Has anybody done an A/B comparison of these mics? I'm looking for opinions
from those who have used both, and especially those who have compared them
side-by-side.

BTW: I'm primarily looking at them for L/R drum overheads (rock kit).

Thanks.


--
http://www.bobsavage.net

Bob Savage wrote:
Has anybody done an A/B comparison of these mics? I'm looking for opinions
from those who have used both, and especially those who have compared them
side-by-side.

Both of them are sufficiently inconsistent that comparisons might not be
very useful unless they are comparing the exact microphones you are looking
at.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
Both of them are sufficiently inconsistent that comparisons might not be
very useful unless they are comparing the exact microphones you are
looking
at.

hahaha, oh man, that's what I was afraid of! Thanks Scott.

--
http://www.bobsavage.net

Scott Dorsey wrote:
Both of them are sufficiently inconsistent that comparisons might not
be
very useful unless they are comparing the exact microphones you are
looking
at.


even the 012's from soundroom ?

Sidhu

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
Both of them are sufficiently inconsistent that comparisons might not be
very useful unless they are comparing the exact microphones you are
looking
at.

And I'm guessing the MXL Marshall 991 is a total pile, considering the
price? Yeah, I'm looking to get out as cheaply as possible, at least for
now, but without dealing with dung for quality.

--
http://www.bobsavage.net

Studio project are VERY bright and can handle very high SPL....
I'd go for the 012 so I could use them for many other things such as
acoustic gtrs...


"Bob Savage" ha scritto nel messaggio
news:ns5ee.1052$eU.44@fed1read07...
Has anybody done an A/B comparison of these mics? I'm looking for
opinions
from those who have used both, and especially those who have compared them
side-by-side.

BTW: I'm primarily looking at them for L/R drum overheads (rock kit).

Thanks.


--
http://www.bobsavage.net

Just out of curiousity Scott, how many C4's have you compared to
conclude that they are "sufficiently inconsistent"?

Brent Casey

Federico wrote:

Studio project are VERY bright and can handle very high SPL....
I'd go for the 012 so I could use them for many other things such as
acoustic gtrs...

The SP 04's I have are not overly bright or sibilant. They sound great on
acoustic guitars here at my studio. I really like them on Classical Guitars
too.


PapaNate

Sidhu wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:
Both of them are sufficiently inconsistent that comparisons might not
be
very useful unless they are comparing the exact microphones you are
looking
at.

even the 012's from soundroom ?

No, the 012s from the Sound Room are pretty consistent.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

wrote:
Just out of curiousity Scott, how many C4's have you compared to
conclude that they are "sufficiently inconsistent"?

I've only looked over a handful of the things, probably around five or six,
so my experience is a lot smaller than the Oktavas. And the inconsistencies
I saw seemed all to be mechanical issues, unlike the Oktavas which have
both mechanical and electronic consistency problems.

People should spend more time going out and listening to mikes. If you
like what it sounds like, buy it. If you don't, go on to the next one.
Time spent listening is never wasted.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
People should spend more time going out and listening to mikes. If you
like what it sounds like, buy it. If you don't, go on to the next one.
Time spent listening is never wasted.

This brings up another question. How do you go about testing a mic in the
store? Even if I brought it home, I don't have a drum kit to test with, and
not being one who's ever spent time listening to and comparing mics, what do
I need to be listening for?

--
http://www.bobsavage.net

Thaks! I own a pair!

Sidhu

Bob Savage wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
Both of them are sufficiently inconsistent that comparisons might
not be
very useful unless they are comparing the exact microphones you are
looking
at.

And I'm guessing the MXL Marshall 991 is a total pile, considering
the
price? Yeah, I'm looking to get out as cheaply as possible, at least
for
now, but without dealing with dung for quality.


One mic that i have seen recomended by very reliable sources (ppl. who
usually bitch bout anything under a thousand USD ;-) chek it out :

http://www.kelaudio.com/hm1.html


Sidhu

"Sidhu" wrote in message
oups.com...

One mic that i have seen recomended by very reliable sources (ppl. who
usually bitch bout anything under a thousand USD ;-) chek it out :

http://www.kelaudio.com/hm1.html

Thanks for the tip.

--
http://www.bobsavage.net

In article km6ee.1054$eU.830@fed1read07 writes:

And I'm guessing the MXL Marshall 991 is a total pile, considering the
price?


I don't have any drums to put it over, but I have a hard time telling
an MXL 991 from a KM84 when they're about 16 inches away from a banjo.
Most of the difference I hear is in the sound of the room.

I was impressed.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
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I don't have any drums to put it over, but I have a hard time telling
an MXL 991 from a KM84 when they're about 16 inches away from a banjo.
Most of the difference I hear is in the sound of the room.

I was impressed.

Interesting, thanks Mike.

Anybody else have an opinion on the MXL 991?

--
http://www.bobsavage.net

Bob Savage wrote:

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...

Both of them are sufficiently inconsistent that comparisons might not be
very useful unless they are comparing the exact microphones you are

looking

at.


And I'm guessing the MXL Marshall 991 is a total pile, considering the
price? Yeah, I'm looking to get out as cheaply as possible, at least for
now, but without dealing with dung for quality.


Check out a pair of Crown CM700's. Sometimes you can pick up a couple
for less than $300 on ebay. Here's a link and good luck.
http://www.wwbw.com/Crown-CM700-Card...ource=dealtime

Jim

--
it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your
mouth and remove all doubt....

U¿ytkownik "Bob Savage" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
news:ns5ee.1052$eU.44@fed1read07...
Has anybody done an A/B comparison of these mics? I'm looking for
opinions
from those who have used both, and especially those who have compared them
side-by-side.

BTW: I'm primarily looking at them for L/R drum overheads (rock kit).


* Well - im recording drums using SP C4, and these are very fine mics. Used
with
ORTF technique on the rock drum kit gives me very decent rock sound. I
think -
without testing it, its very difficult to find the right one. BUT - you cant
go wrong with
a (checked earlier) C4 or 012. I would go with the C4. Used on the accoustic
guitar,
electric, bass and vocals - nice effects.

keep on rockin'

On Wed, 4 May 2005 12:02:24 -0400, Bob Savage wrote
(in article km6ee.1054$eU.830@fed1read07):

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
Both of them are sufficiently inconsistent that comparisons might not be
very useful unless they are comparing the exact microphones you are
looking
at.

And I'm guessing the MXL Marshall 991 is a total pile, considering the
price? Yeah, I'm looking to get out as cheaply as possible, at least for
now, but without dealing with dung for quality.



AT 2020

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

Ty Ford wrote:

On Wed, 4 May 2005 12:02:24 -0400, Bob Savage wrote
(in article km6ee.1054$eU.830@fed1read07):


"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...

Both of them are sufficiently inconsistent that comparisons might not be
very useful unless they are comparing the exact microphones you are

looking

at.

And I'm guessing the MXL Marshall 991 is a total pile, considering the
price? Yeah, I'm looking to get out as cheaply as possible, at least for
now, but without dealing with dung for quality.




AT 2020

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com


Ty have you had a chance to try the AT 2020 on acoustic guitar? I was
thinking that may be a decent mic on acoustic.

Jim



--
it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your
mouth and remove all doubt....

"Ty Ford" wrote in message
...
AT 2020

Ty,

Between the AT 2020 and the MK020, which would you use for overheads if the
price were the same?

--
http://www.bobsavage.net

"hefalump" wrote in message
...


* Well - im recording drums using SP C4, and these are very fine mics.
Used
with
ORTF technique on the rock drum kit gives me very decent rock sound. I
think -
without testing it, its very difficult to find the right one. BUT - you
cant
go wrong with
a (checked earlier) C4 or 012. I would go with the C4. Used on the
accoustic
guitar,
electric, bass and vocals - nice effects.

keep on rockin'


I agree 100%.

My C4's get used all the time (I don't know how inconsistent they are in
comparison to other C4's, but my pair seem nicely matched.)

They arent scratchy or edgy, the sound is full and detailed, and I use them
on acoustic instruments, overheads, and have even recorded vocals with them.

I love them on Drums as overheads. (The DW kit here sounds awesome with just
2 C4s' and a kick mic -usually my Audix D6.)

I reckon they are pretty darn good value, and a good place to start.

Good luck!!!

Geoff

On Wed, 4 May 2005 22:09:18 -0400, LJM wrote
(in article . net):
Ty have you had a chance to try the AT 2020 on acoustic guitar? I was
thinking that may be a decent mic on acoustic.

Jim

Hi Jim,

I have. the capsule is .66 inches, and the tone mildly aggressive. I wouldn't
go to it for a pure sound, but for something with a little bite......

I keep thinking, "If I had $99 to blow would it be on an SM58 or an AT 2020?"
For me the latter, unless I was road dogging.

Regards,

Ty





-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

On Thu, 5 May 2005 00:51:14 -0400, Geoff Duncan wrote
(in article ):


"hefalump" wrote in message
...


* Well - im recording drums using SP C4, and these are very fine mics.
Used
with
ORTF technique on the rock drum kit gives me very decent rock sound. I
think -
without testing it, its very difficult to find the right one. BUT - you
cant
go wrong with
a (checked earlier) C4 or 012. I would go with the C4. Used on the
accoustic
guitar,
electric, bass and vocals - nice effects.

keep on rockin'


I agree 100%.

My C4's get used all the time (I don't know how inconsistent they are in
comparison to other C4's, but my pair seem nicely matched.)

They arent scratchy or edgy, the sound is full and detailed, and I use them
on acoustic instruments, overheads, and have even recorded vocals with them.

I love them on Drums as overheads. (The DW kit here sounds awesome with just
2 C4s' and a kick mic -usually my Audix D6.)

I reckon they are pretty darn good value, and a good place to start.

Good luck!!!

Geoff



Then there's Rode Nt4 or a pair of NT5.

Ty Ford


-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

Bob Savage wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
People should spend more time going out and listening to mikes. If you
like what it sounds like, buy it. If you don't, go on to the next one.
Time spent listening is never wasted.

This brings up another question. How do you go about testing a mic in the
store? Even if I brought it home, I don't have a drum kit to test with, and
not being one who's ever spent time listening to and comparing mics, what do
I need to be listening for?

Well, in a perfect world, you can put mikes up on a drum kit in the store,
record them, and take the tape home to listen to.

In an imperfect world, you can at least jingle your keys into the mikes
and listen to whether they sound smeary or not.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...

In an imperfect world, you can at least jingle your keys into the mikes
and listen to whether they sound smeary or not.

That makes sense, thanks again for the input, Scott.

--
http://www.bobsavage.net

I have recently been listening to some SP C4 vs Rode NT4 comparison
recordings of a brass band. A/Bing the recordings, I have found that the SP
C4's have the wow factor, not becuase they are overly bright, but because
you can hear "everything". There is a clarity and detail from the C4's that
just adds dimention to the recording and puts you right at the scene. Also,
the omni caps on the C4's sound spectacular - open, flat, excellent
transient response, good low end extension for a spall diaphragm, etc.

I have a pair of Rode NT5's (same capsual as the NT4). My next purchase is
going to have to be the SP C4's. I thought the hype surrounding these mics
was just the usual enthusiest excitement about the latest cheap toy, but
these things really do shine.

Bill Ruys.

"Ty Ford" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 5 May 2005 00:51:14 -0400, Geoff Duncan wrote
(in article ):


"hefalump" wrote in message
...


* Well - im recording drums using SP C4, and these are very fine mics.
Used
with
ORTF technique on the rock drum kit gives me very decent rock sound. I
think -
without testing it, its very difficult to find the right one. BUT - you
cant
go wrong with
a (checked earlier) C4 or 012. I would go with the C4. Used on the
accoustic
guitar,
electric, bass and vocals - nice effects.

keep on rockin'


I agree 100%.

My C4's get used all the time (I don't know how inconsistent they are in
comparison to other C4's, but my pair seem nicely matched.)

They arent scratchy or edgy, the sound is full and detailed, and I use
them
on acoustic instruments, overheads, and have even recorded vocals with
them.

I love them on Drums as overheads. (The DW kit here sounds awesome with
just
2 C4s' and a kick mic -usually my Audix D6.)

I reckon they are pretty darn good value, and a good place to start.

Good luck!!!

Geoff



Then there's Rode Nt4 or a pair of NT5.

Ty Ford


-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other
audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

"Bill Ruys" writes:

I have recently been listening to some SP C4 vs Rode NT4 comparison
recordings of a brass band. A/Bing the recordings, I have found that the SP
C4's have the wow factor, not becuase they are overly bright, but because
you can hear "everything". There is a clarity and detail from the C4's that
just adds dimention to the recording and puts you right at the scene. Also,
the omni caps on the C4's sound spectacular - open, flat, excellent
transient response, good low end extension for a spall diaphragm, etc.

I have a pair of Rode NT5's (same capsual as the NT4). My next purchase is
going to have to be the SP C4's. I thought the hype surrounding these mics
was just the usual enthusiest excitement about the latest cheap toy, but
these things really do shine.

Bill Ruys.

"Ty Ford" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 5 May 2005 00:51:14 -0400, Geoff Duncan wrote
(in article ):


"hefalump" wrote in message
...


* Well - im recording drums using SP C4, and these are very fine mics.
Used
with
ORTF technique on the rock drum kit gives me very decent rock sound. I
think -
without testing it, its very difficult to find the right one. BUT - you
cant
go wrong with
a (checked earlier) C4 or 012. I would go with the C4. Used on the
accoustic
guitar,
electric, bass and vocals - nice effects.

keep on rockin'


I agree 100%.

My C4's get used all the time (I don't know how inconsistent they are in
comparison to other C4's, but my pair seem nicely matched.)

They arent scratchy or edgy, the sound is full and detailed, and I use
them
on acoustic instruments, overheads, and have even recorded vocals with
them.

I love them on Drums as overheads. (The DW kit here sounds awesome with
just
2 C4s' and a kick mic -usually my Audix D6.)

I reckon they are pretty darn good value, and a good place to start.

Good luck!!!

Geoff



Then there's Rode Nt4 or a pair of NT5.

Ty Ford


-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other
audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com


Thanks for the info.

Does anyone have an opinion of the AKG 391/2/3 vs the C4s? My application is
location recording (folk/rock music). I'm considering the C4s as well, but
the AKG are supposed to be good too.

Thanks,
Richard

On Thu, 5 May 2005 18:17:11 -0400, Bill Ruys wrote
(in article ):

I have recently been listening to some SP C4 vs Rode NT4 comparison
recordings of a brass band. A/Bing the recordings, I have found that the SP
C4's have the wow factor, not becuase they are overly bright, but because
you can hear "everything". There is a clarity and detail from the C4's that
just adds dimention to the recording and puts you right at the scene. Also,
the omni caps on the C4's sound spectacular - open, flat, excellent
transient response, good low end extension for a spall diaphragm, etc.

I have a pair of Rode NT5's (same capsual as the NT4). My next purchase is
going to have to be the SP C4's. I thought the hype surrounding these mics
was just the usual enthusiest excitement about the latest cheap toy, but
these things really do shine.

Bill Ruys.

Well if you really want a "wow factor" omni, get a gefell m296. You can use
the C4 as a door prop.

Regards,

Ty Ford


-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

wrote:

Does anyone have an opinion of the AKG 391/2/3 vs the C4s? My application is
location recording (folk/rock music). I'm considering the C4s as well, but
the AKG are supposed to be good too.

I prefer the C4's. IMO they have an open sound with a smooth top end response with
the Omni capsule on them. And if you attenuate the bass they sound great down to
80Hz or so..perhaps a bit accentuated...but they sound great.

And IMO the AKG 391's are way too bright for my purposes.

A matched pair of C4's is only $300 or so these days. The AKG's are around $500
each with some extra cost attached to get a matched pair. If you have the budget
for both, then I would rent or borrow a pair of each and try them out to see what
*you* think.

PapaNate

Hey Ty, I ran across some of your reviews while wrapping catfish the
other night.

Brent Casey
PMI Audio Group (Studio Projects)
877-563-6335

wrote in message
ups.com...
Hey Ty, I ran across some of your reviews while wrapping catfish the
other night.

Brent Casey
PMI Audio Group (Studio Projects)
877-563-6335



Hm, a company rep responds to negative feedback from a user with
insults. How will said rep respond if I have concerns about a product I
buy from that company?

Hm again, I've tried a bunch of microphones, read Ty's reviews of those
mics, and found his observations to be fairly consistent with my own.
That leads me to think that his perceptions of these mics may be similar
to what I would have heard if I had spent much time listening to them.
A rep for the company that "makes" the mic about which Ty has commented
responds with an insult. Ipso facto, he insults me too, without even
knowing it.

Hm yet again, a rep for a company that makes mics comes onto a pro audio
newsgroup and hurls insults where anyone in its target demographic can
read them. What does that tell me about that person's judgement? If
that person has poor judgement, and that person is responsible for that
product, what does that suggest about the product?

Not that I'm drawing any definitive conclusions or insinuating anything,
it just makes me wonder, that's all.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

Mr. Schultz, just so you know, I wasn't really wrapping catfish the
other night with Ty's reviews and didn't post that with any malice - I
tend not to use the little smileys. I've been taking breaks from my
bench work throughout the afternoon, awaiting Ty's reply, which I
figured would be a zinger.
As far as I know, Ty hasn't heard the C4's. I would think that I'd have
gotten an earful by now about how the mics fared on his Martin, etc.
I'm sorry to have insulted you.

Sincerely,

Brent Casey
PMI Audio Group
877-563-6335

Hey Ty, have you taken a listen to these mics? If you've previously been
put off by the distorted high end of the C1, don't be put off. The C4 is a
different animal, and in a differenct class IMO.

Bill.

"Ty Ford" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 5 May 2005 18:17:11 -0400, Bill Ruys wrote
(in article ):

I have recently been listening to some SP C4 vs Rode NT4 comparison
recordings of a brass band. A/Bing the recordings, I have found that the
SP
C4's have the wow factor, not becuase they are overly bright, but because
you can hear "everything". There is a clarity and detail from the C4's
that
just adds dimention to the recording and puts you right at the scene.
Also,
the omni caps on the C4's sound spectacular - open, flat, excellent
transient response, good low end extension for a spall diaphragm, etc.

I have a pair of Rode NT5's (same capsual as the NT4). My next purchase
is
going to have to be the SP C4's. I thought the hype surrounding these
mics
was just the usual enthusiest excitement about the latest cheap toy, but
these things really do shine.

Bill Ruys.

Well if you really want a "wow factor" omni, get a gefell m296. You can
use
the C4 as a door prop.

Regards,

Ty Ford


-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other
audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

Bill Ruys wrote:

If you've previously been
put off by the distorted high end of the C1, don't be put off.

I think you may have a bad mic or a mismatch on your mic pre if you hear the top
end of the C1 distorting.

PapaNate

It was actually a number of posts from Ty himself over the years that
mentioned that the high-end of the C1 was distorted. Just do a google group
search on "c1" and "ty".

Bill.

"Papanate" wrote in message
...
Bill Ruys wrote:

If you've previously been
put off by the distorted high end of the C1, don't be put off.

I think you may have a bad mic or a mismatch on your mic pre if you hear
the top
end of the C1 distorting.

PapaNate

In article .com,
wrote:

Mr. Schultz, just so you know, I wasn't really wrapping catfish the
other night with Ty's reviews and didn't post that with any malice - I
tend not to use the little smileys. I've been taking breaks from my
bench work throughout the afternoon, awaiting Ty's reply, which I
figured would be a zinger.
As far as I know, Ty hasn't heard the C4's. I would think that I'd have
gotten an earful by now about how the mics fared on his Martin, etc.
I'm sorry to have insulted you.

Sincerely,

Brent Casey
PMI Audio Group
877-563-6335



I'm glad you were called on it. Obviously, you the person you were
insulting was Ty. Not that there's anything wrong with an good insult
between friends.

I needle Ty myself. But he knows where I'm coming from. Perhaps he
knows where you're coming from too.

To the rest of us, it read as a fish slap to da face.




David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island


www.CelebrationSound.com

wrote:

Mr. Schultz,

"Mr. Schultz" is my father. Feel free to just refer to me the same way
everyone else does: "Hey ****head!"



didn't post that with any malice

Oh. It looked like you were taking a shot at Ty for sometimes being
somewhat less than "delicate" when sharing his impressions.



I'm sorry to have insulted you.

That part was kinda theoretical. To have been genuinely insulted I
would have to give a **** what you think! g

Just kidding... kidding... put down the catfish filleting knife!

My actual reaction wasn't so much "bent outta shape" as "raised an
eyebrow." If, in fact, you were not being defensive and abusive to Ty,
I apologize for overreacting.

On the other hand, if you WERE being a big meanie and you did that on
purpose, I'm telling your mom.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

On Sat, 7 May 2005 07:37:40 -0400, Bill Ruys wrote
(in article ):

It was actually a number of posts from Ty himself over the years that
mentioned that the high-end of the C1 was distorted. Just do a google group
search on "c1" and "ty".

Bill.

"Papanate" wrote in message
...
Bill Ruys wrote:

If you've previously been
put off by the distorted high end of the C1, don't be put off.

I think you may have a bad mic or a mismatch on your mic pre if you hear
the top
end of the C1 distorting.

PapaNate

Gentlemen (and Ladies),

Let's make it real simple. Send me a C4 and I'll try to get a m296 back here
to do a real comparison.

Of the C1, C3, T3 mics sent me some years back. The C1 appealed to me more.
All were slightly edgy and more noisy than I like. I spoke about it to the
folks at SP back then.

Mr. Casey and I have spoken on several occasions. It was he who suggested
that his company was putting pressure on the Chinese to manufacture mics
without these flaws and I wished him good luck. I also urged him to continue
hammering the Chinese for the benefit of us all.

I greatly appreciate the attentions drawn to Mr. Casey's comment. He has
stepped over the line before and has apologized. I took it openly and write
his comments off to him having a bad day and seeing my post didn't help.

Having said that, the (more expensie) m296 Gefell omni may be the most
stunning omni I have heard in an end address. Through my GML preamps, I was
not prepared for the purity of this mic.

There is no review of the m296 on my site, either because I couldn't get a
commission to write it, or by accident. I'll have to look into it.
Regardless, for those of you who have found the Schoeps cmc641 as "right
sounding" as I have, the M296 will not disappoint.

Regards,

Ty Ford





-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

Never would I try to suggest that the C4 would come close to the sound of
the Gefell. To be honest, a mic like that I will probably never lay eyes
nor ears on.

But just like you have found a little budget gem with the AT2020, the C4
pair is in the "increadible bang for buck" catagory. I believe the C4s puch
well above their weight.

To be dead honest Ty, I am comparing the C4s with mics in similar price
regions like the NT4, NT5, etc. To me the C4 is a league above mics in that
range. So to my somewhat uneducated ears they have a "wow factor" that my
other SUB $1000.00 mics don't. Hopefully that puts my comments into
perspective.

Bill Ruys.

"Ty Ford" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 7 May 2005 07:37:40 -0400, Bill Ruys wrote
(in article ):

It was actually a number of posts from Ty himself over the years that
mentioned that the high-end of the C1 was distorted. Just do a google
group
search on "c1" and "ty".

Bill.

"Papanate" wrote in message
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Bill Ruys wrote:

If you've previously been
put off by the distorted high end of the C1, don't be put off.

I think you may have a bad mic or a mismatch on your mic pre if you hear
the top
end of the C1 distorting.

PapaNate

Gentlemen (and Ladies),

Let's make it real simple. Send me a C4 and I'll try to get a m296 back
here
to do a real comparison.

Of the C1, C3, T3 mics sent me some years back. The C1 appealed to me
more.
All were slightly edgy and more noisy than I like. I spoke about it to the
folks at SP back then.

Mr. Casey and I have spoken on several occasions. It was he who suggested
that his company was putting pressure on the Chinese to manufacture mics
without these flaws and I wished him good luck. I also urged him to
continue
hammering the Chinese for the benefit of us all.

I greatly appreciate the attentions drawn to Mr. Casey's comment. He has
stepped over the line before and has apologized. I took it openly and
write
his comments off to him having a bad day and seeing my post didn't help.

Having said that, the (more expensie) m296 Gefell omni may be the most
stunning omni I have heard in an end address. Through my GML preamps, I
was
not prepared for the purity of this mic.

There is no review of the m296 on my site, either because I couldn't get a
commission to write it, or by accident. I'll have to look into it.
Regardless, for those of you who have found the Schoeps cmc641 as "right
sounding" as I have, the M296 will not disappoint.

Regards,

Ty Ford





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