OK, my point of view is that glory days of RAT started with ZM's
appearing,but I also allow you to have another opinion.
so ,if you are interested in so called social aspect of RAT life ,you may
type your reasons for hangin' here :

1. technical reasons - clarify .......
2.social reasons - clarify.....
3. some other reason - clarify...


ps. some of us will hate if I mention dialectic nature of nature,but me
thinks that even RAT must "live " under same laws as other part of
universe.
technical is just way of looking at life and electronic and.......
ask any virtuoso on any musical instrument is it technical part of his
recreation of music important;
ZM sez-Conditio sine qua non .
no less ,no more.
mebbe we all know enough basic stuff ,mebbe is time for black (or whatever
color you wish ) art.

yours truly

--
.................................................. ........................
Choky
Prodanovic Aleksandar
YU

"don't use force, "don't use force,
use a larger hammer" use a larger tube
- Choky and IST"
- ZM
.................................................. ...........................
...

"Choky" wrote in message ...
: ZM sez-Conditio sine qua non .
: no less ,no more.

: mebbe we all know enough basic stuff ,mebbe is time for black (or whatever
: color you wish ) art.

yeah. i want my 12ax7's in a 'glowing bed' treaded by undisturbed
chanting Tibetan Monks. No yuan-paymnts pls.! these will sound decidedly
more ethereal..~~..
)
Ruky
:
: yours truly
:
: --
: .................................................. .......................
: Choky
: Prodanovic Aleksandar
: YU
:
: "don't use force, "don't use force,
: use a larger hammer" use a larger tube
: - Choky and IST"
: - ZM
:
.................................................. ...........................
: ..
:
:

Been a lot of trolls lately, but a lot of cool people hang around here, I
think....

-JamesG



"Choky" wrote in message ...
OK, my point of view is that glory days of RAT started with ZM's
appearing,but I also allow you to have another opinion.
so ,if you are interested in so called social aspect of RAT life ,you may
type your reasons for hangin' here :

1. technical reasons - clarify .......
2.social reasons - clarify.....
3. some other reason - clarify...


ps. some of us will hate if I mention dialectic nature of nature,but me
thinks that even RAT must "live " under same laws as other part of
universe.
technical is just way of looking at life and electronic and.......
ask any virtuoso on any musical instrument is it technical part of his
recreation of music important;
ZM sez-Conditio sine qua non .
no less ,no more.
mebbe we all know enough basic stuff ,mebbe is time for black (or whatever
color you wish ) art.

yours truly

--
.................................................. .......................
Choky
Prodanovic Aleksandar
YU

"don't use force, "don't use force,
use a larger hammer" use a larger tube
- Choky and IST"
- ZM

.................................................. ...........................
..

Behold, Choky signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

1. technical reasons - clarify

I learn something new everyday


2.social reasons - clarify

All the regulars are good folk and our brand of humor is definately
unique.


3. some other reason - clarify

Watching the trolls back themselves into a corner, then self-destruct is
always amusing.


--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

Choky wrote:

OK, my point of view is that glory days of RAT started with ZM's
appearing,but I also allow you to have another opinion.

Hehe. Well, I suppose it depends on how you define "glory". I'm reminded
of a Carly Simon song, "*These* are the good old days." There might come
a time when people will reminisce about 2003 as being the best of times
(or possibly the worst of times, since glory almost always involves guts...)

so ,if you are interested in so called social aspect of RAT life ,you may
type your reasons for hangin' here :

1. technical reasons - clarify .......

Learn new things, get new viewpoints (even ones that I'd previously
thought of as "snake oil" at least get another look). Like to contribute
whatever I can, and thereby (hopefully) give something back.

2.social reasons - clarify.....

With very few exceptions, everyone here is highly opinionated, yet
respectful of contrary opinions. Most RATs have a certain eccentricity
that's endearing to me because I happen to share it.

3. some other reason - clarify...

Some of the side-trips we take are quite interesting also, such as
transformers, vinyl, computers, and cats. The political crap I can do
without. Same with religion and spirituality, thankfully we haven't had
to deal with much of that.

ps. some of us will hate if I mention dialectic nature of nature,but me
thinks that even RAT must "live " under same laws as other part of
universe.
technical is just way of looking at life and electronic and.......
ask any virtuoso on any musical instrument is it technical part of his
recreation of music important;
ZM sez-Conditio sine qua non .
no less ,no more.
mebbe we all know enough basic stuff ,mebbe is time for black (or whatever
color you wish ) art.

Yes, I think we have a good balance of science and art, mathematics and
magic. I personally like it, Others will disagree, and at least some of
us seem to miss the days when everything was completely technical,
cut-and-dried, the numbers don't lie kind of stuff. But it's interesting
that some of RAT's bloodiest battles were fought - not as "science vs.
art" or "facts vs. snake-oil", but amongst factions within the technical
community itself. So perhaps if a natural opposite doesn't existor is
suppressed, one will be artificially created to fill the void.

Maybe Hegel would agree, or maybe not. In either case, it's unlikely
that I'd understand his answer. ;-)

Cheers,
Fred
--
+--------------------------------------------+
| Music: http://www3.telus.net/dogstarmusic/ |
| Projects: http://dogstar.dantimax.dk |
+--------------------------------------------+

Ruud Broens wrote:


yeah. i want my 12ax7's in a 'glowing bed' treaded by undisturbed
chanting Tibetan Monks. No yuan-paymnts pls.! these will sound decidedly
more ethereal..~~..
)
Ruky


Seriously, I have helped a friend cast "sacred swords" and other
sacred items for a temple locally. This was done using sacred bronze ingots
that the priest informed us had been prayed over by Tibetan monks and
purified for six years or so. Women were not allowed in the building or
to touch the bronze ingots, patterns or moulds as this would "reset" or
"discharge" the sacredness.

The castings were done with much chanting and burning of candles
and turned out fine in spite of some doubts about the original patterns.
They rode back to the temple in the front seat of the car while this guys
wife?/concubine?/maid? rode in the back seat.

All in all a very interesting experience.

Mark Harriss

Mark Harriss wrote:

Ruud Broens wrote:

yeah. i want my 12ax7's in a 'glowing bed' treaded by undisturbed
chanting Tibetan Monks. No yuan-paymnts pls.! these will sound decidedly
more ethereal..~~..
)
Ruky

Seriously, I have helped a friend cast "sacred swords" and other
sacred items for a temple locally. This was done using sacred bronze ingots
that the priest informed us had been prayed over by Tibetan monks and
purified for six years or so. Women were not allowed in the building or
to touch the bronze ingots, patterns or moulds as this would "reset" or
"discharge" the sacredness.

As much as I admire Tibetans, I could never agree that the mothers of all of
us,
and shielas of this earth are less than sacred.........

I would find it very difficult to help anyone anytime if I knew
they valued women less than men.



The castings were done with much chanting and burning of candles
and turned out fine in spite of some doubts about the original patterns.
They rode back to the temple in the front seat of the car while this guys
wife?/concubine?/maid? rode in the back seat.

Sounds like a mysoginists convention to me.
I guess that's a hard thing to say, but where ppl place bloomin bits of
metal and male only incantations ahead of their women, I have grave concerns.

What would be wrong with the woman driving the car,
and the bloke in the back seat, for 50% of the time at least?

The bits of metal would then be imbued with both male AND
female spiritual power.

But I guess you can't really have monastaries with both women and men
all in together, since no-one could keep their minds on
God and prayer, since a man 's blood supply can't be in two places at the same
time.


All in all a very interesting experience.

Yeah, and I have found every westener I've known who has become
a buddhist to be somewhat selfish,
since it seems to me their conciousness revolves around self realizations,
and enlightenment, rather than active charities towards others.

Apart from that, I would not mind if there were more
Tibetans around, and more buddhists, since they seem more
peacefully minded over all. If only the bloomin chinese would wake up,
and leave Tibet alone, and recognise the Dalai Lama,
we could have so much more respect for china, and we wouldn't feel so guilty
buying tube amps from china, and propping up the "chinese way" of doing things.

I don't mind NOS Australian tubes, over which sacred incantations
like "We are gonna have a meat pie tonight for dinner....,"
were heard amoungst the women making the tubes.......

Patrick Turner.




Mark Harriss

Hi RATs!

This is the day, my friend, Carport Dime!

Wars and whores are not our finest hour, but, sadly, common.

Opinions about stuff seem pretty important and useful, until you relax your
brain and think about life, the universe and everything. Then, opinions seem
like mind circles that my mental hamster runs in to keep busy.

Sigh.

On a happier note: I reduced the input cap, between volume pot and grid
stopper, from 0.5 uF to 0.05uF. Wow! OK, bigger is not always better

Happy Ears!
Al


Alan J. Marcy
Phoenix, AZ

PWC/mystic/Earhead

TubeGarden wrote:
Hi RATs!

This is the day, my friend, Carport Dime!

Wars and whores are not our finest hour, but, sadly, common.

Wars we can do without. Whores probably not.

Opinions about stuff seem pretty important and useful, until you relax your
brain and think about life, the universe and everything. Then, opinions seem
like mind circles that my mental hamster runs in to keep busy.

LOL! Good one.

Sigh.

On a happier note: I reduced the input cap, between volume pot and grid
stopper, from 0.5 uF to 0.05uF. Wow! OK, bigger is not always better

Oh, man, you *gotta* tell that to the dick-pill merchants that try to
overload my spam filter every day!

Cheers,
Fred
--
+--------------------------------------------+
| Music: http://www3.telus.net/dogstarmusic/ |
| Projects, Vacuum Tubes & other stuff: |
| http://www.dogstar.dantimax.dk |
+--------------------------------------------+

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...
:
:
: Mark Harriss wrote:
:
: Ruud Broens wrote:
:
: yeah. i want my 12ax7's in a 'glowing bed' treaded by undisturbed
: chanting Tibetan Monks. No yuan-paymnts pls.! these will sound
decidedly
: more ethereal..~~..
: )
: Ruky
:
: Seriously, I have helped a friend cast "sacred swords" and other
: sacred items for a temple locally. This was done using sacred bronze
ingots
: that the priest informed us had been prayed over by Tibetan monks and
: purified for six years or so. Women were not allowed in the building or
: to touch the bronze ingots, patterns or moulds as this would "reset" or
: "discharge" the sacredness.
:
: As much as I admire Tibetans, I could never agree that the mothers of all
of
: us,
: and shielas of this earth are less than sacred.........
:
: I would find it very difficult to help anyone anytime if I knew
: they valued women less than men.
:
:
:
: The castings were done with much chanting and burning of candles
: and turned out fine in spite of some doubts about the original patterns.
: They rode back to the temple in the front seat of the car while this
guys
: wife?/concubine?/maid? rode in the back seat.
:
: Sounds like a mysoginists convention to me.
: I guess that's a hard thing to say, but where ppl place bloomin bits of
: metal and male only incantations ahead of their women, I have grave
concerns.
:
: What would be wrong with the woman driving the car,
: and the bloke in the back seat, for 50% of the time at least?
:
: The bits of metal would then be imbued with both male AND
: female spiritual power.
:
: But I guess you can't really have monastaries with both women and men
: all in together, since no-one could keep their minds on
: God and prayer, since a man 's blood supply can't be in two places at the
same
: time.
:
:
: All in all a very interesting experience.
:
: Yeah, and I have found every westener I've known who has become
: a buddhist to be somewhat selfish,
: since it seems to me their conciousness revolves around self realizations,
: and enlightenment, rather than active charities towards others.
:
: Apart from that, I would not mind if there were more
: Tibetans around, and more buddhists, since they seem more
: peacefully minded over all. If only the bloomin chinese would wake up,
: and leave Tibet alone, and recognise the Dalai Lama,
: we could have so much more respect for china, and we wouldn't feel so
guilty
: buying tube amps from china, and propping up the "chinese way" of doing
things.

For sure. I guess every superpower (wannabee) has to go through the process
of rattlings the swords and showing military might, rather ignorant of the
fact that
the real power is, for some time now, with the economic grip on the world
(or lack thereof).
But I guess it will be more of the same, with spending well over a Billion
dollar on 'defence'
globally each day. At the same time burning NG & oil at an alarming rate for
fuel. Hopefully
some of those billions will get diverted to research in new energy source
development and
saving oil for the much better uses it has (like making medicins, plastics,
etc.). Well enough OT
hotchpotch for today.
Rudy
:
: I don't mind NOS Australian tubes, over which sacred incantations
: like "We are gonna have a meat pie tonight for dinner....,"
: were heard amoungst the women making the tubes.......
:
: Patrick Turner.
:
:
: Mark Harriss
:

Oh, man, you *gotta* tell that to the dick-pill merchants that try to
overload my spam filter every day!

If you take all that dick-pills and fat-burners there comes a day you
can hide behind your own manhood after using all that viagra ;-))

"Choky" wrote in message ...
OK, my point of view is that glory days of RAT started with ZM's
appearing,but I also allow you to have another opinion.
so ,if you are interested in so called social aspect of RAT life ,you may
type your reasons for hangin' here :




I hang here, to learn things from people who know far more than I do End
of story .....
regards
jim

"Fred Nachbaur" wrote in message
news:CM6nb.38895$EO3.33728@clgrps13...

On a happier note: I reduced the input cap, between volume pot and grid
stopper, from 0.5 uF to 0.05uF. Wow! OK, bigger is not always better

Oh, man, you *gotta* tell that to the dick-pill merchants that try to
overload my spam filter every day!

Cheers,
Fred

Wow, is everybody getting inundated with that stuff?
Somehow I thought they'd singled me out. : )

Doak

"Doak Wattigney" wrote in message
news:_Ucnb.985$Re.675@lakeread06...
Wow, is everybody getting inundated with that stuff?
Somehow I thought they'd singled me out. : )

Right now general spam is pretty low but they still want me to upgrade
my Windows to like v114.568.469.583.2pi...

Tim

Fred Nachbaur wrote in message news
Maybe Hegel would agree, or maybe not. In either case, it's unlikely
that I'd understand his answer. ;-)

Come now, surely you would.

The process of breaking up is called "diremption" AFAIK. The best part
of breaking up is when you make it up. The US is an extraordinarily
successful example of the principle. Note that the break-up of
Yugoslavia and the weakening of centralised power in the UK is in the
context of the emergence of a larger and more coherent power bloc in
Europe. Would be the same in Arabia if we let it.

Anyway, if residents here spent half their time arguing amongst
themselves, and the other half defending each other against external
threats, that would be fairly typical of how social groups seem to
work.

cheers, Ian

Patrick Turner wrote:


As much as I admire Tibetans, I could never agree that the mothers of all
of us,
and shielas of this earth are less than sacred.........


Sounds like a mysoginists convention to me.
I guess that's a hard thing to say, but where ppl place bloomin bits of
metal and male only incantations ahead of their women, I have grave
concerns.

Yeah there's no doubt he was a misogynist little sod but
if the customer's specification called for rubber gloves on the head
while chanting "Bwuuuk BUK BUK buk" then thats what it calls for.

Although no casting in the nude would be considered due to
metal splattering...OUCH!!!

Mark Harriss wrote:

Patrick Turner wrote:


As much as I admire Tibetans, I could never agree that the mothers of all
of us,
and shielas of this earth are less than sacred.........


Sounds like a mysoginists convention to me.
I guess that's a hard thing to say, but where ppl place bloomin bits of
metal and male only incantations ahead of their women, I have grave
concerns.

Yeah there's no doubt he was a misogynist little sod but
if the customer's specification called for rubber gloves on the head
while chanting "Bwuuuk BUK BUK buk" then thats what it calls for.

Although no casting in the nude would be considered due to
metal splattering...OUCH!!!

Religions.
Some give a +4 for some item of human behaviour,
and another might give a -3, and yet another a -1,
so when you add up what all of them say about how life must be led,
you get a zero!

I don't have to try hard to keep out of churches, synagogues, mosques,
whatever, it just comes naturally.
I have been seen in movie theatres, and banks, and cafes,
and when young, pubs!

How many wars were caused by pub patrons, compared to
religious followers?

Patrick Turner.

Hi RATs!

War mongers, pub patrons, and religious people are all us.

We be amazing bunch

Happy Ears!
Al


Alan J. Marcy
Phoenix, AZ

PWC/mystic/Earhead

TubeGarden wrote:

Hi RATs!

War mongers, pub patrons, and religious people are all us.

We be amazing bunch

Yup. "We have met the enemy and he is us."
http://www.igopogo.com/we_have_met.htm

Even the nasty, mean-spirited usenet trolls have something to teach us
about The Enemy Within (cf. Rush, "Grace Under Pressure"). Their often
vicious and inappropriate attacks resonate with those same base
instincts within us, and we respond with the same dynamic in a knee-jerk
reaction. That's in fact what they count on.

But if we recognize and acknowledge our resonance with debasement, we
gain some control over it. And thereby, over them.

Cheers,
Fred
--
+--------------------------------------------+
| Music: http://www3.telus.net/dogstarmusic/ |
| Projects: http://dogstar.dantimax.dk |
+--------------------------------------------+

I agree RAT must live. Then why in heaven's name do you answer trolls?
Answering a troll (which are in every segment of society) is the first step
in breaking up a NG. Remember, when you answer a troll, you give him what he
desperately needs, bringing yourself down to his standards and you hurt the
rest of us RATs. Just my $.02, sorry for the vent.
Cordially,
west

"Choky" wrote in message ...
OK, my point of view is that glory days of RAT started with ZM's
appearing,but I also allow you to have another opinion.
so ,if you are interested in so called social aspect of RAT life ,you may
type your reasons for hangin' here :

1. technical reasons - clarify .......
2.social reasons - clarify.....
3. some other reason - clarify...


ps. some of us will hate if I mention dialectic nature of nature,but me
thinks that even RAT must "live " under same laws as other part of
universe.
technical is just way of looking at life and electronic and.......
ask any virtuoso on any musical instrument is it technical part of his
recreation of music important;
ZM sez-Conditio sine qua non .
no less ,no more.
mebbe we all know enough basic stuff ,mebbe is time for black (or whatever
color you wish ) art.

yours truly

--
.................................................. .......................
Choky
Prodanovic Aleksandar
YU

"don't use force, "don't use force,
use a larger hammer" use a larger tube
- Choky and IST"
- ZM

.................................................. ...........................
..

Fred Nachbaur wrote:

TubeGarden wrote:

Hi RATs!

War mongers, pub patrons, and religious people are all us.

We be amazing bunch

Yup. "We have met the enemy and he is us."
http://www.igopogo.com/we_have_met.htm

Even the nasty, mean-spirited usenet trolls have something to teach us
about The Enemy Within (cf. Rush, "Grace Under Pressure"). Their often
vicious and inappropriate attacks resonate with those same base
instincts within us, and we respond with the same dynamic in a knee-jerk
reaction. That's in fact what they count on.

But if we recognize and acknowledge our resonance with debasement, we
gain some control over it. And thereby, over them.

Cheers,
Fred

Sometimes anger, which is said to be one of the seven vices,
is a force which either causes chaos and mayhem,
or one that when controlled, which is the hard part, achieves so much
which is virtuous.

Patrick Turner.


--
+--------------------------------------------+
| Music: http://www3.telus.net/dogstarmusic/ |
| Projects: http://dogstar.dantimax.dk |
+--------------------------------------------+

west wrote:

I agree RAT must live. Then why in heaven's name do you answer trolls?
Answering a troll (which are in every segment of society) is the first step
in breaking up a NG. Remember, when you answer a troll, you give him what he
desperately needs, bringing yourself down to his standards and you hurt the
rest of us RATs. Just my $.02, sorry for the vent.
Cordially,
west

Agreed, but one has to decide who is a troll, and
that isn't always easy. But I reckon that Anonymous fella is just such a
critter;
why he just tried to say I ran r.a.t as an exclusive club of my own.
What a lot of baloney! The trouble with trolls is they want admittance here,
while they spit in your face asking for it.
The acceptance would be met with high impedance,
and high wattage resistance.

Patrick Turner.





"Choky" wrote in message ...
OK, my point of view is that glory days of RAT started with ZM's
appearing,but I also allow you to have another opinion.
so ,if you are interested in so called social aspect of RAT life ,you may
type your reasons for hangin' here :

1. technical reasons - clarify .......
2.social reasons - clarify.....
3. some other reason - clarify...


ps. some of us will hate if I mention dialectic nature of nature,but me
thinks that even RAT must "live " under same laws as other part of
universe.
technical is just way of looking at life and electronic and.......
ask any virtuoso on any musical instrument is it technical part of his
recreation of music important;
ZM sez-Conditio sine qua non .
no less ,no more.
mebbe we all know enough basic stuff ,mebbe is time for black (or whatever
color you wish ) art.

yours truly

--
.................................................. .......................
Choky
Prodanovic Aleksandar
YU

"don't use force, "don't use force,
use a larger hammer" use a larger tube
- Choky and IST"
- ZM

.................................................. ..........................
..