Mr Dubya issa here in town,
and I can tell by the sound of jets and choppers, even at 10pm.

I have set a spare place at the table for his supper,
being kangaroo tail soup, damper, and some good Oz vino.
His address to our parliament will probably not contain too many
embarrassing surprises, since the real discussions about terrorists,
oil, and global monopolisation and GM crops, will be behind closed
doors.
While he and I discuss all these distracting matters around the pool
tomorrow,
the other VIP due, is the chinese leader, but he don't have such a big
and fast aeroplane,
accompanied by so many F16s, although his country has so many more
people.
Goodness me, any darn thing is likely to be agreed on if these two
dudes can agree on trades issues, (whilst never mentioning Tibet!).
I have some nice little amps with a dozen 212 per channel,
just for the occasion, cos your president likes big and powerful
things, and so we can ease the tension a bit with
Dubya's favs from Garth Brookes.
He does sound good through a tube or two!
The only downside of this visit apart from the irritating noise in the
skies all the time
is that the other 1,299 houses in the suburb had to be evacuated to make

way for the entourage and press, which was unfair, since all the Oz
media
were banned from reporting on the Bloke, probably to avoid ppl asking
"found any WMD yet mate?" or "what's the real cost of the war..."
or "Will the US be allowed to export chop sticks to china?"

Gees, gotta go, there's a knock on the door.......

Patrick Turner.

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...

... since all the Oz media were banned from reporting on the Bloke,
probably to avoid ppl asking "found any WMD yet mate?" or "what's the real
cost of the war..." or "Will the US be allowed to export chop sticks to
china?"

Gees, gotta go, there's a knock on the door.......

And would you be a charter member of the "Friends Of The ABC" as well,
Patrick?

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...
Mr Dubya issa here in town,
and I can tell by the sound of jets and choppers, even at 10pm.

I have set a spare place at the table for his supper,
being kangaroo tail soup, damper, and some good Oz vino.
His address to our parliament will probably not contain too many
embarrassing surprises, since the real discussions about terrorists,
oil, and global monopolisation and GM crops, will be behind closed
doors.
While he and I discuss all these distracting matters around the pool
tomorrow,
the other VIP due, is the chinese leader, but he don't have such a big
and fast aeroplane,
accompanied by so many F16s, although his country has so many more
people.
Goodness me, any darn thing is likely to be agreed on if these two
dudes can agree on trades issues, (whilst never mentioning Tibet!).
I have some nice little amps with a dozen 212 per channel,
just for the occasion, cos your president likes big and powerful
things, and so we can ease the tension a bit with
Dubya's favs from Garth Brookes.
He does sound good through a tube or two!
The only downside of this visit apart from the irritating noise in the
skies all the time
is that the other 1,299 houses in the suburb had to be evacuated to make

way for the entourage and press, which was unfair, since all the Oz
media
were banned from reporting on the Bloke, probably to avoid ppl asking
"found any WMD yet mate?" or "what's the real cost of the war..."
or "Will the US be allowed to export chop sticks to china?"

Gees, gotta go, there's a knock on the door.......

Patrick Turner.




Alright for you !!! You get on with your dingo tail guano with koala
sauce..... Back here, in the old country, I've got that tough faced Colin
Powell round here, in his big suit, for tea, this evening...... He's
American , as well....

We'll take him out for a drive, show him some old buildings, introduce him
to Her Majesty, get him ****ed and **** him off back to Washington....
Somewhere during the night we will have persuaded him that Latvian bananas
are better then American ones, the Lancaster was a far better piece of kit
than the Flying Fortress. (stop laughing, please) and that colour has a 'U'
in it.....

****in' diplomacy ..... I get really ****ed off with it.....

Janice, my wife, say's we've got Arafat round for tea, tomorrow night.
........ JEEEZ .. whadda ya cook for these people !!!! Rump de la camel
dans la tent ?? Une piece de la donkey **** a l'orange ??

Why does Arafat wear a long dress ?? The chap's a damn nancy boy !!
What hope have we of peace in the Middle East with a suntanned nancy boy and
Colin with a Flying Fortress...

regards
jim

"jim" wrote in message
...

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...
Mr Dubya issa here in town,
and I can tell by the sound of jets and choppers, even at 10pm.

I have set a spare place at the table for his supper,
being kangaroo tail soup, damper, and some good Oz vino.
His address to our parliament will probably not contain too many
embarrassing surprises, since the real discussions about terrorists,
oil, and global monopolisation and GM crops, will be behind closed
doors.
While he and I discuss all these distracting matters around the pool
tomorrow,
the other VIP due, is the chinese leader, but he don't have such a big
and fast aeroplane,
accompanied by so many F16s, although his country has so many more
people.
Goodness me, any darn thing is likely to be agreed on if these two
dudes can agree on trades issues, (whilst never mentioning Tibet!).
I have some nice little amps with a dozen 212 per channel,
just for the occasion, cos your president likes big and powerful
things, and so we can ease the tension a bit with
Dubya's favs from Garth Brookes.
He does sound good through a tube or two!
The only downside of this visit apart from the irritating noise in the
skies all the time
is that the other 1,299 houses in the suburb had to be evacuated to make

way for the entourage and press, which was unfair, since all the Oz
media
were banned from reporting on the Bloke, probably to avoid ppl asking
"found any WMD yet mate?" or "what's the real cost of the war..."
or "Will the US be allowed to export chop sticks to china?"

Gees, gotta go, there's a knock on the door.......

Patrick Turner.




Alright for you !!! You get on with your dingo tail guano with koala
sauce..... Back here, in the old country, I've got that tough faced Colin
Powell round here, in his big suit, for tea, this evening...... He's
American , as well....

We'll take him out for a drive, show him some old buildings, introduce him
to Her Majesty, get him ****ed and **** him off back to Washington....
Somewhere during the night we will have persuaded him that Latvian bananas
are better then American ones, the Lancaster was a far better piece of kit
than the Flying Fortress. (stop laughing, please) and that colour has a
'U'
in it.....

****in' diplomacy ..... I get really ****ed off with it.....

Janice, my wife, say's we've got Arafat round for tea, tomorrow night.
....... JEEEZ .. whadda ya cook for these people !!!! Rump de la camel
dans la tent ?? Une piece de la donkey **** a l'orange ??

Why does Arafat wear a long dress ?? The chap's a damn nancy boy !!
What hope have we of peace in the Middle East with a suntanned nancy boy
and
Colin with a Flying Fortress...

regards
jim



Colin's gone now ..... Hey.... fifteen 18th century stately homes, tour of
the battleship, Warspite, the man was well impressed..... We still can't
send any proper steel into the US without a 30% surcharge so you will have
to put up with monkey metal for the next 10 years, but at least we are
agreed that bananas are exempt from anything and that Arafat should only be
taxed at 22.5% The global economy rolls on...............
KT88s are now tax free, GM cars are now environmentally friendly.
Ohhh , hey.......yeah......
regards
jin

Behold, Patrick Turner signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

The only downside of this visit apart from the irritating noise in the
skies all the time is that the other 1,299 houses in the suburb had to
be evacuated to make

way for the entourage and press, which was unfair, since all the Oz
media
were banned from reporting on the Bloke, probably to avoid ppl asking
"found any WMD yet mate?" or "what's the real cost of the war..." or
"Will the US be allowed to export chop sticks to china?"

Sorry Pat,

But you guys' Howard (John is it?) is such a moron for allowing this to
happen.

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

kyser wrote:

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...

... since all the Oz media were banned from reporting on the Bloke,
probably to avoid ppl asking "found any WMD yet mate?" or "what's the real
cost of the war..." or "Will the US be allowed to export chop sticks to
china?"

Gees, gotta go, there's a knock on the door.......

And would you be a charter member of the "Friends Of The ABC" as well,
Patrick?

It ain't often I have been kept awake by circling jet planes all night,
but then I am a light sleeper.
But I ain't no member of no organization, although
I do listen to the ABC exclusively, to get away from the crass
commercial media, such as, and including CNN.
I don't like John Laws or Alan Jones on their talk back shows either.

If anyone should come to interfere with my rights, I wouldn't hesitate
to join the partisans, and I would die to maintain your right of free speech.

I am wondering if the chinese are considering exporting a $2,000
version of the F16 to the US, once it removes all its trade barriers,
in the spirit of being gentlemanly.

I know the US likes its independance, and we like ours!
Well, some of us do, but some can only ever say yes to whatever the US says,
which worries me, a lot, and in the Vietnam days,
all the way with LBJ turned out to be lunacy, imho.
That's a generation past, and the present generation has tended to suck
up to the US without question, which worries me.

About 5,000 ppl are arriving in canberra today from distant much larger cities

to protest about Dubya's visit.
This will be the biggest protest I have seen.
Canberra is our capital, but its only a town of 300,000 ppl, and is 200 miles
from
Sydney, and 400 from Melbourne, so protestors
have to be keen to travel, if they wanna protest.
Residents of our town have tame attitudes to visiting big wig foreigners,
since any protest is in vain.
Dubya already made a statement about the protestors, and upheld
their right to a point of view, ( to which he's a never gonna listen to).

Those planes circling around are still at it.
I guess Dubya brings with him a risk of trouble,
so the planes make it harder for the terrorists to gate crash the party,
but they also make D look like a frightened little man.

Patrick Turner.

Gregg wrote:

Behold, Patrick Turner signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

The only downside of this visit apart from the irritating noise in the
skies all the time is that the other 1,299 houses in the suburb had to
be evacuated to make

way for the entourage and press, which was unfair, since all the Oz
media
were banned from reporting on the Bloke, probably to avoid ppl asking
"found any WMD yet mate?" or "what's the real cost of the war..." or
"Will the US be allowed to export chop sticks to china?"

Sorry Pat,

But you guys' Howard (John is it?) is such a moron for allowing this to
happen.

I can't understand our Lil Johnny,
I have never voted for him either.
I dunno who does vote for him.
I think as long as interests rate remain low, the tiny
majority who do vote for him don't care a ****e about issues such as
Iraq, or boat people, or trade issues, or industrial relations, hospitals,
education, etc.
But low interest rates allowed anyone to borrow any amount,
and so house prices have risen 50% in two years, and young folks
starting out are marrying 20% less.
And if interests rates rise only 2%, then those mortgaged to the hilt
will suffer.

What goes up must come down, and JH will be gone, some day,
and at the moment, more morons seem set to take his place!

Patrick Turner.



--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...

kyser wrote:

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...

... since all the Oz media were banned from reporting on the Bloke,
probably to avoid ppl asking "found any WMD yet mate?" or "what's the
real
cost of the war..." or "Will the US be allowed to export chop sticks to
china?"

Gees, gotta go, there's a knock on the door.......

And would you be a charter member of the "Friends Of The ABC" as well,
Patrick?

It ain't often I have been kept awake by circling jet planes all night,
but then I am a light sleeper.
But I ain't no member of no organization, although
I do listen to the ABC exclusively, to get away from the crass
commercial media, such as, and including CNN.
I don't like John Laws or Alan Jones on their talk back shows either.

If anyone should come to interfere with my rights, I wouldn't hesitate
to join the partisans, and I would die to maintain your right of free
speech.

I am wondering if the chinese are considering exporting a $2,000
version of the F16 to the US, once it removes all its trade barriers,
in the spirit of being gentlemanly.

I know the US likes its independance, and we like ours!
Well, some of us do, but some can only ever say yes to whatever the US
says,
which worries me, a lot, and in the Vietnam days,
all the way with LBJ turned out to be lunacy, imho.
That's a generation past, and the present generation has tended to suck
up to the US without question, which worries me.

About 5,000 ppl are arriving in canberra today from distant much larger
cities

to protest about Dubya's visit.
This will be the biggest protest I have seen.
Canberra is our capital, but its only a town of 300,000 ppl, and is 200
miles
from
Sydney, and 400 from Melbourne, so protestors
have to be keen to travel, if they wanna protest.
Residents of our town have tame attitudes to visiting big wig foreigners,
since any protest is in vain.
Dubya already made a statement about the protestors, and upheld
their right to a point of view, ( to which he's a never gonna listen to).

Those planes circling around are still at it.
I guess Dubya brings with him a risk of trouble,
so the planes make it harder for the terrorists to gate crash the party,
but they also make D look like a frightened little man.

Patrick Turner.

Thanks for the long-winded reply, Patrick.

I was just having a little joke about the unbiased ABC's seeming obsession
with the first two subjects to which you referred.

kyser wrote:
,,,,


Thanks for the long-winded reply, Patrick.

I was just having a little joke about the unbiased ABC's seeming obsession
with the first two subjects to which you referred.

We don't often get visits from US presidents.
The bias of the ABC has been said to be quite left wing, and
bloody horrible, by our right wing govt, and so a war of words
about which way the ABC is biased has been ongoing in recent weeks.
Its all leading to the right wings wanted privatisation and muzzling of the
ABC,
and the insertion of advertising.
But the big boys of the media business don't want it, because they
don't want the competion to spoil their existing monopolies, etc, etc.
Politics is complex, and full of mudfights, and sleasy deals.
We have some pretty crappy media rules in place as a result.


It would be a sad loss to see the ABC degraded to suit
the lowest common denominator.
I'd like to see it flourish, and it only costs 8c per day, per person,
but consider how much "privatised" media costs us, when you
include what you pay for the adds in what you buy at the supermarket, etc.
The cost to society of "private" media is a lot more than 8c per day.

Patrick Turner.

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...

The bias of the ABC has been said to be quite left wing, and
bloody horrible, by our right wing govt, and so a war of words
about which way the ABC is biased has been ongoing in recent weeks.

Well, I find it "interesting" that an internal review of Alston's 67
allegations of ABC bias in reporting the Iraq conflict only sustained two,
while a subsequent _external/independent_ review added another 15!!!

Its all leading to the right wings wanted privatisation and muzzling of
the ABC, and the insertion of advertising.

Don't forget that Keating was scathingly critical of them, too, and this
doesn't necessarily mean they're doing something right because they get up
the noses of both political parties.

But the big boys of the media business don't want it, because they
don't want the competion to spoil their existing monopolies, etc, etc.
Politics is complex, and full of mudfights, and sleasy deals.
We have some pretty crappy media rules in place as a result.

It would be a sad loss to see the ABC degraded to suit
the lowest common denominator.

They seem to be doing a pretty good job of it themselves. It's not the
organisation I grew up listening to, and IMO is trying too hard to be
populist.

Ever watched "Kath and Kim"? What a load of ****e ......

I'd like to see it flourish, and it only costs 8c per day, per person, but
consider how much "privatised" media costs us, when you include what you pay
for the adds in what you buy at the supermarket, etc. The cost to society
of "private" media is a lot more than 8c per day.

True, but I'm increasingly of the opinion that the ABC's problem is an
internal cultural thing, not merely a matter of funding.

Anyway, back to "tubes". Have a nice day in the nation's capital!

David

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:10:22 +1000, the highly esteemed Patrick Turner
enlightened us with these pearls of wisdom:

snip
If anyone should come to interfere with my rights, I wouldn't hesitate to
join the partisans, and I would die to maintain your right of free speech.

If someone DOES come to interfere with your rights, how are you going to
stop them? Protests? Harsh language? Some Chinese tried that at
Tiananmen Square and it didn't go over too well :-(

--
Greg

--The software said it requires Win2000 or better, so I installed Linux.

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:10:22 +1000, Patrick Turner wrote:

It ain't often I have been kept awake by circling jet planes all night,
but then I am a light sleeper.

Things could be worse. When whichever Prez visits Chicago, it creates
massive traffic backups that cause thousands of people to be late for
dinner, miss Happy Hour, or have their flights delayed.
Planes buzzing all over the city is NORMAL here.

But I ain't no member of no organization, although
I do listen to the ABC exclusively, to get away from the crass
commercial media, such as, and including CNN.

IMA, he's talking about the Australian Broadcasting Corp, not
the American Broadcasting Co. (which real old timers remember
as the NBC Blue Network).

Be glad that the ABC hasn't fallen to the level of PBS in the USA,
which uses about half its primetime for cheezy infomercial
shilling to raise donations.


About 5,000 ppl are arriving in canberra today from distant much larger cities

to protest about Dubya's visit.
This will be the biggest protest I have seen.

That's it? 5,000 people? Geez, you guys are living in paradise..

Canberra is our capital

I've heard some Ozzies say it's a waste of good sheep grazing
country. Same could be said of Wrigley Field, too..


--
Ned Carlson Triode Electronics Chicago, IL USA
www.triodeelectronics.com

hey Patrick, I'll trade ya some rare 6SN7's from 1955 for a good looking
Aussie gal around 50kg?

is it a deal?


"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...
Mr Dubya issa here in town,
and I can tell by the sound of jets and choppers, even at 10pm.

I have set a spare place at the table for his supper,
being kangaroo tail soup, damper, and some good Oz vino.
His address to our parliament will probably not contain too many
embarrassing surprises, since the real discussions about terrorists,
oil, and global monopolisation and GM crops, will be behind closed
doors.
While he and I discuss all these distracting matters around the pool
tomorrow,
the other VIP due, is the chinese leader, but he don't have such a big
and fast aeroplane,
accompanied by so many F16s, although his country has so many more
people.
Goodness me, any darn thing is likely to be agreed on if these two
dudes can agree on trades issues, (whilst never mentioning Tibet!).
I have some nice little amps with a dozen 212 per channel,
just for the occasion, cos your president likes big and powerful
things, and so we can ease the tension a bit with
Dubya's favs from Garth Brookes.
He does sound good through a tube or two!
The only downside of this visit apart from the irritating noise in the
skies all the time
is that the other 1,299 houses in the suburb had to be evacuated to make

way for the entourage and press, which was unfair, since all the Oz
media
were banned from reporting on the Bloke, probably to avoid ppl asking
"found any WMD yet mate?" or "what's the real cost of the war..."
or "Will the US be allowed to export chop sticks to china?"

Gees, gotta go, there's a knock on the door.......

Patrick Turner.

Be glad that the ABC hasn't fallen to the level of PBS in the USA,
which uses about half its primetime for cheezy infomercial
shilling to raise donations.


any network that is cool enough to host "Car Talk" will always be #1 in my
book

http://cartalk.cars.com/Radio/Show/online

kyser wrote:

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...

The bias of the ABC has been said to be quite left wing, and
bloody horrible, by our right wing govt, and so a war of words
about which way the ABC is biased has been ongoing in recent weeks.

Well, I find it "interesting" that an internal review of Alston's 67
allegations of ABC bias in reporting the Iraq conflict only sustained two,
while a subsequent _external/independent_ review added another 15!!!

Yes but even if the ABC scored 17 out of 67, its a long way from
sustaining a case for abolishing the ABC.



Its all leading to the right wings wanted privatisation and muzzling of
the ABC, and the insertion of advertising.

Don't forget that Keating was scathingly critical of them, too, and this
doesn't necessarily mean they're doing something right because they get up
the noses of both political parties.

Pollies don't really like free and unftted press which can't be controlled.

But in other countries, they jail, torture, or shoot ppl who say the sorts of
things said on the ABC.



But the big boys of the media business don't want it, because they
don't want the competion to spoil their existing monopolies, etc, etc.
Politics is complex, and full of mudfights, and sleasy deals.
We have some pretty crappy media rules in place as a result.

It would be a sad loss to see the ABC degraded to suit
the lowest common denominator.

They seem to be doing a pretty good job of it themselves. It's not the
organisation I grew up listening to, and IMO is trying too hard to be
populist.

It has changed since I was 16, sure, and thank goodness there are less pompous
stuffed shirts about,
with false english accents, as if it was the BBC.
Now the blokes have real Oz accents, and there are real guts to public affairs
programs.
The afternoon talk backs on AM Radio National,
is a place where the more educated folks get to have their say, as opposed to
the
John Laws show where the blue collars get their say, but often it isn't live,
and all is provcessed, and played back later, after editing.
Commercial talk back exists to get ears to sets to listen to adds,
which companies pay the station to broadcast.
The intellectual content is a minor detail.

Not even my SET output stage makes Mr Laws any greater than he is,
a bit of a loud mouth at best, a sensationalist.
I prefer Phillip Adams.

Of course the intellectuals see right through the spin mastering of our
society, but they are in thre minority, so the Liberal's concerns are all BS,
because only 10% of the ppl really have any understanding of what really goes
on.



Ever watched "Kath and Kim"? What a load of ****e ......

Well, one reason I don't watch much TV is because there
is a limit to how much comedy I can take, you know, you sit there,
and they make crack after crack, and you don't laugh once in 1/2 an hour,
and one drifts off to the shed, to achieve something, rather than be a zombie.


I'd like to see it flourish, and it only costs 8c per day, per person, but
consider how much "privatised" media costs us, when you include what you pay
for the adds in what you buy at the supermarket, etc. The cost to society
of "private" media is a lot more than 8c per day.

True, but I'm increasingly of the opinion that the ABC's problem is an
internal cultural thing, not merely a matter of funding.

Every large public enterprise is seen as a dysfunctional
top heavy beaurocracy.
But many private companies are worse, but you never see that publisised;
oh no, what would the share holder think.
Public hospitals are seen as a waste of money.
The best ones are run with no doctors or nurses, or patients,
because they all want some darn thing, and the minister's job is a busy one,
and its easier to say **** this, let the sick *******s pay for health
themselves,
or die early.
And its easy to try to starve the ABC of funds, and let it atrophy.
No wonder the programs are so poor.
The Govt has appointed plenty of pro liberals in the executive, so accusations
of bias
is all BS.
Of course ppl interested in radio, the arts, culture, film, opera, classic
music,
and all that "chattering class" stuff are always going to be leftwing,
sympathetic to gays, pro freedom of speech, etc.
That has always been the case.
But The ABC is still the people's radio and TV broadcaster, and luckily,
it ain't owned and controlled by some tycoon, with a private agenda.

The Libs even think Canberra is a nasty way to ruin a good sheep paddock;
think of the money that'd be saved without a capital!
John Howard won't live in the Lodge.


Anyway, back to "tubes". Have a nice day in the nation's capital!

Its a lot nicer now there is no constant sound of fighter jets overhead.
Like blowflies they were.
I couldn't see them, except for one this arvo in the late afternoon sun, a tiny
pair of V wings, a long way up, maybe 7 miles.....

We did have quite a few thousands of protestors, and what a Greens man, Bob
Brown said,
in a finely spoken public statement, was a good conscience statement.

A few ppl got hurt in scuffles around the Lodge,
and the police said the usual BS stuff about how violent the protestors were,
same old stuff, after every demo.
But at least none got shot dead for their beliefs, so a good day was had by all,

and I hope the President enjoyed his kangaroo tail soup and
grilled yams with kakadu sauce.
I heard one of the 212 amps went up in smoke during
a performance of works by Percy Grainger, which is JH's fav composer,
and an embarrasing silence followed while a replacement tube was plugged in.
Made in the US, was on the box......

Beware the democracy which silences is consciences....

Patrick Turner.



David

"jim" gushed:

: Colin's gone now ..... Hey.... fifteen 18th century stately homes, tour of
: the battleship, Warspite, the man was well impressed..... We still can't
: send any proper steel into the US without a 30% surcharge so you will have
: to put up with monkey metal for the next 10 years, but at least we are
: agreed that bananas are exempt from anything and that Arafat should only be
: taxed at 22.5% The global economy rolls on...............
: KT88s are now tax free, GM cars are now environmentally friendly.
: Ohhh , hey.......yeah......
: regards
: jin

Security must've been tight... thanks for the leaks ... a low budget
http://www.rotten.com/library/conspi...t-from-davros/
then?
((:=}))
RdM

Greg Pierce wrote:

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:10:22 +1000, the highly esteemed Patrick Turner
enlightened us with these pearls of wisdom:

snip
If anyone should come to interfere with my rights, I wouldn't hesitate to
join the partisans, and I would die to maintain your right of free speech.

If someone DOES come to interfere with your rights, how are you going to
stop them? Protests? Harsh language? Some Chinese tried that at
Tiananmen Square and it didn't go over too well :-(

Maybe you ought to read a bit of Oz history.
The system of govt which we evolved is based on the Westminster system,
largely imported from England, where it had evolved for many years,
and at great cost in rivers of blood.
So the poms did our bleeding for us. Apart from the Eureka Stockade uprising,
and a one man protest by Ned Kelly,
we have never looked like having a civil war, unlike the US,
where a millions lives were lost, over issues like slavery.
We tend to argue our differences, rather than shoot it out,
but when asked or conned into doing a bit of shooting,
the Oz soldier is a fierce warrior, make no mistake.

I can't see a threat to my civil liberties from within our borders,
but perhaps Indonesia, China, maybe India may want
to tack Oz onto what they call their empire, and shoot the lot of us.
It may happen when US power has wained, like Rome's power
went away, from the decline of resolve within, and expensive long boders,
and uppity tribes who wanted their share of apple pie, NOW, rather than later,
not just free trade promises.

I am no expert in future politics, or medialitics, I don't give a toss, really.
I won't be around in 20 years, or if I am, I will be a really old *******,
and the flavour of the world is determined by the younguns,
and my world then may be determined by the generosity of those
who work and pay taxes, and the few remaining doctors who like to carry
out well meaning experiments to see how long I last after the latest
operation.

I am saving up for a robot to look after me, and to push the wheel chair,
since the press button electric types are like what transistors are to tubes,
and sort of masturbatory, and with a robot, I can dream that something,
or someone, actually values me, even when I'm worth less and less each passing
day.
The Chinese will be world leaders in making robots.
Their single children from one child families won't like wars, imperialism,
communism, and they
won't accept their parents lot, and will become more technocratic,
and more advanced, like you won't believe, like the Japs did after 1955.
They'll come to our rescue, at a price, since we have bred too few sons and
daughters,
because basically, they tend to be selfish, and we were societally
dysfunctional.
Ho hum.
I will get the "convertobot" model robot, who mostly looks like
Elle McPherson until you prod the button on one of her boobs,
( with a discrete inner bladder full of one's favourite liquor ),
which imediately transforms her into Dean Lukin, who
was able to lift a whole tuna boat, and who won olympic gold.
I'd prefer the gentle giant who has a firm ability to persuade
objectionable ppl rather than one who shoots and maims
his way towards "peace".

Australia has one of the longest uninterrupted runs of democratically
elected governments in the world.

Sure, we ain't perfect, and nor is youse!

Patrick Turner.



--
Greg

--The software said it requires Win2000 or better, so I installed Linux.

arizona cowboy wrote:

hey Patrick, I'll trade ya some rare 6SN7's from 1955 for a good looking
Aussie gal around 50kg?

is it a deal?

First I gotta chase her down, and she runs from the blokes
like Cathy Freeman, then I gotta ties her up, and ships her off to youse,
and put up with all the back chat over the procedure....

But hey, we got a few sheilas who are around the 150 Kg mark,
and I reckons they is worth 3 Kylies, and we is giving them away free.....

Just come and collect, no need for the pockets full of 6SN7s.....

Free tranquilizers included.

Patrick Turner.



"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...
Mr Dubya issa here in town,
and I can tell by the sound of jets and choppers, even at 10pm.

I have set a spare place at the table for his supper,
being kangaroo tail soup, damper, and some good Oz vino.
His address to our parliament will probably not contain too many
embarrassing surprises, since the real discussions about terrorists,
oil, and global monopolisation and GM crops, will be behind closed
doors.
While he and I discuss all these distracting matters around the pool
tomorrow,
the other VIP due, is the chinese leader, but he don't have such a big
and fast aeroplane,
accompanied by so many F16s, although his country has so many more
people.
Goodness me, any darn thing is likely to be agreed on if these two
dudes can agree on trades issues, (whilst never mentioning Tibet!).
I have some nice little amps with a dozen 212 per channel,
just for the occasion, cos your president likes big and powerful
things, and so we can ease the tension a bit with
Dubya's favs from Garth Brookes.
He does sound good through a tube or two!
The only downside of this visit apart from the irritating noise in the
skies all the time
is that the other 1,299 houses in the suburb had to be evacuated to make

way for the entourage and press, which was unfair, since all the Oz
media
were banned from reporting on the Bloke, probably to avoid ppl asking
"found any WMD yet mate?" or "what's the real cost of the war..."
or "Will the US be allowed to export chop sticks to china?"

Gees, gotta go, there's a knock on the door.......

Patrick Turner.

Last night I met a journalist friend of mone who was hopping mad
at the exclusion of the Oz press at various venues during his whistle stop
tour of the Bush Capitol of Australia Canberra.
Its called the "bush" capitol because Canberra is located so far away from
important cities, like Melbourne, and Sydney, and is placed in the vast,
and largely non-densely populated area between the main cities,
which is called "the bush".

Anyway, courageous ppl have battled hardships of farm life
by living out in the bush, or the scrub, as its also called.

But a genre of music has evolved from the original celtic
hyms and tunes of the pioneers and which is now augmented by
the occasional dijereedo, an indigenous instrument.
Bass is played with broomstick used to pull a piece of
light guage fence wire to to an old tea chest, and percussion is provided
by 'largerphone', which is a pair of crossed batterns with beer bottle lids
nailed
on so they are loose, so its pumped on the floor to provide some
percussion rythym, a sort of jingle stick.
Usually, other musos with fiddles guitars, and banjos provide
backing for tunes like 'click go the shears', or even 'watzing matilda'.

Now my journo friend found out that someone, in their artful wisdom had
sent an "authentically Australian" bush music band to provide entertainment
and background music to the evening sooiree held in honour of the
distinguished
guest, one Mr Bush.

It appears that Mr Bush, who sometimes gets Australia confused with Austria,

approached the band after they'd set up,
and asked,
" Aw hey guys, what sort of music do you play?"

Band leader replies, laconically, " Bush music ."

Dubya asks " Really, and what sort of band are you?"

The leader replies, "A bush music band", with a blank stare....

Dubya goes, "Ah huh....", and strolls off, very puzzled,

and I think the band is still laughing......

The chinese leader, Mr Hu, was far more firm and fussy about
what would and wouldn't be allowed in his presence whilst in Oz,
and I don't think there would have been room in this town for the
two big blokes of the world to fit on the same day.

Patrick Turner.

Patrick Turner wrote:

But a genre of music has evolved from the original celtic
hyms and tunes of the pioneers and which is now augmented by
the occasional dijereedo, an indigenous instrument.
Bass is played with broomstick used to pull a piece of
light guage fence wire to to an old tea chest, and percussion is provided
by 'largerphone', which is a pair of crossed batterns with beer bottle lids
nailed
on so they are loose, so its pumped on the floor to provide some
percussion rythym, a sort of jingle stick.
Usually, other musos with fiddles guitars, and banjos provide
backing for tunes like 'click go the shears', or even 'watzing matilda'.

These same instruments exist in the Appalachian region of the US. The
bass is more typically a round galvanized washtub, rather than something
so nice as a tea chest. Given skilled players, these crude instruments
can sound quite good.


Now my journo friend found out that someone, in their artful wisdom had
sent an "authentically Australian" bush music band to provide entertainment
and background music to the evening sooiree held in honour of the
distinguished
guest, one Mr Bush.

It appears that Mr Bush, who sometimes gets Australia confused with Austria,

How do you figure that? It sounds to more to me like he was being
polite.


approached the band after they'd set up,
and asked,
" Aw hey guys, what sort of music do you play?"

Band leader replies, laconically, " Bush music ."

Dubya asks " Really, and what sort of band are you?"

The leader replies, "A bush music band", with a blank stare....

Dubya goes, "Ah huh....", and strolls off, very puzzled,

and I think the band is still laughing......


Imagine, Mr. Turner how you would have felt if you asked the
question and he replied "Turner Music", and "a Turner music
band" ?

Folks are always yanking on Bush for the oddest things. You
don't suppose that he felt this was just another tug? Based
on your recounting of the incident, it sounds to me as though
the band leader was intentionally being difficult.

-Chuck Harris

Chuck Harris wrote:

Patrick Turner wrote:

But a genre of music has evolved from the original celtic
hyms and tunes of the pioneers and which is now augmented by
the occasional dijereedo, an indigenous instrument.
Bass is played with broomstick used to pull a piece of
light guage fence wire to to an old tea chest, and percussion is provided
by 'largerphone', which is a pair of crossed batterns with beer bottle lids
nailed
on so they are loose, so its pumped on the floor to provide some
percussion rythym, a sort of jingle stick.
Usually, other musos with fiddles guitars, and banjos provide
backing for tunes like 'click go the shears', or even 'watzing matilda'.

These same instruments exist in the Appalachian region of the US. The
bass is more typically a round galvanized washtub, rather than something
so nice as a tea chest. Given skilled players, these crude instruments
can sound quite good.

True, sort of like a stringed version of a trombone, only the tension of the
string,
rather than its length is altered to change the note.
Not all bush musos have the slightest idea about tuneful playing of one string
basses.
Just a thunk, thunka plunk......




Now my journo friend found out that someone, in their artful wisdom had
sent an "authentically Australian" bush music band to provide entertainment
and background music to the evening sooiree held in honour of the
distinguished
guest, one Mr Bush.

It appears that Mr Bush, who sometimes gets Australia confused with Austria,

How do you figure that? It sounds to more to me like he was being
polite.

Indeed he is polite, americans are famous for it.




approached the band after they'd set up,
and asked,
" Aw hey guys, what sort of music do you play?"

Band leader replies, laconically, " Bush music ."

Dubya asks " Really, and what sort of band are you?"

The leader replies, "A bush music band", with a blank stare....

Dubya goes, "Ah huh....", and strolls off, very puzzled,

and I think the band is still laughing......

Imagine, Mr. Turner how you would have felt if you asked the
question and he replied "Turner Music", and "a Turner music
band" ?

Well exactly.
With all due respect to Mr Bush, and all the people in the USA,
I doubt anyone gave him a book in the plane on the way over
to read about Australian folk lore,
and traditional "ways of being" .

I am sure he found out answers to his questions as the night wore on,
and took it all in his stride.



Folks are always yanking on Bush for the oddest things. You
don't suppose that he felt this was just another tug? Based
on your recounting of the incident, it sounds to me as though
the band leader was intentionally being difficult.

Like most artists, musicians, alternatives, gays, trade unionists,
it was extremely unlikely the musos would ever find
anything in Mr Bush's makeup, or in the Republican
Policies which they could agree with or appreciate.
A right wing muso is like a fish with an umbrella.
I have never met a muso who would vote Liberal, for Mr Howard.
Sure they had their subtle jibe at the most imperious man in the world at present,

and I am sure the Man has his natural way of dealing with it.
The musos play music, and are not there to provide deep and meaningful
answers.
The Man realizes that if thrown an answer to a question, or thrown a tune,
its OK, it ain't a grenade!

I think Johnny and Dubya are just pals, who enjoy power and the
agrandisement their positions bring, and to enjoy to winess great and favourable
changes to the balances of world power and influence they achive by sending
armed men hither and thither.
The folks in Iraq may not all agree, as we know, and rather a large
solution to a problem needs to be found, lest Iraq ends up like Beruit.


Will the friendship translate to a good trade deal over agricultural products?
Who knows? Probably not, the US farm lobby is an old fashioned lot......
As one taciturn bloke said about Vietnam, on ABC talkback radio,
"what did we get?..Nothin."
I'm not sure anyone "got anything".
Think of how much further along the road to capitalism,
and free democratic elections Vietnam and china would have been now if
we'd let Vietnam go red when it wanted to,
without the absurd expense and loss of life between 1954 and 1975.
They might have found out by themselves that communism was a load of twaddle 20
years sooner.
The Berlin Wall might have fallen sooner.....

Patrick Turner.



-Chuck Harris

percussion is provided by 'largerphone', which is a pair of crossed
batterns with beer bottle lids nailed
on so they are loose, so its pumped on the floor to provide some
percussion rythym, a sort of jingle stick.
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Can't remember what it's called, but my dad's friend had a crutch with a
washboard and tambourine nailed on.

Think of how much further along the road to capitalism, and free
democratic elections Vietnam and china would have been now if we'd let
Vietnam go red when it wanted to, without the absurd expense and loss of
life between 1954 and 1975. They might have found out by themselves that
communism was a load of twaddle 20 years sooner.
The Berlin Wall might have fallen sooner.....
Patrick Turner.
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Or maybe not, maybe just feeding on the neighbors.