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Those old record labels
I was just reminiscing about the many old major record labels that used to
be around. Would anybody like to add to the list? Kapp Roullette (tommy james and the shondelles) Decca Reprise (hendrix) Rhino Verve (zappa), not really major. Atlantic (zep, ray charles) Vee Jay Capitol (remember the old beatles 45's w/their orange and yellow) Chrysalis (tull) Epic Mercury Apple Parlaphone MCA Columbia CBS Sun Stax RSO (clapton) |
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Fantasy, Blue Note, Motown?
Seg-Way? Cameo, Mercury, King, Atco? Deutsche Grammophon? D. Brady wrote: I was just reminiscing about the many old major record labels that used to be around. Would anybody like to add to the list? Kapp Roullette (tommy james and the shondelles) Decca Reprise (hendrix) Rhino Verve (zappa), not really major. Atlantic (zep, ray charles) Vee Jay Capitol (remember the old beatles 45's w/their orange and yellow) Chrysalis (tull) Epic Mercury Apple Parlaphone MCA Columbia CBS Sun Stax RSO (clapton) |
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"D. Brady" wrote in message ... I was just reminiscing about the many old major record labels that used to be around. Would anybody like to add to the list? Kapp Roullette (tommy james and the shondelles) Decca Reprise (hendrix) Rhino Verve (zappa), not really major. Atlantic (zep, ray charles) Vee Jay Capitol (remember the old beatles 45's w/their orange and yellow) Chrysalis (tull) Epic Mercury Apple Parlaphone MCA Columbia CBS Sun Stax RSO (clapton) Those aren't really *old* record labels; they're middle-aged, dating from the 1950s and 1960s, and many of them are still active, although owned by conglomerates now. You want some *old* record labels? Berliner Paramount Challenge Supertone OKeh Odeon Silvertone Little Wonder (also the name of a banjo) Conqueror Harvard Oxford QRS Grey Gull Gennett Perfect Vocalion Brunswick (yes, the bowling-ball people) Banner Jewel Oriole Black Patti Keen-o-Phone Melva Meteor Climax Now those are old. Peace, Paul |
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:13:18 GMT, "Paul Stamler"
wrote: Those aren't really *old* record labels; they're middle-aged, dating from the 1950s and 1960s, and many of them are still active, although owned by conglomerates now. You want some *old* record labels? Berliner Paramount Challenge Supertone OKeh Odeon Silvertone Little Wonder (also the name of a banjo) Conqueror Harvard Oxford QRS Grey Gull Gennett Perfect Vocalion Brunswick (yes, the bowling-ball people) Banner Jewel Oriole Black Patti Keen-o-Phone Melva Meteor Climax Now those are old. snip You forgot the first label to actually use "electrical" recording...Marsh, 1925. dB |
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:46:16 -0500, "D. Brady"
wrote: I was just reminiscing about the many old major record labels that used to be around. Would anybody like to add to the list? Kapp Roullette (tommy james and the shondelles) snip Roulette was a LOT more than Tommy James. Decca Reprise (hendrix) snip Reprise was Sinatra. Hendrix was small potatoes for them. Rhino Verve (zappa), not really major. snip Wrong again. Verve was Norman Granz' fabled jazz line in the '50s, later bought by M-G-M in the early '60s. Zappa was a distribution deal that M-G-M really didn't want any part of, so they stuck it on Verve with the other "odd ball" stuff. M-G-M scored a big hit on Verve with the Getz-Gilberto LP, off of which came a crossover Top 40 hit, "Girl From Ipanema." That session was an object lesson in "close micing can be TOO much of a good thing sometimes...." Verve was (is) a major player in jazz...always has been. Get back to us when you get some education. |
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:46:16 -0500, "D. Brady"
wrote: Sun Stax RSO (clapton) etc. -- A trivia question. Why is the Victor's HMV label picture with Nipper closely hearing a Berliner gramophone a fictional one (ie. it couldn't happen in reality as a detail on the picture is missing)? Edi Zubovic, Crikvenica, Croatia |
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D. Brady wrote: I was just reminiscing about the many old major record labels that used to be around. Would anybody like to add to the list? Kapp Roullette (tommy james and the shondelles) Decca Reprise (hendrix) Rhino Verve (zappa), not really major. Atlantic (zep, ray charles) Vee Jay Capitol (remember the old beatles 45's w/their orange and yellow) Chrysalis (tull) Epic Mercury Apple Parlaphone MCA Columbia CBS Sun Stax RSO (clapton) Buddah Records with many of the "Bubble Gum" hits. rd |
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"D. Brady"
: I was just reminiscing about the many old major record labels that used to be around. Would anybody like to add to the list? Kapp Roullette (tommy james and the shondelles) Decca Reprise (hendrix) Rhino Verve (zappa), not really major. Atlantic (zep, ray charles) Vee Jay Capitol (remember the old beatles 45's w/their orange and yellow) Chrysalis (tull) Epic Mercury Apple Parlaphone MCA Columbia CBS Sun Stax RSO (clapton) How about Nonesuch? Haven't they been around for awhile? david |
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 02:22:26 -0800, DeserTBoB
wrote: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:46:16 -0500, "D. Brady" wrote: I was just reminiscing about the many old major record labels that used to be around. Would anybody like to add to the list? Kapp Roullette (tommy james and the shondelles) snip Roulette was a LOT more than Tommy James. Decca Reprise (hendrix) snip Reprise was Sinatra. Hendrix was small potatoes for them. Huh??? Rock stars like Hendrix and Neil Young sold *far* more records for Reprise than old blue eyes ever did. Get back to us when you get some education. Sure... Al |
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"play_on" wrote in message
... Reprise (hendrix) snip Reprise was Sinatra. Hendrix was small potatoes for them. Huh??? Rock stars like Hendrix and Neil Young sold *far* more records for Reprise than old blue eyes ever did. Get back to us when you get some education. You might want to read "Exploding" by Stan Cronyn. It's a history of Warner Brothers records (albeit mostly told from the viewpoint of the executives and their corporate shenanigans), and has a good deal to say about all of the other companies Warner bought over the years, including Reprise. Reprise was around long before Hendrix, and was indeed owned by Frank Sinatra. It wasn't until Warner bought Sinatra out that rock acts were recorded on Reprise. -- Dave Martin DMA, Inc Nashville, TN |
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"david gourley" wrote in message
1.165... How about Nonesuch? Haven't they been around for awhile? Medium. They started in about 1964, give or take a year or two, as a subsidiary of Elektra. Peace, Paul |
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"D. Brady" wrote in message ...
I was just reminiscing about the many old major record labels that used to be around. Would anybody like to add to the list? (small voice) Casablanca? (Running for the exit) EM |
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"Edi Zubovic" edi.zubovic[rem wrote in message ... On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:46:16 -0500, "D. Brady" wrote: Sun Stax RSO (clapton) etc. -- A trivia question. Why is the Victor's HMV label picture with Nipper closely hearing a Berliner gramophone a fictional one (ie. it couldn't happen in reality as a detail on the picture is missing)? Edi Zubovic, Crikvenica, Croatia The original painting of Nipper which belongs to EMI was hung (and possibly still does) at the famous Abbey Road Studios, St Johns Wood, NW London, after which location the Beatles late 60s album is named. I saw it there around 1974 and this icon is now over a hundred years old (Francis Barraud, 1898). See http://www.classicrecords.co.uk/guide.htm The studios are being opened to the public on March 19. See info http://www.abbeyroad.co.uk/ar_index.php What sort of detail do you think is missing in the pic? See British Patent Office's site item http://www.ukpats.org.uk/tm/notices/...ue1/nipper.htm Jim |
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:16:52 GMT, "Jim Gregory"
wrote: ----------------------------8---------------------- The original painting of Nipper which belongs to EMI was hung (and possibly still does) at the famous Abbey Road Studios, St Johns Wood, NW London, after which location the Beatles late 60s album is named. I saw it there around 1974 and this icon is now over a hundred years old (Francis Barraud, 1898). See http://www.classicrecords.co.uk/guide.htm The studios are being opened to the public on March 19. See info http://www.abbeyroad.co.uk/ar_index.php What sort of detail do you think is missing in the pic? See British Patent Office's site item http://www.ukpats.org.uk/tm/notices/...ue1/nipper.htm Jim -- A cranking hand. That Berliner grampophone didn't have any motor but had to be cranked by hand (about 70 rpm I think) in order to rotate the turntable. So it has been a direct drive unit g. Now, as no hand that cranks the turntable is painted, Nipper is hearing to nothing... We've got here in Rijeka Museum a copy of a Berliner gramophone of that sort (Design #6?) and it's a little pity they didn't, for exibition setup purposes, came to an idea to find a corresponding-sized Nipper statue as that may have been an 3-D Victrola Logo setup  http://www.muzej-rijeka.hr/carobna-i...m-bakrenom.htm The page is in Croatian only, sorry. It describes the unit and says it was one of the oldest gramophone found in Croatia till now and it belonged to the Keglevich family, one of noble and known families at the time. {Hey, they say we could now make our own Berliner-like recordings on an ---lookie!--- CD disc! Oh boy.} http://www.verycoolthings.com/vct/Ne...D=13460&coo l Edi Zubovic, Crikvenica, Croatia |
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Edi...
What an amazing revelation about a very important missing detail, the cranking handle. This is typical of someone uneducated not bothering to include necessary engineering items as it looks "good enough". It's like making a bicycle but without pedals! But at least Berliner's disc reproduction system won over Edison's wax cylinders which as far as I know could only be acoustic masters. I was once offered an Edison phonograph for free in 1968, and declined as I had no storage space in my small studyroom for it and about 30 cylinders in cardboard containers. What a foolish person I was! Did you tell EMI who own the HMV logo about this anomaly yet? I bet they have got some PR excuse to explain it. Jim "Edi Zubovic" edi.zubovic[rem wrote in message news  On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:16:52 GMT, "Jim Gregory" wrote: ----------------------------8---------------------- The original painting of Nipper which belongs to EMI was hung (and possibly still does) at the famous Abbey Road Studios, St Johns Wood, NW London, after which location the Beatles late 60s album is named. I saw it there around 1974 and this icon is now over a hundred years old (Francis Barraud, 1898). See http://www.classicrecords.co.uk/guide.htm The studios are being opened to the public on March 19. See info http://www.abbeyroad.co.uk/ar_index.php What sort of detail do you think is missing in the pic? See British Patent Office's site item http://www.ukpats.org.uk/tm/notices/...ue1/nipper.htm Jim -- A cranking hand. That Berliner grampophone didn't have any motor but had to be cranked by hand (about 70 rpm I think) in order to rotate the turntable. So it has been a direct drive unit g. Now, as no hand that cranks the turntable is painted, Nipper is hearing to nothing... We've got here in Rijeka Museum a copy of a Berliner gramophone of that sort (Design #6?) and it's a little pity they didn't, for exibition setup purposes, came to an idea to find a corresponding-sized Nipper statue as that may have been an 3-D Victrola Logo setup http://www.muzej-rijeka.hr/carobna-i...m-bakrenom.htm The page is in Croatian only, sorry. It describes the unit and says it was one of the oldest gramophone found in Croatia till now and it belonged to the Keglevich family, one of noble and known families at the time. {Hey, they say we could now make our own Berliner-like recordings on an ---lookie!--- CD disc! Oh boy.} http://www.verycoolthings.com/vct/Ne...D=13460&coo l Edi Zubovic, Crikvenica, Croatia |
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Jim Gregory wrote:
What an amazing revelation about a very important missing detail, the cranking handle. This is typical of someone uneducated not bothering to include necessary engineering items as it looks "good enough". Maybe they did it because the dog wouldn't have been willing to turn the crank. It's like making a bicycle but without pedals! Right, only works for downhill. But at least Berliner's disc reproduction system won over Edison's wax cylinders which as far as I know could only be acoustic masters. I was once offered an Edison phonograph for free in 1968, and declined as I had no storage space in my small studyroom for it and about 30 cylinders in cardboard containers. What a foolish person I was! Well, okay, but Scott Dorsey's garage won't fit in your old apartment, either, so maybe you were right the first time. Did you tell EMI who own the HMV logo about this anomaly yet? I bet they have got some PR excuse to explain it. First, you'll have to get them to understand the problem... BTW, you've been contributing good stuff here. Thanks. -- ha |
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"Edi Zubovic" edi.zubovic[rem wrote in message
... -- A trivia question. Why is the Victor's HMV label picture with Nipper closely hearing a Berliner gramophone a fictional one (ie. it couldn't happen in reality as a detail on the picture is missing)? The gramophone was painted over several times because the artist was attempting to sell it to different companies. It may well have even been a cylinder player at one point. The "Dog," as the painting is affectionately known, has lived in a variety of places over the years. Some friends of mine actually stole it from the executive offices of the Capitol Tower for a few days! -- Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined! 615.385.8051 http://www.hyperback.com |
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Bob
So the hardware in portrait was doctored to fit the potential clients. Funny how the top brass at HMV never noticed the missing interface! Must have caused a few red faces when it was later spotted. When was that heist? Sure it wasn't a copy of the one in London? We often refer to that logo painting as "Nipper and Trumpet", although its correct title is "His Master's Voice". Jim "Bob Olhsson" wrote in message ... "Edi Zubovic" edi.zubovic[rem wrote in message ... -- A trivia question. Why is the Victor's HMV label picture with Nipper closely hearing a Berliner gramophone a fictional one (ie. it couldn't happen in reality as a detail on the picture is missing)? The gramophone was painted over several times because the artist was attempting to sell it to different companies. It may well have even been a cylinder player at one point. The "Dog," as the painting is affectionately known, has lived in a variety of places over the years. Some friends of mine actually stole it from the executive offices of the Capitol Tower for a few days! -- Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined! 615.385.8051 http://www.hyperback.com |
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Bob, go **** your blind aunt for starters. In my time it (verve) wasnt major
like Capitol RCA etc. Zappa was so odball he became way more famous than that one hit wonder you mentioned. I was re-calling what came to my mind being 45 not 75 like you **** ball. Take things in context, Tommy James is old stuff, roullette is no more, so why dont you bring up the manufacturer of the first wax cylinder Edison used and hit us all over the head with it pea brain? Dan "DeserTBoB" wrote in message ... On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:46:16 -0500, "D. Brady" wrote: I was just reminiscing about the many old major record labels that used to be around. Would anybody like to add to the list? Kapp Roullette (tommy james and the shondelles) snip Roulette was a LOT more than Tommy James. Decca Reprise (hendrix) snip Reprise was Sinatra. Hendrix was small potatoes for them. Rhino Verve (zappa), not really major. snip Wrong again. Verve was Norman Granz' fabled jazz line in the '50s, later bought by M-G-M in the early '60s. Zappa was a distribution deal that M-G-M really didn't want any part of, so they stuck it on Verve with the other "odd ball" stuff. M-G-M scored a big hit on Verve with the Getz-Gilberto LP, off of which came a crossover Top 40 hit, "Girl From Ipanema." That session was an object lesson in "close micing can be TOO much of a good thing sometimes...." Verve was (is) a major player in jazz...always has been. Get back to us when you get some education. |
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I was just reminiscing about the many old major record labels that
used to be around. Would anybody like to add to the list? Kapp Roullette (tommy james and the shondelles) Decca Reprise (hendrix) Rhino Verve (zappa), not really major. Atlantic (zep, ray charles) Vee Jay Capitol (remember the old beatles 45's w/their orange and yellow) Chrysalis (tull) Epic Mercury Apple Parlaphone MCA Columbia CBS Sun Stax RSO (clapton) Chess. Joe |
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D. Brady wrote:
Stax Hi -- Aaron J. Grier | "Not your ordinary poofy goof." | The United States is the one true country. The US is just. The US is fair. The US respects its citizens. The US loves you. We have always been at war against terrorism. |
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On 17 Feb 2005 19:19:38 -0800, "Joseph Meditz"
wrote: I was just reminiscing about the many old major record labels that used to be around. Would anybody like to add to the list? Kapp Roullette (tommy james and the shondelles) Decca Reprise (hendrix) Rhino Verve (zappa), not really major. Atlantic (zep, ray charles) Vee Jay Capitol (remember the old beatles 45's w/their orange and yellow) Chrysalis (tull) Epic Mercury Apple Parlaphone MCA Columbia CBS Sun Stax RSO (clapton) Chess. I guess people have a lot of different definitions of "major". Chess, Sun, RPM, Atlantic (in the 50s), etc were considered "independents" and the usually specialized in music and markets that the major labels ignored, such blues, country, cajun, rock n roll, etc. Mainstream labels would be like RCA, Mercury, Capitol and Columbia, etc, outfits that had much deeper pockets for promoting pop records than the smaller labels did. The only way labels like Sun and Chess could compete was by recording music that the big labels overlooked. Al Al |
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"Edi Zubovic" edi.zubovic[rem wrote in message news 
Perhaps Nipper had heard his master's voice coming from the horn before, and was waiting to hear it again as soon as someone cranked the player. Nobody said he was actually hearing anything at the time the picture was painted. - Well. Here I go again, with my old bad habit to fire without without aiming. I have come to a conclusion that Nipper might hear to a Berliner gramophone at stillstand following reading a book where the very first Berliner gramophone is described and there were evidently hand-cranked ie. w/o any motors. There in the book is also a copy of a instruction manual page where it is described how to turn a crank so the record would turn at some 70 rpm. This made me construct the conclusion. But logics without enough facts isn't a quite valid logics at all. So I had to check further on the Internet; this I should have done before! And yes, here we go -- this particular Berliner gramophone is an _improved_ type with a motor. So, the situation where the dog is hearing to the uncranked Berliner Improved gramophone is a valid one. This may be seen at the video I came across (click the Quick Time sign and allow the movie to load partially (the entire movie is abt 4 MB): http://www.coleccionfb.com/video%207.htm And yes, as you see, the crank is being turned around by a spring motor. I would apologize to Jim Gregory and the others for this. At least now I'll remember to doublecheck the facts I'm dealing with and you've got still an another trivia issue about the famous picture. Oh yes, I feel I'd apologize to the memory of Francis Barraud, the painter who made the picture. Now that we've established that...is it true that an earlier version of the painting had a coffin in the corner, presumably containing His Master? Peace, Paul |
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:31:45 GMT, "Paul Stamler"
wrote: -------------------------8-------------------------------- Now that we've established that...is it true that an earlier version of the painting had a coffin in the corner, presumably containing His Master? Peace, Paul -- Some say yes some say no. Personally, I think in that sad and solemn moment, nobody would come to an idea to make obscure experiments. But this is my opinion though; this story http://www.todotango.com/english/bib...s/perrito.html could be more accurate I think. Edi Zubovic, Crikvenica, Croatia |
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"Jim Gregory" wrote in message
... ...Sure it wasn't a copy of the one in London? That's what the folks who took it figured but all hell broke loose because apparently it really WAS the original so it was quietly returned! -- Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined! 615.385.8051 http://www.hyperback.com |
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