I am using a microphone that requires phantom power from the board. I
also want to use a direct box for a split back to my stage amp. I have
been looking for a direct box with an XLR input, a quarter inch link,
and most importantly, one that will pass phantom power through it from
the console to the microphone. Can anyone help?

Thanks
-Rick

I am using a microphone that requires phantom power from the board. I
also want to use a direct box for a split back to my stage amp. I have
been looking for a direct box with an XLR input, a quarter inch link,
and most importantly, one that will pass phantom power through it from
the console to the microphone.


** You need a standard, passive *transformer" DI box - such a box
blocks DC on the XLR socket. Then you also need an XLR mic lead Y adaptor
that allows the mic to connect to both the DI and the board.

So, the signal goes from the mic to the board, then also via a parallel
split to the DI and from one of its jacks to the stage amp.





.............. Phil

wrote ...
I am using a microphone that requires phantom power
from the board. I also want to use a direct box for a
split back to my stage amp. I have been looking for a
direct box with an XLR input, a quarter inch link, and
most importantly, one that will pass phantom power
through it from the console to the microphone.
Can anyone help?

Perhaps what you are looking for is a "mic splitter" box.
Many are available that will pass phantom power from
one of the outputs to the input (the microphone).

Mic splitter boxes are typically fitted with a female XLR
connector for the mic input, and two male XLR connectors
for the outputs. If you want to feed the mic to a stage amp
with a 1/4" input, just use cable with female XLR (out of
the mic splitter box) on one end and male 1/4" plug on the
other end (for your stage amp).

Some typical mic splitters found at online vendors...
ART Split-com ($25)
Rolls MS20 Mic Splitter ($39)
ProCo MS3 ($79) (3-way)

In article .com,
wrote:
I am using a microphone that requires phantom power from the board. I
also want to use a direct box for a split back to my stage amp. I have
been looking for a direct box with an XLR input, a quarter inch link,
and most importantly, one that will pass phantom power through it from
the console to the microphone. Can anyone help?

You want to run a microphone into a stage amp?

What you actually want is probably a preamplifier and a reamp box. The
levels coming out of the mike are too low to go into an amp, especially
through a backwards DI box.

Do be aware that this is a recipe for feedback problems.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Richard Crowley wrote:

Some typical mic splitters found at online vendors...
ART Split-com ($25)
Rolls MS20 Mic Splitter ($39)
ProCo MS3 ($79) (3-way)

Hmmm, ART, Rolls, and proCo. I think I'd go with the ProCo.

In article .com writes:

I am using a microphone that requires phantom power from the board. I
also want to use a direct box for a split back to my stage amp.

It sounds like you want to split a phantom powered mic to two
destinations - the console (which provides the phantom power) and
another amplifier on stage. Is this correct?

If so, what you really want is a mic splitter. But you have a couple
of problems (or at least, to us, a couple of unknowns). What's your
"stage amp"? A guitar amplifier? What are the characteristics of its
input other than the size of the input jack?

If it's a guitar amplifier or the like, I'd try a simple XLR Y cable
to split the mic, with one branch of the Y going to the console (this
will provide phantom power) and the other branch going to a passive
direct box to sort of match the microphone output to the amplifier
input. That won't cost much and will probably work.

But any time you change the loading on a microphone, you'll change its
sound. It may not matter enough to worry about, but you should be
aware that it will happen.


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In article .com
writes:

I am using a microphone that requires phantom power from the board. I
also want to use a direct box for a split back to my stage amp.

Could you give some more details? Most stage amps don't have microphone
inputs, so I'm not clear what you're trying to do. Brand names and model
numbers will help, of microphone, board and amp. Also what this mic will be
used for -- vocals? Instrument(s)?

Peace,
Paul

"Mike Rivers" = polly wants another cracker


My post:

" ** You need a standard, passive *transformer" DI box - such a box
blocks DC on the XLR socket. Then you also need an XLR mic lead Y adaptor
that allows the mic to connect to both the DI and the board.

So, the signal goes from the mic to the board, then also via a parallel
split to the DI and from one of its jacks to the stage amp. "



** The Parrot's post 8 hours later:


If it's a guitar amplifier or the like, I'd try a simple XLR Y cable
to split the mic, with one branch of the Y going to the console (this
will provide phantom power) and the other branch going to a passive
direct box to sort of match the microphone output to the amplifier
input. That won't cost much and will probably work.



** Is plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery ??





............. Phil

Is everything that you post the result of your independent research?

You never read a book and said "so that's how it works"?
I realize it's hopeless (sigh)....

Is everything that you post the result of your independent research?

You never read a book and said "so that's how it works"?
I realize it's hopeless (sigh)....




** Wonder who's sockputtet this tedious ****** is.



.............. Phil

"Phil Allison" wrote in news:36ara3F4uok1aU1
@individual.net:

** Wonder who's sockputtet this tedious ****** is.

Tell us again about the 5 Hz frequency shifter you "designed".

On 1 Feb 2005 03:35:22 -0800, wrote:

I am using a microphone that requires phantom power from the board. I
also want to use a direct box for a split back to my stage amp. I have
been looking for a direct box with an XLR input, a quarter inch link,
and most importantly, one that will pass phantom power through it from
the console to the microphone. Can anyone help?

What's your "stage amp"? A foldback system? Tell us just what your
setup is?

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Thanks for all the replies so quickly. I have a mic (CAD Equitek E100)
set at the grill of my accordion, and my stage amp is a guitar amp.

Right now I'm running into a small Mackie 12 channel mixer, and from
that I send the main signal from the mixer to the snake, and an aux
send to my stage amp. I have no problems with feedback using this mic
with this setup, it's very one-directional and I have mounted very
close to the grill of my accordion.

I like this setup, for b/c it gives me a signal boost through the
boards mic pre, an xlr send to the snake, and a split to my amp with
the aux. However, it's very clunky and a lot to carry around for one
line. I thought their might be a more portable solution, but now that
I break it down more I guess the DI would not boost the signal at all
like the Mackie's pre's.

Suggestions?

-Rick

Thanks for all the replies so quickly. I have a mic (CAD Equitek E100)
set at the grill of my accordion, and my stage amp is a guitar amp.

Right now I'm running into a small Mackie 12 channel mixer, and from
that I send the main signal from the mixer to the snake, and an aux
send to my stage amp. I have no problems with feedback using this mic
with this setup, it's very one-directional and I have mounted very
close to the grill of my accordion.

I like this setup, for b/c it gives me a signal boost through the
boards mic pre, an xlr send to the snake, and a split to my amp with
the aux. However, it's very clunky and a lot to carry around for one
line. I thought their might be a more portable solution, but now that
I break it down more I guess the DI would not boost the signal at all
like the Mackie's pre's.

Suggestions?



** That mic has a high output level PLUS a passive DI operating in
reverse as suggested boosts the signal again. You are sure to have plenty of
signal available for any guitar amp.

Stop whining and guessing - go try the solution I posted and the Parrot
echoed.




............. Phil

In article writes:

** Is plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery ??

Great minds think alike.

I realize, Phil, that in the perfect world, we should simply all wait
around for you to answer all the questions and then there would be no
need for anyone else on this newsgroup. But I'm an impatient sort, and
if I see a question I can answer before I see your response, I'll
answer it.

Sorry if it takes eight hours to get from here to there. I couldn't
fly there any sooner and deliver my answer to you for you to check out
before posting it.

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I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

"Mike Rivers" = one, stinking, bloody liar


Phil Allison

** Replacing what the asshole snipped:

My post:

" ** You need a standard, passive *transformer" DI box - such a box
blocks DC on the XLR socket. Then you also need an XLR mic lead Y adaptor
that allows the mic to connect to both the DI and the board.

So, the signal goes from the mic to the board, then also via a parallel
split to the DI and from one of its jacks to the stage amp. "


** The Parrot's post 8 hours later:


If it's a guitar amplifier or the like, I'd try a simple XLR Y cable
to split the mic, with one branch of the Y going to the console (this
will provide phantom power) and the other branch going to a passive
direct box to sort of match the microphone output to the amplifier
input. That won't cost much and will probably work.


** Is plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery ??


Great minds think alike.


** While anencephalic like Mike Rivers can only parrot.



I realize, Phil, that in the perfect world, we should simply all wait
around for you to answer all the questions and then there would be no
need for anyone else on this newsgroup. But I'm an impatient sort, and
if I see a question I can answer before I see your response, I'll
answer it.


** What a dumb a lie !!

The Parrot's response is 8.5 hours behind my post - according both to GG
and my news server.


Sorry if it takes eight hours to get from here to there.


** The posturing ass is not sorry about anything.

And it takes less than 8 seconds.



I couldn't
fly there any sooner and deliver my answer to you for you to check out
before posting it.


** Time to get a new set of feathers then.


I'm really Mike Rivers ) and I am really a total
****head.





............. Phil

In article om writes:

Thanks for all the replies so quickly. I have a mic (CAD Equitek E100)
set at the grill of my accordion, and my stage amp is a guitar amp.

Right now I'm running into a small Mackie 12 channel mixer, and from
that I send the main signal from the mixer to the snake, and an aux
send to my stage amp.

That's a fine way to do it.

However, it's very clunky and a lot to carry around for one
line. I thought their might be a more portable solution

You could get someone to custom-build a box for you, but it would
still be a box. You'd lose a little bulk and a power cord, but also
lose some flexibility. It wouldn't be worth it. The Mackie 1202 is
pretty small and light, pretty inconsequential compared to most guitar
amps.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:



"Mike Rivers" = one, stinking, bloody liar


Phil Allison

** Replacing what the asshole snipped:

Which has absolutely no relevance to what you're bitching about, but
since about all you can croak about is people snipping your posts,
I'll give you one more.

[snip]

The Parrot's response is 8.5 hours behind my post - according both to GG
and my news server.

Tough darts.

I don't sit at the computer all day and respond to posts in real time.
I download messages and read them off-line, replying at my leisure.
When I'm ready for another dose, which may well be several hours later
in the day, or even the next morning, I'll upload my replies. I don't
check before uploading to see if someone has already replied with
basicially the same answer as I did. If they have, fine. Maybe the
original poster read your reply and went out and bought a Y cable and
a passive direct box. Or maybe he waited around to see if there were
other suggestions that he liked better. Or maybe he hadn't even
awakened yet and in the morning found both your reply and mine.

This is nothing to get excited over. Nor is it any reason to suspect
that I read your reply, paraphrased it, and used it in my own reply.
I'm smarter than that, in more ways than one.

You, however, having nothing more to say, chose, as usual, to make a
slugfest out of it.

Have a nice night, sir.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

wrote in message
ps.com...
Thanks for all the replies so quickly. I have a mic (CAD Equitek E100)
set at the grill of my accordion, and my stage amp is a guitar amp.

Right now I'm running into a small Mackie 12 channel mixer, and from
that I send the main signal from the mixer to the snake, and an aux
send to my stage amp. I have no problems with feedback using this mic
with this setup, it's very one-directional and I have mounted very
close to the grill of my accordion.

I like this setup, for b/c it gives me a signal boost through the
boards mic pre, an xlr send to the snake, and a split to my amp with
the aux. However, it's very clunky and a lot to carry around for one
line. I thought their might be a more portable solution, but now that
I break it down more I guess the DI would not boost the signal at all
like the Mackie's pre's.

Suggestions?

Run your CAD straight into the snake. Take a Direct or Insert out from the
main mixer to an unused channel of the snake, and run that into your stage
amp.

Peace,
Paul

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1107313316k@trad...

In article writes:

** Is plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery ??

Generally, I see very little need for filters. However, there are three
people I have filtered, phil allison because he's just one plain asshole,
george gleason who files of the handle when anyone mentions the "b" word in
a negative light, and mike vandeman in rec.backcountry. It makes usenet
life much more enjoyable. YMMV.

I would hate to see idiots like phil make you post less Mike, I really
appreciate your advice.

Phil Allison wrote:

The Parrot's response is 8.5 hours behind my post - according both to GG
and my news server.

Who's a clever boy then?
And can you show us at what time his news server picked up the original
question, before which he wouldn't have been able to see it?

CLUE: In the early days, usenet articles could take *days* to propagate.
Now it's a bit faster but the mechanism is the same.

Anahata

wrote:
I am using a microphone that requires phantom power from the board.
I
also want to use a direct box for a split back to my stage amp. I
have
been looking for a direct box with an XLR input, a quarter inch link,
and most importantly, one that will pass phantom power through it
from
the console to the microphone. Can anyone help?

Thanks
-Rick

%% You need a standard, passive *transformer" DI thingey - such a
thingey
blocks DC on the XLR doodad. Then you also need an XLR mic cord Y
adapter thingey doodad that allows the mic to connect to both the DI
and the board.

So, the signal goes to the board from the mic, then also via a
parallel
split to the DI and from one of its jacks to the stage amp.
Turn it up to 11 for maximum effect.

--------- meow

Phil Allison wrote:
"Dave Martin"


The 'b' word? Beef? Bass? Brunette? Bass Ale? Ben and Jerry's? Beaumont?
Blues?

I don't get it...




** The "b" word is Bose.

And here is was thinking Behringer.

%% You need a standard, passive *transformer" DI thingey - such a
thingey
blocks DC on the XLR doodad. Then you also need an XLR mic cord Y
adapter thingey doodad that allows the mic to connect to both the DI
and the board.

I HATE it when he gets so technical!!

doodadave


So, the signal goes to the board from the mic, then also via a
parallel
split to the DI and from one of its jacks to the stage amp.
Turn it up to 11 for maximum effect.

--------- meow

Dave Martin wrote:

The 'b' word? Beef? Bass? Brunette? Bass Ale? Ben and Jerry's? Beaumont?
Blues?

I don't get it...

Behringer. You don't need to get it, considering your outboard stash.

--
ha