When discussing the state of Audio, or, anything else with Arny, one
is certain to get some unusual and seemingly incongruent-with-reality
statements. However, it appears that Chef Kroo has a method to his
culinary madness.

Does anyone else out there percieve the unique issues Mr. K brings to
Usenet? Your commentary-hopefully lucid rather than loony-would be most
entertaining.

How's that feud with Gateway coming, Cal? Why are you so ****ed off
that they closed their retail outlets?



wrote:
When discussing the state of Audio, or, anything else with Arny, one
is certain to get some unusual and seemingly incongruent-with-reality
statements. However, it appears that Chef Kroo has a method to his
culinary madness.

Does anyone else out there percieve the unique issues Mr. K brings to
Usenet? Your commentary-hopefully lucid rather than loony-would be
most
entertaining.

wrote:
When discussing the state of Audio, or, anything else with Arny, one
is certain to get some unusual and seemingly incongruent-with-reality
statements.

Agreed. That would be the biggest understatement ever posted on RAO.
Most of RAO's active posters would no doubt agree with you.


However, it appears that Chef Kroo has a method to his
culinary madness.


Again, quite perceptive. Agenda-driven madness such as his can be
quite repetitive and predictable. It's been happening on RAO since
1997, unfortunately. It's even been periodically carried - like a
dangerous virus - to other Usenet NGs, especially those that are not
moderated. It's even attracted a few parasites along the way, such as
his very few imitators on RAO.


Does anyone else out there percieve the unique issues Mr. K brings to
Usenet?

With the exception of 3 parasitic imitators, one of whom is a
sockpuppet, you'll find it hard to find anybody that disagrees with
your perceptive observations. For further validation of your discovery
of Krueger's obvious disconnect with reality and the reason's he
triggers the responses he so often gets, check out the following
thread:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...19e336ae380d7f

It's called "Have You Had A Bad Krueger Experience?". Although written
in 1999, Ed Shain's observationss remain valid today. As you will
note, some of the names on Ed's list are still actively posting, while
others, unfortunately, left in disgust, probably as a result of
Krueger's nasty behavior. And, for the record, Ed Shain is a former
loudspeaker company investor whose wife is a physician in NYC. IOW,
there is no reason to believe that his observations are not credible.
But as you've already discovered the evidence is pretty obvious.


Your commentary-hopefully lucid rather than loony-would be most
entertaining.

Aside from a few parasitic and imitative flamethrowers as mentioned
above, you will, to be fair, find a few other people, such as Howard
Ferstler and Tom Nousaine that tend to agree with Krueger's dogma.
Unfortunately, Howard frequently (but not always) gets into
name-calling and other forms of derision when he encounters
disagreements. That said, he doesn't even come close to approaching
Krueger's "unique" qualities you describe above. Tom Nousaine, in
general, doesn't get into personal attacks IMHO, and therefore rarely
gets any in return.

I had several family members and friends negatively impacted by their
stupidity, plus, I hate lowest-common-denominator dog poop being
bronzed and sold as gold. I hate their attitude.

However, it's obvious they are going to merge and disintegrate as a
corporate identity in the next year or so, so it's just not worth
pursuing. Waitt is getting his money back out of the deal, or what's
left, and the people in South Dakota are back where they started: it's
milk moo cows or moo-ve.

wrote in message
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When discussing the state of Audio, or, anything else with Arny, one
is certain to get some unusual and seemingly incongruent-with-reality
statements. However, it appears that Chef Kroo has a method to his
culinary madness.

Does anyone else out there percieve the unique issues Mr. K brings to
Usenet? Your commentary-hopefully lucid rather than loony-would be most
entertaining.

It helps if you don't substitute attitude for knowledge.

He's had heated words with lots of folks including people who agree with him
about audio electronics. The most knowledgeable being JJ(Jim Johnston), and
Stewart Pinkerton.

Both of who would likely tell you that while he is often a pain in the ass,
he's dead on about audio.

Yeah, I don't hate Kroo, he just says the same thing over and over
again and seems unamenable to reason . It's like he's NEVER WRONG. I am
wrong some of the time, because I am not a fulltime researcher: this is
a hobby. I don't have a home recording studio, for the most part I'm
against home recording. Not that I want it outlawed, I just think we
have way too many ****ty desktop records out there. Rudy Van Gelder,
who built his house to be a recording studio in the first place and
does it for a living, obviously doesn't count. I'm looking for the guy
who will tell me with a straight face that you could do, say, any of
Sinatra's late Capitol albums (Come Dance With Me???) with Pro Tools
and some $199 mics from Musician's Friend. Music was better when we had
professionals working with professionals. And simple, basic equipment
made well that people could work on.

What's so wrong with that??

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When discussing the state of Audio, or, anything else with Arny, one
is certain to get some unusual and seemingly incongruent-with-reality
statements.

That reflects on your idea of reality, Cal.

Cal, you've done more than your share to increase the looniness content of
RAO. Given the loonies we already have, that's quite an accomplishment.

However, it appears that Chef Kroo has a method to his
culinary madness.

Something about the true facts of the matter.

Does anyone else out there percieve the unique issues Mr. K brings to
Usenet?

Trolling for sympathy, Cal? Pretty weak if you ask me.

Your commentary-hopefully lucid rather than loony-would be
most entertaining.

RAO has more than its share of the non-educatable. I hope that you will be
able to benefit from the corrections that you have received, Cal.

Edward M. Shain Jul 27 1999, 12:00 am


As far as I can observe, the following contributors to RAO
have all had bitter or hostile exchanges with Arnold Krueger in which
there was some distinguishing negative characteristic, whether
contempt, lying, dishonest quoting, altered texts, attacks without
provocation, intellectual dishonesty, refusal to admit error,
manipulated context etc. I believe an accurate list of all who've had
such an experience might be productive in developing a less hostile
atmosphere here on RAO.

The list is *not* meant to include those who have merely had
an argument with Mr. Krueger or who simply dislike him. It is *not* a
popularity contest. It is mean to be a list of people who have been
involved in an exchange with Arnold in which, in their view, he
behaved badly or in ways that might discourage an honest, open, and
free exchange of views here on RAO.

If I have inadvertently left any off this list who wish to add
their names, please add your name to the list and repost. The list is
alphabetical by last name. If I have listed any who believe they're
here in error, please remove your name and repost with a small note
saying you've done so. My apologies to those folk.


This list is solely my responsibility.


Ed


Jeff Adams, John Atkinson, Marc Blank, Roy Briggs, Jennifer Burton,
Jason Cotton, Michael Clyne, Paul Dormer, Felix (Fear3000), Michael
Gindi, Pete Goudreau, Brian Leupp, Gene Lyle, Paul Macca, Michael
Mandwright, Stephen McEleroy, George Middius, Stewart Pinkerton,
Photobug (Fred), Bruce Richman,Chuck Ross, Barry Rothman, Jim Sanders,
Jonathan Scull, Jim Seymour, Greg Singh, Ed Shain, Andrew Thibault,
Leslie Vreeland, Dave Weil, Glenn Zelniker, and Steve Zipser, JBorg

"JBorg" wrote in message
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Edward M. Shain Jul 27 1999, 12:00 am

Absolute proof that Borglet is delusional and lives in the past.

JBorg a écrit :

You'd rather increase the quantity of daily melatonine you take.
It will be more efficient and less frustrating. ;-)

Arny Krueger wrote:
"JBorg" wrote in message
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Edward M. Shain Jul 27 1999, 12:00 am

Absolute proof that Borglet is delusional and lives in the past.

Posting a documented Google thread is not evidence that one has
delusions.

Also, since a number of the posters listed in that thread are active
posters now on RAO, and the behavior descibed by Mr. Shain and others
hasn't change on the part of Krueger, the post very much describes the
present.

Lionel wrote:
JBorg a =E9crit :

You'd rather increase the quantity of daily melatonine you take.
It will be more efficient and less frustrating. ;-)

Once again, Lionel tries to attack another poster to deflect valid
criticism about Kruetger. Maybe Krueger sent him a free sound card.
:-)

Bruce J. Richman a écrit :
Lionel wrote:

JBorg a écrit :

You'd rather increase the quantity of daily melatonine you take.
It will be more efficient and less frustrating. ;-)


Once again, Lionel tries to attack another poster to deflect valid
criticism about Kruetger. Maybe Krueger sent him a free sound card.
:-)

For a normal, non paranoid guy it's not an attack, just a joke.

Lionel wrote:
Bruce J. Richman a =E9crit :
Lionel wrote:

JBorg a =E9crit :

You'd rather increase the quantity of daily melatonine you take.
It will be more efficient and less frustrating. ;-)


Once again, Lionel tries to attack another poster to deflect valid
criticism about Kruetger. Maybe Krueger sent him a free sound
card.
:-)

For a normal, non paranoid guy it's not an attack, just a joke.

Another false statement from one of Krueger's main supporters.
Lionel's history of attacking many of Krueger's enemies while not
saying anything negative about Krueger provides significant evidence of
what most of us know about him. He's a Krueger apologist and
substitute hatchet man.

Lionel can't remember the last time he told the truth about me, so he
hasn't answeered that question.

He also can't reemember the last time he said anything critical about
Krueger's attacks on myself and others.

The only question remaining is what he's getting from Krueger in return
for his loyalty. It's hard to believe that any rational person would
support Krueger's personal attacks without some type of payoff.

"JBorg" wrote in message
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Edward M. Shain Jul 27 1999, 12:00 am

[snip]
If I have inadvertently left any off this list who wish to add
their names, please add your name to the list and repost. The list is
alphabetical by last name. If I have listed any who believe they're
here in error, please remove your name and repost with a small note
saying you've done so. My apologies to those folk.


This list is solely my responsibility.


Ed

Put me on: Robert Morein.
I have essayed extensively on application of L. Sprague DeCamp's "Right Man"
theory of despotic human behavior to Krueger's behavior.

In the near future, look for a graduate program in Krueger Dementia, to be
offered by the University of the Pacific.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message



Put me on: Robert Morein.
I have essayed extensively on application of L. Sprague DeCamp's
"Right Man" theory of despotic human behavior to Krueger's behavior.

In the near future, look for a graduate program in Krueger Dementia,
to be offered by the University of the Pacific.

Yet another example of how RAO is an asylum run by the inmates.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

Yet another example of how RAO is an asylum run by the inmates.


A glimmer of self awareness from our most prolific poster.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

In the near future, look for a graduate program in Krueger Dementia, to be
offered by the University of the Pacific.


I would think that Oakland University would provide the best rest resources
for such study.

wrote:

When discussing the state of Audio, or, anything else with Arny, one
is certain to get some unusual and seemingly incongruent-with-reality
statements. However, it appears that Chef Kroo has a method to his
culinary madness.

Does anyone else out there percieve the unique issues Mr. K brings to
Usenet? Your commentary-hopefully lucid rather than loony-would be most
entertaining.


Ok, you take a cup of extra-bad, concentrated acid attitude, you mix
three table spoons of ascetic salt, half a cup of hate, 0 grams of
self-awareness, 10 hours (a day, every day) of google searching, two
truck loads of cut-and-paste audio knowledge, (we can also call this the
krugerian google competency syndrome) an omniscient, godly perceived
mirror-image to get through the morning shaves, two tea spoonfulls of
drool-wiped-off-from-keyboard, and a sheet of imaginated psychic, almost
nostradamus-like future projection and predcition and manipulation
abilities.

You mix all this together in a bowl, and let it wait some sixty -
seventy years (not sure of this waiting period tho .. Yo! arny, how old
are you?). When the festering (or ferstlering?) period is over you mold
this disgusting, KRUEsome stuff on to a tray. Now comes the important
part: YOU TAKE A HELL OF A LOT OF ........bul****. And fill the mold.

Then you put this ****pile into an oven of hidden agendas, and have it
fester there (or ferstler?) for some 5-10 more years (not sure of this
waiting period tho .. Yo! arny, how long do you intend to torture
humani...err..live?!).

There you have it, Krubarb pie.

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
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Robert Morein wrote:


"JBorg" wrote in message
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Edward M. Shain Jul 27 1999, 12:00 am

[snip]
If I have inadvertently left any off this list who wish to
add
their names, please add your name to the list and repost. The list
is
alphabetical by last name. If I have listed any who believe they're
here in error, please remove your name and repost with a small note
saying you've done so. My apologies to those folk.


This list is solely my responsibility.


Ed

Put me on: Robert Morein.

Consider yourself added to the list. You join many distinguished and
perceptive posters. I'm sure if Ed were still posting here, he'd
definitely approve your application.

It certainly is time for the list to be updated, since so many posters
that have come along since 1999 have also had "A Bad Krueger
Experience".


I have essayed extensively on application of L. Sprague DeCamp's
"Right Man"
theory of despotic human behavior to Krueger's behavior.

In the near future, look for a graduate program in Krueger Dementia,
to be
offered by the University of the Pacific.


What will be the entrance requirements for applicants to this program,
Bob? Am I correct in assuming that one of them will be a B.S. in B.S.
(Bull S***) degree earned through online "studies" and Google searches?
(especially ones that lie).

What other requirements for admission?

Will the program be awarding the coveted M.S. (More S***), and Ph.D.
(Piled Higher and Deeper)?

The discreditation requirements have not yet been formulated.
We're considering offering it to individuals who cannot meet the admission
requirements for the specialization in the latter years of Ezra Pound.