I was watching some clips from The Beatles "Let It Be" and kept
noticing the small mikes they were using on vocals. I am told they were
some kind of small AKG tube mic, made for broadcast (so as not to
obscure the singer view). Anyone know what they are and if they are
still around?

Thanks
TH

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I was watching some clips from The Beatles "Let It Be" and kept
noticing the small mikes they were using on vocals. I am told they were
some kind of small AKG tube mic, made for broadcast (so as not to
obscure the singer view). Anyone know what they are and if they are
still around?

I don't have that video to reference, but when you say "small" and "tube"
and "AKG" in the same sentence regarding that era, I would have to guess
c-60's

Neil Henderson

in article ,
at wrote on 1/11/05 9:23 PM:

I was watching some clips from The Beatles "Let It Be" and kept
noticing the small mikes they were using on vocals. I am told they were
some kind of small AKG tube mic, made for broadcast (so as not to
obscure the singer view). Anyone know what they are and if they are
still around?

If they were tube it would be the original AKG CMS system -

C60 preamp, probably the CK1 cardiod capsule
and VR-2 extension tube between the capsule and preamp.
http://www.akg.com/products/powersla...,706,_language,
EN.html

The C61 preamp was a nuvistor version of the pre
The C451 pre was a fet transistor version of the pre
CK capsules and VR extension tubes worked on all these preamps

Not made anymore. capsules and preamps easy to find.
Extension tubes not so easy.

Hey thanks guys. The video clips are in "The Beatles Anthology," and
the mics are used for the vocals. I was listening to the DVD under
headphones and was knocked by the vocal quality from these little mics.
Tom H

in article ,
at wrote on 1/12/05 12:12 AM:

Hey thanks guys. The video clips are in "The Beatles Anthology," and
the mics are used for the vocals. I was listening to the DVD under
headphones and was knocked by the vocal quality from these little mics.
Tom H


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wrote:
I was watching some clips from The Beatles "Let It Be" and kept
noticing the small mikes they were using on vocals. I am told they were
some kind of small AKG tube mic, made for broadcast (so as not to
obscure the singer view). Anyone know what they are and if they are
still around?

Thanks
TH


I think that was a C-28

Hans

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In article .com,
wrote:
I was watching some clips from The Beatles "Let It Be" and kept
noticing the small mikes they were using on vocals. I am told they were
some kind of small AKG tube mic, made for broadcast (so as not to
obscure the singer view). Anyone know what they are and if they are
still around?

That sounds like the AKG C-60.

The basic evolution is that the C-60 was replaced with the solid state
C-451, which used the same capsules. Those got replaced with the C-460
which used a slightly different capsule design and transformerless electronics
that had some problems. This has recently been supplanted by the C-480
which has much cleaner transformerless electronics.
--scott

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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Well, I dig Aerovons
Looky what's up on eBay"
Hey thanks for the kind words and the link!

TH

JP Gerard wrote:

I suggest you AB that mic vs. a Schoeps of any (reasonable) vintage with an
MK4 capsule (flat cardioid).

I think the difference will be quite obvious, especially as soon as the
ambient SPL crosses the 100dB mark...

Also, if you talk in each mic, you'll notice a slightly weird, hard to
describe effect with the 460, not present with the Schoeps - much more
direct and natural.

My own perception is that the C460 actually sounds worse than the C451,
while the C480 sounds better than either. OTOH, the Jim Williams
modified C460 is a sleeper, and often cheaper than a C480.

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ha

Animix wrote:
What problem are you referring to? I've got a C460B/CK1 and I've noticed no
problems/distortion/wierdness.......at all. I have heard others refer to
these *problems* but have never heard them specified.

The best way to hear it is to borrow a C480B (or a modified C460B) and compare with your own capsule.

$175 to Audio Upgrades will get you a *much* cleaner sounding microphone.

Animix wrote:
What problem are you referring to? I've got a C460B/CK1 and I've noticed no
problems/distortion/wierdness.......at all. I have heard others refer to
these *problems* but have never heard them specified.

Harshness in the top octave. Worse at higher sound levels. Try the
key jingle test and see if you don't notice it.
--scott

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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
wrote:
I was watching some clips from The Beatles "Let It Be" and kept
noticing the small mikes they were using on vocals. I am told they were
some kind of small AKG tube mic, made for broadcast (so as not to
obscure the singer view). Anyone know what they are and if they are
still around?

That sounds like the AKG C-60.

The basic evolution is that the C-60 was replaced with the solid state
C-451, which used the same capsules. Those got replaced with the C-460
which used a slightly different capsule design and transformerless
electronics
that had some problems. This has recently been supplanted by the C-480
which has much cleaner transformerless electronics.
--scott

I have a C460, but no capsule. Haven't bothered with a capsule because it
"has some problems' but wonder if there is anything to do that can address
those 'problems'. Or is it fundmental ?

geoff

Geoff Wood wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
wrote:
I was watching some clips from The Beatles "Let It Be" and kept
noticing the small mikes they were using on vocals. I am told they were
some kind of small AKG tube mic, made for broadcast (so as not to
obscure the singer view). Anyone know what they are and if they are
still around?

That sounds like the AKG C-60.

The basic evolution is that the C-60 was replaced with the solid state
C-451, which used the same capsules. Those got replaced with the C-460
which used a slightly different capsule design and transformerless
electronics
that had some problems. This has recently been supplanted by the C-480
which has much cleaner transformerless electronics.

I have a C460, but no capsule. Haven't bothered with a capsule because it
"has some problems' but wonder if there is anything to do that can address
those 'problems'. Or is it fundmental ?

There are reports here (some earlier in this thread, even) that Jim Williams
from Audio Upgrades has a fix for them.
--scott

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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Dorsey wrote:
Geoff Wood wrote:

I have a C460, but no capsule. Haven't bothered with a capsule because it
"has some problems' but wonder if there is anything to do that can address
those 'problems'. Or is it fundmental ?


There are reports here (some earlier in this thread, even) that Jim Williams
from Audio Upgrades has a fix for them.

Unless "has some problems" mean it doesn't work right now. One of the bodies I bought had a broken former on its power supply transformer (tiny little switching coil.) $42 for the part plus freight from AKG. Jim installed when he was doing the upgrade.

Scott Dorsey wrote:

There are reports here (some earlier in this thread, even) that Jim Williams
from Audio Upgrades has a fix for them.

So I'll say it again, that the JW mod'd 460's seem more accurate to me
than my new Schoeps CMC6 MK4 mics. The Schoeps sound fabulous, but
perhaps slightly euphonic. Mind you, if one sounds no better than I do
this is not necessarily a bad thing.

Jim WIlliams is a pretty open guy and might even just tell someone what
he does. I think he rips out the tranny and stuffs new electronics into
the 460. Whatever, it works and for what it costs to buy a used C460 and
get his mod, it's a bargain bigger than all eBay. g

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"hank alrich" wrote in message
.. .

The Schoeps sound fabulous, but perhaps slightly euphonic.

Hank, that's a curious wording...it seems to imply that you think "euphonic"
is a bad thing. What exactly do you mean when you say "euphonic"?

Hal Laurent
Baltimore

Hal Laurent wrote:
"hank alrich" wrote in message
.. .

The Schoeps sound fabulous, but perhaps slightly euphonic.

Hank, that's a curious wording...it seems to imply that you think
"euphonic"
is a bad thing. What exactly do you mean when you say "euphonic"?

Hal Laurent
Baltimore

Has anyone tried the mohave audio tube conversion kit for the mxl 603?
I've heard a lot of good things about the tube conversion kit for the
mxl 2001, but have to wait for my next paycheck to get the kit.

wrote:
I was watching some clips from The Beatles "Let It Be" and kept
noticing the small mikes they were using on vocals. I am told they were
some kind of small AKG tube mic, made for broadcast (so as not to
obscure the singer view). Anyone know what they are and if they are
still around?

The following is a Letter to the Editor from Mix magazine, May 2004. The
letter was written by Chad Shapiro. he sheds some light on the subject.
http://mixonline.com/mag/audio_lette..._33/index.html

"MYSTERY MIC

In the January 2004 issue of Mix, the article “Let It Be…Naked” states
that The Beatles' last concert used the Neumann KM84i for vocal mics.
They wouldn't have [had] a KM84i, as the “i” stands for a U.S. export
version of the mic with an XLR connector instead of Tuchel. Those are
AKG C28s, which also offered a capsule extension rod. The available
Neumann extension rod was not nearly as long as some of the available
AKG C28 extensions. You see the AKG C28 in quite a few Beatles sessions
from this era. If you look at pictures from the rooftop concert, the mic
body is about twice as long as a Neumann KM84.
Chad Shapiro"

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Eric

www.Raw-Tracks.com

JP-
I've thought about recapping mine, too. How do you get it open?
Thanks
Kurt


JP Gerard wrote:
I agree.

I've also had good success replacing the ceramic caps in my 451s with
PP or
PE types; also, you can (OK, it's fiddly) change the FET for a better
one,
after rebias you can get a slightly better S/N ratio.

Hal Laurent wrote:

"hank alrich" wrote:

The Schoeps sound fabulous, but perhaps slightly euphonic.

Hank, that's a curious wording...it seems to imply that you think "euphonic"
is a bad thing. What exactly do you mean when you say "euphonic"?

I mean that they seem to me to have some kind of beneficial coloration,
beneficial in the sense of slightly enhancing something about the
source, kind of like the difference between the Millennia preamps and
the Great River NV series.

And like I said, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. I really like them.
If the dollar ever grows up again against the Euro (yeah, riiiiight) I'd
like to get another pair of bodies and the MK41 caps. "Dream along with
me..."

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ha