Walter Sear, however, is trying to make it better.


From a recent interview:

Q. Over the years Sear Sound has been in three different locations-16
or 17 years each in two of the cases. What's motivated you to survive
these and more recent changes in the industry, such as the rise of
digital recording and home studios?

A: The idea that we can make it better, but that the rest of the word
is fighting me and trying to make it worse. And it is. The music
delivery system for the last 19 years has been far worse than the old
vinyl discs. I ran a seminar at AES a few years ago, I found an LP and
a CD-same material, same master tape, same mastering engineer. I put
them on simultaneously ad we cross faded back and forth. At the end, I
said, how many like this? 150 engineers' hands went up. How many like
this? And zero hands went up. It's shooting fish in a barrel. Anytime
you A/B even the worst recorded, worst pressed LP and compare it to any
CD, there is instantly (a difference), just like with vacuum tube mic
pre's.



Is Walter Sear a nut or is he essentially correct? While I doubt that
the "worst recorded, worst pressed" LP is really better than a good
CD-or even a cassette tape, there were some incredibly bad albums out
there in the late 70's-I believe he is much more right than wrong.

And his work proves it, in my opinion. When the anti-analog, antitube
zealots can produce the quality of work Mr.Sear, 73, a former tuba
player, does, I will be more motivated to listen.

wrote in news:1105416504.770784.249440
@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:


Walter Sear, however, is trying to make it better.

And his work proves it, in my opinion. When the anti-analog, antitube
zealots can produce the quality of work Mr.Sear, 73, a former tuba
player, does, I will be more motivated to listen.



Please explain how it came to be that when the Mercury Living Presence
recordings were to be re-released on CD, no one could tell the difference
between the master tapes and the CD in a blind AB test.

http://www.themusiclab.net/aespaper.pdf

"After completing the masters for the first ten releases on CD, we decided to
set up listening sessions for the press at the Edison Studios. This would
give them the ability to A/B the manufactured CD’s with the original
recordings for direct comparison. On June 21, 1990, representatives of the
major audio magazines and the audiophile press gathered at the PolyGram
Studios in Edison, New Jersey. After two separate sessions of blind A/B
comparisons between the CD reissues and the original master tapes, these
critical listeners were unable to consistently identify the source."

Now that these recordings are available on SACD, they can do one thing that
is quite impossible for an LP or a CD to do and that is to reproduce the
sound that is in the center channel. This discrete center channel was how it
was originally recorded so many years ago.

r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

R wrote:
wrote in news:1105416504.770784.249440
@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:


Walter Sear, however, is trying to make it better.

And his work proves it, in my opinion. When the anti-analog,
antitube
zealots can produce the quality of work Mr.Sear, 73, a former tuba
player, does, I will be more motivated to listen.



Please explain how it came to be that when the Mercury Living
Presence
recordings were to be re-released on CD, no one could tell the
difference
between the master tapes and the CD in a blind AB test.

http://www.themusiclab.net/aespaper.pdf

"After completing the masters for the first ten releases on CD, we
decided to
set up listening sessions for the press at the Edison Studios. This
would
give them the ability to A/B the manufactured CD's with the
original
recordings for direct comparison. On June 21, 1990, representatives
of the
major audio magazines and the audiophile press gathered at the
PolyGram
Studios in Edison, New Jersey. After two separate sessions of blind
A/B
comparisons between the CD reissues and the original master tapes,
these
critical listeners were unable to consistently identify the source."


Now that these recordings are available on SACD, they can do one
thing that
is quite impossible for an LP or a CD to do and that is to reproduce
the
sound that is in the center channel. This discrete center channel
was how it
was originally recorded so many years ago.

r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

So, each of you has presented some data arguing in favor of one format
or the other. From the description given, Mr. Sear had a sample size
of about 150, which statistially speaking, is probably pretty
significant depending on what type of statistical analysis (e.g. chi
square test) he performed, if he did any. What was the sample size in
the Mercury CD comparisons? You may or may not be aware of the fact
that some of the Mercury Living Presence LPs have been reissued on 180
gram vinyl - under the supervision of Bob Fine's widow directly. (I
have atr least one of them). You also have not mentioned, nor has Mr.
Sear, what analogue playback equipment or what digital playback
equipment was used in making this comparison. There are just too many
unanswered questions re. the methodology used in these comparisons to
form any significant conclusions.

I'd be willing to speculate that as with many debates, people can and
will find data supporing their point of view, while ignoring that
refuting it. Such is the nature of the biases we all have.

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in
oups.com:


R wrote:
wrote in news:1105416504.770784.249440
@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:


Walter Sear, however, is trying to make it better.

And his work proves it, in my opinion. When the anti-analog,
antitube
zealots can produce the quality of work Mr.Sear, 73, a former tuba
player, does, I will be more motivated to listen.



Please explain how it came to be that when the Mercury Living
Presence
recordings were to be re-released on CD, no one could tell the
difference
between the master tapes and the CD in a blind AB test.

http://www.themusiclab.net/aespaper.pdf

"After completing the masters for the first ten releases on CD, we
decided to
set up listening sessions for the press at the Edison Studios. This
would
give them the ability to A/B the manufactured CD's with the
original
recordings for direct comparison. On June 21, 1990, representatives
of the
major audio magazines and the audiophile press gathered at the
PolyGram
Studios in Edison, New Jersey. After two separate sessions of blind
A/B
comparisons between the CD reissues and the original master tapes,
these
critical listeners were unable to consistently identify the source."


Now that these recordings are available on SACD, they can do one
thing that
is quite impossible for an LP or a CD to do and that is to reproduce
the
sound that is in the center channel. This discrete center channel
was how it
was originally recorded so many years ago.

r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

So, each of you has presented some data arguing in favor of one format
or the other. From the description given, Mr. Sear had a sample size
of about 150, which statistially speaking, is probably pretty
significant depending on what type of statistical analysis (e.g. chi
square test) he performed, if he did any. What was the sample size in
the Mercury CD comparisons? You may or may not be aware of the fact
that some of the Mercury Living Presence LPs have been reissued on 180
gram vinyl - under the supervision of Bob Fine's widow directly. (I
have atr least one of them). You also have not mentioned, nor has Mr.
Sear, what analogue playback equipment or what digital playback
equipment was used in making this comparison. There are just too many
unanswered questions re. the methodology used in these comparisons to
form any significant conclusions.

I'd be willing to speculate that as with many debates, people can and
will find data supporing their point of view, while ignoring that
refuting it. Such is the nature of the biases we all have.


I do believe that the answers to your questions are in the JAES paper.
Failing that, Dennis Drake should be available to answer any question you
may have. His contact info is at http://www.themusiclab.net/

Do not assume I am a anti-vinyl bigot. I am not. Personally I refuse to
deal with the very real disadvantages of the LP medium over CD. What
disadvantages? Disadvantages like size, fragility, the time required for
the cleaning ritual, and the added expense to name a few. I will likely
never own another bit of vinyl again no matter how good or bad it sounds.
I you happen to have a higher threshold of pain than I, then by all means
listen to vinyl. Far be it from me to ruin your enjoyment of music.

The truth of the matter is that CDs, when properly mastered, are
indistiguishable from the analog master tapes. Some might complain that
the master tapes don't sound as good as LP and in which case accuracy
isn't what is desired at all.

I do attempt to look at the facts in a matter and if one can find a
document from a qualified engineering journal that declares the findings
of the previously mentioned paper invalid, I would certainly like to see
it. To date I have not found anything critical of the recordings, the
methods, or the subsequent findings.


r

wrote in message
oups.com

Walter Sear, however, is trying to make it better.

From a recent interview:

Q. Over the years Sear Sound has been in three different locations-16
or 17 years each in two of the cases. What's motivated you to survive
these and more recent changes in the industry, such as the rise of
digital recording and home studios?

A: The idea that we can make it better, but that the rest of the word
is fighting me and trying to make it worse. And it is. The music
delivery system for the last 19 years has been far worse than the old
vinyl discs. I ran a seminar at AES a few years ago, I found an LP and
a CD-same material, same master tape, same mastering engineer. I put
them on simultaneously ad we cross faded back and forth. At the end, I
said, how many like this? 150 engineers' hands went up. How many like
this? And zero hands went up. It's shooting fish in a barrel. Anytime
you A/B even the worst recorded, worst pressed LP and compare it to
any CD, there is instantly (a difference), just like with vacuum tube
mic pre's.

Is Walter Sear a nut or is he essentially correct?

He's nuts. He says crazy things like "the worst recorded, worst pressed LP"
is preferable to the best CD.

While I doubt that
the "worst recorded, worst pressed" LP is really better than a good
CD-or even a cassette tape, there were some incredibly bad albums out
there in the late 70's-I believe he is much more right than wrong.

He's incredibly more wrong than right. This is the 21st century. If you
don't like how CDs from the store sound you make your own in your living
room or bedroom.

As far as his vacuum tube mic pres go, he's wrong about that as well.

And his work proves it, in my opinion.

He's obviously a very poor recording engineer if he can't get good sound out
of modern digital equipment.

When the anti-analog, antitube zealots can produce the quality of work
Mr.Sear, 73, a former tuba
player, does, I will be more motivated to listen.

That's your opinon, Cal. After the mess you made of your analysis of PC
audio analysis equipment, you simply don't have any more credibility to
throw away like this.

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
oups.com

So, each of you has presented some data arguing in favor of one format
or the other. From the description given, Mr. Sear had a sample size
of about 150, which statistially speaking, is probably pretty
significant depending on what type of statistical analysis (e.g. chi
square test) he performed, if he did any. What was the sample size in
the Mercury CD comparisons?

Unfortunately for you Bruce, those aren't the only master tape/CD format
comparisons that have been made. So, if you're going to talk about
statitstics on the Sear side of the story, you have to talk about the
statistics on the digital side of the story.

These days just about anybody can compare the sound of music from an analog
system with the same sound digitized. You don't have to be Mercury records
or Walter Sear to do it. When the comparison is done right, the results are
pretty consistent - good digital is sonically transparent. You can take
music, do a quality job of digitizing it using way less than $1K worth of
equipment, and compare it to the origional music. No difference.

When Walter Sears talks, its just the whining of an old dog that doesn't
seem to want to learn new tricks.

"R" wrote in message


I do believe that the answers to your questions are in the JAES paper.
Failing that, Dennis Drake should be available to answer any question
you may have. His contact info is at http://www.themusiclab.net/

The key paragraph from AES preprint 3242 posted at
http://www.themusiclab.net/aespaper.pdf is:

"After completing the masters for the first ten releases on CD, we decided
to set up listening sessions for the press at the Edison Studios. This would
give them the ability to A/B the manufactured CD's with the original
recordings for direct comparison. On June 21, 1990, representatives of the
major audio magazines and the audiophile press gathered at the PolyGram
Studios in Edison, New Jersey. After two separate sessions of blind A/B
comparisons between the CD reissues and the original master tapes, these
critical listeners were unable to consistently identify the source. (1-3)"

Acording to a footnote in the AES paper, information about the digitizing
and comparisons was previously puplished in consumer publications:

(3) Harry Pearson, "The Gods Reincarnated: The Mercury Olympian Series Lives
Again," the absolute sound,
pp. 136-144 (Nov./Dec. 1990).
(4) Arthur S. Pfeffer, "The Living Presence CDs," the absolute sound,pp.
146-158 (Nov./Dec. 1990).
(5) Ron McDonald, "Mercury's Presents," Fanfare, pp. 112-117 (Jan./Feb.
1991).

The truth of the matter is that CDs, when properly mastered, are
indistiguishable from the analog master tapes. Some might complain
that the master tapes don't sound as good as LP and in which case
accuracy isn't what is desired at all.

Agreed. We know that LPs and CDs as a rule are differently mastered and that
masterting is an artistic process that changes how recordings sound. But
people like Walter Sears are clearly targeting their comments at the
formats, not the mastering.

I do attempt to look at the facts in a matter and if one can find a
document from a qualified engineering journal that declares the
findings of the previously mentioned paper invalid, I would certainly
like to see it. To date I have not found anything critical of the
recordings, the methods, or the subsequent findings.

One of the ironies about this is that there are cases where later papers
declare the findings of previous papers invalid. Unfortunately Bruce
Richman still clutches his tattered copy of the Russell Hamm JAES paper
close to his chest.

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:33:18 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

wrote in message
roups.com

Walter Sear, however, is trying to make it better.

From a recent interview:

Q. Over the years Sear Sound has been in three different locations-16
or 17 years each in two of the cases. What's motivated you to survive
these and more recent changes in the industry, such as the rise of
digital recording and home studios?

A: The idea that we can make it better, but that the rest of the word
is fighting me and trying to make it worse. And it is. The music
delivery system for the last 19 years has been far worse than the old
vinyl discs. I ran a seminar at AES a few years ago, I found an LP and
a CD-same material, same master tape, same mastering engineer. I put
them on simultaneously ad we cross faded back and forth. At the end, I
said, how many like this? 150 engineers' hands went up. How many like
this? And zero hands went up. It's shooting fish in a barrel. Anytime
you A/B even the worst recorded, worst pressed LP and compare it to
any CD, there is instantly (a difference), just like with vacuum tube
mic pre's.

Is Walter Sear a nut or is he essentially correct?

He's nuts. He says crazy things like "the worst recorded, worst pressed LP"
is preferable to the best CD.

That's your opinion, Arnold. After all of your ignorant preference
bashing, we all know how to take that opinion.

But you're just here for fun, right?

BTW, there *is* a physical tape, whether Sander knows about it or not.

Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com

Walter Sear, however, is trying to make it better.

From a recent interview:

Q. Over the years Sear Sound has been in three different
locations-16
or 17 years each in two of the cases. What's motivated you to
survive
these and more recent changes in the industry, such as the rise of
digital recording and home studios?

A: The idea that we can make it better, but that the rest of the
word
is fighting me and trying to make it worse. And it is. The music
delivery system for the last 19 years has been far worse than the
old
vinyl discs. I ran a seminar at AES a few years ago, I found an LP
and
a CD-same material, same master tape, same mastering engineer. I
put
them on simultaneously ad we cross faded back and forth. At the
end, I
said, how many like this? 150 engineers' hands went up. How many
like
this? And zero hands went up. It's shooting fish in a barrel.
Anytime
you A/B even the worst recorded, worst pressed LP and compare it to
any CD, there is instantly (a difference), just like with vacuum
tube
mic pre's.

Is Walter Sear a nut or is he essentially correct?

He's nuts. He says crazy things like "the worst recorded, worst
pressed LP"
is preferable to the best CD.

Your inability to decipher hyperboly is noted.



While I doubt that
the "worst recorded, worst pressed" LP is really better than a good
CD-or even a cassette tape, there were some incredibly bad albums
out
there in the late 70's-I believe he is much more right than wrong.

He's incredibly more wrong than right.

So says the tin eared nobody about the proven pro. What a joke.


This is the 21st century.

Did reality change with the new century Arny? You keep harping on a
mile stone that claerly had no effect on audio. Did CDs magically get
better on new years eve 1999?


If you
don't like how CDs from the store sound you make your own in your
living
room or bedroom.

Really? So we all have access to master tapes of our favorite titles?



As far as his vacuum tube mic pres go, he's wrong about that as well.

So says the nobody about the proven pro.



And his work proves it, in my opinion.

He's obviously a very poor recording engineer if he can't get good
sound out
of modern digital equipment.

You are obviously an idiot. You cannot possibly be familiar with the
man's work and say such a stupid thing.



When the anti-analog, antitube zealots can produce the quality of
work
Mr.Sear, 73, a former tuba
player, does, I will be more motivated to listen.

That's your opinon, Cal. After the mess you made of your analysis of
PC
audio analysis equipment, you simply don't have any more credibility
to
throw away like this.

I bet you haven't knowingly heard Sear's work. I bet you didn't even
know who he was before this thread. You keep making such an ass of
yourself. Thank you for the entertainment.

Scott Wheeler

wrote in message
oups.com
Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com

Walter Sear, however, is trying to make it better.

From a recent interview:

Q. Over the years Sear Sound has been in three different
locations-16 or 17 years each in two of the cases. What's motivated
you to survive these and more recent changes in the industry, such
as the rise of digital recording and home studios?

A: The idea that we can make it better, but that the rest of the
word is fighting me and trying to make it worse. And it is. The
music delivery system for the last 19 years has been far worse than
the old vinyl discs. I ran a seminar at AES a few years ago, I
found an LP and a CD-same material, same master tape, same
mastering engineer. I
put
them on simultaneously ad we cross faded back and forth. At the
end, I
said, how many like this? 150 engineers' hands went up. How many
like this? And zero hands went up. It's shooting fish in a barrel.
Anytime you A/B even the worst recorded, worst pressed LP and
compare it to any CD, there is instantly (a difference), just like
with vacuum tube mic pre's.

Is Walter Sear a nut or is he essentially correct?

He's nuts. He says crazy things like "the worst recorded, worst
pressed LP" is preferable to the best CD.

Your inability to decipher hyperboly is noted.

Since there is no such thing as hyperboly, my inability to decipher it is
normal.

But, I'm going to take a risk here and deduce that maybe, just maybe Scott,
you meant hyperbole.

It's bad hyperbole because in the crazy world of vinyl bigots, it might even
be a believable statement. Hyperbole only works if it is obviously
hyperbole. In the context he said it, it might be believed.

While I doubt that
the "worst recorded, worst pressed" LP is really better than a good
CD-or even a cassette tape, there were some incredibly bad albums
out there in the late 70's-I believe he is much more right than
wrong.

He's incredibly more wrong than right.

So says the tin eared nobody about the proven pro. What a joke.

Well Scott, it's pretty clear that you are too young to have gone through
one of life's more important experiences. Its the one where some of your
heroes turn out to be bozos. This guy is a bozo. You'll learn this as you
grow up and mature into a man.


This is the 21st century.

Roger, and in the 21st century vinyl is legacy media, and meat for the
turntablist's platter.

Did reality change with the new century Arny?

Reality changes as every infinitesimal fraction of time passes, Scott.

You keep harping on a
mile stone that claerly had no effect on audio.

Gee Scott, if you're such good buddies with Marc Phillips why can't you get
into his English Composition class?

Did CDs magically get better on new years eve 1999?

Yes they did, but they were already better than LPs since about 1982 or so.

If you
don't like how CDs from the store sound you make your own in your
living room or bedroom.

Really? So we all have access to master tapes of our favorite titles?

Never said that Scott. I'd think that a guy with your much-vanted Hollywood
connections could get some good stuff to play with or some good people to
record.

As far as his vacuum tube mic pres go, he's wrong about that as well.

So says the nobody about the proven pro.

See former comments about heroes becoming bozos.

And his work proves it, in my opinion.

He's obviously a very poor recording engineer if he can't get good
sound out of modern digital equipment.

You are obviously an idiot.

OSAF.

You cannot possibly be familiar with the man's work and say such a stupid
thing.

I've probably heard some of his stuff, and it probably sounded pretty good.
However, he himself has in effect said that he can't get good
sound out of modern digital equipment. I'm just taking him at his own word.

I bet you haven't knowingly heard Sear's work.

It's true that I listen to most music for enjoyment, not to memorize the
liner notes.

bet you didn't even know who he was before this thread.

I win that bet, Scott. But thanks for once again demonstrating your
ignorance and arrogance.

Here's proof:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...79389aa3e67aa9

You keep making such an ass of
yourself. Thank you for the entertainment.

I laugh last...

;-)

Scott Wheeler

dave weil wrote:

Oh ! One more time empty-handed, Nice-Guy ?
Perhaps it is not the best season to fish like that. ;-)

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:27:42 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil wrote:

Oh ! One more time empty-handed, Nice-Guy ?
Perhaps it is not the best season to fish like that. ;-)

Well, you got reeled in right on schedule, didn't you?

dave weil wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:27:42 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil wrote:

Oh ! One more time empty-handed, Nice-Guy ?
Perhaps it is not the best season to fish like that. ;-)

Well, you got reeled in right on schedule, didn't you?

'Cause I am fishing an other species, which need punctuality. :-)

wrote in message
oups.com...

Walter Sear, however, is trying to make it better.


From a recent interview:

Q. Over the years Sear Sound has been in three different locations-16
or 17 years each in two of the cases. What's motivated you to survive
these and more recent changes in the industry, such as the rise of
digital recording and home studios?

A: The idea that we can make it better, but that the rest of the word
is fighting me and trying to make it worse. And it is. The music
delivery system for the last 19 years has been far worse than the old
vinyl discs. I ran a seminar at AES a few years ago, I found an LP and
a CD-same material, same master tape, same mastering engineer. I put
them on simultaneously ad we cross faded back and forth. At the end, I
said, how many like this? 150 engineers' hands went up. How many like
this? And zero hands went up. It's shooting fish in a barrel. Anytime
you A/B even the worst recorded, worst pressed LP and compare it to any
CD, there is instantly (a difference), just like with vacuum tube mic
pre's.



Is Walter Sear a nut or is he essentially correct?

A nut, either that or deaf.

While I doubt that
the "worst recorded, worst pressed" LP is really better than a good
CD-or even a cassette tape, there were some incredibly bad albums out
there in the late 70's-I believe he is much more right than wrong.


It's a free country, you can believe what you want. The fact is that there
have enough comparisons to the master tape of CD's and LP's showing that the
CD is indistinguisable from the master.


And his work proves it, in my opinion. When the anti-analog, antitube
zealots can produce the quality of work Mr.Sear, 73, a former tuba
player, does, I will be more motivated to listen.

Then go listen, since he is clearly blowing smoke.

"R" wrote in message
. 1...
wrote in news:1105416504.770784.249440
@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:


Walter Sear, however, is trying to make it better.

And his work proves it, in my opinion. When the anti-analog, antitube
zealots can produce the quality of work Mr.Sear, 73, a former tuba
player, does, I will be more motivated to listen.



Please explain how it came to be that when the Mercury Living Presence
recordings were to be re-released on CD, no one could tell the difference
between the master tapes and the CD in a blind AB test.

http://www.themusiclab.net/aespaper.pdf

"After completing the masters for the first ten releases on CD, we decided
to
set up listening sessions for the press at the Edison Studios. This would
give them the ability to A/B the manufactured CD's with the original
recordings for direct comparison. On June 21, 1990, representatives of the
major audio magazines and the audiophile press gathered at the PolyGram
Studios in Edison, New Jersey. After two separate sessions of blind A/B
comparisons between the CD reissues and the original master tapes, these
critical listeners were unable to consistently identify the source."

Now that these recordings are available on SACD, they can do one thing
that
is quite impossible for an LP or a CD to do and that is to reproduce the
sound that is in the center channel. This discrete center channel was how
it
was originally recorded so many years ago.

r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.


Is that the sound of Cal's balloon being popped?

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
oups.com...

R wrote:
wrote in news:1105416504.770784.249440
@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:


Walter Sear, however, is trying to make it better.

And his work proves it, in my opinion. When the anti-analog,
antitube
zealots can produce the quality of work Mr.Sear, 73, a former tuba
player, does, I will be more motivated to listen.



Please explain how it came to be that when the Mercury Living
Presence
recordings were to be re-released on CD, no one could tell the
difference
between the master tapes and the CD in a blind AB test.

http://www.themusiclab.net/aespaper.pdf

"After completing the masters for the first ten releases on CD, we
decided to
set up listening sessions for the press at the Edison Studios. This
would
give them the ability to A/B the manufactured CD's with the
original
recordings for direct comparison. On June 21, 1990, representatives
of the
major audio magazines and the audiophile press gathered at the
PolyGram
Studios in Edison, New Jersey. After two separate sessions of blind
A/B
comparisons between the CD reissues and the original master tapes,
these
critical listeners were unable to consistently identify the source."


Now that these recordings are available on SACD, they can do one
thing that
is quite impossible for an LP or a CD to do and that is to reproduce
the
sound that is in the center channel. This discrete center channel
was how it
was originally recorded so many years ago.

r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

So, each of you has presented some data arguing in favor of one format
or the other. From the description given, Mr. Sear had a sample size
of about 150, which statistially speaking, is probably pretty
significant depending on what type of statistical analysis (e.g. chi
square test) he performed, if he did any. What was the sample size in
the Mercury CD comparisons? You may or may not be aware of the fact
that some of the Mercury Living Presence LPs have been reissued on 180
gram vinyl - under the supervision of Bob Fine's widow directly. (I
have atr least one of them). You also have not mentioned, nor has Mr.
Sear, what analogue playback equipment or what digital playback
equipment was used in making this comparison. There are just too many
unanswered questions re. the methodology used in these comparisons to
form any significant conclusions.

I'd be willing to speculate that as with many debates, people can and
will find data supporing their point of view, while ignoring that
refuting it. Such is the nature of the biases we all have.

Perhaps some more research into what's already discovered would benefit the
anti-digital folks. Clearly their view is at odds with the known facts.

Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com
Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com

Walter Sear, however, is trying to make it better.

From a recent interview:

Q. Over the years Sear Sound has been in three different
locations-16 or 17 years each in two of the cases. What's
motivated
you to survive these and more recent changes in the industry,
such
as the rise of digital recording and home studios?

A: The idea that we can make it better, but that the rest of the
word is fighting me and trying to make it worse. And it is. The
music delivery system for the last 19 years has been far worse
than
the old vinyl discs. I ran a seminar at AES a few years ago, I
found an LP and a CD-same material, same master tape, same
mastering engineer. I
put
them on simultaneously ad we cross faded back and forth. At the
end, I
said, how many like this? 150 engineers' hands went up. How many
like this? And zero hands went up. It's shooting fish in a
barrel.
Anytime you A/B even the worst recorded, worst pressed LP and
compare it to any CD, there is instantly (a difference), just
like
with vacuum tube mic pre's.

Is Walter Sear a nut or is he essentially correct?

He's nuts. He says crazy things like "the worst recorded, worst
pressed LP" is preferable to the best CD.

Your inability to decipher hyperboly is noted.

Since there is no such thing as hyperboly, my inability to decipher
it is
normal.

"Definately"



But, I'm going to take a risk here and deduce that maybe, just maybe
Scott,
you meant hyperbole.

Big risk for a small mind. Congradulations on negotiating a simple
spelling error. This must be a proud moment for you.



It's bad hyperbole because in the crazy world of vinyl bigots, it
might even
be a believable statement.

Just becuaes you didn't recognize it for what it was doesn't mean
others will make the same mistake.

Hyperbole only works if it is obviously
hyperbole.

It was obvious.

In the context he said it, it might be believed.

In your twisted mind perhaps.



While I doubt that
the "worst recorded, worst pressed" LP is really better than a
good
CD-or even a cassette tape, there were some incredibly bad albums
out there in the late 70's-I believe he is much more right than
wrong.

He's incredibly more wrong than right.

So says the tin eared nobody about the proven pro. What a joke.

Well Scott, it's pretty clear that you are too young to have gone
through
one of life's more important experiences. Its the one where some of
your
heroes turn out to be bozos. This guy is a bozo. You'll learn this as
you
grow up and mature into a man.

More posturing dude. Actually he's a proven pro with a track record.
You are a bozo.



This is the 21st century.

Roger, and in the 21st century vinyl is legacy media, and meat for
the
turntablist's platter.

So says the tin eared nobody.



Did reality change with the new century Arny?

Reality changes as every infinitesimal fraction of time passes,
Scott.

I guess the meaning of the question went right over your head, as
usual.



You keep harping on a
mile stone that claerly had no effect on audio.

Gee Scott, if you're such good buddies with Marc Phillips why can't
you get
into his English Composition class?

Oops, you managed to negotiate one spelling error but now you make an
ass of yourself with the claim that a typo is an error in English. I
guess we cannot expect better from a guy who went to a third tier
college. The point went right over your head.





Did CDs magically get better on new years eve 1999?

Yes they did,

LOL that about says it all. OK Arny you believe that CDs magically got
better on new years eve 1999.


but they were already better than LPs since about 1982 or so.

So says the tin earred nobody who believes CDs magically got better on
new years eve 1999. Yeah, you have credibility.



If you
don't like how CDs from the store sound you make your own in your
living room or bedroom.

Really? So we all have access to master tapes of our favorite
titles?

Never said that Scott. I'd think that a guy with your much-vanted
Hollywood
connections could get some good stuff to play with or some good
people to
record.

I probably could but you said: "If you don't like how CDs from the
store sound you make your own in your living room or bedroom." Given
your hatred for vinyl how do you propose people do this without access
to master tapes? Sorry the logic left you behind. Maybe I should
explain everything in detail with small words and simple sentences?




As far as his vacuum tube mic pres go, he's wrong about that as
well.

So says the nobody about the proven pro.

See former comments about heroes becoming bozos.

See former comments about who is a proven pro and who is a bozo, bozo.



And his work proves it, in my opinion.

He's obviously a very poor recording engineer if he can't get good
sound out of modern digital equipment.

You are obviously an idiot.

OSAF.

Nope. Proven fact.




You cannot possibly be familiar with the man's work and say such a
stupid
thing.

I've probably heard some of his stuff,

Probably.


and it probably sounded pretty good.

It may have. I doubt you really appreciated that fact though.


However, he himself has in effect said that he can't get good
sound out of modern digital equipment. I'm just taking him at his
own word.

No you aren't. You are picking and chosing his words to suit your
agenda. If you were actually taking him at his word you would accept
his position on the subject of LP vs. CD sound. I would expect more
from someone who thought their position was actually legitimate.



I bet you haven't knowingly heard Sear's work.

It's true that I listen to most music for enjoyment, not to memorize
the
liner notes.

bet you didn't even know who he was before this thread.

I win that bet, Scott. But thanks for once again demonstrating your
ignorance and arrogance.

Here's proof:


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...79389aa3e67aa9


A link that doesn't work is proof?


You keep making such an ass of
yourself. Thank you for the entertainment.

I laugh last...

;-)

Only because you live your life on Usenet. Nothing to be proud of Arny.


Scott Wheeler

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:55:51 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:27:42 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil wrote:

Oh ! One more time empty-handed, Nice-Guy ?
Perhaps it is not the best season to fish like that. ;-)

Well, you got reeled in right on schedule, didn't you?

'Cause I am fishing an other species, which need punctuality. :-)

No no, you don't get it. In my analogy, you are the fish.

Try to keep it straight.

But you can't spoil my mood - I just got my normal 2nd row ticket to
Elvis Costello at the Ryman in March using presale. Now I don't have
to spend time on Saturday at the grocery store's Ticketmaster
location.

dave weil wrote:

But you can't spoil my mood - I just got my normal 2nd row ticket to
Elvis Costello at the Ryman in March using presale. Now I don't have
to spend time on Saturday at the grocery store's Ticketmaster
location.

Only one ticket for a nice concert ? IMHO it's sad. :-(

dave weil a écrit :
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:55:51 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


dave weil wrote:


On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:27:42 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


dave weil wrote:

Oh ! One more time empty-handed, Nice-Guy ?
Perhaps it is not the best season to fish like that. ;-)

Well, you got reeled in right on schedule, didn't you?

'Cause I am fishing an other species, which need punctuality. :-)


No no, you don't get it. In my analogy, you are the fish.

Your analogies are like your statistics, they suck. :-)

Michael McKelvy wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

Walter Sear, however, is trying to make it better.


From a recent interview:

Q. Over the years Sear Sound has been in three different
locations-16
or 17 years each in two of the cases. What's motivated you to
survive
these and more recent changes in the industry, such as the rise of
digital recording and home studios?

A: The idea that we can make it better, but that the rest of the
word
is fighting me and trying to make it worse. And it is. The music
delivery system for the last 19 years has been far worse than the
old
vinyl discs. I ran a seminar at AES a few years ago, I found an LP
and
a CD-same material, same master tape, same mastering engineer. I
put
them on simultaneously ad we cross faded back and forth. At the
end, I
said, how many like this? 150 engineers' hands went up. How many
like
this? And zero hands went up. It's shooting fish in a barrel.
Anytime
you A/B even the worst recorded, worst pressed LP and compare it to
any
CD, there is instantly (a difference), just like with vacuum tube
mic
pre's.



Is Walter Sear a nut or is he essentially correct?

A nut, either that or deaf.

You are just making an ass of yourself here Mikey.



While I doubt that
the "worst recorded, worst pressed" LP is really better than a good
CD-or even a cassette tape, there were some incredibly bad albums
out
there in the late 70's-I believe he is much more right than wrong.


It's a free country, you can believe what you want. The fact is that
there
have enough comparisons to the master tape of CD's and LP's showing
that the
CD is indistinguisable from the master.

Really? How many have you made? Looks like you are picking and chosing
your comparisons to fit your belief. There have been quite a few such
comparisons made by the pros with quite the opposite results.




And his work proves it, in my opinion. When the anti-analog,
antitube
zealots can produce the quality of work Mr.Sear, 73, a former tuba
player, does, I will be more motivated to listen.

Then go listen, since he is clearly blowing smoke.
You are making an ass of yourself again.


Scott Wheeler

wrote in message
oups.com...

Michael McKelvy wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

Walter Sear, however, is trying to make it better.


From a recent interview:

Q. Over the years Sear Sound has been in three different
locations-16
or 17 years each in two of the cases. What's motivated you to
survive
these and more recent changes in the industry, such as the rise of
digital recording and home studios?

A: The idea that we can make it better, but that the rest of the
word
is fighting me and trying to make it worse. And it is. The music
delivery system for the last 19 years has been far worse than the
old
vinyl discs. I ran a seminar at AES a few years ago, I found an LP
and
a CD-same material, same master tape, same mastering engineer. I
put
them on simultaneously ad we cross faded back and forth. At the
end, I
said, how many like this? 150 engineers' hands went up. How many
like
this? And zero hands went up. It's shooting fish in a barrel.
Anytime
you A/B even the worst recorded, worst pressed LP and compare it to
any
CD, there is instantly (a difference), just like with vacuum tube
mic
pre's.



Is Walter Sear a nut or is he essentially correct?

A nut, either that or deaf.

You are just making an ass of yourself here Mikey.



While I doubt that
the "worst recorded, worst pressed" LP is really better than a good
CD-or even a cassette tape, there were some incredibly bad albums
out
there in the late 70's-I believe he is much more right than wrong.


It's a free country, you can believe what you want. The fact is that
there
have enough comparisons to the master tape of CD's and LP's showing
that the
CD is indistinguisable from the master.

Really? How many have you made? Looks like you are picking and chosing
your comparisons to fit your belief. There have been quite a few such
comparisons made by the pros with quite the opposite results.

List them.


And his work proves it, in my opinion. When the anti-analog,
antitube
zealots can produce the quality of work Mr.Sear, 73, a former tuba
player, does, I will be more motivated to listen.

Then go listen, since he is clearly blowing smoke.
You are making an ass of yourself again.


Everybody I know that has actually copied an LP to a CD has said the same
thing, they are indistinguishable. There have a few right here on RAO and
RAHE that have said the same thing.

I'm always willing to look at other evidence, do you have any?

wrote in message
ups.com

Arny Krueger wrote:


I bet you haven't knowingly heard Sear's work.

It's true that I listen to most music for enjoyment, not to memorize the
liner notes.

bet you didn't even know who he was before this thread.

I win that bet, Scott. But thanks for once again demonstrating your
ignorance and arrogance.

Here's proof:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...79389aa3e67aa9

A link that doesn't work is proof?

When you learn how to use that newfangled, non-vacuum-tubed computer Scott,
the link will work.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
ups.com

Arny Krueger wrote:


I bet you haven't knowingly heard Sear's work.

It's true that I listen to most music for enjoyment, not to memorize the
liner notes.

bet you didn't even know who he was before this thread.

I win that bet, Scott. But thanks for once again demonstrating your
ignorance and arrogance.

Here's proof:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...79389aa3e67aa9

A link that doesn't work is proof?


Worked for me. Here's what it said:
Arny Krueger Jul 2 2004, 5:11 am show options

Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
From: "Arny Krueger" - Find messages by this author
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:11:33 -0400
Local: Fri, Jul 2 2004 5:11 am
Subject: Does audio quality still matter?
Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show
original | Report Abuse

"Sam Byrams" wrote in message
om



There will always be a hardcore group that wants, for lack of a better
term, "The ****":i.e. the genuine, unpolluted real article. That's why
there is-or should be-a serious audio business and then what they have
at WalMart.


How do you define "a serious audio business"?

Is seriousness a state of mind or a state of equipment? Can it be estimated
from the number of digits in the budget, or the number of decades in
continuous operation with no significant technical changes?



For those of you that get-and it's free, you should-"Tape op"
magazine, Walter Sear has a good interview in the current issue. Make
no mistake: Tape Op caters largely to the lo-fi, DIY, Pro Tools loving
segment of the recording industry/hobby.


Note gratuitous slam of more modern technology than the retro-tech of Walter
Sears.. Admittedly Pro Tools is pretty retro-tech all by itself, but
compared to Walter Sear's digs, its as modern as today's newspaper.


Nonetheless: Walter Sear has a nice tagline.
"The Recorded Sound Sucks-We're Trying to Make It Better"


If his web site is any indication of his thinking, his proposed solution
will be a return to the 70s and 80s.

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:27:36 +0100, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:

dave weil wrote:

But you can't spoil my mood - I just got my normal 2nd row ticket to
Elvis Costello at the Ryman in March using presale. Now I don't have
to spend time on Saturday at the grocery store's Ticketmaster
location.

Only one ticket for a nice concert ? IMHO it's sad. :-(

Not really. I'll know about 30 people there (some from as far away as
Canada), and my best friend in town will be one seat over (by
coincidence). I'll also see a random number of locals that I know.

If you're worried about my love life, don't be. I rarely take a date
to a concert if there are reserved tickets. Personal preference, you
see. If it's a club show with tables, that's a different story. I
really get into the music and that can be a little disconcerting to a
companion when sitting in a "concert setting", but it's no big deal if
we're sitting with friends at a table. I get better tickets going solo
as well. Don't worry, I'll be part of a pre-and-post concert get
together with a bunch of friends. Plus, I'll tell Elvis hi for you.

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:38:17 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil a écrit :
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:55:51 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


dave weil wrote:


On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:27:42 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


dave weil wrote:

Oh ! One more time empty-handed, Nice-Guy ?
Perhaps it is not the best season to fish like that. ;-)

Well, you got reeled in right on schedule, didn't you?

'Cause I am fishing an other species, which need punctuality. :-)


No no, you don't get it. In my analogy, you are the fish.

Your analogies are like your statistics, they suck. :-)

When you can't figure them out even when they're easy, I guess that's
true.

dave weil wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:27:36 +0100, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:

dave weil wrote:

But you can't spoil my mood - I just got my normal 2nd row ticket to
Elvis Costello at the Ryman in March using presale. Now I don't have
to spend time on Saturday at the grocery store's Ticketmaster
location.

Only one ticket for a nice concert ? IMHO it's sad. :-(

Not really. I'll know about 30 people there (some from as far away as
Canada), and my best friend in town will be one seat over (by
coincidence). I'll also see a random number of locals that I know.

If you're worried about my love life, don't be.

"Worried" isn't a pertinent word.

I rarely take a date
to a concert if there are reserved tickets. Personal preference, you
see. If it's a club show with tables, that's a different story. I
really get into the music and that can be a little disconcerting to a
companion when sitting in a "concert setting", but it's no big deal if
we're sitting with friends at a table. I get better tickets going solo
as well. Don't worry, I'll be part of a pre-and-post concert get
together with a bunch of friends. Plus, I'll tell Elvis hi for you.

Since I haven't listened something from him since 78, the participation to a
pre-and-post concert would be a little bit uncomfortable for me. ;-)

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:47:52 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:27:36 +0100, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:

dave weil wrote:

But you can't spoil my mood - I just got my normal 2nd row ticket to
Elvis Costello at the Ryman in March using presale. Now I don't have
to spend time on Saturday at the grocery store's Ticketmaster
location.

Only one ticket for a nice concert ? IMHO it's sad. :-(

Not really. I'll know about 30 people there (some from as far away as
Canada), and my best friend in town will be one seat over (by
coincidence). I'll also see a random number of locals that I know.

If you're worried about my love life, don't be.

"Worried" isn't a pertinent word.

Good. I'd hate to see you lose sleep or get distracted when the Missus
is in the mood.

I rarely take a date
to a concert if there are reserved tickets. Personal preference, you
see. If it's a club show with tables, that's a different story. I
really get into the music and that can be a little disconcerting to a
companion when sitting in a "concert setting", but it's no big deal if
we're sitting with friends at a table. I get better tickets going solo
as well. Don't worry, I'll be part of a pre-and-post concert get
together with a bunch of friends. Plus, I'll tell Elvis hi for you.

Since I haven't listened something from him since 78, the participation to a
pre-and-post concert would be a little bit uncomfortable for me. ;-)

I don't know what one has to do with the other.

Just so you know, he's actually done some interesting stuff since his
second album.

In fact, I think his latest album reached number one on the classical
charts (which means it probably sold 3,000 copies). He even has Jo-el
Sonier on accordion on one of his albums.

You *do* know that his keyboard player lives in your beautiful country
and lives with one of your more interesting artists, Muriel Teodori,
right? I KNOW that you won't be impressed that he's also Vanessa
Paradis' musical director though. You WILL like the fact that he
occasionally plays accordion.

dave weil a écrit :
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:38:17 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


dave weil a écrit :

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:55:51 +0100, Lionel
wrote:



dave weil wrote:



On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:27:42 +0100, Lionel
wrote:



dave weil wrote:

Oh ! One more time empty-handed, Nice-Guy ?
Perhaps it is not the best season to fish like that. ;-)

Well, you got reeled in right on schedule, didn't you?

'Cause I am fishing an other species, which need punctuality. :-)


No no, you don't get it. In my analogy, you are the fish.

Your analogies are like your statistics, they suck. :-)


When you can't figure them out even when they're easy, I guess that's
true.

Why are you trying to make an ass of yourself on more time ?

dave weil a écrit :
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:47:52 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


dave weil wrote:


On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:27:36 +0100, in rec.audio.opinion you wrote:


dave weil wrote:


But you can't spoil my mood - I just got my normal 2nd row ticket to
Elvis Costello at the Ryman in March using presale. Now I don't have
to spend time on Saturday at the grocery store's Ticketmaster
location.

Only one ticket for a nice concert ? IMHO it's sad. :-(

Not really. I'll know about 30 people there (some from as far away as
Canada), and my best friend in town will be one seat over (by
coincidence). I'll also see a random number of locals that I know.

If you're worried about my love life, don't be.

"Worried" isn't a pertinent word.


Good. I'd hate to see you lose sleep or get distracted when the Missus
is in the mood.


I rarely take a date
to a concert if there are reserved tickets. Personal preference, you
see. If it's a club show with tables, that's a different story. I
really get into the music and that can be a little disconcerting to a
companion when sitting in a "concert setting", but it's no big deal if
we're sitting with friends at a table. I get better tickets going solo
as well. Don't worry, I'll be part of a pre-and-post concert get
together with a bunch of friends. Plus, I'll tell Elvis hi for you.

Since I haven't listened something from him since 78, the participation to a
pre-and-post concert would be a little bit uncomfortable for me. ;-)


I don't know what one has to do with the other.

Just so you know, he's actually done some interesting stuff since his
second album.

In fact, I think his latest album reached number one on the classical
charts (which means it probably sold 3,000 copies). He even has Jo-el
Sonier on accordion on one of his albums.

You *do* know that his keyboard player lives in your beautiful country
and lives with one of your more interesting artists, Muriel Teodori,
right? I KNOW that you won't be impressed that he's also Vanessa
Paradis' musical director though. You WILL like the fact that he
occasionally plays accordion.

I'm always stonished by the number of things you know Dave. Sincerely
you are my prefered encyclopedia. ;-)
Even Krueger has never tried to flaunt so much knowledge in a so short
sentence.
We have a proverb here that I will try to translate you :
"The culture is like confiture the less you have the more you spread it".

The world is full of "most insteresting" artists Dave, you sound like an
high-school student here... Nothing new.

dave weil a écrit :

If you're worried about my love life, don't be.

"Worried" isn't a pertinent word.


Good. I'd hate to see you lose sleep or get distracted when the Missus
is in the mood.

LOL, I missed this one.
Dave you aren't married and you even speak like Ol'Papa.

In the end you have done the good choice, routine would have kill your
wife. ;-)

Paul Dormer a écrit :
"Lionel" emitted :


But you can't spoil my mood - I just got my normal 2nd row ticket to
Elvis Costello at the Ryman in March using presale. Now I don't have
to spend time on Saturday at the grocery store's Ticketmaster
location.

Only one ticket for a nice concert ? IMHO it's sad. :-(


Need someone to hold your hand?

No... to share my emotions.
Remember me what's your job ?

S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t
-----------------------------------
It's Grim down south..

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
ink.net
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
ups.com

Arny Krueger wrote:


I bet you haven't knowingly heard Sear's work.

It's true that I listen to most music for enjoyment, not to
memorize the liner notes.

bet you didn't even know who he was before this thread.

I win that bet, Scott. But thanks for once again demonstrating your
ignorance and arrogance.

Here's proof:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...79389aa3e67aa9

A link that doesn't work is proof?


Worked for me. Here's what it said:

quotes from a post by me to another


For those of you that get-and it's free, you should-"Tape op"
magazine, Walter Sear has a good interview in the current issue. Make
no mistake: Tape Op caters largely to the lo-fi, DIY, Pro Tools
loving segment of the recording industry/hobby.

Note gratuitous slam of more modern technology than the retro-tech of
Walter Sears.. Admittedly Pro Tools is pretty retro-tech all by
itself, but compared to Walter Sear's digs, its as modern as today's
newspaper.

Nonetheless: Walter Sear has a nice tagline.
"The Recorded Sound Sucks-We're Trying to Make It Better"


If his web site is any indication of his thinking, his proposed
solution will be a return to the 70s and 80s.

Bottom line, I made detailed references to Walter Sears and his web site
back in July.

Therefore, Scott loses his bet that I didn't know who Walter Sears was
before today.

I suspect that Scott could access the Google web page, but is lying to
avoid admitting that he was wrong.

Mr. Middius said:

dave weil said:

BTW, there *is* a physical tape, whether Sander knows about it or not.

That's what I was told also. Arnii, how's the ****ing garbage on your
****ing lawn these days? ;-)

"Bull****! Bull****!"

Boon

Paul Dormer a écrit :
"Lionel" emitted :


But you can't spoil my mood - I just got my normal 2nd row ticket to
Elvis Costello at the Ryman in March using presale. Now I don't have
to spend time on Saturday at the grocery store's Ticketmaster
location.

Only one ticket for a nice concert ? IMHO it's sad. :-(


Need someone to hold your hand?

No... to share my emotions.


Why.. what happens to them if you are not accompanied by an adult? ;-)

Sorry but I share my "emotions" only with adult persons.
Don't tell me that you prefer teenagers ? )

Paul Dormer a écrit :
"Lionel" emitted :


But you can't spoil my mood - I just got my normal 2nd row ticket to
Elvis Costello at the Ryman in March using presale. Now I don't have
to spend time on Saturday at the grocery store's Ticketmaster
location.

Only one ticket for a nice concert ? IMHO it's sad. :-(


Need someone to hold your hand?

No... to share my emotions.


Why.. what happens to them if you are not accompanied by an adult? ;-)

Sorry but I share my "emotions" only with adult persons.


Would this include your parents?

???
Are you qualified to put such questions ?
Lord, we are surrounded.

Don't tell me that you prefer teenagers ? )


OK. I didn't put that idea in your head either.

The subject has been raised many times on RAO and I prefer to be prudent
and cut short potential misunderstandings. ;-)


S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t
-----------------------------------
It's Grim down south..

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:40:52 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil a écrit :

If you're worried about my love life, don't be.

"Worried" isn't a pertinent word.


Good. I'd hate to see you lose sleep or get distracted when the Missus
is in the mood.

LOL, I missed this one.
Dave you aren't married and you even speak like Ol'Papa.

In the end you have done the good choice, routine would have kill your
wife. ;-)

Or, more importantly, ME.

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:28:03 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

You *do* know that his keyboard player lives in your beautiful country
and lives with one of your more interesting artists, Muriel Teodori,
right? I KNOW that you won't be impressed that he's also Vanessa
Paradis' musical director though. You WILL like the fact that he
occasionally plays accordion.

I'm always stonished by the number of things you know Dave. Sincerely
you are my prefered encyclopedia. ;-)
Even Krueger has never tried to flaunt so much knowledge in a so short
sentence.
We have a proverb here that I will try to translate you :
"The culture is like confiture the less you have the more you spread it".

The world is full of "most insteresting" artists Dave, you sound like an
high-school student here... Nothing new.

I never said "most interesting", so you're wrong.

Again.

Paul Dormer wrote:

"Lionel" emitted :

But you can't spoil my mood - I just got my normal 2nd row ticket
to Elvis Costello at the Ryman in March using presale. Now I don't
have to spend time on Saturday at the grocery store's Ticketmaster
location.

Only one ticket for a nice concert ? IMHO it's sad. :-(


Need someone to hold your hand?

No... to share my emotions.


Why.. what happens to them if you are not accompanied by an adult? ;-)

Sorry but I share my "emotions" only with adult persons.


Would this include your parents?

???
Are you qualified to put such questions ?

What qualifications does one require? Perhaps an emoticon would have
helped you out.. but I'm "Gagman" remember.

[You can have that.. regardless of meaning you intended.. ]

In fact I imagine you like rather like that :OP


Anyway.. I'm just querying why you're such a namby-pamby that you need
to be accompanied to concerts by your parents, or whoever.

You are speaking like a recently emencipated Midinette, Paulo. The gal who
is craving to narrate her last *exiting* adventures to the classmates.
Do you really want to share with us your last titillating concert
experience ?

dave weil wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:28:03 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

You *do* know that his keyboard player lives in your beautiful country
and lives with one of your more interesting artists, Muriel Teodori,
right? I KNOW that you won't be impressed that he's also Vanessa
Paradis' musical director though. You WILL like the fact that he
occasionally plays accordion.

I'm always stonished by the number of things you know Dave. Sincerely
you are my prefered encyclopedia. ;-)
Even Krueger has never tried to flaunt so much knowledge in a so short
sentence.
We have a proverb here that I will try to translate you :
"The culture is like confiture the less you have the more you spread it".

The world is full of "most insteresting" artists Dave, you sound like an
high-school student here... Nothing new.

I never said "most interesting", so you're wrong.

Ok you are right but is there a big deep difference between :

1- one of your more interesting artists
and
2- one of your most insteresting artists

Again.

Ok, I am defeated, laminated. But if you have carefully read the above you
would have understood that I had already granted you this victory.
You win an accordion.