It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger, RAO's most
widely despised and hated poster, can't tear himself away from his
computer terminal before generating new attack threads about others.
This latest atempt to eliminate any and all legitimate efforts to
expose the dishonesty inherent in McKelvy's recent bogus proposal is
both predictable and idiotic - 2 traits frequehntly found in Krueger's
paranoia-driven posts. As he has done for over 7 years, this mentally
ill hatemonger once again rambles about conspiracy theories involving
Middius - another one of his extremely delusional notions not supported
by any evidence. It's worth that, for the most part, only another
pathological flamer, Lionel "The Idiot" Chapuis, bothered to respond to
Krueger's latest insane ravings. Losers like these 2 of nothing to
offer to anybody other than those who, at one time in hiistory, would
visit insane asylums to watch the mentally ill "perform" faor them.
Krueger & Lionel are a modern-day version of ewhat happens when 2
severely diseased cretins are given access to a keyboard by their
handlers. As all can see, it's hard to find a rational thought or
credible word between the two of them.

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
oups.com

It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger, RAO's
most widely despised and hated poster, can't tear himself away from
his computer terminal before generating new attack threads about
others.

Ironically, this is the first post in a new personal attack thread that was
started by one Bruce J. Richman. I also note that is at least his second new
personal attack thread for just today.

Most people who watch RAO know that I rarely start new threads. AFAIK, the
last new thread from me was started on 1/6/2005 and was about Monster
Cable - obviously audio-related and not a personal attack thread.

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
oups.com

It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger, RAO's
most widely despised and hated poster, can't tear himself away from
his computer terminal before generating new attack threads about
others.

Ironically, this is the first post in a new personal attack thread
that was
started by one Bruce J. Richman. I also note that is at least his
second new
personal attack thread for just today.

Most people who watch RAO know that I rarely start new threads.
AFAIK, the
last new thread from me was started on 1/6/2005 and was about Monster

Cable - obviously audio-related and not a personal attack thread.

Actually, the Google clearly shows that Krueger has repeatedly, over a
7 year period, started attack threads, using the names of many of his
enemies in those threads. Krueger, as is his habitm, neglects to
mention the obvious fact, that when I start an attack thread, it is in
direct response to one that he has started. Unlike Krueger, I have no
need to try and change the titles of threads started by others simply
to try and eliminate negative information.

BJPompousAss howled:


Actually, the Google clearly shows that Krueger has repeatedly, over
a
7 year period, started attack threads,


Care to offer some _actual proof_ of your allegation, BJ?


Brian T. Middius (a proud member of the Middius family of anonymous
Usenet trolls)

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
oups.com...

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
oups.com

It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger, RAO's
most widely despised and hated poster, can't tear himself away from
his computer terminal before generating new attack threads about
others.

Ironically, this is the first post in a new personal attack thread
that was
started by one Bruce J. Richman. I also note that is at least his
second new
personal attack thread for just today.

Most people who watch RAO know that I rarely start new threads.
AFAIK, the
last new thread from me was started on 1/6/2005 and was about Monster

Cable - obviously audio-related and not a personal attack thread.

Actually, the Google clearly shows that Krueger has repeatedly, over a
7 year period, started attack threads, using the names of many of his
enemies in those threads.

How many? Name them.

Krueger, as is his habitm, neglects to
mention the obvious fact, that when I start an attack thread, it is in
direct response to one that he has started.

Then why are there more of yours?

Unlike Krueger, I have no
need to try and change the titles of threads started by others simply
to try and eliminate negative information.

Liar.

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger, RAO's most
widely despised and hated poster,


As a relatively new poster in RAO I have been trying to find out who is
who, etc, and at this juncture I'd like to contribute my two cents of worth.

1) Yes, Arni Krueger's most talented and accomplished trait seems to be
arousing hatred, very much a keen, acute almost ACID hatred even within
the context of a somewhat trivial, vain, non-essential, non-political
and luxurious realm of subject as music and high-end audio. This for me,
is a most surprising phenomenon that really would need some sound
analysis. Here you have a bunch of normal, music loving, highend
hobbying dudes and an anomaly, a bizarre entity that just isn't
explainable, that just seems to exist to bring up hate, to create hate
within people! Curious.

I am sure that if this ****borg would play god as he does in some
political or religious context he would imminently attain first hand
experience as to how ba-ad a bad-blood he conjures up in people.


this mentally
ill hatemonger once again rambles about conspiracy theories involving
Middius

A telling example of what I state above.. "Middius" seems to be a
democrat type of "thinking" person, concerned about social welfare and
well being, etc, he seems to have some clever traits, an imaginative,
though somewhat wiggly pen, enlightened views on things, etc. But at the
same time, this quite the "normal" and educated character exhibits an
unhealthy dose of hatred and obsession against the ****borg
(understandably so).

Me, yes, I hate his very existence, and I am sorry to have to exist in
the same universe with this ****borg, unfortunately, I cannot pinpoint
as to why I take such an obvious idiot seriously enough to hate it,
since I cannot execute a truly objective analysis on my own feelings.


As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be that
he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons, etc,
misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness and the situation has
deteriorated further by the inherent impaired communication environment
of the usenet discussion groups... Just what he has said or done in
history to have him be the fourth (or fifth?) most hated character here,
I have not yet figured it out. I have no time for google searches and
researches so I guess the situation will just have to present itself in
the making ..

McKelvy: Well, I think the daft duh!mikey is just that: stupid,
defective, dim-witted, dumdum, dumduck, dummy, feeble-minded, gorked,
half-witted, held back, imbecile, retarded, slow or non-witted... He
doesn't lie or offend on purpose or with any given *intent*, you see, he
is just too stupid to really comprehend what he says, too damaged to
really understand what others are trying to say to him, and too
monkey-like to "intend" on doing something or another. His "lies" might
be the product of childish spite.

He writes like a human, sometimes, and he obviously is able to use a
computer, but these kinds of "abilities" are pretty much habitually
obtainable by humans. I can't really pinpoint the source of his
delinquency (obviously), some form of an autistic defect that inhibits
his perceptions after a certain point of complication and demand on
analysis, perhaps, a trained professional psychologist might enlighten
us here.

Anyways, just my two cents of woth.

Delusional Cretin @ aol.com babbled:



BJPompousAss howled:


Actually, the Google clearly shows that Krueger has repeatedly,
over
a
7 year period, started attack threads,


Care to offer some _actual proof_ of your allegation, BJ?


Brian T. Middius (a proud member of the Middius family of anonymous
Usenet trolls)(deluded sockpuppet with no identity)

Here are a few recent examples, just for the braindamaged sockpuppet
bloviating above and McKelvy:


Richman Wants Krueger Dead!
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message




Clyde Slick wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
news

Arnii, why haven't you killed yourself yet?
Because that would put an end to his suffering,
and that's the last thing on his mind.
The day that your observation is *literally* true will be declared an
International Internet Newsgroup Holiday.



All things being equal Bruce, you'll predecease me. My regrets to you
and
your family.


And here's anothe of many Krueger Attack Threads:



Richman's support for his psychological diagnosis of Krueger is a
sock-puppet of a furniture importer!
Arny Kr=FCger Jun 7 1999, 12:00 am show options

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Date: 1999/06/07
Subject: Richman's support for his psychological diagnosis of Krueger
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Arny Kruger continues his flames:

take this to be a grand joke on non-technical "experts" like
Richman who spend so much time and money gilding dead, rotten
lillies, and then waste even more time defending this by attacking
their technological betters on RAO.
Yet another set of egocentric, psychopathic rantings and ravings
from RAO's
major purveyor of snot and conflict.


This twisted and sick computer geek, unable as he is to engage in
rational
conversation or civilized disagreement - has nothing better to do -
especially
when confronted with his own woeful ineptness in interpersonal
relationships -
than to try and use his knowledge of electronics (such as it is -
and
discredited by *real* engineers such as Pete Goudreau and others) -
to justify
his existence.


Let's review Kruger's pompous and false *credentials* of how he is
*better*
(his word - not mine):


Expertise in the following:


(1) Deliberate substitution of one poster's name for anothers (e.g.
Rothman -
Richman) - so as to give false meaning to threads.



BJ, I admitted and apologized for that. What is sick and twisted is
you bringing this up again and again.


(2) Long history of snipping posts, changing words in them, and
other selective
editing jobs - all done to try and fool RAO readers unfamiliar with
his *style*
and to deliberately try and change the meaning of what others have


said.

Just trying to manage the rant level on RAO.




(3) A series of embarassing mistatements re. both engineering
issues, high-end
publications (all can refer to his cowardly and slanderous attacks
on
Stereophile), and now, as Rothman as correctly pointed out, on
high-end
establishments.


Revisionist history. Rothman claimed that NHT was not a high end
brand. He claimed that Ken Kantor (co founder of NHT) agreed with
him. The truth came out and now you and Rothman is now trying to
revise history so it would seem like it never happened.



When challenged - what does this sadistic troller do? He
simply tries to change the printed content of what was said by
snipping,
changing words, selective editing - and when all else fails, tries
to hide
behind purposely chosen dictionary definitions of words which he
thinks only he
understands.


What a pack of deceptons. I simply use whatever dictionary is at
hand. I do edit irrelevant content out. I presume that definitions
from well-known dictionaries can be understood by most people. I do
write discussions of how those definitions of the words at hand.



(4) As in the Martin-Logan thread and numerous others, tries to
promote his
agenda of intimidation, personal attacks, and above all the
elimination of all
statements of personal preference re. audio gear - BY DELIBERATELY
PLACING
RATIONAL DISCUSSION OF GEAR SECOND - AND PERSONAL ATTACKS FIRST.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

All readers can note that there is an almost 5 year time span between
these 2 attack threads generated by Krueger with myh name in them.
Needless to say, many more exampls of this type of deviant behavior by
Krueger exist, also.

It seems that delusional cretin sockpuppet has once again slipped in
his own vomit.

LOL !!!!

Michael McKelvy wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
oups.com...

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
oups.com

It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger,
RAO's
most widely despised and hated poster, can't tear himself away
from
his computer terminal before generating new attack threads about
others.

Ironically, this is the first post in a new personal attack thread
that was
started by one Bruce J. Richman. I also note that is at least his
second new
personal attack thread for just today.

Most people who watch RAO know that I rarely start new threads.
AFAIK, the
last new thread from me was started on 1/6/2005 and was about
Monster

Cable - obviously audio-related and not a personal attack thread.

Actually, the Google clearly shows that Krueger has repeatedly,
over a
7 year period, started attack threads, using the names of many of
his
enemies in those threads.

How many? Name them.


See response to sockpuppet defender of Krueger in this thread for
examples of just 2 - written aomost 5 years apart. How many timrs have
you told the truth about my identity? Name them.

You're blowing snmoke, and coming up empty.

Krueger, as is his habitm, neglects to
mention the obvious fact, that when I start an attack thread, it is
in
direct response to one that he has started.

Then why are there more of yours?


Liar. Prove that ther are more than mine with a listing of all attack
threads started by Krueger and attack threads started gy me.
Prove that you're not lyin again.


Unlike Krueger, I have no
need to try and change the titles of threads started by others
simply
to try and eliminate negative information.

Liar.

Bullshiut from McKelvy. The evidence is there in Google for all to
see.

Fella a écrit :

As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be that
he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons, etc,
misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness

This concerns only Dave Weil which is so jealous of my French culture
and inherited refinement that he cannot help to make an ass of himself
when he starts a discussion with me.

(I voluntary omit forget Paul Dormer, an oversophisticated Englishman,
who suffers of the "Perfid Albion genetic alteration"

and the situation has deteriorated further by the inherent impaired
communication environment
of the usenet discussion groups... Just what he has said or done in
history to have him be the fourth (or fifth?) most hated character here

You honor me. :-)

I have not yet figured it out. I have no time for google searches and
researches so I guess the situation will just have to present itself in
the making ..

See you later.

Bruce J. Richman a écrit :

I suggest that you organize your thoughts and your proofs because I'm
afraid that nobody will have the courage to read such garbage.

BJPompousAss croaked:

Delusional Cretin @ aol.com babbled:



BJPompousAss howled:


Actually, the Google clearly shows that Krueger has repeatedly,
over
a
7 year period, started attack threads,


Care to offer some _actual proof_ of your allegation, BJ?


Brian T. Middius (a proud member of the Middius family of anonymous
Usenet trolls)(deluded sockpuppet with no identity)

Here are a few recent examples


Hey, BJ, why don't you just post links that go directly to these
(alleged) posts in the Google archive? It's not that I don't trust you
but..... ;-)

Fella wrote:
Bruce J. Richman wrote:
It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger, RAO's
most
widely despised and hated poster,


As a relatively new poster in RAO I have been trying to find out who
is
who, etc, and at this juncture I'd like to contribute my two cents of
worth.

1) Yes, Arni Krueger's most talented and accomplished trait seems to
be
arousing hatred, very much a keen, acute almost ACID hatred even
within
the context of a somewhat trivial, vain, non-essential, non-political

and luxurious realm of subject as music and high-end audio. This for
me,
is a most surprising phenomenon that really would need some sound
analysis. Here you have a bunch of normal, music loving, highend
hobbying dudes and an anomaly, a bizarre entity that just isn't
explainable, that just seems to exist to bring up hate, to create
hate
within people! Curious.

I am sure that if this ****borg would play god as he does in some
political or religious context he would imminently attain first hand
experience as to how ba-ad a bad-blood he conjures up in people.


For a few sadistic and attetntion-deprived pseudoscientists like
Krueger, eliciting hatred is what they live for. You're quite correct
in assuming that no matter what the topic of discusion or NG, Krueger
would quickly generate the same type of scorn and hostility he has on
RAO. It might interest you to know that on RAHE (rec.audio.high-end),
a moderated newsgroup, he has been banned by the moderators who review
posts before they are published on the Internet. This was done because
Krueger could not control his pathological need to smear others and
hurl personal insults at any and all with whom he disagrees about
almost anything. Others who post there, including myself, have not had
this problem.





this mentally
ill hatemonger once again rambles about conspiracy theories
involving
Middius

A telling example of what I state above.. "Middius" seems to be a
democrat type of "thinking" person, concerned about social welfare
and
well being, etc, he seems to have some clever traits, an imaginative,

though somewhat wiggly pen, enlightened views on things, etc. But at
the
same time, this quite the "normal" and educated character exhibits an

unhealthy dose of hatred and obsession against the ****borg
(understandably so).

Me, yes, I hate his very existence, and I am sorry to have to exist
in
the same universe with this ****borg, unfortunately, I cannot
pinpoint
as to why I take such an obvious idiot seriously enough to hate it,
since I cannot execute a truly objective analysis on my own feelings.




It's probably just the revulsion and disgust that we all feel about a
person that has single-handedly been responsible for more people
leaving RAO, never to return, then any other poster IMHO. The number
of people postin here has decreased drastically since Krueger started
his smear campaigns many yeaqrs ago.



As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be
that
he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons, etc,
misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness and the situation has
deteriorated further by the inherent impaired communication
environment
of the usenet discussion groups... Just what he has said or done in
history to have him be the fourth (or fifth?) most hated character
here,
I have not yet figured it out. I have no time for google searches and

researches so I guess the situation will just have to present itself
in
the making ..


He is quite similar to Krueger in the sense that he has nothing good to
say about anybody, and more importantly, nothing whatsoever to say
about audio subjects. He also has a few unique despicable qualities,
such as frequently voiced anti-Semitic comments directed agaisnt
several RAO posters, and strong support for Hamas suicide bombers whose
actions he justifies by lying about their equivalence to that of the
Israeli army's targeted killing of terrorist militants. AFAIK, even
Krueger and McKelvy, have not used religion as a further tactic to
promote their hatemongering. Only Lionel holds that dubious
distinction. In addition, like Krueger, he has tried to attack as many
different posters as possible. Apparently, he thinks that this will
give him some sort of notoriety that has been missing in his life as a
sewer worker. Also, in common with those that fear the objective
analysis of their online behavior by a person qualified to make that
kind of assessment (moi), he has nothing in his empty ammunition belt
with which to respond, so he tries, unsuccessfully to question the
credentials of people with credentials he envies and misunderstands.




McKelvy: Well, I think the daft duh!mikey is just that: stupid,
defective, dim-witted, dumdum, dumduck, dummy, feeble-minded,
gorked,
half-witted, held back, imbecile, retarded, slow or non-witted...


Jusr a few of the very many accurate descriptions that many on RAO have
attached to this almost brain-dead imbecile.


He
doesn't lie or offend on purpose or with any given *intent*, you see,
he
is just too stupid to really comprehend what he says, too damaged to
really understand what others are trying to say to him, and too
monkey-like to "intend" on doing something or another. His "lies"
might
be the product of childish spite.


That's an interesting hypothsis. His slavish admiration of RAO's rest
widely hated and despised poster *does* suggest that he is indeed too
overwhelmingly stupid to see Krueger as about 95% of the rest of us do.


He writes like a human, sometimes, and he obviously is able to use a
computer, but these kinds of "abilities" are pretty much habitually
obtainable by humans. I can't really pinpoint the source of his
delinquency (obviously), some form of an autistic defect that
inhibits
his perceptions after a certain point of complication and demand on
analysis, perhaps, a trained professional psychologist might
enlighten
us here.

That's already been done. One factor you neglectedd to mention in
your reasonable assessment of McKelvy's many cognitive deficits is an
extreme lack of self-awareness. He continuously projects his own
paranoia-based fabrications on to others, while failing to recognize
his lengthy history of lies and libels, which he stupidly calls
"opinions". He stupidly thinks that if he repeats the same lies over
and over again that somebody other than a few fellow hatemongers will
believe him.









Anyways, just my two cents of woth.

"Bruce J. Richman" said:

It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger, RAO's most
widely despised and hated poster, can't tear himself away from his
computer terminal before generating new attack threads about others.
This latest atempt to eliminate any and all legitimate efforts to
expose the dishonesty inherent in McKelvy's recent bogus proposal is
both predictable and idiotic - 2 traits frequehntly found in Krueger's
paranoia-driven posts. As he has done for over 7 years, this mentally
ill hatemonger once again rambles about conspiracy theories involving
Middius - another one of his extremely delusional notions not supported
by any evidence. It's worth that, for the most part, only another
pathological flamer, Lionel "The Idiot" Chapuis, bothered to respond to
Krueger's latest insane ravings. Losers like these 2 of nothing to
offer to anybody other than those who, at one time in hiistory, would
visit insane asylums to watch the mentally ill "perform" faor them.
Krueger & Lionel are a modern-day version of ewhat happens when 2
severely diseased cretins are given access to a keyboard by their
handlers. As all can see, it's hard to find a rational thought or
credible word between the two of them.

Didn't you read it?
Arny's here only for fun ;-) !

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

One asshole licks the other.....


Bruce J. Richman wrote:
Fella wrote:
Bruce J. Richman wrote:
It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger,
RAO's
most
widely despised and hated poster,


As a relatively new poster in RAO I have been trying to find out
who
is
who, etc, and at this juncture I'd like to contribute my two cents
of
worth.

1) Yes, Arni Krueger's most talented and accomplished trait seems
to
be
arousing hatred, very much a keen, acute almost ACID hatred even
within
the context of a somewhat trivial, vain, non-essential,
non-political

and luxurious realm of subject as music and high-end audio. This
for
me,
is a most surprising phenomenon that really would need some sound
analysis. Here you have a bunch of normal, music loving, highend
hobbying dudes and an anomaly, a bizarre entity that just isn't
explainable, that just seems to exist to bring up hate, to create
hate
within people! Curious.

I am sure that if this ****borg would play god as he does in some
political or religious context he would imminently attain first
hand
experience as to how ba-ad a bad-blood he conjures up in people.


For a few sadistic and attetntion-deprived pseudoscientists like
Krueger, eliciting hatred is what they live for. You're quite
correct
in assuming that no matter what the topic of discusion or NG, Krueger
would quickly generate the same type of scorn and hostility he has on
RAO. It might interest you to know that on RAHE
(rec.audio.high-end),
a moderated newsgroup, he has been banned by the moderators who
review
posts before they are published on the Internet. This was done
because
Krueger could not control his pathological need to smear others and
hurl personal insults at any and all with whom he disagrees about
almost anything. Others who post there, including myself, have not
had
this problem.





this mentally
ill hatemonger once again rambles about conspiracy theories
involving
Middius

A telling example of what I state above.. "Middius" seems to be a
democrat type of "thinking" person, concerned about social welfare
and
well being, etc, he seems to have some clever traits, an
imaginative,

though somewhat wiggly pen, enlightened views on things, etc. But
at
the
same time, this quite the "normal" and educated character exhibits
an

unhealthy dose of hatred and obsession against the ****borg
(understandably so).

Me, yes, I hate his very existence, and I am sorry to have to exist
in
the same universe with this ****borg, unfortunately, I cannot
pinpoint
as to why I take such an obvious idiot seriously enough to hate it,
since I cannot execute a truly objective analysis on my own
feelings.




It's probably just the revulsion and disgust that we all feel about a
person that has single-handedly been responsible for more people
leaving RAO, never to return, then any other poster IMHO. The number
of people postin here has decreased drastically since Krueger started
his smear campaigns many yeaqrs ago.



As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be
that
he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons,
etc,
misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness and the situation
has
deteriorated further by the inherent impaired communication
environment
of the usenet discussion groups... Just what he has said or done in
history to have him be the fourth (or fifth?) most hated character
here,
I have not yet figured it out. I have no time for google searches
and

researches so I guess the situation will just have to present
itself
in
the making ..


He is quite similar to Krueger in the sense that he has nothing good
to
say about anybody, and more importantly, nothing whatsoever to say
about audio subjects. He also has a few unique despicable qualities,
such as frequently voiced anti-Semitic comments directed agaisnt
several RAO posters, and strong support for Hamas suicide bombers
whose
actions he justifies by lying about their equivalence to that of the
Israeli army's targeted killing of terrorist militants. AFAIK, even
Krueger and McKelvy, have not used religion as a further tactic to
promote their hatemongering. Only Lionel holds that dubious
distinction. In addition, like Krueger, he has tried to attack as
many
different posters as possible. Apparently, he thinks that this will
give him some sort of notoriety that has been missing in his life as
a
sewer worker. Also, in common with those that fear the objective
analysis of their online behavior by a person qualified to make that
kind of assessment (moi), he has nothing in his empty ammunition belt
with which to respond, so he tries, unsuccessfully to question the
credentials of people with credentials he envies and misunderstands.




McKelvy: Well, I think the daft duh!mikey is just that: stupid,
defective, dim-witted, dumdum, dumduck, dummy, feeble-minded,
gorked,
half-witted, held back, imbecile, retarded, slow or non-witted...


Jusr a few of the very many accurate descriptions that many on RAO
have
attached to this almost brain-dead imbecile.


He
doesn't lie or offend on purpose or with any given *intent*, you
see,
he
is just too stupid to really comprehend what he says, too damaged
to
really understand what others are trying to say to him, and too
monkey-like to "intend" on doing something or another. His "lies"
might
be the product of childish spite.


That's an interesting hypothsis. His slavish admiration of RAO's
rest
widely hated and despised poster *does* suggest that he is indeed too
overwhelmingly stupid to see Krueger as about 95% of the rest of us
do.


He writes like a human, sometimes, and he obviously is able to use
a
computer, but these kinds of "abilities" are pretty much habitually
obtainable by humans. I can't really pinpoint the source of his
delinquency (obviously), some form of an autistic defect that
inhibits
his perceptions after a certain point of complication and demand on
analysis, perhaps, a trained professional psychologist might
enlighten
us here.

That's already been done. One factor you neglectedd to mention in
your reasonable assessment of McKelvy's many cognitive deficits is an
extreme lack of self-awareness. He continuously projects his own
paranoia-based fabrications on to others, while failing to recognize
his lengthy history of lies and libels, which he stupidly calls
"opinions". He stupidly thinks that if he repeats the same lies over
and over again that somebody other than a few fellow hatemongers will
believe him.









Anyways, just my two cents of woth.


Brian T. Middius (a proud member of the Middius family of anonymous
Usenet trolls)

Fella said:

Me, yes, I hate [Krueger's] very existence, and I am sorry to have to exist in
the same universe with this ****borg, unfortunately, I cannot pinpoint
as to why I take such an obvious idiot seriously enough to hate it,
since I cannot execute a truly objective analysis on my own feelings.

Don't hate him.
Hate is good for nothing.
Ignore him, or make fun of him.
Just don't hate him, he's not worth it.

As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be that
he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons, etc,
misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness and the situation has
deteriorated further by the inherent impaired communication environment
of the usenet discussion groups... Just what he has said or done in
history to have him be the fourth (or fifth?) most hated character here,
I have not yet figured it out. I have no time for google searches and
researches so I guess the situation will just have to present itself in
the making ..

Lionel is more clever than many people think.
Remember: it's easy for an intelligent person to appear stupid, the
reverse doesn't happen.

McKelvy: Well, I think the daft duh!mikey is just that: stupid,
defective, dim-witted, dumdum, dumduck, dummy, feeble-minded, gorked,
half-witted, held back, imbecile, retarded, slow or non-witted... He
doesn't lie or offend on purpose or with any given *intent*, you see, he
is just too stupid to really comprehend what he says, too damaged to
really understand what others are trying to say to him, and too
monkey-like to "intend" on doing something or another. His "lies" might
be the product of childish spite.

Michael has some issues, but he has every right to express his
opinions about audio (or politics, religion etc.) as anyone else.
I wouldn't call him stupid.

Stubborn, yes, and very consistent in his opinions.
But also knowledgeable about loudspeakers.
If only he would post more about that.........

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:34:44 +0100, "Lionel C. Middius"
wrote:

Fella a écrit :

As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be that
he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons, etc,
misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness

This concerns only Dave Weil which is so jealous of my French culture
and inherited refinement that he cannot help to make an ass of himself
when he starts a discussion with me.

The fact that you are misguided shouldn't be held against you. So I
don't.

And actually, I rarely start a conversation with you. So, you're the
tail chasing the dragon.

dave weil a écrit :
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:34:44 +0100, "Lionel C. Middius"
wrote:


Fella a écrit :


As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be that
he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons, etc,
misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness

This concerns only Dave Weil which is so jealous of my French culture
and inherited refinement that he cannot help to make an ass of himself
when he starts a discussion with me.


The fact that you are misguided shouldn't be held against you. So I
don't.

This let you with your insatiable envy. :-)

And actually, I rarely start a conversation with you. So, you're the
tail chasing the dragon.

Seems that you have already too much chasing the dragon, Dave...
I grant you an accordion as consolation prize.

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:41:45 +0100, "Lionel C. Middius"
wrote:

The fact that you are misguided shouldn't be held against you. So I
don't.

This let you with your insatiable envy. :-)

Try again. Sorry to tell you that this doesn't make any sense in
English.

"George M. Middius", YACA, wrote:

This is
what frustrates and angers sane people.


How would you know anything about what angers "sane people", cousin
George?


Brian T. Middius (a proud member of the Middius family of anonymous
Usenet trolls)

George M. Middius said:

Michael has some issues, but he has every right to express his
opinions about audio (or politics, religion etc.) as anyone else.
I wouldn't call him stupid.

That's because you're too nice for your own good.

Actually, I think it is because I've had conversations with him
outside RAO.

Or a combination of both.

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

No, Jahnaten, only an asshole can lick another asshole. You and
BJPompousAss fit the specification perfectly. Now, go swallow a Mpingo
disc and call BJ in the morning. ;-)

Fella (J-10 wannabe) wrote:
Ok this top-poster has declared that anyone and everyone who agrees
about something in RAO are to be declared assholes licking each
other.
Let it be known.



wrote:

One asshole licks the other.....


Bruce J. Richman wrote:

Fella wrote:

Bruce J. Richman wrote:

It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger,

RAO's

most

widely despised and hated poster,


As a relatively new poster in RAO I have been trying to find out

who

is

who, etc, and at this juncture I'd like to contribute my two cents

of

worth.

1) Yes, Arni Krueger's most talented and accomplished trait seems

to

be

arousing hatred, very much a keen, acute almost ACID hatred even

within

the context of a somewhat trivial, vain, non-essential,

non-political

and luxurious realm of subject as music and high-end audio. This

for

me,

is a most surprising phenomenon that really would need some sound
analysis. Here you have a bunch of normal, music loving, highend
hobbying dudes and an anomaly, a bizarre entity that just isn't
explainable, that just seems to exist to bring up hate, to create

hate

within people! Curious.

I am sure that if this ****borg would play god as he does in some
political or religious context he would imminently attain first

hand

experience as to how ba-ad a bad-blood he conjures up in people.


For a few sadistic and attetntion-deprived pseudoscientists like
Krueger, eliciting hatred is what they live for. You're quite

correct

in assuming that no matter what the topic of discusion or NG,
Krueger
would quickly generate the same type of scorn and hostility he has
on
RAO. It might interest you to know that on RAHE

(rec.audio.high-end),

a moderated newsgroup, he has been banned by the moderators who

review

posts before they are published on the Internet. This was done

because

Krueger could not control his pathological need to smear others and
hurl personal insults at any and all with whom he disagrees about
almost anything. Others who post there, including myself, have not

had

this problem.





this mentally
ill hatemonger once again rambles about conspiracy theories

involving

Middius

A telling example of what I state above.. "Middius" seems to be a
democrat type of "thinking" person, concerned about social welfare

and

well being, etc, he seems to have some clever traits, an

imaginative,

though somewhat wiggly pen, enlightened views on things, etc. But

at

the

same time, this quite the "normal" and educated character exhibits

an

unhealthy dose of hatred and obsession against the ****borg
(understandably so).

Me, yes, I hate his very existence, and I am sorry to have to
exist

in

the same universe with this ****borg, unfortunately, I cannot

pinpoint

as to why I take such an obvious idiot seriously enough to hate
it,
since I cannot execute a truly objective analysis on my own

feelings.




It's probably just the revulsion and disgust that we all feel about
a
person that has single-handedly been responsible for more people
leaving RAO, never to return, then any other poster IMHO. The
number
of people postin here has decreased drastically since Krueger
started
his smear campaigns many yeaqrs ago.




As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be

that

he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons,

etc,

misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness and the situation

has

deteriorated further by the inherent impaired communication

environment

of the usenet discussion groups... Just what he has said or done
in
history to have him be the fourth (or fifth?) most hated character

here,

I have not yet figured it out. I have no time for google searches

and

researches so I guess the situation will just have to present

itself

in

the making ..


He is quite similar to Krueger in the sense that he has nothing
good

to

say about anybody, and more importantly, nothing whatsoever to say
about audio subjects. He also has a few unique despicable
qualities,
such as frequently voiced anti-Semitic comments directed agaisnt
several RAO posters, and strong support for Hamas suicide bombers

whose

actions he justifies by lying about their equivalence to that of
the
Israeli army's targeted killing of terrorist militants. AFAIK,
even
Krueger and McKelvy, have not used religion as a further tactic to
promote their hatemongering. Only Lionel holds that dubious
distinction. In addition, like Krueger, he has tried to attack as

many

different posters as possible. Apparently, he thinks that this
will
give him some sort of notoriety that has been missing in his life
as

a

sewer worker. Also, in common with those that fear the objective
analysis of their online behavior by a person qualified to make
that
kind of assessment (moi), he has nothing in his empty ammunition
belt
with which to respond, so he tries, unsuccessfully to question the
credentials of people with credentials he envies and
misunderstands.





McKelvy: Well, I think the daft duh!mikey is just that: stupid,
defective, dim-witted, dumdum, dumduck, dummy, feeble-minded,

gorked,

half-witted, held back, imbecile, retarded, slow or non-witted...


Jusr a few of the very many accurate descriptions that many on RAO

have

attached to this almost brain-dead imbecile.


He

doesn't lie or offend on purpose or with any given *intent*, you

see,

he

is just too stupid to really comprehend what he says, too damaged

to

really understand what others are trying to say to him, and too
monkey-like to "intend" on doing something or another. His "lies"

might

be the product of childish spite.


That's an interesting hypothsis. His slavish admiration of RAO's

rest

widely hated and despised poster *does* suggest that he is indeed
too
overwhelmingly stupid to see Krueger as about 95% of the rest of us

do.


He writes like a human, sometimes, and he obviously is able to use

a

computer, but these kinds of "abilities" are pretty much
habitually
obtainable by humans. I can't really pinpoint the source of his
delinquency (obviously), some form of an autistic defect that

inhibits

his perceptions after a certain point of complication and demand
on
analysis, perhaps, a trained professional psychologist might

enlighten

us here.

That's already been done. One factor you neglectedd to mention
in
your reasonable assessment of McKelvy's many cognitive deficits is
an
extreme lack of self-awareness. He continuously projects his own
paranoia-based fabrications on to others, while failing to
recognize
his lengthy history of lies and libels, which he stupidly calls
"opinions". He stupidly thinks that if he repeats the same lies
over
and over again that somebody other than a few fellow hatemongers
will
believe him.









Anyways, just my two cents of woth.



Brian T. Middius (a proud member of the Middius family of anonymous
Usenet trolls)

Fella said:

He also has a few unique despicable qualities,
such as frequently voiced anti-Semitic comments directed agaisnt
several RAO posters, and strong support for Hamas suicide bombers whose
actions he justifies by lying about their equivalence to that of the
Israeli army's targeted killing of terrorist militants.

If he is indeed a racist nazi then he should be public enemy no:1 in
RAO. If he is critical of Israel about how she handles the arabs, then
he should try to suggest how one would go about handling a bunch of
fanatic religious-fascistic arabs that know next to nothing about
compromise and negotiation.

In all fairness, that's not how *I* perceive Lionel's view on the
Arab/Israel issue.

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

Sander deWaal a écrit :
Fella said:


He also has a few unique despicable qualities,
such as frequently voiced anti-Semitic comments directed agaisnt
several RAO posters, and strong support for Hamas suicide bombers whose
actions he justifies by lying about their equivalence to that of the
Israeli army's targeted killing of terrorist militants.


If he is indeed a racist nazi then he should be public enemy no:1 in
RAO. If he is critical of Israel about how she handles the arabs, then
he should try to suggest how one would go about handling a bunch of
fanatic religious-fascistic arabs that know next to nothing about
compromise and negotiation.


In all fairness, that's not how *I* perceive Lionel's view on the
Arab/Israel issue.

I appreciate that you made the effort to understand my point on a such
difficult subject, and I thank you to write that now.

Fella wrote:
Bruce J. Richman wrote:

It might interest you to know that on RAHE (rec.audio.high-end),
a moderated newsgroup, he has been banned by the moderators who
review
posts before they are published on the Internet.

Hmmm. I should subscribe to that group and perhaps start sticking
around
there. Though moderation brings lag, delay, which is not nice.



The funny thing about RAHE is that unlike many moderated avdio opinion
gorups, almost everybody posting there is an objectivist with views
similar to Krueger's. And while they haven't crosseed the line that
got Krueger kicked off, they have learned how to be just as arrogant,
snide, and confrontatioal as he has been when discussing audio. The
only difference is that they attack the message instead of the
messenger. Unfortunately for Krueger, he couldn't even abide by that
degree of latitude which the moderators allow.

There is a considerable lag in time from post to publication since I
think there are only one or 2 moderators, and they have other things to
do.

If you're not familiar with Audio Asylum, you should be. This is
perhaps the most active audio opinion newsgroup that I have seen. It's
supported by many in the industry, and has numerous subgroups for those
with different audio interests. (www.audioasylum.com)



He also has a few unique despicable qualities,
such as frequently voiced anti-Semitic comments directed agaisnt
several RAO posters, and strong support for Hamas suicide bombers
whose
actions he justifies by lying about their equivalence to that of
the
Israeli army's targeted killing of terrorist militants.


If he is indeed a racist nazi then he should be public enemy no:1 in
RAO. If he is critical of Israel about how she handles the arabs,
then
he should try to suggest how one would go about handling a bunch of
fanatic religious-fascistic arabs that know next to nothing about
compromise and negotiation.

Agreed.

Fella said:

Hate reflects on oneself,

True. I guess hating the kroog suddenly comes about because of the
surprise factor involved. Like I said before, highend audio is one of
the last realms on earth one would imagine to stir up passionate hate in
someone, so you let your guard down, in a manner of speaking. But it
isn't one sided. Read the poster that just called me "janathen" or
another, for some reason, I think there is a healthy dosage of hate in
between the lines.

Oh well, just let people write what they want.

Wonder who is that janathen.

I think he means Jonathan Scull, a (ex?) Stereophile reviewer.
I must admit I don't see the link, other than your passionate opinion
about Sonus Fabers.

If that is the rationale to judge by, I'm Harvey "Gizmo" Rosenberg :-)
Or his reincarnation.........a bit early, you will note.

I happen to know that Michael once designed and built his own
loudspeakers.

Did you ever hear them? How do you know he succeeded?

I haven't heard them, but I've seen pictures and there are/were people
on RAO who have heard them.
At that time I ran my own audio business and was thinking of selling
them in Europe.
Before we could work out something, my little company went south.

and still respect him as a human
being.

No, I call'em as I see'm, I respect only those who deserve it. If he
wants respect as a human being, then he'd better try to act like one.

Here our opinions differ I'm afraid.
That way, you let others determine how to think or act towards them.
I'll never allow that to happen again for myself.

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

Sander deWaal wrote:
Fella said:

He also has a few unique despicable qualities,
such as frequently voiced anti-Semitic comments directed agaisnt
several RAO posters, and strong support for Hamas suicide bombers
whose
actions he justifies by lying about their equivalence to that of
the
Israeli army's targeted killing of terrorist militants.

If he is indeed a racist nazi then he should be public enemy no:1 in

RAO. If he is critical of Israel about how she handles the arabs,
then
he should try to suggest how one would go about handling a bunch of
fanatic religious-fascistic arabs that know next to nothing about
compromise and negotiation.

In all fairness, that's not how *I* perceive Lionel's view on the
Arab/Israel issue.


That's fine. We can agree to disagree. But did you ont see his posts
in whick he attempted to make a comparison between the Israeli targeted
assassination of Sheik Yassin - a known Hamas militant leader who
personally gave the orders of many suiide bomber attacks - and suicide
bombing. Heck, even McKelvy and I agreed on Lionel's obvious
prejudices here, and as you know, McKelvy and I agree on alomst
nothing.

There is also no disputing the fact that at least since I've been
posting on RAO,no poster other than Lionel has made a habit of talking
about another person's religion in many antiSemitic posts. For the
rest of us (even Krueger & McKelvy, what religion a person practices is
not an issue. For Lionel, it's just another example of his bigotry.
--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

"Bruce J. Richman" said:

In all fairness, that's not how *I* perceive Lionel's view on the
Arab/Israel issue.

That's fine. We can agree to disagree. But did you ont see his posts
in whick he attempted to make a comparison between the Israeli targeted
assassination of Sheik Yassin - a known Hamas militant leader who
personally gave the orders of many suiide bomber attacks - and suicide
bombing. Heck, even McKelvy and I agreed on Lionel's obvious
prejudices here, and as you know, McKelvy and I agree on alomst
nothing.

Got out of bed for this one :-)
The way I read it, was that both events were equal in impact, meaning
that the assasination of Yassin would result in even more violence
from Hamas.
I'm afraid he was right about that one.
If I'm wrong, I'm sure Lionel will correct me.

There is also no disputing the fact that at least since I've been
posting on RAO,no poster other than Lionel has made a habit of talking
about another person's religion in many antiSemitic posts. For the
rest of us (even Krueger & McKelvy, what religion a person practices is
not an issue. For Lionel, it's just another example of his bigotry.

Hmmm.......I have been trashing religion in general, as have several
other regular posters here ( I recall Trevor Wilson and Fella in
particular).
Again my perspective on things: I think Lionel wanted to communicate
that people from different religions should be treated with equal
respect (at lack of a better word).
It may seem strange, but while I think religion mainly brought war and
other **** to this world, I actually agree with the premise that
people should be judged equal, whatever their religion or lack of it
may be.

Again, If I'm wrong about Lionel's posiotion, I'm sure he will correct
me.

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

Sander deWaal wrote:
Fella said:


Me, yes, I hate [Krueger's] very existence, and I am sorry to have to exist in
the same universe with this ****borg, unfortunately, I cannot pinpoint
as to why I take such an obvious idiot seriously enough to hate it,
since I cannot execute a truly objective analysis on my own feelings.


Don't hate him.
Hate is good for nothing.
Ignore him, or make fun of him.
Just don't hate him, he's not worth it.

You are right, I shouldn't hate, it'll only feed it.




As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be that
he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons, etc,
misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness and the situation has
deteriorated further by the inherent impaired communication environment
of the usenet discussion groups... Just what he has said or done in
history to have him be the fourth (or fifth?) most hated character here,
I have not yet figured it out. I have no time for google searches and
researches so I guess the situation will just have to present itself in
the making ..


Lionel is more clever than many people think.
Remember: it's easy for an intelligent person to appear stupid, the
reverse doesn't happen.

Your response about mickey suggests that it might have.



McKelvy: Well, I think the daft duh!mikey is just that: stupid,
defective, dim-witted, dumdum, dumduck, dummy, feeble-minded, gorked,
half-witted, held back, imbecile, retarded, slow or non-witted... He
doesn't lie or offend on purpose or with any given *intent*, you see, he
is just too stupid to really comprehend what he says, too damaged to
really understand what others are trying to say to him, and too
monkey-like to "intend" on doing something or another. His "lies" might
be the product of childish spite.


Michael has some issues, but he has every right to express his
opinions about audio (or politics, religion etc.) as anyone else.

Yup, no denying that.

I wouldn't call him stupid.

It's frequently a forgotten, or "taken for granted" fact that parallel
to every vilage having it's idiot, also there is the "nice guy", of
every village.. In the village called RAO, that would be you. Though at
times I did sense anger bordering on hatred in some of your postings
with the ****borg.


But also knowledgeable about loudspeakers.

His is rather *memorized* information than processed knowledge,
obviously. More like a monkey, than a human.

If only he would post more about that.........


Yes, was it he or the ****borg that called sonus fabers "under
engineered" ? Or that buying a brand name tweeter and with "skills and
tools" one would end up with a sonus faber replica. That's why I
would asses his knowledgeability about speakers as questionable, since
he let his adverse feelings towards me cloud his judgement, which in the
end, proves that he posseses none.

He is free to express his opinion you say, yes, but if they are just
downright stupid (for instance; he melts the polar ice caps, no worries,
since a couple of ice cubes in a drink melts and the level of liquid is
unchanged, the environment, the kyoto agreement? forget about it, lets
all go ask mickey what will come to be then the rest of us have the
freedom to express our observations.

Ok this top-poster has declared that anyone and everyone who agrees
about something in RAO are to be declared assholes licking each other.
Let it be known.



wrote:

One asshole licks the other.....


Bruce J. Richman wrote:

Fella wrote:

Bruce J. Richman wrote:

It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger,

RAO's

most

widely despised and hated poster,


As a relatively new poster in RAO I have been trying to find out

who

is

who, etc, and at this juncture I'd like to contribute my two cents

of

worth.

1) Yes, Arni Krueger's most talented and accomplished trait seems

to

be

arousing hatred, very much a keen, acute almost ACID hatred even

within

the context of a somewhat trivial, vain, non-essential,

non-political

and luxurious realm of subject as music and high-end audio. This

for

me,

is a most surprising phenomenon that really would need some sound
analysis. Here you have a bunch of normal, music loving, highend
hobbying dudes and an anomaly, a bizarre entity that just isn't
explainable, that just seems to exist to bring up hate, to create

hate

within people! Curious.

I am sure that if this ****borg would play god as he does in some
political or religious context he would imminently attain first

hand

experience as to how ba-ad a bad-blood he conjures up in people.


For a few sadistic and attetntion-deprived pseudoscientists like
Krueger, eliciting hatred is what they live for. You're quite

correct

in assuming that no matter what the topic of discusion or NG, Krueger
would quickly generate the same type of scorn and hostility he has on
RAO. It might interest you to know that on RAHE

(rec.audio.high-end),

a moderated newsgroup, he has been banned by the moderators who

review

posts before they are published on the Internet. This was done

because

Krueger could not control his pathological need to smear others and
hurl personal insults at any and all with whom he disagrees about
almost anything. Others who post there, including myself, have not

had

this problem.





this mentally
ill hatemonger once again rambles about conspiracy theories

involving

Middius

A telling example of what I state above.. "Middius" seems to be a
democrat type of "thinking" person, concerned about social welfare

and

well being, etc, he seems to have some clever traits, an

imaginative,

though somewhat wiggly pen, enlightened views on things, etc. But

at

the

same time, this quite the "normal" and educated character exhibits

an

unhealthy dose of hatred and obsession against the ****borg
(understandably so).

Me, yes, I hate his very existence, and I am sorry to have to exist

in

the same universe with this ****borg, unfortunately, I cannot

pinpoint

as to why I take such an obvious idiot seriously enough to hate it,
since I cannot execute a truly objective analysis on my own

feelings.




It's probably just the revulsion and disgust that we all feel about a
person that has single-handedly been responsible for more people
leaving RAO, never to return, then any other poster IMHO. The number
of people postin here has decreased drastically since Krueger started
his smear campaigns many yeaqrs ago.




As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be

that

he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons,

etc,

misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness and the situation

has

deteriorated further by the inherent impaired communication

environment

of the usenet discussion groups... Just what he has said or done in
history to have him be the fourth (or fifth?) most hated character

here,

I have not yet figured it out. I have no time for google searches

and

researches so I guess the situation will just have to present

itself

in

the making ..


He is quite similar to Krueger in the sense that he has nothing good

to

say about anybody, and more importantly, nothing whatsoever to say
about audio subjects. He also has a few unique despicable qualities,
such as frequently voiced anti-Semitic comments directed agaisnt
several RAO posters, and strong support for Hamas suicide bombers

whose

actions he justifies by lying about their equivalence to that of the
Israeli army's targeted killing of terrorist militants. AFAIK, even
Krueger and McKelvy, have not used religion as a further tactic to
promote their hatemongering. Only Lionel holds that dubious
distinction. In addition, like Krueger, he has tried to attack as

many

different posters as possible. Apparently, he thinks that this will
give him some sort of notoriety that has been missing in his life as

a

sewer worker. Also, in common with those that fear the objective
analysis of their online behavior by a person qualified to make that
kind of assessment (moi), he has nothing in his empty ammunition belt
with which to respond, so he tries, unsuccessfully to question the
credentials of people with credentials he envies and misunderstands.





McKelvy: Well, I think the daft duh!mikey is just that: stupid,
defective, dim-witted, dumdum, dumduck, dummy, feeble-minded,

gorked,

half-witted, held back, imbecile, retarded, slow or non-witted...


Jusr a few of the very many accurate descriptions that many on RAO

have

attached to this almost brain-dead imbecile.


He

doesn't lie or offend on purpose or with any given *intent*, you

see,

he

is just too stupid to really comprehend what he says, too damaged

to

really understand what others are trying to say to him, and too
monkey-like to "intend" on doing something or another. His "lies"

might

be the product of childish spite.


That's an interesting hypothsis. His slavish admiration of RAO's

rest

widely hated and despised poster *does* suggest that he is indeed too
overwhelmingly stupid to see Krueger as about 95% of the rest of us

do.


He writes like a human, sometimes, and he obviously is able to use

a

computer, but these kinds of "abilities" are pretty much habitually
obtainable by humans. I can't really pinpoint the source of his
delinquency (obviously), some form of an autistic defect that

inhibits

his perceptions after a certain point of complication and demand on
analysis, perhaps, a trained professional psychologist might

enlighten

us here.

That's already been done. One factor you neglectedd to mention in
your reasonable assessment of McKelvy's many cognitive deficits is an
extreme lack of self-awareness. He continuously projects his own
paranoia-based fabrications on to others, while failing to recognize
his lengthy history of lies and libels, which he stupidly calls
"opinions". He stupidly thinks that if he repeats the same lies over
and over again that somebody other than a few fellow hatemongers will
believe him.









Anyways, just my two cents of woth.



Brian T. Middius (a proud member of the Middius family of anonymous
Usenet trolls)

Bruce J. Richman wrote:

It might interest you to know that on RAHE (rec.audio.high-end),
a moderated newsgroup, he has been banned by the moderators who review
posts before they are published on the Internet.

Hmmm. I should subscribe to that group and perhaps start sticking around
there. Though moderation brings lag, delay, which is not nice.


He also has a few unique despicable qualities,
such as frequently voiced anti-Semitic comments directed agaisnt
several RAO posters, and strong support for Hamas suicide bombers whose
actions he justifies by lying about their equivalence to that of the
Israeli army's targeted killing of terrorist militants.


If he is indeed a racist nazi then he should be public enemy no:1 in
RAO. If he is critical of Israel about how she handles the arabs, then
he should try to suggest how one would go about handling a bunch of
fanatic religious-fascistic arabs that know next to nothing about
compromise and negotiation.

Sander deWaal wrote:

"Bruce J. Richman" said:

In all fairness, that's not how *I* perceive Lionel's view on the
Arab/Israel issue.

That's fine. We can agree to disagree. But did you ont see his posts
in whick he attempted to make a comparison between the Israeli targeted
assassination of Sheik Yassin - a known Hamas militant leader who
personally gave the orders of many suiide bomber attacks - and suicide
bombing. Heck, even McKelvy and I agreed on Lionel's obvious
prejudices here, and as you know, McKelvy and I agree on alomst
nothing.

Got out of bed for this one :-)
The way I read it, was that both events were equal in impact, meaning
that the assasination of Yassin would result in even more violence
from Hamas.
I'm afraid he was right about that one.
If I'm wrong, I'm sure Lionel will correct me.

Nothing to correct Sander you perfectly understood my point. I have
challanged Richman several time to quote a sentence from me to support his
statements... I'm still waiting. ;-)

There is also no disputing the fact that at least since I've been
posting on RAO,no poster other than Lionel has made a habit of talking
about another person's religion in many antiSemitic posts. For the
rest of us (even Krueger & McKelvy, what religion a person practices is
not an issue. For Lionel, it's just another example of his bigotry.

Hmmm.......I have been trashing religion in general, as have several
other regular posters here ( I recall Trevor Wilson and Fella in
particular).
Again my perspective on things: I think Lionel wanted to communicate
that people from different religions should be treated with equal
respect (at lack of a better word).
It may seem strange, but while I think religion mainly brought war and
other **** to this world, I actually agree with the premise that
people should be judged equal, whatever their religion or lack of it
may be.

Again, If I'm wrong about Lionel's posiotion, I'm sure he will correct
me.

In the begining of the '60s, during the economical miracle, Andre Malreaux
was writing :
"the next century will be mystic or will not be"
"Religions will be the major problem of the XXI century"
Now we have to assume his predictions. :-)
IMHO bashing on religions will not bring any improvement.

Fella said:

But I am an open minded kind of a guy, so I am just wondering those
speakers you say mickey designed. The world is full of all kinds of
improbabilities, for sure, the lord works in them mysterious ways for
some mysterious reason!

Like I said, I haven't heard them, and I can't recall who on RAO did.
Could it have been Greg Singh?
He no longer posts here.......

That way, you let others determine how to think or act towards them.

Ok, let's agree to disagree on this matter. Though I am just wondering
who else but "them" would determine what you will think of "them" ?

What I meant is that you then let others dictate your behaviour.
That can sometimes lead to things you'd never thought you'd say.

Believe me, it happened to me, more than once here.

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

Sander deWaal wrote:

Hate reflects on oneself,

True. I guess hating the kroog suddenly comes about because of the
surprise factor involved. Like I said before, highend audio is one of
the last realms on earth one would imagine to stir up passionate hate in
someone, so you let your guard down, in a manner of speaking. But it
isn't one sided. Read the poster that just called me "janathen" or
another, for some reason, I think there is a healthy dosage of hate in
between the lines.

Wonder who is that janathen.


I happen to know that Michael once designed and built his own
loudspeakers.

Did you ever hear them? How do you know he succeeded?

and still respect him as a human
being.


No, I call'em as I see'm, I respect only those who deserve it. If he
wants respect as a human being, then he'd better try to act like one.

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
ups.com...

Michael McKelvy wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
oups.com...

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
oups.com

It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger,
RAO's
most widely despised and hated poster, can't tear himself away
from
his computer terminal before generating new attack threads about
others.

Ironically, this is the first post in a new personal attack thread
that was
started by one Bruce J. Richman. I also note that is at least his
second new
personal attack thread for just today.

Most people who watch RAO know that I rarely start new threads.
AFAIK, the
last new thread from me was started on 1/6/2005 and was about
Monster

Cable - obviously audio-related and not a personal attack thread.

Actually, the Google clearly shows that Krueger has repeatedly,
over a
7 year period, started attack threads, using the names of many of
his
enemies in those threads.

How many? Name them.


See response to sockpuppet defender of Krueger in this thread for
examples of just 2 - written aomost 5 years apart. How many timrs have
you told the truth about my identity? Name them.

Impossible to tell, since I have no real hard evidence of your identity.

I'll ask again, and see if you can put a number to it, how many times has AK
put your name in the title of an attack thread? You gave an example with
the title Richman wants Krueger Dead, which came from a thread entitled
Question for Krooger, where he was responding to your question that asked
why he hadn't killed himself already. Not very honest Bruce.

Your second example is in response to another of your hysterical rants from
a thread on speakler wires for Martin Logans.

The question was how many attack threads with your name in them had been
started by AK? I can assume the answer is none.

You're blowing snmoke, and coming up empty.

Krueger, as is his habitm, neglects to
mention the obvious fact, that when I start an attack thread, it is
in
direct response to one that he has started.

That's just a bald faced lie.


BTW I believe Mr. Atkinson is a Recording engineer, not an EE. I apologise
in advance if I got that wrong. Pete Goudreau is an EE.


Then why are there more of yours?


Liar. Prove that ther are more than mine with a listing of all attack
threads started by Krueger and attack threads started gy me.
Prove that you're not lyin again.


Unlike Krueger, I have no
need to try and change the titles of threads started by others
simply
to try and eliminate negative information.

Liar.

Bullshiut from McKelvy. The evidence is there in Google for all to
see.

Then provide it, you made the original claim.

"Fella" wrote in message
.. .
Sander deWaal wrote:
Fella said:


Me, yes, I hate [Krueger's] very existence, and I am sorry to have to
exist in the same universe with this ****borg, unfortunately, I cannot
pinpoint as to why I take such an obvious idiot seriously enough to hate
it, since I cannot execute a truly objective analysis on my own feelings.



Don't hate him.
Hate is good for nothing.
Ignore him, or make fun of him.
Just don't hate him, he's not worth it.

You are right, I shouldn't hate, it'll only feed it.




As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be that
he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons, etc,
misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness and the situation has
deteriorated further by the inherent impaired communication environment
of the usenet discussion groups... Just what he has said or done in
history to have him be the fourth (or fifth?) most hated character here,
I have not yet figured it out. I have no time for google searches and
researches so I guess the situation will just have to present itself in
the making ..


Lionel is more clever than many people think.
Remember: it's easy for an intelligent person to appear stupid, the
reverse doesn't happen.

Your response about mickey suggests that it might have.



McKelvy: Well, I think the daft duh!mikey is just that: stupid,
defective, dim-witted, dumdum, dumduck, dummy, feeble-minded, gorked,
half-witted, held back, imbecile, retarded, slow or non-witted... He
doesn't lie or offend on purpose or with any given *intent*, you see, he
is just too stupid to really comprehend what he says, too damaged to
really understand what others are trying to say to him, and too
monkey-like to "intend" on doing something or another. His "lies" might
be the product of childish spite.


Michael has some issues, but he has every right to express his
opinions about audio (or politics, religion etc.) as anyone else.

Yup, no denying that.

I wouldn't call him stupid.

It's frequently a forgotten, or "taken for granted" fact that parallel to
every vilage having it's idiot, also there is the "nice guy", of every
village.. In the village called RAO, that would be you. Though at times I
did sense anger bordering on hatred in some of your postings with the
****borg.


But also knowledgeable about loudspeakers.

His is rather *memorized* information than processed knowledge, obviously.
More like a monkey, than a human.

If only he would post more about that.........


Yes, was it he or the ****borg that called sonus fabers "under engineered"
? Or that buying a brand name tweeter and with "skills and tools" one
would end up with a sonus faber replica. That's why I would asses his
knowledgeability about speakers as questionable, since he let his adverse
feelings towards me cloud his judgement, which in the end, proves that he
posseses none.

I stand by my statement that a knowledgeable person could replicate the
sound of SF.


He is free to express his opinion you say, yes, but if they are just
downright stupid (for instance; he melts the polar ice caps, no worries,
since a couple of ice cubes in a drink melts and the level of liquid is
unchanged, the environment, the kyoto agreement? forget about it, lets all
go ask mickey what will come to be then the rest of us have the freedom
to express our observations.

Sander deWaal wrote:

I must admit I don't see the link, other than your passionate opinion
about Sonus Fabers.

Hmmm.. I am taking a liking to this scull. I never read audio magazines,
just browse through them when I get my hands on one, or when one page
from them pops up out of a search.

My passion for sonus faber, stems from the fact that the designer,
serblin, is a true artisan, he approaches speaker building not as merely
numbers and textbook engineering (though there is hefty amount of that
in there too, but it serves the purpose of art and NOT science itself),
but as a form of human achievement; the art of re-creating, re-making
music via electronics from the recorded information on a given medium. I
have listened to many a brand of speaker, both auditioned and at
freinds, hifi shows, etc, various places. But no speaker ever gave me
the true tingling sensation of becoming music like the sf's do, though
they did have better bass slam, detail, were nuetral, etc.

But I am an open minded kind of a guy, so I am just wondering those
speakers you say mickey designed. The world is full of all kinds of
improbabilities, for sure, the lord works in them mysterious ways for
some mysterious reason!

And mckelvy being such a damaged person in some social, and/or in some
intellectual aspects doesn't rule out the possibility of him creating
something of a speaker.

I've studied law in my time. So I know of ignorant, inane, even
*lliterate* "professors".



That way, you let others determine how to think or act towards them.

Ok, let's agree to disagree on this matter. Though I am just wondering
who else but "them" would determine what you will think of "them" ?

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
ups.com...

Fella wrote:
Bruce J. Richman wrote:

It might interest you to know that on RAHE (rec.audio.high-end),
a moderated newsgroup, he has been banned by the moderators who
review
posts before they are published on the Internet.

Hmmm. I should subscribe to that group and perhaps start sticking
around
there. Though moderation brings lag, delay, which is not nice.



The funny thing about RAHE is that unlike many moderated avdio opinion
gorups, almost everybody posting there is an objectivist with views
similar to Krueger's. And while they haven't crosseed the line that
got Krueger kicked off, they have learned how to be just as arrogant,
snide, and confrontatioal as he has been when discussing audio.

IOW they rip the subjectivists to shreds with facts.

The
only difference is that they attack the message instead of the
messenger.

Unlike you.

Unfortunately for Krueger, he couldn't even abide by that
degree of latitude which the moderators allow.

Hmm. I thought it woas because he wouldn't stop talking about ABX.

There is a considerable lag in time from post to publication since I
think there are only one or 2 moderators, and they have other things to
do.

If you're not familiar with Audio Asylum, you should be. This is
perhaps the most active audio opinion newsgroup that I have seen. It's
supported by many in the industry, and has numerous subgroups for those
with different audio interests. (www.audioasylum.com)

Michael McKelvy wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
ups.com...

Fella wrote:
Bruce J. Richman wrote:

It might interest you to know that on RAHE
(rec.audio.high-end),
a moderated newsgroup, he has been banned by the moderators who
review
posts before they are published on the Internet.

Hmmm. I should subscribe to that group and perhaps start sticking
around
there. Though moderation brings lag, delay, which is not nice.



The funny thing about RAHE is that unlike many moderated avdio
opinion
gorups, almost everybody posting there is an objectivist with views
similar to Krueger's. And while they haven't crosseed the line
that
got Krueger kicked off, they have learned how to be just as
arrogant,
snide, and confrontatioal as he has been when discussing audio.

IOW they rip the subjectivists to shreds with facts.


Prove it. Just another of your wishful fantasies - complete with lack
of evidence.


The
only difference is that they attack the message instead of the
messenger.

Unlike you.


Another lie. You just attacked the messenger, dummy. Thaks for
proving you can't tell the truth.



Unfortunately for Krueger, he couldn't even abide by that
degree of latitude which the moderators allow.

Hmm. I thought it woas because he wouldn't stop talking about ABX.

Obviously, not the case. Otghers talk about ABX and a host of other
subjects. They haven't been banned from participation there. In
various correspondence with David Bath re. replies I made to Krueger's
attempts at personal attacks against me rejected by the moderators, I
was told a number of things about Krueger's posts. (This was before he
was banned, obviously). Your failure to face the true reaons for
Krueger's banning and attempt to spin it noted.




There is a considerable lag in time from post to publication since
I
think there are only one or 2 moderators, and they have other
things to
do.

If you're not familiar with Audio Asylum, you should be. This is
perhaps the most active audio opinion newsgroup that I have seen.
It's
supported by many in the industry, and has numerous subgroups for
those
with different audio interests. (www.audioasylum.com)



Bruce J. Richman

Bruce J. Richman a écrit :

Heck, even McKelvy and I agreed on Lionel's obvious
prejudices here, and as you know, McKelvy and I agree on alomst
nothing.

Considering all the nasty things that you have written about him are you
sure that it's a good argument ? ;-)

LOL !

Bruce J. Richman a écrit :

Heck, even McKelvy and I agreed on Lionel's obvious
prejudices here, and as you know, McKelvy and I agree on alomst
nothing.

LOL !

Considering all the nasty things you have written about him, are you
sure that it's a good argument ? ;-)

This sounds like the Richman's version of the famous paradox of the liar ?

(For the newbies Richman has written 1000 times that McKelvy is a
pathological liar).