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Recording a Contra Dance
Tomorrow I will be doing my first "recording only" gig
and just thought I'd toss a "how would you do it" to the brain trust here I have a large assortment of mics, lrg dia cond, sm dia cond, and dynamics of all sorts both cheap and expensive I want to ask this will be a 3 piece acoustic band , seated (I think) fiddle, guitar, banjo My first impression is I would record stereo with two 012's with omni caps centered high(head height) on the stage would I be better off with my 184's to eliminate some room echo? would I be better with one omni? I also have 2 groove tube am62's and one 414 the rest of the signal chain will be my allen&heath Icon feeding my mac g4/400 through the griffin Imic recording to either Audicity or TC Spark ME any advice will be appreciated and considered Thanks George |
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George Gleason wrote:
this will be a 3 piece acoustic band , seated (I think) fiddle, guitar, banjo My first impression is I would record stereo with two 012's with omni caps centered high(head height) on the stage would I be better off with my 184's to eliminate some room echo? would I be better with one omni? What kind of room, where is the band, and how close do the dancers get? |
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Kurt Albershardt wrote:
George Gleason wrote: this will be a 3 piece acoustic band , seated (I think) fiddle, guitar, banjo My first impression is I would record stereo with two 012's with omni caps centered high(head height) on the stage would I be better off with my 184's to eliminate some room echo? would I be better with one omni? What kind of room, where is the band, and how close do the dancers get? room is about 40long 30 wide 12-14 foot ceiling hard wood community room in a church have never been to a contra dance so I do not know how close or how much noise dancers will make G |
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George Gleason wrote:
Kurt Albershardt wrote: George Gleason wrote: this will be a 3 piece acoustic band , seated (I think) fiddle, guitar, banjo My first impression is I would record stereo with two 012's with omni caps centered high(head height) on the stage would I be better off with my 184's to eliminate some room echo? would I be better with one omni? What kind of room, where is the band, and how close do the dancers get? room is about 40long 30 wide 12-14 foot ceiling hard wood community room in a church have never been to a contra dance so I do not know how close or how much noise dancers will make Use a cardioid pair, small caps, in either ORTF or XY. Position about head height in front of the band for decent imaging and adjust distance to balance band versus room sound. Avoid the omni caps. I'd probably prefer the KM184's. -- ha |
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George Gleason wrote:
Kurt Albershardt wrote: George Gleason wrote: this will be a 3 piece acoustic band , seated (I think) fiddle, guitar, banjo My first impression is I would record stereo with two 012's with omni caps centered high(head height) on the stage would I be better off with my 184's to eliminate some room echo? would I be better with one omni? What kind of room, where is the band, and how close do the dancers get? room is about 40long 30 wide 12-14 foot ceiling hard wood community room in a church have never been to a contra dance so I do not know how close or how much noise dancers will make G I'm not sure why, but your original message never arrived here. So I'm picking this thread up in the middle. Why are you recording this event? If your goal is to try to capture the entire ambience of the event, I think you can get an interesting recording with just a stereo pair in the right location. If your goal is to capture a clean recording of the band, that's a lot more complicated. The caller will likely be in the same sound system as the band - are you planning to capture the caller as well? The dancers will be loud and very active. The room will probably be quite "live", so it will be a challenging environment no matter what. If your goal is to capture a clean recording of the band, I'd suggest that you do it in a different room with no dancers present. If that's not an option, you might want to go with direct pickups from the instruments (if available). They certainly won't sound as good as a decent mic, but I suspect you'll find that mics are going to capture too much of the sound of the room, the caller, and the dancers to be particularly useful as a "pure" recording of the band. |
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Jim Gilliland wrote:
George Gleason wrote: Kurt Albershardt wrote: George Gleason wrote: this will be a 3 piece acoustic band , seated (I think) fiddle, guitar, banjo My first impression is I would record stereo with two 012's with omni caps centered high(head height) on the stage would I be better off with my 184's to eliminate some room echo? would I be better with one omni? What kind of room, where is the band, and how close do the dancers get? room is about 40long 30 wide 12-14 foot ceiling hard wood community room in a church have never been to a contra dance so I do not know how close or how much noise dancers will make G I'm not sure why, but your original message never arrived here. So I'm picking this thread up in the middle. Why are you recording this event? If your goal is to try to capture the entire ambience of the event, I think you can get an interesting recording with just a stereo pair in the right location. If your goal is to capture a clean recording of the band, that's a lot more complicated. "cleanish" recording of band but want ambience (low low) present as well The caller will likely be in the same sound system as the band - are you planning to capture the caller as well? my pair on the band and a main mix off the desk, remixed on my desk The dancers will be loud and very active. The room will probably be quite "live", so it will be a challenging environment no matter what. thanks for the heads up it will help knowing this at set-up If your goal is to capture a clean recording of the band, I'd suggest that you do it in a different room with no dancers present. If that's not an option, you might want to go with direct pickups from the instruments (if available). They certainly won't sound as good as a decent mic, but I suspect you'll find that mics are going to capture too much of the sound of the room, the caller, and the dancers to be particularly useful as a "pure" recording of the band. no not a "band" recording but rather a Event archive george |
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Why not do close miking on the 3 insts. and also do ambient stereo
micing? Get the best mix of both, maybe bring up the ambients between songs. Dean |
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db wrote:
Why not do close miking on the 3 insts. and also do ambient stereo micing? Get the best mix of both, maybe bring up the ambients between songs. Dean They are already close micing for the pa i am going to take a board feed to get the close mics I don't want to intimidate them with too much stuff George |
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On 6 Jan 2005 16:09:39 -0800, "Dan Gellert"
wrote: If your goal is to capture a clean recording of the band, I'd suggest that you do it in a different room with no dancers present. If that's not an option, you might want to go with direct pickups from the instruments (if available). They certainly won't sound as good as a decent mic, but I suspect you'll find that mics are going to capture too much of the sound of the room, the caller, and the dancers to be particularly useful as a "pure" recording of the band. Having played for a lot of contra dances, I will concur emphatically with everything Jim has said. If it were possible to capture a reasonably faithful reproduction of the sound in the room, I can't think of a single dance I've been to of which I'd want to listen to such a recording! Around here, at least, contra dancers choose their venues primarily, if not exclusively, based upon the quality of the floor (oh yeah and its gotta be cheap if not free).... Acoustics be damned! If you're lucky and the sound gear is decent, it still has to be carted in and set up in a hurry... The band winds up sounding like reverberant mush, and then the caller has to cut through that and be legible. A perfect recipe for a headache. Still, playing for the mic just doesn't have the same kind of energy as playing for enthusiastic dancers. I'd go for mini-mic's attached to the individual instruments. I'm with Dan and Jim, I also play loads of Contra dances as well as dance and do sound for them. The acoustics generally suck, the caller is always the loudest thing in the room and the dancers are noisy! Given all that, the music is often hypnotic and beautiful or driving and powerful and with a few exceptions can't be captured in the studio as the player react to the dancers and are often not pros who are relaxed and studio savvy. Good luck I'm currently recording my own long overdue album of contra tunes I've composed. Of course I am doing it in the studio, but am arranging the material and hiring other pros even if they don't normally play contra music. So far it's turing out great! |
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George Gleason wrote:
db wrote: Why not do close miking on the 3 insts. and also do ambient stereo micing? Get the best mix of both, maybe bring up the ambients between songs. Dean They are already close micing for the pa i am going to take a board feed to get the close mics I don't want to intimidate them with too much stuff George The board feed isn't going to be very useful - it isn't going to be a balanced feed of the band - the caller will be much louder than anything else in the mix, and the instruments will be balanced more to help everyone stay in time than to give a good acoustic mix of the music. If I were doing this, I would split the mics at the stage and capture each instrument individually from as close as possible. That might be an internal pickup, or an instrument-mounted mic, or a very close mic on a stand. I'd also capture the caller's mic on a separate track. If there were two feeds available for an instrument (say both internal and external mics), I'd capture both separately. You don't have to intimidate them by adding stuff, but take advantage of whatever is available. Then I'd set up additional mic pairs to capture the sound in the room. Since I really couldn't predict in advance what the room was going to sound like, I might actually use several stereo pairs and decide later which one(s) to include in the mix. One pair could be aimed at the band from a close position, using directional mics that are intended to isolate the band as much as possible from the room, the dancers, and the PA. A second pair might also be aimed at the band, but using mics and positioning that would include the ambience of the room. A third pair might actually be aimed at the dancers - perhaps from the stage aimed at a downward angle to capture the sound of the rhythm of the feet hitting the floor (that's an important part of the sound of a contra dance, and the band will be responding to it, so you do want some of it in your mix). A lot of people will tell you to mix this by starting with the stereo pair of the band and then bringing in the individual mics to enhance that until you get what you want. That's often a pretty workable approach, but in this case I think that main pair is still going to turn out to be quite noisy and muddy. In the long run, you may want very little of it (if any) in your mix. So you might want to start with it, but as you bring up the individual instruments, plan to gradually reduce the stage pair until you have a mix that avoids whatever muck got captured there. You may find that you wind up dropping it completely. If you have more than one feed from an instrument, balance those to get a realistic sound. Then try to create a mix that has a stereo balance much like the one captured by your stage pair, but without the noise and mud. If you have multiple feeds from the same instrument, don't feel that you have to use exactly the same panning for both - you may get a better sense of space if they are placed somewhat apart in the mix. Once you've got the instruments balanced the way you want them, then bring up the caller and the dancers. Keep just enough of the sound of the dancers to give the sense that, yes, this is a real contra dance. I really don't know which of your stereo pairs will turn out to be the most useful, so experiment and see what you get. You may want to use just one of them, or you may want to use all three sparingly. You may even find that you don't need them at all. It sounds like a fun project. Good luck with it. |
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From: George Gleason They are already close micing for the pa i am going to take a board feed to get the close mics I don't want to intimidate them with too much stuff George George: I've recorded contras before (while playing and doing sound) and found that the easiest way was to do just what you are doing. I took a board feed into a little Marantz cassette deck. It sounded great! Captured the music, caller, and energy of the crowd. This was a few years ago, and if I were to do it again I would use a multitrack recorder and take a feed from each channel insert (especially easy with only three instruments and a caller) and a feed from the main outs and a room mic. It would be a LOT of sonic material to make a very nice mix afterwards. Carlos |
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"George Gleason" wrote in message ... Tomorrow I will be doing my first "recording only" gig and just thought I'd toss a "how would you do it" to the brain trust here I have a large assortment of mics, lrg dia cond, sm dia cond, and dynamics of all sorts both cheap and expensive I want to ask this will be a 3 piece acoustic band , seated (I think) fiddle, guitar, banjo My first impression is I would record stereo with two 012's with omni caps centered high(head height) on the stage would I be better off with my 184's to eliminate some room echo? would I be better with one omni? I also have 2 groove tube am62's and one 414 If it's a contra dance, there will be a PA system...for the caller if nothing else. And a LOT of room noise. If you do overhead mics it's almost certainly going to sound awful. I'd suggest close micing, with a splitter if the band is going through the PA. 012s on the fiddle and banjo -- use the hyper capsules. Put the 414 on the guitar, set up the AM62s out there someplace for ambience, set on omni. You may get so much PA in them that they're not usable, though. Peace, Paul |
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Many fiddlers and even some concertina players are using there own
ATM35 clip on mics which will be great for isolation. I'd mic the guitar and banjo with something hyper cardioid and split off the mics at the board by coming out of the inserts if there isn't a splitter available to you, or by using a pair of aux sends to make a separate stereo mix. If you want the crowd and caller you can do as others suggest with an additional stereo pair discreetly place perhaps on stage facing out? You can always add the callers track with the spitter or aux method. I'm amazed there are so many of us who play contra dances. I always imagine this is generally a haunt for folks who do more rock. Especially since I haven't heard any fiddle tunes on the rap albums. What does everyone play? I play fiddle mostly, but also play mando, tenor banjo and guitar. |
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Paul Gitlitz wrote:
Many fiddlers and even some concertina players are using there own ATM35 clip on mics which will be great for isolation. I'd mic the guitar and banjo with something hyper cardioid and split off the mics at the board by coming out of the inserts if there isn't a splitter available to you, or by using a pair of aux sends to make a separate stereo mix. If you want the crowd and caller you can do as others suggest with an additional stereo pair discreetly place perhaps on stage facing out? You can always add the callers track with the spitter or aux method. I'm amazed there are so many of us who play contra dances. I always imagine this is generally a haunt for folks who do more rock. Especially since I haven't heard any fiddle tunes on the rap albums. What does everyone play? I play fiddle mostly, but also play mando, tenor banjo and guitar. Mando(rigel r-100 custom) guitar(larrivee LV-09) and a goodtime open back 5 string banjo tried fiddle , truly a instrument of tourture while going through the 20 year learning process:-) george |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:21:02 GMT, George Gleason
wrote: truly a instrument of tourture while going through the 20 year learning process:-) george When I pick up the mando anfter playing the fiddle, I occasionally get the comment (usually from non players) "You play THAT AS WELL!" To which I reply "Hopefully a lot better". I started fiddle at 28, I'm now 52, I still feel like a hack. I bought a newly made Gurnari style fiddle made by Scott Marckx it was to be a possible replacement for my 1732 Joannes Schorn which has been in the shop for 3 months undergoing major restoration. It was literally the wood worms holding hands that kept it whole. I have a 1924 Gibson A2 snakehead Mandolin, a matching 1924 Gibson TB4 Trapdoor Tenor banjo, a 1980 Martin M38, guitar and a no name 1930/40? Archtop Guitar great tone neck like a baseball bat. Also a Slingerland Maybell tenor for sale. And a Laurence Nyberg octave mando I use on rare occasions on a recording. |
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Paul Gitlitz wrote:
What does everyone play? I play fiddle mostly, but also play mando, tenor banjo and guitar. I just play records on the radio. I'm happy to report that I have on occasion played records that featured you, and also some that featured Dan Gellert who replied earlier in this thread. Paul Stamler is a Folk DJ as well. And Mike Rivers has been involved with folk music for a long time. There are lots of other "folkies" around here, but those are some of the ones who have contributed to this thread. Oh, and I'm also a contra dancer. But definitely not a musician. |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:40:49 -0500, Jim Gilliland
wrote: I'm happy to report that I have on occasion played records that featured you, Wow that's a nice surprise. What records if you recall? |
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Well I recorded the dance tonight came out just fine use the cardioid 012's in xy along with a aux send from the desk to get the close sound And don't get me wrong , I love this music but not for love or money would I listen to this recording for "enjoyment" it really is not something that really exists without the dancers the guitar player brought a arch top and ran it through a GK amp the tone was ,well, annoying is being polite and the fiddle player didn't show so they substituted a snare drummer"????" the piano was a typical grade school /church upright that was last tunes when Hoover was president great musicians but the presentation (IMO) was a mess George |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 05:23:08 GMT, George Gleason
wrote: the fiddle player didn't show so they substituted a snare drummer"????" the piano was a typical grade school /church upright that was last tunes when Hoover was president I'm afraid the piano situation is typical, but no fiddle? This make no sense for a contra band. Was anyone playing melody? |
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"Paul Gitlitz" wrote in message ... Many fiddlers and even some concertina players are using there own ATM35 clip on mics which will be great for isolation. I'd mic the guitar and banjo with something hyper cardioid and split off the mics at the board by coming out of the inserts if there isn't a splitter available to you, or by using a pair of aux sends to make a separate stereo mix. If you want the crowd and caller you can do as others suggest with an additional stereo pair discreetly place perhaps on stage facing out? You can always add the callers track with the spitter or aux method. I'm amazed there are so many of us who play contra dances. I always imagine this is generally a haunt for folks who do more rock. Especially since I haven't heard any fiddle tunes on the rap albums. What does everyone play? I play fiddle mostly, but also play mando, tenor banjo and guitar. I don't play many contras these days, but I call some. I play fingerpicked guitar (acoustic, electric and National steel) for English country dances (ancestors to contra) and acoustic and National for waltz-and-vintage nights that draw mostly a contra crowd. Peace, Paul |
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Paul Gitlitz wrote: I'm amazed there are so many of us who play contra dances. I always imagine this is generally a haunt for folks who do more rock. Especially since I haven't heard any fiddle tunes on the rap albums. What does everyone play? I play fiddle mostly, but also play mando, tenor banjo and guitar. Yes, I was surprised, too - even that there were so many folks that know what contra dancing is! When I read the original post, I had to double-check the date, because the previous night (Wednesday) I had played a contra dance in Berkeley with the exact same configuration (fiddle/banjo/guitar, with myself on banjo) and started wondering if someone had recorded the dance unbeknownst to me. Not the case, I guess, but I wonder where the dance was, and who played it, as there's a pretty good chance I either know or have heard of the musicians. Paul, I'm curious if you've ever attended the Fiddle Tunes festival in Port Townsend, WA, which must be relatively close to where you live. I've been going there since 1978 (missed one year) and have many musician friends in Seattle (and a few in Vancouver), so it seems likely that we have some friends or acquaintances in common. I play southern old-time banjo for the most part, but I know plenty of folks that play non-southern traditional music as well. By the way, I agree with you, Dan Gellert, and others about the rigors of dealing with the usual dreadful sound and acoustic environment at your average contra/square dance, and that the best bet would likely be to use careful close micing with tight-patterned small-diaphragm mics on banjo and guitar, and probably a GOOD, well-placed (important!) clip-on mic on the fiddle. Fiddlers like to move, and a stand-mounted mic placed close enough to a fiddle to get decent isolation is likely to capture a good bit of variation in tone and volume as the fiddler sways and gyrates. Doesn't matter much for the dancers, but it may well be noticeable and distracting on a recording. Seeing Dan posting here recently, I'd like to put in a plug for Dan's recent CD, "Waitin' On the Break of Day", which I highly recommend - terrific stuff! http://orphonon.utopiandesign.com Dan's a musician's musician in the traditional old-time music world, and you won't find any better. His delightful daughter Rayna is one hell of a fiddler as well, and is one of my favorite people to snag a festival session with on those very rare occasions that I have a chance to do so. Good work on both efforts, Dan! -- Brendan Doyle |
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Paul Gitlitz wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:40:49 -0500, Jim Gilliland wrote: I'm happy to report that I have on occasion played records that featured you, Wow that's a nice surprise. What records if you recall? That's a tough one - if I remember correctly it was back in the days of vinyl. I recall you being listed as a mandolinist, but it's definitely been a while. I'm not really sure why your name stuck with me, but it did. A string band of some sort, I'm sure, but I just can't recall the specific title. Sorry. For some reason, I have an image of a Flying Fish LP in my head when I try to recall it. Did you ever record for Bruce? |
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George Gleason wrote:
Well I recorded the dance tonight came out just fine use the cardioid 012's in xy along with a aux send from the desk to get the close sound And don't get me wrong , I love this music but not for love or money would I listen to this recording for "enjoyment" it really is not something that really exists without the dancers the guitar player brought a arch top and ran it through a GK amp the tone was ,well, annoying is being polite and the fiddle player didn't show so they substituted a snare drummer"????" the piano was a typical grade school /church upright that was last tunes when Hoover was president great musicians but the presentation (IMO) was a mess George grin That's perfect. Most contra dances seem to run along those same lines. It's music for dancing, not for sitting and listening. And with a great band, the interaction between musicians and dancers and the energy level that can develop in the room can be absolutely overwhelming. I hope you got the chance to do some dancing! |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:27:22 GMT, Brendan Doyle wrote:
Paul, I'm curious if you've ever attended the Fiddle Tunes festival in Port Townsend, WA, which must be relatively close to where you live. I've been going there since 1978 (missed one year) and have many musician friends in Seattle (and a few in Vancouver), so it seems likely that we have some friends or acquaintances in common. I play southern old-time banjo for the most part, but I know plenty of folks that play non-southern traditional music as well. I really went only once as a crasher. I camped nearby and went to all the late night jams. I showed up about half way through the week and realized that folks had been bonding as they do, and even though I knew lots of folks, I was a bit of an outsider. At least that's how I felt at the time. This occurred almost 20 years ago. I was then saving my dough for a festival at Port Townsend that happened at the end of summer and offered international dancing and music. They had Irish for a couple of years which fiddle tunes avoided. I got to take lessons with Dale Russ and Kevin Burke it was Grand! I sometimes make it down for Folklife, though I've often had paying gigs that weekend. Hey didn't I see you jamming out in front of the dance hall?G You must know Armin Barnett. I just bought my new fiddle from him. It was made in Port Townsend by Scott Marckx . |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 07:37:23 -0500, Jim Gilliland
wrote: That's a tough one - if I remember correctly it was back in the days of vinyl. I recall you being listed as a mandolinist, but it's definitely been a while. I'm not really sure why your name stuck with me, but it did. A string band of some sort, I'm sure, but I just can't recall the specific title. Sorry. For some reason, I have an image of a Flying Fish LP in my head when I try to recall it. Did you ever record for Bruce? I played in more than a few string bands and mando was my main axe, but we never really got anywhere and most recordings where just demos. I do have a long history of successful recordings of children's music. I know a bunch of them ended up on Rounder. I sang on an old LP of a band called Flying Mountain it might have made it to Flying Fish, if I played mandolin on it I don't recall. The band leader was a very hot mando, fiddle, guitar guy named Dan Ruben. I remember sitting in with them the odd time at concerts and playing for fun. I never met Bruce. |
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"Paul Stamler" wrote in message
... I don't play many contras these days, but I call some. I play fingerpicked guitar (acoustic, electric and National steel) for English country dances (ancestors to contra) and acoustic and National for waltz-and-vintage nights that draw mostly a contra crowd. Oh -- and I *dance* contra almost every week. Peace, Paul |
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"Brendan Doyle" wrote in message
... Seeing Dan posting here recently, I'd like to put in a plug for Dan's recent CD, "Waitin' On the Break of Day", which I highly recommend - terrific stuff! http://orphonon.utopiandesign.com Dan's a musician's musician in the traditional old-time music world, and you won't find any better. His delightful daughter Rayna is one hell of a fiddler as well, and is one of my favorite people to snag a festival session with on those very rare occasions that I have a chance to do so. Good work on both efforts, Dan! I can testify to the latter; one of the great musical experiences of my life was sitting in on a jam session in the lobby of the hotel at a Folk Alliance conference, a session anchored by Rayna and Bruce Molsky, fiddles an inch apart, making music like you wouldn't believe. Peace, Paul |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
In article writes: Oh, and I'm also a contra dancer. But definitely not a musician. NOt even a drummer? g Well, I'm often found tapping out rhythms on anything handy. And I love to sing. It's a good thing the mic is off during much of my show, because I'm always adding harmonies to the stuff that I play on the air. Even so, it would be quite a stretch to use the term "musician". |
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Paul Gitlitz wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 07:37:23 -0500, Jim Gilliland wrote: For some reason, I have an image of a Flying Fish LP in my head when I try to recall it. Did you ever record for Bruce? I played in more than a few string bands and mando was my main axe, but we never really got anywhere and most recordings where just demos. I do have a long history of successful recordings of children's music. I know a bunch of them ended up on Rounder. I sang on an old LP of a band called Flying Mountain it might have made it to Flying Fish, if I played mandolin on it I don't recall. The band leader was a very hot mando, fiddle, guitar guy named Dan Ruben. I remember sitting in with them the odd time at concerts and playing for fun. I never met Bruce. Hmmm, well I do play children's music from time to time, but I doubt that we're going to identify it. Maybe it was just someone recording one of your tunes - I know that you write a bit. Did you ever do any work or performing here in Northeastern Ohio? |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1105193277k@trad... I haven't done the dance scene in years but I wouldn't be surprised that acoustically it's getting worse. Larger venues, more dancers, and more (but less quality) sound equipment run by people who don't know much more than which direction the sound goes into a microphone, usually a band member who has a few hundred extra bucks. There oughta be a contra dance on every block, with no more than a dozen dancers, three musicians, and no sound system. Ah, for the good old days! Hey, let's not go overboard -- I want at least a small sound reinforcement system for the caller. At weekly English dances we use a little one, with a wireless mic, otherwise no house PA at all. And can we have *two* dozen dancers? Otherwise you get up and down the line way too fast, and there's a paucity of choice among partners. Peace, Paul |
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Paul Gitlitz wrote: On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:27:22 GMT, Brendan Doyle wrote: Paul, I'm curious if you've ever attended the Fiddle Tunes festival in Port Townsend, WA, which must be relatively close to where you live. I really went only once as a crasher. I camped nearby and went to all the late night jams. I showed up about half way through the week and realized that folks had been bonding as they do, and even though I knew lots of folks, I was a bit of an outsider. At least that's how I felt at the time. This is a common experience at intense festivals like Fiddle Tunes (or Clifftop in WV), even for folks that are well "plugged-in" to the scene, but show up late in the festival. However, from the point of view of a full-week participant such as myself, I'm always delighted to see "new blood" arriving in mid or late week to boost the energy level even further and provide more choices of people to play with - so you may not be seen as nearly so much of an outsider as you feel! This occurred almost 20 years ago. I was then saving my dough for a festival at Port Townsend that happened at the end of summer and offered international dancing and music. They had Irish for a couple of years which fiddle tunes avoided. I got to take lessons with Dale Russ and Kevin Burke it was Grand! I never made it to that week, but often wished I could have, as I usually knew many of the faculty and participants. The Festival of American Fiddle Tunes (the full name of "Fiddle Tunes") has loosened their definition of "American" quite a bit over the years, and often includes terrific Irish music now. Last year Tommy Peoples was on the faculty, and this year, I believe Brian Conway will be there, both with Mark Simos accompanying. Dale Russ has been there numerous times, both on the faculty and as a tutor or participant, I believe. They really ought to have Kevin there as well; I can't remember if he's been on the Fiddle Tunes faculty or not (the years all run together after a while). I sometimes make it down for Folklife, though I've often had paying gigs that weekend. Hey didn't I see you jamming out in front of the dance hall?G You know, I've never yet made it up there from CA for Folklife, though if I had, we'd have certainly crossed paths. I'd likely be found playing with Greg and Jere Canote and/or some combination of Seattle players. You must know Armin Barnett. I just bought my new fiddle from him. It was made in Port Townsend by Scott Marckx . I do indeed know Armin. I don't think I knew that Scott builds fiddles, though I see him every year at Fiddle Tunes with his banjo-playing wife Jeanie. Paul, I'd encourage you to come back to Fiddle Tunes again. There's a huge variety of regional styles and fine players to be found (e.g., great Quebecois music!) and these days, there's a hopping campground scene with many folks that don't even sign up for classes and workshops, but play all day in the campground and just get an evening pass that's now available for Building 204 and the schoolhouse, with dances and sessions going far into the wee hours each night. -- Brendan Doyle |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:59:59 -0500, Jim Gilliland
wrote: Did you ever do any work or performing here in Northeastern Ohio? No, I have played Minnesota, Iowa, & Missouri. |
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:26:54 GMT, Brendan Doyle wrote:
Paul, I'd encourage you to come back to Fiddle Tunes again. There's a huge variety of regional styles and fine players to be found (e.g., great Quebecois music!) and these days, there's a hopping campground scene with many folks that don't even sign up for classes and workshops, but play all day in the campground and just get an evening pass that's now available for Building 204 and the schoolhouse, with dances and sessions going far into the wee hours each night. Thank you for the delightful encouragement! I was thinking of taking a change from the wonderful Swing week I usually do up here in Canada. I'm really a fiddle tune guy left to my own devices. perhaps I'll see you this summer. Paul |
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the viola da gamba player couldn't hear himself. Sometimes those monitor doodads are worth having. A viola da gamba in a contradance band? Now that's cooler than a hurdy-gurdy or a xafoon. Carlos |
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