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Mickey, I noticed you've started complaining about people being mean to
you.

Not just to me, bu the whle of RAO is jkust one giant pit of vitriol, with
you as a leader.

The first time, I laughed at the absurdity of the accusation. Then
I realized you were ****ing serious! What a joke that is. Apparently you
actually expect people to indulge your nastiness and irrationality.

I expect civilty from people.

Not
to mention your seemigly infinite stupidity.

So, in Middius worl if you meet someone you deem less smart than yourself,
it's OK to be crude, vulgar and boorish?


I would like to state at this juncture that yes, I do pity you. It's
been obvious for a long time that your mental gears grind slowly and out
of sync.

Coming from someone who mental inclination is to be sadistic and demeaning
to nearly everybody, your comments are not likely to keep me up nights.

Many of us also pity Krooger, but like you, Mr. **** is so
over-the-top obnoxious that irritation and revulsion overcome our
gentler emotions.


George, you have and continue to be worse than Arny in every way.

Anyway, here's my question: Why do you expect people to pat you on the
head when you say such immensely stupid and nasty things? NB: If you
have any question about which of your statements fall into those
categories, you can figure it out by examining the replies to your
posts. Not just the ones from me, or Boon, or BJ, or any of the people
on your enemies list. Over the years, many people have commented on how
stupid and obnoxious you are.

As an addendum, you could reduce the number of insults you receive by
being less stupid. Food for thought.

You could reduce the overall level of vitriol on RAO by removing yourself
from it forever. You offer nothing in the discussion of audio topics, in
fact you seldom mention it.

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
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Mickey, I noticed you've started complaining about people being mean to
you.

Not just to me, bu the whle of RAO is jkust one giant pit of vitriol, with
you as a leader.

The first time, I laughed at the absurdity of the accusation. Then
I realized you were ****ing serious! What a joke that is. Apparently you
actually expect people to indulge your nastiness and irrationality.

I expect civilty from people.

Not
to mention your seemigly infinite stupidity.

So, in Middius worl if you meet someone you deem less smart than yourself,
it's OK to be crude, vulgar and boorish?


I would like to state at this juncture that yes, I do pity you. It's
been obvious for a long time that your mental gears grind slowly and out
of sync.

Coming from someone who mental inclination is to be sadistic and demeaning
to nearly everybody, your comments are not likely to keep me up nights.

Many of us also pity Krooger, but like you, Mr. **** is so
over-the-top obnoxious that irritation and revulsion overcome our
gentler emotions.


George, you have and continue to be worse than Arny in every way.

Anyway, here's my question: Why do you expect people to pat you on the
head when you say such immensely stupid and nasty things? NB: If you
have any question about which of your statements fall into those
categories, you can figure it out by examining the replies to your
posts. Not just the ones from me, or Boon, or BJ, or any of the people
on your enemies list. Over the years, many people have commented on how
stupid and obnoxious you are.

As an addendum, you could reduce the number of insults you receive by
being less stupid. Food for thought.

You could reduce the overall level of vitriol on RAO by removing yourself
from it forever. You offer nothing in the discussion of audio topics, in
fact you seldom mention it.

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Mickey, I noticed you've started complaining about people being mean to
you. The first time, I laughed at the absurdity of the accusation. Then
I realized you were ****ing serious! What a joke that is. Apparently you
actually expect people to indulge your nastiness and irrationality. Not
to mention your seemigly infinite stupidity.

I would like to state at this juncture that yes, I do pity you. It's
been obvious for a long time that your mental gears grind slowly and out
of sync. Many of us also pity Krooger, but like you, Mr. **** is so
over-the-top obnoxious that irritation and revulsion overcome our
gentler emotions.

Anyway, here's my question: Why do you expect people to pat you on the
head when you say such immensely stupid and nasty things? NB: If you
have any question about which of your statements fall into those
categories, you can figure it out by examining the replies to your
posts. Not just the ones from me, or Boon, or BJ, or any of the people
on your enemies list. Over the years, many people have commented on how
stupid and obnoxious you are.

As an addendum, you could reduce the number of insults you receive by
being less stupid. Food for thought.


It's no use, his stupidity is eclipsed by only his total lack of self
awareness.
That is his underlying problem, that is why he is utterly amazed that
those that he offends ove a long period of time would have the audacity
to finally begin dumping back on him.

I pitied him for quite a while, its been years now. The string has run out
now.

Imagine, if possible, a version of Krueger, but far stupider. I know, it's
hard to imagine,
but that's what he is.

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


Mickey, I noticed you've started complaining about people being mean to
you. The first time, I laughed at the absurdity of the accusation. Then
I realized you were ****ing serious! What a joke that is. Apparently you
actually expect people to indulge your nastiness and irrationality. Not
to mention your seemigly infinite stupidity.

I would like to state at this juncture that yes, I do pity you. It's
been obvious for a long time that your mental gears grind slowly and out
of sync. Many of us also pity Krooger, but like you, Mr. **** is so
over-the-top obnoxious that irritation and revulsion overcome our
gentler emotions.

Anyway, here's my question: Why do you expect people to pat you on the
head when you say such immensely stupid and nasty things? NB: If you
have any question about which of your statements fall into those
categories, you can figure it out by examining the replies to your
posts. Not just the ones from me, or Boon, or BJ, or any of the people
on your enemies list. Over the years, many people have commented on how
stupid and obnoxious you are.

As an addendum, you could reduce the number of insults you receive by
being less stupid. Food for thought.


It's no use, his stupidity is eclipsed by only his total lack of self
awareness.
That is his underlying problem, that is why he is utterly amazed that
those that he offends ove a long period of time would have the audacity
to finally begin dumping back on him.

I pitied him for quite a while, its been years now. The string has run out
now.

Imagine, if possible, a version of Krueger, but far stupider. I know, it's
hard to imagine,
but that's what he is.

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"George M. Middius" wrote in message
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What did I tell you? Mikey is hopeless.

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
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duh-Mikey said:

As an addendum, you could reduce the number of insults you receive by
being less stupid. Food for thought.

You could reduce the overall level of vitriol on RAO by removing yourself
from it forever.

Isn't that pretty much what Boon's been saying to you?

The difference is I can and do post on topic for the group and don't
generally attack people for the "crime" of what they think about audio.

You on the other hand nearly always post attacks and almost never post about
audio.

You offer nothing in the discussion of audio topics, in
fact you seldom mention it.

Does that bother you? BTW, kudos on a grammatically correct sentence, even
though you contradicted yourself in the space of a single comma. Saying
"nothing", you see, is distinctly different from "seldom mentioning" a
topic. If only you had begun with "You offer almost nothing...", then you
wouldn't have shown us, yet again, how stupid you are.

And without counting my posts about audio per se, I'll observe that it's
better to give no opinions than to give stupid and ill-informed ones. Does
your mileage vary? ;-)


My opinion on audio are based on practical experience, personal preference,
and electronics. That may stupid and ill-informed for you, but you are not
everybody.

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message
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Mickey, I noticed you've started complaining about people being mean to
you. The first time, I laughed at the absurdity of the accusation. Then
I realized you were ****ing serious! What a joke that is. Apparently you
actually expect people to indulge your nastiness and irrationality. Not
to mention your seemigly infinite stupidity.

I would like to state at this juncture that yes, I do pity you. It's
been obvious for a long time that your mental gears grind slowly and out
of sync. Many of us also pity Krooger, but like you, Mr. **** is so
over-the-top obnoxious that irritation and revulsion overcome our
gentler emotions.

Anyway, here's my question: Why do you expect people to pat you on the
head when you say such immensely stupid and nasty things? NB: If you
have any question about which of your statements fall into those
categories, you can figure it out by examining the replies to your
posts. Not just the ones from me, or Boon, or BJ, or any of the people
on your enemies list. Over the years, many people have commented on how
stupid and obnoxious you are.

As an addendum, you could reduce the number of insults you receive by
being less stupid. Food for thought.


It's no use, his stupidity is eclipsed by only his total lack of self
awareness.
That is his underlying problem, that is why he is utterly amazed that
those that he offends ove a long period of time would have the audacity
to finally begin dumping back on him.

Nice revisionist history.

Except for very rare occaisons when I thought someone'e behavior was just
flat out over the top, I have not attacked people in any audio discussion.

Off topic stuff, particularly about politics was generally incited by
somebody like Sanders in which I tried to present another viewpoint.

I pitied him for quite a while, its been years now. The string has run out
now.

Whatever excuse you can find for being vicious and boorish. Note that I
never said anything bad about you even when we disagreed. You on the other
hand when I wouldn't just concede your viwepoint was correct would then
holler "stupid." If you think I'm going to now think I'm the big bad guy
here, you better think again.

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message
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Mickey, I noticed you've started complaining about people being mean to
you. The first time, I laughed at the absurdity of the accusation. Then
I realized you were ****ing serious! What a joke that is. Apparently you
actually expect people to indulge your nastiness and irrationality. Not
to mention your seemigly infinite stupidity.

I would like to state at this juncture that yes, I do pity you. It's
been obvious for a long time that your mental gears grind slowly and out
of sync. Many of us also pity Krooger, but like you, Mr. **** is so
over-the-top obnoxious that irritation and revulsion overcome our
gentler emotions.

Anyway, here's my question: Why do you expect people to pat you on the
head when you say such immensely stupid and nasty things? NB: If you
have any question about which of your statements fall into those
categories, you can figure it out by examining the replies to your
posts. Not just the ones from me, or Boon, or BJ, or any of the people
on your enemies list. Over the years, many people have commented on how
stupid and obnoxious you are.

As an addendum, you could reduce the number of insults you receive by
being less stupid. Food for thought.


It's no use, his stupidity is eclipsed by only his total lack of self
awareness.
That is his underlying problem, that is why he is utterly amazed that
those that he offends ove a long period of time would have the audacity
to finally begin dumping back on him.

Nice revisionist history.

Except for very rare occaisons when I thought someone'e behavior was just
flat out over the top, I have not attacked people in any audio discussion.

Off topic stuff, particularly about politics was generally incited by
somebody like Sanders in which I tried to present another viewpoint.

I pitied him for quite a while, its been years now. The string has run
out now.

Whatever excuse you can find for being vicious and boorish. Note that I
never said anything bad about you even when we disagreed. You on the
other hand when I wouldn't just concede your viwepoint was correct would
then holler "stupid." If you think I'm going to now think I'm the big bad
guy here, you better think again.



Anybody who thinks we can build a highway sysytem without use of
eminent domain is eminently stupid, and that's de facto!

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"George M. Middius" wrote in message
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Mickey, I noticed you've started complaining about people being mean to
you. The first time, I laughed at the absurdity of the accusation. Then
I realized you were ****ing serious! What a joke that is. Apparently
you
actually expect people to indulge your nastiness and irrationality. Not
to mention your seemigly infinite stupidity.

I would like to state at this juncture that yes, I do pity you. It's
been obvious for a long time that your mental gears grind slowly and
out
of sync. Many of us also pity Krooger, but like you, Mr. **** is so
over-the-top obnoxious that irritation and revulsion overcome our
gentler emotions.

Anyway, here's my question: Why do you expect people to pat you on the
head when you say such immensely stupid and nasty things? NB: If you
have any question about which of your statements fall into those
categories, you can figure it out by examining the replies to your
posts. Not just the ones from me, or Boon, or BJ, or any of the people
on your enemies list. Over the years, many people have commented on how
stupid and obnoxious you are.

As an addendum, you could reduce the number of insults you receive by
being less stupid. Food for thought.


It's no use, his stupidity is eclipsed by only his total lack of self
awareness.
That is his underlying problem, that is why he is utterly amazed that
those that he offends ove a long period of time would have the audacity
to finally begin dumping back on him.

Nice revisionist history.

Except for very rare occaisons when I thought someone'e behavior was just
flat out over the top, I have not attacked people in any audio
discussion.

Off topic stuff, particularly about politics was generally incited by
somebody like Sanders in which I tried to present another viewpoint.

I pitied him for quite a while, its been years now. The string has run
out now.

Whatever excuse you can find for being vicious and boorish. Note that I
never said anything bad about you even when we disagreed. You on the
other hand when I wouldn't just concede your viwepoint was correct would
then holler "stupid." If you think I'm going to now think I'm the big bad
guy here, you better think again.



Anybody who thinks we can build a highway sysytem without use of
eminent domain is eminently stupid, and that's de facto!

In your opinion.

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"George M. Middius" wrote in message
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Mickey, I noticed you've started complaining about people being mean
to
you. The first time, I laughed at the absurdity of the accusation.
Then
I realized you were ****ing serious! What a joke that is. Apparently
you
actually expect people to indulge your nastiness and irrationality.
Not
to mention your seemigly infinite stupidity.

I would like to state at this juncture that yes, I do pity you. It's
been obvious for a long time that your mental gears grind slowly and
out
of sync. Many of us also pity Krooger, but like you, Mr. **** is so
over-the-top obnoxious that irritation and revulsion overcome our
gentler emotions.

Anyway, here's my question: Why do you expect people to pat you on the
head when you say such immensely stupid and nasty things? NB: If you
have any question about which of your statements fall into those
categories, you can figure it out by examining the replies to your
posts. Not just the ones from me, or Boon, or BJ, or any of the people
on your enemies list. Over the years, many people have commented on
how
stupid and obnoxious you are.

As an addendum, you could reduce the number of insults you receive by
being less stupid. Food for thought.


It's no use, his stupidity is eclipsed by only his total lack of self
awareness.
That is his underlying problem, that is why he is utterly amazed that
those that he offends ove a long period of time would have the audacity
to finally begin dumping back on him.

Nice revisionist history.

Except for very rare occaisons when I thought someone'e behavior was
just flat out over the top, I have not attacked people in any audio
discussion.

Off topic stuff, particularly about politics was generally incited by
somebody like Sanders in which I tried to present another viewpoint.

I pitied him for quite a while, its been years now. The string has run
out now.

Whatever excuse you can find for being vicious and boorish. Note that I
never said anything bad about you even when we disagreed. You on the
other hand when I wouldn't just concede your viwepoint was correct would
then holler "stupid." If you think I'm going to now think I'm the big
bad guy here, you better think again.



Anybody who thinks we can build a highway sysytem without use of
eminent domain is eminently stupid, and that's de facto!

In your opinion.


There hasn't been any high way systems built based upon your opinion of the
matter.
There have been hundreds built based upon my opinion of the matter.

Clyde Slick wrote:

There hasn't been any high way systems built based upon your opinion
of the
matter.

Delusions of omniscience noted.

There have been hundreds built based upon my opinion of the matter.

Just for grins Art, why don't you give us an example of one of these
influential opinons that you origionated and resulted in the
construction of 100's of high way audio systems.

I have a friend who basically designed and voiced every audio system
installed in the Jeep Liberty by Chrysler. About 100,000 Jeep Libertys
have been sold, so I guess its safe to say that about 100,000 high way
systems have been built based on his opinons in the matter.

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Mickey, I noticed you've started complaining about people being mean
to
you. The first time, I laughed at the absurdity of the accusation.
Then
I realized you were ****ing serious! What a joke that is. Apparently
you
actually expect people to indulge your nastiness and irrationality.
Not
to mention your seemigly infinite stupidity.

I would like to state at this juncture that yes, I do pity you. It's
been obvious for a long time that your mental gears grind slowly and
out
of sync. Many of us also pity Krooger, but like you, Mr. **** is so
over-the-top obnoxious that irritation and revulsion overcome our
gentler emotions.

Anyway, here's my question: Why do you expect people to pat you on
the
head when you say such immensely stupid and nasty things? NB: If you
have any question about which of your statements fall into those
categories, you can figure it out by examining the replies to your
posts. Not just the ones from me, or Boon, or BJ, or any of the
people
on your enemies list. Over the years, many people have commented on
how
stupid and obnoxious you are.

As an addendum, you could reduce the number of insults you receive by
being less stupid. Food for thought.


It's no use, his stupidity is eclipsed by only his total lack of self
awareness.
That is his underlying problem, that is why he is utterly amazed that
those that he offends ove a long period of time would have the
audacity
to finally begin dumping back on him.

Nice revisionist history.

Except for very rare occaisons when I thought someone'e behavior was
just flat out over the top, I have not attacked people in any audio
discussion.

Off topic stuff, particularly about politics was generally incited by
somebody like Sanders in which I tried to present another viewpoint.

I pitied him for quite a while, its been years now. The string has run
out now.

Whatever excuse you can find for being vicious and boorish. Note that
I never said anything bad about you even when we disagreed. You on the
other hand when I wouldn't just concede your viwepoint was correct
would then holler "stupid." If you think I'm going to now think I'm the
big bad guy here, you better think again.



Anybody who thinks we can build a highway sysytem without use of
eminent domain is eminently stupid, and that's de facto!

In your opinion.


There hasn't been any high way systems built based upon your opinion of
the matter.
There have been hundreds built based upon my opinion of the matter.

The principle is still the same for me. Government should not be able to
separate people from their property by force.

Do I expect to see my ideal of the way things ought to be in my lifetime?
No. That doesn't mean the principle is incorrect.

George M. Middius wrote:


Mickey, I noticed you've started complaining about people being mean to
you. The first time, I laughed at the absurdity of the accusation. Then
I realized you were ****ing serious! What a joke that is. Apparently you
actually expect people to indulge your nastiness and irrationality. Not
to mention your seemigly infinite stupidity.


He is a foul, useless, mental-polution stupid kind of stupid that lacks
any form or kind of an explanation or justification.

Let me explain: I started reading/writing in this group some months ago.
Didn't know any micheal mckelvy before that. Had no grudge on him or any
ill-will for him. Just like towards all other members of the group. So
his stupid-polution was completely unsolicited. Here's what happened : I
had answered a question regarding speakers, someone was seeking
*opinions* as to which speaker, etc, so I suggested my favourite brand :
Sonus Faber. This duh!mikey had previously polluted the thread by first
stating that (direct quote): "As to speakers, they are the weakest link
in the audio chain sinc e they are subject to room interaction and the
fact that designs and drivers ahve gross differences from manufacturer
to manufacturer"

Then he goes on about Sonus Faber (again direct quote): "The only reason
IMO to go with Sonus Faber is looks, since the sound the impart can be
gotten in other brands or in kits." Contradicting himself in the process..

So you buy a "kit" for $300, put it together, and it "imparts" the same
sound as (for instance) a Sonus Faber Stradivari! And while shooting
stupid from the hip, he doesn't mention which kits or other brands
impart the same sound as Sonus Fabers.

It's just mind-boggling HOW someone would be so much of a stupid to 1)
Contradict himself in such a gross way in a given thread. 2) Spew forth
completely unsolicited stupid that lacks any kind of explanation
inner-logic, etc.. Stupid that just suddenly explodes all over the place
leaving behind this stench, this polution, this piles and piles of ****
to clean up, this bad bad feeling.

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Mickey, I noticed you've started complaining about people being mean
to
you. The first time, I laughed at the absurdity of the accusation.
Then
I realized you were ****ing serious! What a joke that is. Apparently
you
actually expect people to indulge your nastiness and irrationality.
Not
to mention your seemigly infinite stupidity.

I would like to state at this juncture that yes, I do pity you. It's
been obvious for a long time that your mental gears grind slowly and
out
of sync. Many of us also pity Krooger, but like you, Mr. **** is so
over-the-top obnoxious that irritation and revulsion overcome our
gentler emotions.

Anyway, here's my question: Why do you expect people to pat you on
the
head when you say such immensely stupid and nasty things? NB: If you
have any question about which of your statements fall into those
categories, you can figure it out by examining the replies to your
posts. Not just the ones from me, or Boon, or BJ, or any of the
people
on your enemies list. Over the years, many people have commented on
how
stupid and obnoxious you are.

As an addendum, you could reduce the number of insults you receive
by
being less stupid. Food for thought.


It's no use, his stupidity is eclipsed by only his total lack of self
awareness.
That is his underlying problem, that is why he is utterly amazed that
those that he offends ove a long period of time would have the
audacity
to finally begin dumping back on him.

Nice revisionist history.

Except for very rare occaisons when I thought someone'e behavior was
just flat out over the top, I have not attacked people in any audio
discussion.

Off topic stuff, particularly about politics was generally incited by
somebody like Sanders in which I tried to present another viewpoint.

I pitied him for quite a while, its been years now. The string has
run out now.

Whatever excuse you can find for being vicious and boorish. Note that
I never said anything bad about you even when we disagreed. You on
the other hand when I wouldn't just concede your viwepoint was correct
would then holler "stupid." If you think I'm going to now think I'm
the big bad guy here, you better think again.



Anybody who thinks we can build a highway sysytem without use of
eminent domain is eminently stupid, and that's de facto!

In your opinion.


There hasn't been any high way systems built based upon your opinion of
the matter.
There have been hundreds built based upon my opinion of the matter.

The principle is still the same for me. Government should not be able to
separate people from their property by force.

Do I expect to see my ideal of the way things ought to be in my lifetime?
No. That doesn't mean the principle is incorrect.


Do you care more about principles, or whether there are public
roads so that the mailman can drive to your house and deliver
your disability check?

What do you think of your mentor's foray into this thread, babbling on
about "highway audio systems"? Are you going to
become as confused as he is?

Arny said:

I have a friend who basically designed and voiced every audio system
installed in the Jeep Liberty by Chrysler. About 100,000 Jeep Libertys
have been sold, so I guess its safe to say that about 100,000 high way
systems have been built based on his opinons in the matter.

You bought one of those pieces of ****, didn't you.

Boon

Marc Phillips wrote:
Arny said:

I have a friend who basically designed and voiced every audio system
installed in the Jeep Liberty by Chrysler. About 100,000 Jeep
Libertys
have been sold, so I guess its safe to say that about 100,000 high
way
systems have been built based on his opinons in the matter.

You bought one of those pieces of ****, didn't you.

The only POS notable in this discussion Phillips is in your mouth. But,
for the record I am not the owner of a Jeep Liberty. I have no SUVs
whatsover.

Fella wrote:

This duh!mikey had previously polluted the thread by first
stating that (direct quote): "As to speakers, they are the weakest
link
in the audio chain since they are subject to room interaction and the

fact that designs and drivers have gross differences from
manufacturer
to manufacturer"

Well Fella, the only pollution I see here is your rousing condemnation
of Mike for telling a truth. Speakers and their interactions with rooms
are the weakest links in the audio chain, closely followed by
microphones and their interactions with performers and performance
spaces.

Then he goes on about Sonus Faber (again direct quote): "The only
reason
IMO to go with Sonus Faber is looks, since the sound they impart can
be
gotten in other brands or in kits." Contradicting himself in the
process..

Again Fella, you obviously need to engage your brain before you unleash
your fingers on the Usenet world. Mike has again shared an important
truth with you.


So you buy a "kit" for $300, put it together, and it "imparts" the
same
sound as (for instance) a Sonus Faber Stradivari!

Of course that isn't what Mike said Fella, and you further diminish
your highly tarnished reputation arouhd here by stuffing those vile
words into Mike's mouth.

And while shooting
stupid from the hip, he doesn't mention which kits or other brands
impart the same sound as Sonus Fabers.

The true goal is obviously not to impart the same sound as the
over-priced, over-styled and under-engineered Fabers, but to impart a
sound that has superior quality.

It's just mind-boggling HOW someone would be so much of a stupid to
1)
Contradict himself in such a gross way in a given thread.

The claimed contradiction exist only in your beknighted mind, Fella.

2) Spew forth
completely unsolicited stupid that lacks any kind of explanation
inner-logic, etc..

As smart as you claim to be Fella, I'm amazed that you haven't figured
out the market segment that Sonus Faber is addressing. An oviously
badly needed hint for the audio tyro: Sonus Faber as a brand has more
do to with looks than sound quality.

Stupid that just suddenly explodes all over the place
leaving behind this stench, this polution, this piles and piles of
****
to clean up, this bad bad feeling.

Since the shoe fits you so well Fella, why not realize that you're
wearing it?

On 3 Jan 2005 07:33:10 -0800, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


Marc Phillips wrote:
Arny said:

I have a friend who basically designed and voiced every audio system
installed in the Jeep Liberty by Chrysler. About 100,000 Jeep
Libertys
have been sold, so I guess its safe to say that about 100,000 high
way
systems have been built based on his opinons in the matter.

You bought one of those pieces of ****, didn't you.

The only POS notable in this discussion Phillips is in your mouth. But,
for the record I am not the owner of a Jeep Liberty. I have no SUVs
whatsover.

Well, also for the record, the fact that you know someone who designed
the Jeep Liberty sound system was an irrelevant point from the get-go.

Clyde Slick wrote:

What do you think of your mentor's foray into this thread, babbling
on
about "highway audio systems"? Are you going to
become as confused as he is?

Showing once again that the simplest pun on Art's incessant and inane
off-topic posting is way over his head.

"Arny Krueger" said:

As smart as you claim to be Fella, I'm amazed that you haven't figured
out the market segment that Sonus Faber is addressing. An oviously
badly needed hint for the audio tyro: Sonus Faber as a brand has more
do to with looks than sound quality.

Is that a fact or an opinion?
Have you ever heard any of their models?

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

Michael McKelvy wrote:

The principle is still the same for me. Government should not be able to
separate people from their property by force.

Mikey forgot the "except outside of U.S. borders" part.

Marc Phillips wrote:

Arny said:


I have a friend who basically designed and voiced every audio system
installed in the Jeep Liberty by Chrysler. About 100,000 Jeep Libertys
have been sold, so I guess its safe to say that about 100,000 high way
systems have been built based on his opinons in the matter.


You bought one of those pieces of ****, didn't you.

I would love to show him the Liberty my friend has and
how it kept being towed out of and over things while
my other friend and her were offroading. His old Bronco
had no problems. Neither did his Wrangler a few months
later. The Liberty is a yuppie toy offroad.

That aside, factory sound systems stink with the exception
of a few of the Lexus and Volvos(Mercedes fails because
they still don't see a CD player as standard equipment
and it's integrated into the security system, for instance).
$1200 for an audio system that you could beat with stock
Kenwood parts and $600 at your local audio sound store - some
price savings. Factory options are the biggest scam in
the automotive industry.

"Fella" wrote in message
.. .
George M. Middius wrote:


Mickey, I noticed you've started complaining about people being mean to
you. The first time, I laughed at the absurdity of the accusation. Then
I realized you were ****ing serious! What a joke that is. Apparently you
actually expect people to indulge your nastiness and irrationality. Not
to mention your seemigly infinite stupidity.


He is a foul, useless, mental-polution stupid kind of stupid that lacks
any form or kind of an explanation or justification.

Let me explain: I started reading/writing in this group some months ago.
Didn't know any micheal mckelvy before that. Had no grudge on him or any
ill-will for him. Just like towards all other members of the group. So his
stupid-polution was completely unsolicited. Here's what happened : I had
answered a question regarding speakers, someone was seeking *opinions* as
to which speaker, etc, so I suggested my favourite brand : Sonus Faber.
This duh!mikey had previously polluted the thread by first stating that
(direct quote): "As to speakers, they are the weakest link in the audio
chain sinc e they are subject to room interaction and the fact that
designs and drivers ahve gross differences from manufacturer to
manufacturer"


This is a true statement.

Then he goes on about Sonus Faber (again direct quote): "The only reason
IMO to go with Sonus Faber is looks, since the sound they impart can be
gotten in other brands or in kits." Contradicting himself in the process..


It wasn't a contradiction. The drive units in a Sonus Faber speaker are, or
at least were available for DIY. The Dynaudio tweeter is now hard to come
by but I beleive a few outlests still have some in stock. This makes it
possible for someone with the skills and equipment to get the same sound
without the overpriced (IMO) cabinetry.

So you buy a "kit" for $300, put it together

The tweeters alone are over $600.00.

, and it "imparts" the same
sound as (for instance) a Sonus Faber Stradivari! And while shooting
stupid from the hip, he doesn't mention which kits or other brands impart
the same sound as Sonus Fabers.

There is not kit that duplicates the Sonus Faber, it would have to be a DIY
design. Of course if you were as smart as you think ou are, you'd
understand that I didn't say there was such a kit.

It certainly is possible to get hold of a Dynaudio T330 tweeter and a
Scan-Speak woofer and with proper equipment, design a system that equals the
Sonus Faber. That is not the same as saying that if you want a Sonus Faber
you shouldn't get one, only that I think they are over priced. YMMV.

"Paul Dormer" wrote in message
...
"Arny Krueger" emitted :

The true goal is obviously not to impart the same sound as the
over-priced, over-styled and under-engineered Fabers, but to impart a
sound that has superior quality.

...I'm amazed that you haven't figured
out the market segment that Sonus Faber is addressing. An oviously
badly needed hint for the audio tyro: Sonus Faber as a brand has more
do to with looks than sound quality.

Newbie readers should completely disregard Mr Kruegers asinine
comments regarding Sonus Faber. This is an extremely competent brand,
producing highly regarded, highly enjoyable, exquisitely musical
speakers.

Yes and they use drivers that are or were available to the DIY market.


The proof in the pudding is in the listening, which I doubt
Mr Krueger has done. Note that this sicko takes exception to almost
any product that is not utilitarian by design.


I don't see where he said it isn't utilitarian, only that it's more about
style than sound. I don't know that there is anything in the style of the
cabinets of Sonus Faber speakers that contributes anything special to the
radiation pattern of the sound coming from the drivers. They do make a
claim that their cabinet virtually eliminates resonance, AFAIK there is no
way to eliminate resonance, only to diminish it.

They are very nice to look at and the 2 way units I have heard sound very
nice, but not IMO worth what they ask. $40,000 for the Stradavari is a bit
much especially when compared to something like the Linkwitz Orion, designed
by a world class designer like Sigried Linkwitz, which IMO are better
looking. YMMV.

Check them out at www.madisound.com and click on the kits link and then the
Orion one.

"Paul Dormer" wrote in message
...
"Michael McKelvy" emitted :

Newbie readers should completely disregard Mr Kruegers asinine
comments regarding Sonus Faber. This is an extremely competent brand,
producing highly regarded, highly enjoyable, exquisitely musical
speakers.

Yes and they use drivers that are or were available to the DIY market.

My amplifier also uses parts which available to the DIY market. If
only I had the knowledge, experience, production facilities, etc etc

The proof in the pudding is in the listening, which I doubt
Mr Krueger has done. Note that this sicko takes exception to almost
any product that is not utilitarian by design.

I don't see where he said it isn't utilitarian, only that it's more about
style than sound.

Congratulations on being partisan to an insult toward Sonus Faber
owners worldwide!

What insult? They are beautiful speakers, they sound very nice as well.
Does that mean they can't be outdone in style and performance? I doubt it.

Check them out at www.madisound.com and click on the kits link and then
the
Orion one.

I don't do kit speakers. I buy professionally designed products.


So Sigfried Linkwitz is not a professional designer in your onion?

One look at the Orion and I think you'd be very impressed. The sound great
as well.

You can order them as kit with or without blank circuit boards, or as a
fully assembled system ready to play for $6500.00 U.S. built to order.

Any way you look at it, these are impressive looking and sounding speakers.

Michael McKelvy a écrit :

So Sigfried Linkwitz is not a professional designer in your onion?

LOL ! :-)

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
k.net...

"Paul Dormer" wrote in message
...
"Michael McKelvy" emitted :

Newbie readers should completely disregard Mr Kruegers asinine
comments regarding Sonus Faber. This is an extremely competent brand,
producing highly regarded, highly enjoyable, exquisitely musical
speakers.

Yes and they use drivers that are or were available to the DIY market.

My amplifier also uses parts which available to the DIY market. If
only I had the knowledge, experience, production facilities, etc etc

The proof in the pudding is in the listening, which I doubt
Mr Krueger has done. Note that this sicko takes exception to almost
any product that is not utilitarian by design.

I don't see where he said it isn't utilitarian, only that it's more about
style than sound.

Congratulations on being partisan to an insult toward Sonus Faber
owners worldwide!

What insult? They are beautiful speakers, they sound very nice as well.
Does that mean they can't be outdone in style and performance? I doubt
it.

Check them out at www.madisound.com and click on the kits link and then
the
Orion one.

I don't do kit speakers. I buy professionally designed products.


So Sigfried Linkwitz is not a professional designer in your onion?


OK OK. That should be your opinion.


One look at the Orion and I think you'd be very impressed. The sound
great as well.

You can order them as kit with or without blank circuit boards, or as a
fully assembled system ready to play for $6500.00 U.S. built to order.

Any way you look at it, these are impressive looking and sounding
speakers.

"Lionel" wrote in message
...
Michael McKelvy a écrit :

So Sigfried Linkwitz is not a professional designer in your onion?

LOL ! :-)

Opinion, OK.

Arny said:

Marc Phillips wrote:
Arny said:

I have a friend who basically designed and voiced every audio system
installed in the Jeep Liberty by Chrysler. About 100,000 Jeep
Libertys
have been sold, so I guess its safe to say that about 100,000 high
way
systems have been built based on his opinons in the matter.

You bought one of those pieces of ****, didn't you.

The only POS notable in this discussion Phillips is in your mouth. But,
for the record I am not the owner of a Jeep Liberty. I have no SUVs
whatsover.

Too bad. It would be a step up from your POS Mystique and POS Villager.

Boon

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
ups.com...

Clyde Slick wrote:

What do you think of your mentor's foray into this thread, babbling
on
about "highway audio systems"? Are you going to
become as confused as he is?

Showing once again that the simplest pun on Art's incessant and inane
off-topic posting is way over his head.

Nice lie!!!
you are totally insane. you have fallen off the deep end.

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
.net...


I think that ones values should be non-contradictory. If it's not OK for
an individual to separate you from your property, it should not be OK for
government to do it.


Well, an individual can't compel you to pay taxes, and a government can.
An individual cannot put you in trial and sentence you to jail, but
a government can. An individual cannot comppel you to fight n a war,
and a government can.




What do you think of your mentor's foray into this thread, babbling on
about "highway audio systems"? Are you going to
become as confused as he is?
None of my mentors is commenting on this thread.

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
.net...


I think that ones values should be non-contradictory. If it's not OK for
an individual to separate you from your property, it should not be OK for
government to do it.


Well, an individual can't compel you to pay taxes, and a government can.
An individual cannot put you in trial and sentence you to jail, but
a government can. An individual cannot comppel you to fight n a war,
and a government can.

Is there any point in rehashing all of this again?

Joseph Oberlander wrote:

I would love to show him the Liberty my friend has and
how it kept being towed out of and over things while
my other friend and her were offroading. His old Bronco
had no problems. Neither did his Wrangler a few months
later. The Liberty is a yuppie toy offroad.

Darn, and here I thought this was an audio forum and the topic was
audio systems.

That aside, factory sound systems stink with the exception
of a few of the Lexus and Volvos(Mercedes fails because
they still don't see a CD player as standard equipment
and it's integrated into the security system, for instance).

Delusions of omnisicence noted.

$1200 for an audio system that you could beat with stock
Kenwood parts and $600 at your local audio sound store - some
price savings. Factory options are the biggest scam in
the automotive industry.

Additional delusions of omniscience and delusions of being a unbiased
judge of good sound, noted.

In fact there are any number of OEM sound systems that sound great. A
lot of what you pay for with a factory sound system isn't reflected in
the sound - its reflected in the fact that its built to last out the
rest of the car's warranty, which most after-market sound systems
aren't.

For example, OEMs pay about the same money or even a little more in
10,000 lots for receiver chassis as you'll pay for just one down at the
corner CarTunes shop. The major difference is how long the respective
devices are warranteed for, and how long they will actually, on the
average, last.

Clyde Slick wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
ups.com...

Clyde Slick wrote:

What do you think of your mentor's foray into this thread,
babbling
on
about "highway audio systems"? Are you going to
become as confused as he is?

Showing once again that the simplest pun on Art's incessant and
inane
off-topic posting is way over his head.

Nice lie!!!

That what all the Middius clones say when they've tripped on their own
tongues.

you are totally insane. you have fallen off the deep end.

No, I'm having several good laughs at your expense, Art. You've
compounded your illiteracy with the lack of intelligence required to
discern a simple pun.

Paul Dormer wrote:
"Arny Krueger" emitted :

The true goal is obviously not to impart the same sound as the
over-priced, over-styled and under-engineered Fabers, but to impart
a
sound that has superior quality.

...I'm amazed that you haven't figured
out the market segment that Sonus Faber is addressing. An oviously
badly needed hint for the audio tyro: Sonus Faber as a brand has
more
do to with looks than sound quality.

Newbie readers should completely disregard Mr Kruegers asinine
comments regarding Sonus Faber. This is an extremely competent brand,
producing highly regarded, highly enjoyable, exquisitely musical
speakers.

If anybody bothers to read what I actually wrote, they'll find zip,
nada that says otherwise. All I was trying to communicate is that the
speakers are real lookers, perhaps at the expense of sound quality for
the price.

The proof in the pudding is in the listening, which I doubt
Mr Krueger has done.

Doubt as you will, Paul.

Note that this sicko takes exception to almost
any product that is not utilitarian by design.

Just goes to show that Dormer is the kind of fool who can't tell the
difference between my claim that it actually costs something for the
nifty cabnetry, and this weird idea that this means that I think that
every speaker is supposed to be as ugly as he is.

Sander deWaal wrote:
"Arny Krueger" said:

As smart as you claim to be Fella, I'm amazed that you haven't
figured
out the market segment that Sonus Faber is addressing. An oviously
badly needed hint for the audio tyro: Sonus Faber as a brand has
more
do to with looks than sound quality.

Is that a fact or an opinion?

If you can't tell the diference Sander, you can't benefit from an
answer to the following question:
Have you ever heard any of their models?

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
k.net...

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
.net...


I think that ones values should be non-contradictory. If it's not OK
for an individual to separate you from your property, it should not be
OK for government to do it.


Well, an individual can't compel you to pay taxes, and a government can.
An individual cannot put you in trial and sentence you to jail, but
a government can. An individual cannot comppel you to fight n a war,
and a government can.

Is there any point in rehashing all of this again?

Well, not after you just trapped yourself into a corner.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
oups.com...

Clyde Slick wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
ups.com...

Clyde Slick wrote:

What do you think of your mentor's foray into this thread,
babbling
on
about "highway audio systems"? Are you going to
become as confused as he is?

Showing once again that the simplest pun on Art's incessant and
inane
off-topic posting is way over his head.

Nice lie!!!

That what all the Middius clones say when they've tripped on their own
tongues.

you are totally insane. you have fallen off the deep end.

No, I'm having several good laughs at your expense, Art. You've
compounded your illiteracy with the lack of intelligence required to
discern a simple pun.


Soory, I am not conversant in Kroohumor, such that it is.

Arny Krueger wrote:

Joseph Oberlander wrote:


I would love to show him the Liberty my friend has and
how it kept being towed out of and over things while
my other friend and her were offroading. His old Bronco
had no problems. Neither did his Wrangler a few months
later. The Liberty is a yuppie toy offroad.


Darn, and here I thought this was an audio forum and the topic was
audio systems.


That aside, factory sound systems stink with the exception
of a few of the Lexus and Volvos(Mercedes fails because
they still don't see a CD player as standard equipment
and it's integrated into the security system, for instance).


Delusions of omnisicence noted.

No, most factory systems sound like crap. The Bose syndrome.
Okay sound but at insane markups(let alone the cars with
Bose in them)

$1200 for an audio system that you could beat with stock
Kenwood parts and $600 at your local audio sound store - some
price savings. Factory options are the biggest scam in
the automotive industry.


Additional delusions of omniscience and delusions of being a unbiased
judge of good sound, noted.

I never said I was unbiased. So the rest of this blather of yours
is meaningless. I'm biased as hell, so live with it, Arny.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
oups.com...

Joseph Oberlander wrote:

I would love to show him the Liberty my friend has and
how it kept being towed out of and over things while
my other friend and her were offroading. His old Bronco
had no problems. Neither did his Wrangler a few months
later. The Liberty is a yuppie toy offroad.

Darn, and here I thought this was an audio forum and the topic was
audio systems.

That aside, factory sound systems stink with the exception
of a few of the Lexus and Volvos(Mercedes fails because
they still don't see a CD player as standard equipment
and it's integrated into the security system, for instance).

Delusions of omnisicence noted.

$1200 for an audio system that you could beat with stock
Kenwood parts and $600 at your local audio sound store - some
price savings. Factory options are the biggest scam in
the automotive industry.

Additional delusions of omniscience and delusions of being a unbiased
judge of good sound, noted.

In fact there are any number of OEM sound systems that sound great. A
lot of what you pay for with a factory sound system isn't reflected in
the sound - its reflected in the fact that its built to last out the
rest of the car's warranty, which most after-market sound systems
aren't.

For example, OEMs pay about the same money or even a little more in
10,000 lots for receiver chassis as you'll pay for just one down at the
corner CarTunes shop. The major difference is how long the respective
devices are warranteed for, and how long they will actually, on the
average, last.

There's also the fact that a good factory installed system has been
engineered to sound good in the particular car it is installed in. After
market systems IME aren't.