While America complains of Terrorist training camps in other parts of
the world, there is one in Miami that is financed by the American
Government

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2004/dic...2alpha2-i.html

OK......that does it!!!!!!! I'm not sending you any more of my ribbbons to
repair.

g

"Nmm" wrote in message
om...
While America complains of Terrorist training camps in other parts of
the world, there is one in Miami that is financed by the American
Government

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2004/dic...2alpha2-i.html

Nmm wrote:
While America complains of Terrorist training camps in other parts of
the world, there is one in Miami that is financed by the American
Government

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2004/dic...2alpha2-i.html

I didn't see the part about being financed by the US government. How
much are they receiving and who's giving it to them?

Paul Thomas wrote:
Nmm wrote:
While America complains of Terrorist training camps in other parts
of
the world, there is one in Miami that is financed by the American
Government

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2004/dic...2alpha2-i.html

I didn't see the part about being financed by the US government. How
much are they receiving and who's giving it to them?


Aplha 66 and Omega7 have long been conected to the CIA. I believe
that the CIA budget is classified. That''s why operations like
Iran-Contra happen.

Either way these people are terrorists, they have blown up civilian
airliners, machineginned beach resorts, and commited other such acts
and they have a training camp in Miami.

Bush 41 also pardoned Orlando Boshe, and the Cuban anti-terrorist
agents that were trailing this terrorist after his release are now
serving life sentances ( see Miami 5 )

Whatever happened to "Practice what you Preach", not from the american
holy roller government.

Brother Castro says so....

You know, the great thing is that your link starts with granma.cu so I know
right off the bat that this is Fidel Castro propaganda.

And if you're interested in terrorism and Cuba, I'd invite you to read about
the financing and training Castro gave to the marxist guerrillas that have
my native country, Colombia, ****ed up.

That's all I would ask, that if you're genuinely interested in these
political affairs, look for both sides of the coin.

JL

"Nmm" wrote in message
om...
While America complains of Terrorist training camps in other parts of
the world, there is one in Miami that is financed by the American
Government

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2004/dic...2alpha2-i.html

On 20 Dec 2004 00:46:39 -0800, (Nmm) wrote:

While America complains of Terrorist training camps in other parts of
the world, there is one in Miami that is financed by the American
Government

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2004/dic...2alpha2-i.html

What about the one in Georgia, the US military training camp
"formerly known as the School of The Americas"? There have been yearly
protest there (by (leftist) Americans) for probably at least a decade.
IIRC they changed the name in an attempt to deflect some bad publicity
and say it's a different now, but it's allegedly the same old place.

-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

nmm wrote:
...they have blown up civilian airliners...

That's another thing I didn't see in the article you provided a link
to...

JL wrote:
You know, the great thing is that your link starts with granma.cu so
I know
right off the bat that this is Fidel Castro propaganda.

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2004/dic...2alpha2-i.html

So you can justify blowing up civilian airliners, and machine gunning
beach resorts? Please Justify these acts. It is a fact that a Civilian
airliner was blown up with 123 people on board by Orlando Boshe ( Alpha
66 ), who was later pardoned by George H.W. Bush. He Lives comfortably
in Miami; Why? Alpha 66 are allowed to operate in America, Why?


And if you're interested in terrorism and Cuba, I'd invite you to
read about
the financing and training Castro gave to the marxist guerrillas that
have
my native country, Colombia, ****ed up.


Columbia, where Cocca Cola has killed 21 Union leaders, a couple of
them right in the bottleing plant while they were negotiating
contracts. I don't see how Cuba is involved in that.


Columbia's unrest has a lot more to do with internal mismanagement
than anything else. You should try and find solutions to the problems
there, rather than running away, or blaming external factors.



That's all I would ask, that if you're genuinely interested in these
political affairs, look for both sides of the coin.


You obviously don't look at both sides of the coin if you dismiss
Granma as "Castro Propaganda".

Why is it Venezuala, Brasil and others can fix their problems and All
we get from Columbia is complainers terrorists, and blamers.

JL wrote:
You know, the great thing is that your link starts with granma.cu so
I know
right off the bat that this is Fidel Castro propaganda.

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2004/dic...2alpha2-i.html

So you can justify blowing up civilian airliners, and machine gunning
beach resorts? Please Justify these acts. It is a fact that a Civilian
airliner was blown up with 123 people on board by Orlando Boshe ( Alpha
66 ), who was later pardoned by George H.W. Bush. He Lives comfortably
in Miami; Why? Alpha 66 are allowed to operate in America, Why?


And if you're interested in terrorism and Cuba, I'd invite you to
read about
the financing and training Castro gave to the marxist guerrillas that
have
my native country, Colombia, ****ed up.


Columbia, where Cocca Cola has killed 21 Union leaders, a couple of
them right in the bottleing plant while they were negotiating
contracts. I don't see how Cuba is involved in that.


Columbia's unrest has a lot more to do with internal mismanagement
than anything else. You should try and find solutions to the problems
there, rather than running away, or blaming external factors.



That's all I would ask, that if you're genuinely interested in these
political affairs, look for both sides of the coin.


You obviously don't look at both sides of the coin if you dismiss
Granma as "Castro Propaganda".

Why is it Venezuala, Brasil and others can fix their problems and All
we get from Columbia is complainers terrorists, and blamers.

I'm, sure you live in Columbia so you understand what's happening there much
better than someone who grew up there because you can read, right?

"nmm" wrote in message
oups.com...

JL wrote:
You know, the great thing is that your link starts with granma.cu so
I know
right off the bat that this is Fidel Castro propaganda.

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2004/dic...2alpha2-i.html

So you can justify blowing up civilian airliners, and machine gunning
beach resorts? Please Justify these acts. It is a fact that a Civilian
airliner was blown up with 123 people on board by Orlando Boshe ( Alpha
66 ), who was later pardoned by George H.W. Bush. He Lives comfortably
in Miami; Why? Alpha 66 are allowed to operate in America, Why?


And if you're interested in terrorism and Cuba, I'd invite you to
read about
the financing and training Castro gave to the marxist guerrillas that
have
my native country, Colombia, ****ed up.


Columbia, where Cocca Cola has killed 21 Union leaders, a couple of
them right in the bottleing plant while they were negotiating
contracts. I don't see how Cuba is involved in that.


Columbia's unrest has a lot more to do with internal mismanagement
than anything else. You should try and find solutions to the problems
there, rather than running away, or blaming external factors.



That's all I would ask, that if you're genuinely interested in these
political affairs, look for both sides of the coin.


You obviously don't look at both sides of the coin if you dismiss
Granma as "Castro Propaganda".

Why is it Venezuala, Brasil and others can fix their problems and All
we get from Columbia is complainers terrorists, and blamers.

Animix wrote:
I'm, sure you live in Columbia so you understand what's happening
there much
better than someone who grew up there because you can read, right?


I've traveled all over south america several times, including Cuba, so
i know a lot more about it than some dip**** that has never left the
backwoods of Colorado.



"nmm" wrote in message
oups.com...

JL wrote:
You know, the great thing is that your link starts with granma.cu
so
I know
right off the bat that this is Fidel Castro propaganda.

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2004/dic...2alpha2-i.html

So you can justify blowing up civilian airliners, and machine
gunning
beach resorts? Please Justify these acts. It is a fact that a
Civilian
airliner was blown up with 123 people on board by Orlando Boshe (
Alpha
66 ), who was later pardoned by George H.W. Bush. He Lives
comfortably
in Miami; Why? Alpha 66 are allowed to operate in America, Why?


And if you're interested in terrorism and Cuba, I'd invite you to
read about
the financing and training Castro gave to the marxist guerrillas
that
have
my native country, Colombia, ****ed up.


Columbia, where Cocca Cola has killed 21 Union leaders, a couple of
them right in the bottleing plant while they were negotiating
contracts. I don't see how Cuba is involved in that.


Columbia's unrest has a lot more to do with internal mismanagement
than anything else. You should try and find solutions to the
problems
there, rather than running away, or blaming external factors.



That's all I would ask, that if you're genuinely interested in
these
political affairs, look for both sides of the coin.


You obviously don't look at both sides of the coin if you dismiss
Granma as "Castro Propaganda".

Why is it Venezuala, Brasil and others can fix their problems and
All
we get from Columbia is complainers terrorists, and blamers.

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:31:32 -0700, "Animix"
wrote:

I'm, sure you live in Columbia so you understand what's happening there much
better than someone who grew up there because you can read, right?

Just because the guy grew up there doesn't mean he doesn't have an
agenda.

Al

"nmm" wrote in message
roups.com...

JL wrote:
You know, the great thing is that your link starts with granma.cu so
I know
right off the bat that this is Fidel Castro propaganda.

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2004/dic...2alpha2-i.html

So you can justify blowing up civilian airliners, and machine gunning
beach resorts? Please Justify these acts. It is a fact that a Civilian
airliner was blown up with 123 people on board by Orlando Boshe ( Alpha
66 ), who was later pardoned by George H.W. Bush. He Lives comfortably
in Miami; Why? Alpha 66 are allowed to operate in America, Why?


And if you're interested in terrorism and Cuba, I'd invite you to
read about
the financing and training Castro gave to the marxist guerrillas that
have
my native country, Colombia, ****ed up.


Columbia, where Cocca Cola has killed 21 Union leaders, a couple of
them right in the bottleing plant while they were negotiating
contracts. I don't see how Cuba is involved in that.


Columbia's unrest has a lot more to do with internal mismanagement
than anything else. You should try and find solutions to the problems
there, rather than running away, or blaming external factors.



That's all I would ask, that if you're genuinely interested in these
political affairs, look for both sides of the coin.


You obviously don't look at both sides of the coin if you dismiss
Granma as "Castro Propaganda".

Why is it Venezuala, Brasil and others can fix their problems and All
we get from Columbia is complainers terrorists, and blamers.

Sorry dude, I used to live in Cali.........also in El Salvador, Nicaragua,
Honduras,Guatemala and Mexico and have visited Cuba myself. Prior to moving
to Colorado, I lived in Austin. My next door neighbor was Jorge Lara Braun.
Dr. Braun has been one of the most outspoken activists about the College of
the Americas. I spent many hours with him discussing the situation in
central America with the goon squads that are trained here. He will be the
first to admit that yes, they are monsters..........and so are the goon
squads that were trained by the Cubans in the 70's and 80's. When we moved
to Colorado, Dr. Braun bought our house from us...

As usual, you assume wrongly (but your consistent obnoxiousness is
refreshing).

DJ

"nmm" wrote in message
oups.com...

Animix wrote:
I'm, sure you live in Columbia so you understand what's happening
there much
better than someone who grew up there because you can read, right?


I've traveled all over south america several times, including Cuba, so
i know a lot more about it than some dip**** that has never left the
backwoods of Colorado.



"nmm" wrote in message
oups.com...

JL wrote:
You know, the great thing is that your link starts with granma.cu
so
I know
right off the bat that this is Fidel Castro propaganda.

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2004/dic...2alpha2-i.html

So you can justify blowing up civilian airliners, and machine
gunning
beach resorts? Please Justify these acts. It is a fact that a
Civilian
airliner was blown up with 123 people on board by Orlando Boshe (
Alpha
66 ), who was later pardoned by George H.W. Bush. He Lives
comfortably
in Miami; Why? Alpha 66 are allowed to operate in America, Why?


And if you're interested in terrorism and Cuba, I'd invite you to
read about
the financing and training Castro gave to the marxist guerrillas
that
have
my native country, Colombia, ****ed up.


Columbia, where Cocca Cola has killed 21 Union leaders, a couple of
them right in the bottleing plant while they were negotiating
contracts. I don't see how Cuba is involved in that.


Columbia's unrest has a lot more to do with internal mismanagement
than anything else. You should try and find solutions to the
problems
there, rather than running away, or blaming external factors.



That's all I would ask, that if you're genuinely interested in
these
political affairs, look for both sides of the coin.


You obviously don't look at both sides of the coin if you dismiss
Granma as "Castro Propaganda".

Why is it Venezuala, Brasil and others can fix their problems and
All
we get from Columbia is complainers terrorists, and blamers.

Animix wrote:
OK......that does it!!!!!!! I'm not sending you any more of my
ribbbons to repair.

LOL! That could be a great running joke as a canned response for
off-topic posts. Imagine it done in the voice of Seinfeld's
"soup-nazi".

"NO RIBBON MIC'S FOR YOU!"

;-)

"nmm" wrote in message
oups.com...
You obviously don't look at both sides of the coin if you dismiss
Granma as "Castro Propaganda".

Why is it Venezuala, Brasil and others can fix their problems and All
we get from Columbia is complainers terrorists, and blamers.

This is the last reply I will make to your disrespectful message.

I LOST relatives in the conflict. I travel twice a year and all my family
lives there. Is that enough involvement for you?

Complainers, terrorists and blamers? How about thousands of young colombian
men dead fighting what Castro started in the 70s. Is that just being
complainers?

You're obviously not very bright, nor have any manners for engaging in any
reasonable discussion. If you call Granma anything but the official Castro
spin, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

JL

PS: good point, I could have an agenda despite being born there, except all
I wrote was that anyone interested in all this should look for more views on
the conflict, because taking anything written on Granma by itself is just
plain dumb. (or perhaps nmm is an agent of Castro's... perhaps there's your
agenda... )

.. (or perhaps nmm is an agent of Castro's... perhaps there's your
agenda... )


He's just a frothing leftist ******. Castro's too smart to actually employ
such a dope. He'd be too much of a liability. However, Castro doesn't mind
idiots like this running around spewing propaganda, as long as he can throw
them under the train when they totally **** up.

:O)

"JL" wrote in message
...
"nmm" wrote in message
oups.com...
You obviously don't look at both sides of the coin if you dismiss
Granma as "Castro Propaganda".

Why is it Venezuala, Brasil and others can fix their problems and All
we get from Columbia is complainers terrorists, and blamers.

This is the last reply I will make to your disrespectful message.

I LOST relatives in the conflict. I travel twice a year and all my family
lives there. Is that enough involvement for you?

Complainers, terrorists and blamers? How about thousands of young
colombian
men dead fighting what Castro started in the 70s. Is that just being
complainers?

You're obviously not very bright, nor have any manners for engaging in any
reasonable discussion. If you call Granma anything but the official Castro
spin, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

JL

PS: good point, I could have an agenda despite being born there, except
all
I wrote was that anyone interested in all this should look for more views
on
the conflict, because taking anything written on Granma by itself is just
plain dumb. (or perhaps nmm is an agent of Castro's... perhaps there's
your
agenda... )

JL wrote:
"nmm" wrote in message
oups.com...
You obviously don't look at both sides of the coin if you dismiss
Granma as "Castro Propaganda".

Why is it Venezuala, Brasil and others can fix their problems and
All
we get from Columbia is complainers terrorists, and blamers.

This is the last reply I will make to your disrespectful message.


I respect people that deserve it, you are not one of them.

I LOST relatives in the conflict. I travel twice a year and all my
family
lives there. Is that enough involvement for you?

Complainers, terrorists and blamers? How about thousands of young
colombian
men dead fighting what Castro started in the 70s. Is that just being
complainers?

Damm straight!
and I'll tell you why. People that are moving ahead with things are
not blaming ficticious revolutionaries from the 1970s.

Columbia has been in a perpetual state of kaos. Part due to
mismanagement by the so called 'elite', and it's major 'resource' being
cocaine. The Class of people in Columbia that see fit to play the game
with the US government and keep their country the way it is for their
own self serving needs are the real problem.



You're obviously not very bright, nor have any manners for engaging
in any
reasonable discussion.

When talking to the ignorant people i talk in a tone that they can
comprehend.

If you call Granma anything but the official Castro
spin, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.


As much spin as seeing Alvaro Coke Dealer Aribe being interviewed by
Fox News.


Ofcourse all this discussion is OFF TOPIC; Meaning you know that the
USA is training terrorists, that people pardoned by BUsh 41 have blown
up civillian airliners, Yet somehow, because you are Columbian you want
to talk about Columbia. Because you are trying to blame Cuba for
Columbia's problems that somehow makes killing Cuban, and Venezualan
civillians OK. Is that your point JL? Is that what you are trying to
say It's OK to be a terrorist. well no wonder Columbia is in such a
state with clear thinkers like you.




JL

PS: good point, I could have an agenda despite being born there,
except all
I wrote was that anyone interested in all this should look for more
views on
the conflict, because taking anything written on Granma by itself is
just
plain dumb. (or perhaps nmm is an agent of Castro's... perhaps
there's your
agenda... )


"The Conflict" will end when American assination plots against
Castro, Chavez, and all and Terrorist groups funded by America are
stopped.

Granma is as useful a resource as any American news source, their
articles are reprinted and translated more in the world media than any
American press. That American Press which is considered a joke in most
of the world.

Animix wrote:
Sorry dude, I used to live in Cali.........also in El Salvador,
Nicaragua,
Honduras,Guatemala and Mexico and have visited Cuba myself. Prior to
moving
to Colorado, I lived in Austin. My next door neighbor was Jorge Lara
Braun.
Dr. Braun has been one of the most outspoken activists about the
College of
the Americas. I spent many hours with him discussing the situation in
central America with the goon squads that are trained here. He will
be the
first to admit that yes, they are monsters....

"He will be the first to admit", so he didn't convince you?


......and so are the goon
squads that were trained by the Cubans in the 70's and 80's.


As if they were the only ones.

When we moved
to Colorado, Dr. Braun bought our house from us...

Did he get a good deal on it, he in a Pastor after all.


As usual, you assume wrongly (but your consistent obnoxiousness is
refreshing).

DJ


Well fight Fire with Fire they say..

So i don't understand your position on this. You Know about it all
and just don't care, or You see "economic dominance and exploitation"
as somehow being a good thing.

On the question i brought up in the first place. You approve of Alpha
66 and Omega 7 operating in America without obstructions? Doesn't that
make all America's anti-terrorist complaints invalid.

JL wrote:
"nmm" wrote in message
oups.com...
You obviously don't look at both sides of the coin if you dismiss
Granma as "Castro Propaganda".

Why is it Venezuala, Brasil and others can fix their problems and
All
we get from Columbia is complainers terrorists, and blamers.

This is the last reply I will make to your disrespectful message.


I respect people that deserve it, you are not one of them.

I LOST relatives in the conflict. I travel twice a year and all my
family
lives there. Is that enough involvement for you?

Complainers, terrorists and blamers? How about thousands of young
colombian
men dead fighting what Castro started in the 70s. Is that just being
complainers?

Damm straight!
and I'll tell you why. People that are moving ahead with things are
not blaming ficticious revolutionaries from the 1970s.

Columbia has been in a perpetual state of kaos. Part due to
mismanagement by the so called 'elite', and it's major 'resource' being
cocaine. The Class of people in Columbia that see fit to play the game
with the US government and keep their country the way it is for their
own self serving needs are the real problem.



You're obviously not very bright, nor have any manners for engaging
in any
reasonable discussion.

When talking to the ignorant people i talk in a tone that they can
comprehend.

If you call Granma anything but the official Castro
spin, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.


As much spin as seeing Alvaro Coke Dealer Aribe being interviewed by
Fox News.


Ofcourse all this discussion is OFF TOPIC; Meaning you know that the
USA is training terrorists, that people pardoned by BUsh 41 have blown
up civillian airliners, Yet somehow, because you are Columbian you want
to talk about Columbia. Because you are trying to blame Cuba for
Columbia's problems that somehow makes killing Cuban, and Venezualan
civillians OK. Is that your point JL? Is that what you are trying to
say It's OK to be a terrorist. well no wonder Columbia is in such a
state with clear thinkers like you.




JL

PS: good point, I could have an agenda despite being born there,
except all
I wrote was that anyone interested in all this should look for more
views on
the conflict, because taking anything written on Granma by itself is
just
plain dumb. (or perhaps nmm is an agent of Castro's... perhaps
there's your
agenda... )


"The Conflict" will end when American assination plots against
Castro, Chavez, and all and Terrorist groups funded by America are
stopped.

Granma is as useful a resource as any American news source, their
articles are reprinted and translated more in the world media than any
American press. That American Press which is considered a joke in most
of the world.

"nmm" wrote in message
ups.com...

Animix wrote:
Sorry dude, I used to live in Cali.........also in El Salvador,
Nicaragua,
Honduras,Guatemala and Mexico and have visited Cuba myself. Prior to
moving
to Colorado, I lived in Austin. My next door neighbor was Jorge Lara
Braun.
Dr. Braun has been one of the most outspoken activists about the
College of
the Americas. I spent many hours with him discussing the situation in
central America with the goon squads that are trained here. He will
be the
first to admit that yes, they are monsters....

"He will be the first to admit", so he didn't convince you?

He didn't need to convice me. I've seen plenty of the ugliness that both
sides have created. It wasn't about convincing anyone of anything. It was
more about comparing our respective experiences with each other.



......and so are the goon
squads that were trained by the Cubans in the 70's and 80's.


As if they were the only ones.

I was in El Salvador and Nicaragua in the 70's. I saw plenty of goons on
both sides.......but they are on *both* sides, not just pro American goons.
Neither is a good thing, but your perspective on this seems to be that
Castro is some kind of *good guy*, just as I've heard you say that you think
that Arafat wasn't a terrorist.


When we moved
to Colorado, Dr. Braun bought our house from us...

Did he get a good deal on it, he in a Pastor after all.

I won't even dignify this slimeball inquiry. I do however, believe that the
property may currently be being used as a shelter for legal political
refugees and as a clearinghouse for immigrants who are being threatened to
try to acquire them some sort of legal residence status here. I'll probably
be talking to him in a few weeks when I'm down there. He's a very decent
human being who is trying to help people.


As usual, you assume wrongly (but your consistent obnoxiousness is
refreshing).

DJ


Well fight Fire with Fire they say..

So i don't understand your position on this. You Know about it all
and just don't care, or You see "economic dominance and exploitation"
as somehow being a good thing.

What do you really know about Columbia. You say you have travelled there and
elsewhere in South America. Travelling is nothing compared to planting one's
self somewhere and living there, sharing the life of the people who live
there. Most Columbians that I know certainly aren't into wanting war or
wanting their kids to associate with FARC or the druglords that pay FARC
from protection.

Now before you start ranting about how you have read that the president of
Columbia is in league with the dealers, go down there and live for an
extended period of time and see what the F*** is really happening and how
things have to work in order to accommodate the shifting political
situation, not what you see from the windows of a plane, or hotel room.

On the question i brought up in the first place. You approve of Alpha
66 and Omega 7 operating in America without obstructions? Doesn't that
make all America's anti-terrorist complaints invalid.

I never said I approved of anything. Go back and check. You won't find it.

DJ

Animix wrote:
"nmm" wrote in message
ups.com...

Animix wrote:
Sorry dude, I used to live in Cali.........also in El Salvador,
Nicaragua,
Honduras,Guatemala and Mexico and have visited Cuba myself. Prior
to
moving
to Colorado, I lived in Austin. My next door neighbor was Jorge
Lara
Braun.
Dr. Braun has been one of the most outspoken activists about the
College of
the Americas. I spent many hours with him discussing the
situation in
central America with the goon squads that are trained here. He
will
be the
first to admit that yes, they are monsters....

"He will be the first to admit", so he didn't convince you?

He didn't need to convice me. I've seen plenty of the ugliness that
both
sides have created.

Yet you have no complaints to your government that has created much of
it. Is this what Americans mean by "My Country Right or Wrong".

It wasn't about convincing anyone of anything. It was
more about comparing our respective experiences with each other.



usually one tries to get something from "comparing our respective
experiences"



......and so are the goon
squads that were trained by the Cubans in the 70's and 80's.


As if they were the only ones.

I was in El Salvador and Nicaragua in the 70's. I saw plenty of goons
on
both sides.......but they are on *both* sides, not just pro American
goons.
Neither is a good thing, but your perspective on this seems to be
that
Castro is some kind of *good guy*, just as I've heard you say that
you think
that Arafat wasn't a terrorist.


George Washington was a Terrorist, so what.




When we moved
to Colorado, Dr. Braun bought our house from us...

Did he get a good deal on it, he in a Pastor after all.

I won't even dignify this slimeball inquiry.

Guess he didn;t get a good deal, some friend you are.

I do however, believe that the
property may currently be being used as a shelter for legal political
refugees and as a clearinghouse for immigrants who are being
threatened to
try to acquire them some sort of legal residence status here. I'll
probably
be talking to him in a few weeks when I'm down there. He's a very
decent
human being who is trying to help people.



Well fight Fire with Fire they say..

So i don't understand your position on this. You Know about it
all
and just don't care, or You see "economic dominance and
exploitation"
as somehow being a good thing.

What do you really know about Columbia.


You are not answering the question. YYou see things and either don;t
care or think that they are alright. Are you just letting everything
pass by you without a comment.



You say you have travelled there and
elsewhere in South America.
Travelling is nothing compared to planting one's
self somewhere and living there, sharing the life of the people who
live
there. Most Columbians that I know certainly aren't into wanting war
or
wanting their kids to associate with FARC or the druglords that pay
FARC
from protection.

Now before you start ranting about how you have read that the
president of
Columbia is in league with the dealers, go down there and live for an
extended period of time and see what the F*** is really happening and
how
things have to work in order to accommodate the shifting political
situation, not what you see from the windows of a plane, or hotel
room.

My travels didn;t include any hotels, or many planes. Whatever the
"shifting political situation is", it doesn;t justify letting right
wing militias and drug gangs run amok, while blaming all the problems
of the country on FARC.



On the question i brought up in the first place. You approve of
Alpha
66 and Omega 7 operating in America without obstructions? Doesn't
that
make all America's anti-terrorist complaints invalid.

I never said I approved of anything. Go back and check. You won't
find it.

DJ


So what are you doing to stop your country from being a terrorist
supporter?

How's this , If you have some legitimate complaints to take up with the
president of my country Lula da Silva, I'll pass on your complaints,
and you send a letter complaining about Terrorists like Aplha 66 being
supported by America. We will post the letters and results of these
letters here. A letter to your congresman will do. I'll writre any
representative of the Brasilian or Canadian Governmet with any worthy
issue you can bring up.

Seems like a fair deal to me.

playon wrote:
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:31:32 -0700, "Animix"
wrote:

I'm, sure you live in Columbia so you understand what's happening
there much
better than someone who grew up there because you can read, right?

Just because the guy grew up there doesn't mean he doesn't have an
agenda.

Al



Just because a guy says he grew up there doesn;t mean he isn't Will
Miho.

remember "JL" is the guy who said "enviormentalists are the new
marxists" so guess where he's coming friom.

Did my government create it or is it a result of a lot of people wanting to
fight Castro on Castro's own terms.
When Castro stops supporting insurrections nin the Western hemisphere,
perhaps the desire of some folks whose countries he is trying to destroy
will feel less of a need to organize themselves to fight what he's doing in
the only way they can, since we won't stop it *officially*

Tell you buddy Fidel to chill and there won't be any more Alpha's.

"nmm" wrote in message
oups.com...

Animix wrote:
"nmm" wrote in message
ups.com...

Animix wrote:
Sorry dude, I used to live in Cali.........also in El Salvador,
Nicaragua,
Honduras,Guatemala and Mexico and have visited Cuba myself. Prior
to
moving
to Colorado, I lived in Austin. My next door neighbor was Jorge
Lara
Braun.
Dr. Braun has been one of the most outspoken activists about the
College of
the Americas. I spent many hours with him discussing the
situation in
central America with the goon squads that are trained here. He
will
be the
first to admit that yes, they are monsters....

"He will be the first to admit", so he didn't convince you?

He didn't need to convice me. I've seen plenty of the ugliness that
both
sides have created.

Yet you have no complaints to your government that has created much of
it. Is this what Americans mean by "My Country Right or Wrong".

It wasn't about convincing anyone of anything. It was
more about comparing our respective experiences with each other.



usually one tries to get something from "comparing our respective
experiences"



......and so are the goon
squads that were trained by the Cubans in the 70's and 80's.


As if they were the only ones.

I was in El Salvador and Nicaragua in the 70's. I saw plenty of goons
on
both sides.......but they are on *both* sides, not just pro American
goons.
Neither is a good thing, but your perspective on this seems to be
that
Castro is some kind of *good guy*, just as I've heard you say that
you think
that Arafat wasn't a terrorist.


George Washington was a Terrorist, so what.

Well, anyone who engages in miliary affairs is a terrorist strictly
speaking, wouldn't you say?

When we moved
to Colorado, Dr. Braun bought our house from us...

Did he get a good deal on it, he in a Pastor after all.

I won't even dignify this slimeball inquiry.

Guess he didn;t get a good deal, some friend you are.

When I told him I would be putting the house on the market, he offered to
pay fair market value and that's what he received. I would have done the
same if the situation was reversed. You're preoocupation with this issue is
pretty strange.

I do however, believe that the
property may currently be being used as a shelter for legal political
refugees and as a clearinghouse for immigrants who are being
threatened to
try to acquire them some sort of legal residence status here. I'll
probably
be talking to him in a few weeks when I'm down there. He's a very
decent
human being who is trying to help people.



Well fight Fire with Fire they say..

So i don't understand your position on this. You Know about it
all
and just don't care, or You see "economic dominance and
exploitation"
as somehow being a good thing.

What do you really know about Columbia.


You are not answering the question. YYou see things and either don;t
care or think that they are alright. Are you just letting everything
pass by you without a comment.

Wrong again. I see two, or more sides. I don't automatically assume that the
side that the American government takes is any more or less ugly than the
side that opposes it. I have seen what happens when there is no opposition
to people like Castro, Arafat, Bin Ladin, etc. because it isn't politically
correct

Obviously you haven't noticed at all.



You say you have travelled there and
elsewhere in South America.
Travelling is nothing compared to planting one's
self somewhere and living there, sharing the life of the people who
live
there. Most Columbians that I know certainly aren't into wanting war
or
wanting their kids to associate with FARC or the druglords that pay
FARC
from protection.

Now before you start ranting about how you have read that the
president of
Columbia is in league with the dealers, go down there and live for an
extended period of time and see what the F*** is really happening and
how
things have to work in order to accommodate the shifting political
situation, not what you see from the windows of a plane, or hotel
room.

My travels didn;t include any hotels, or many planes. Whatever the
"shifting political situation is", it doesn;t justify letting right
wing militias and drug gangs run amok, while blaming all the problems
of the country on FARC.

.......but it obviously justifies left wing Castro supported militias and
left wing drug gangs.



On the question i brought up in the first place. You approve of
Alpha
66 and Omega 7 operating in America without obstructions? Doesn't
that
make all America's anti-terrorist complaints invalid.

I never said I approved of anything. Go back and check. You won't
find it.

DJ


So what are you doing to stop your country from being a terrorist
supporter?

Geee......well, perhaps I'm supporting a government that would eliminate
those who are creating such chaos that certain citizens of this country feel
the need to organize themselves to fight this terrorism because our
government can't or wan't do it.

What are you doing to discourage the efforts of totalitarian thugs like
Castro to destabilize the lives of miliions of people who would love to live
in peace?


How's this , If you have some legitimate complaints to take up with the
president of my country Lula da Silva, I'll pass on your complaints,
and you send a letter complaining about Terrorists like Aplha 66 being
supported by America. We will post the letters and results of these
letters here. A letter to your congresman will do. I'll writre any
representative of the Brasilian or Canadian Governmet with any worthy
issue you can bring up.

Seems like a fair deal to me.

How about an open letter by both of us to Castro and Alpha 66 requesting
that this stop on both sides?.....like it would do any good.

DJ

"The Conflict" will end when American assination plots against
Castro, Chavez, and all and Terrorist groups funded by America are
stopped.


Complainers and blamers eh?? You resemble that remark. It's all easy to
blame the big bad Americans for everything.....copout.

And no, that does not mean I support everything the USA does by any
means.

wrote:
"The Conflict" will end when American assination plots against
Castro, Chavez, and all and Terrorist groups funded by America are
stopped.


Complainers and blamers eh?? You resemble that remark. It's all easy
to
blame the big bad Americans for everything.....copout.


Yeah it is when they openly have terrorist groups operating in their
country.
And when America puts the people sent to monitor these groups from
their target countries in prison. This is the same America that claims
to be "Fighting the War on Terror".

The accusations by alleged Columbians against Cuba, are from the 1960s
and 70s.. Not Today. Columbia isn't at the level that Cuba, Brasil or
Venezuala is at, because their Government is still supporting Death
Squads, and Drug Funded right wing paramilitary groups.


To End "Terrorisim" it must be stopped on both sides. YOu can't say
that "what we do is OK, because they do it". My personal feeling is
that the concept of civilisation is that we work towards a higher
level and not towards bring ourselves down to the lowest.

And no, that does not mean I support everything the USA does by any
means.
I'd like to meet someone who does. ( well actually I wouldn't )

"Animix" wrote in message
...
Did my government create it or is it a result of a lot of people wanting
to
fight Castro on Castro's own terms.
When Castro stops supporting insurrections nin the Western hemisphere,
perhaps the desire of some folks whose countries he is trying to destroy
will feel less of a need to organize themselves to fight what he's doing
in
the only way they can, since we won't stop it *officially*

Tell you buddy Fidel to chill and there won't be any more Alpha's.


Since the USSR surrendered in the 80's, there hasn't been much in the way of
funding for Castro, or any marxists. He's still there, that's all.

jb

Animix wrote:
Did my government create it or is it a result of a lot of people
wanting to
fight Castro on Castro's own terms.
When Castro stops supporting insurrections nin the Western
hemisphere,
perhaps the desire of some folks whose countries he is trying to
destroy
will feel less of a need to organize themselves to fight what he's
doing in
the only way they can, since we won't stop it *officially*

Tell you buddy Fidel to chill and there won't be any more Alpha's.


sounds like you support terrorists.



How about an open letter by both of us to Castro and Alpha 66
requesting
that this stop on both sides?.....like it would do any good.

DJ




Because that would be useless. If you and i were to write our
respective members of government we might at least see some attention
to the matter.


My offer is open

..........so speaking of useless.........how do you think that writing a
letter to your representative is going to inflkuence Fidel Castro? Is he
going to give Fidel a ring and ask him to call off his motherFARC'ing little
army?. Again, you solution is one sided and totally lame.

I'm outta here for a while. Got things to do and friends and family coming
to visit. Merry Christmas.......or whatever your Cuban buddies call it these
days.

DJ


"nmm" wrote in message
oups.com...

Animix wrote:
Did my government create it or is it a result of a lot of people
wanting to
fight Castro on Castro's own terms.
When Castro stops supporting insurrections nin the Western
hemisphere,
perhaps the desire of some folks whose countries he is trying to
destroy
will feel less of a need to organize themselves to fight what he's
doing in
the only way they can, since we won't stop it *officially*

Tell you buddy Fidel to chill and there won't be any more Alpha's.


sounds like you support terrorists.



How about an open letter by both of us to Castro and Alpha 66
requesting
that this stop on both sides?.....like it would do any good.

DJ




Because that would be useless. If you and i were to write our
respective members of government we might at least see some attention
to the matter.


My offer is open

Animix wrote:
.........so speaking of useless.........how do you think that writing
a
letter to your representative is going to inflkuence Fidel Castro?

You write your representatives in America to say "I don';t support
Terrorists, why are Alpha 66 operating on our soil" .. and You were
supposed to think of some complaint that I could convey to the
Government of either Brasil, or Canada on your behalf, Stay focused
please.

Is he
going to give Fidel a ring and ask him to call off his motherFARC'ing
little
army?.

Cuba has had no money to finance FARC, since the late 80s if they ever
did, your excuses are one sided and lame.

Again, you solution is one sided and totally lame.


yeah now that we got some name calling frustration out of the way..
let's try and make something positive of the experiance here. In less
time than these exchanges have taken, we could have written our
respective letters, and gotten to the next stage. Quit stalling.



I'm outta here for a while. Got things to do and friends and family
coming
to visit. Merry Christmas.......or whatever your Cuban buddies call
it these
days.

DJ


Feliz Navidad, i thought you "Lived amongst the People " when you
graced Latin America with your prescence. Guess you didn't pick up a
lotof the lingo.


Merry Christmas to you too.. Everyone deserves a good holiday , and
quality time with the family.
Hope the Ampeg gets better too
chhers
nmm

Stay focused please.

Excuse me but I hardly feel inclined to dream up something for you to write
to the government of Canada or Brazil. If you really want to do this, be my
guest. This is lame symbolism and a total waste of both of our time.

What's one person's terrorist is another person's
counterterrorist.........someone who supports the premise, as you do, that
Israeli's are terrorists and Arafat was not, should surely understand this.

As far as Cuba not having the money to finance terrorism in Columbia,
........they've got the expertise, FARC has the drug money. They don't need
Cuba's money.

It's been a while since I've heard a totalitarian who espouses an athiestic
existence say Feliz Navidad
but I know a lot of Cubans celebrate Christmas. State policy can't stop
this.

Thanks for the good wishes about the Ampeg. I appreciate it. It's going to
be an expensive fix, but I'm going to go ahead and bite the bullet and do
what it takes to restore it.

A 1962 B-15 has a better chance changing the world for the better than our
collective bickerings will ever achieve.

Have a Merry Christmas.

:O)

DJ


"nmm" wrote in message
oups.com...

Animix wrote:
.........so speaking of useless.........how do you think that writing
a
letter to your representative is going to inflkuence Fidel Castro?

You write your representatives in America to say "I don';t support
Terrorists, why are Alpha 66 operating on our soil" .. and You were
supposed to think of some complaint that I could convey to the
Government of either Brasil, or Canada on your behalf, Stay focused
please.

Is he
going to give Fidel a ring and ask him to call off his motherFARC'ing
little
army?.

Cuba has had no money to finance FARC, since the late 80s if they ever
did, your excuses are one sided and lame.

Again, you solution is one sided and totally lame.


yeah now that we got some name calling frustration out of the way..
let's try and make something positive of the experiance here. In less
time than these exchanges have taken, we could have written our
respective letters, and gotten to the next stage. Quit stalling.



I'm outta here for a while. Got things to do and friends and family
coming
to visit. Merry Christmas.......or whatever your Cuban buddies call
it these
days.

DJ


Feliz Navidad, i thought you "Lived amongst the People " when you
graced Latin America with your prescence. Guess you didn't pick up a
lotof the lingo.


Merry Christmas to you too.. Everyone deserves a good holiday , and
quality time with the family.
Hope the Ampeg gets better too
chhers
nmm