I was using Native Instruments' Guitar Rig at a local studio today when
I came across a preset in the compressor module named "Mein Comp". I
don't know if this is supposed to be a play on Hitler's "Mein Kampf",
but if it is, it sure as hell isn't funny.

I emailed my concerns to NI on Tuesday night, asking for an
explanation, further stating that I would post my findings with the pro
audio community at large if they didn't get back to me by Friday at
2:00 pm. It's now past 2:00 pm and I've heard nothing from them, so I'm
fulfilling my end of the ultimatum.

As you may have guessed Third-Reich-Revisionist humour does not amuse
me, unless the Third Reich is at the butt of the jokes.

While I Native Instruments arguably cannot help that one of their
programmers has neo-Nazi proclivities, they had damned well make sure
that potentially offensive **** like that gets squelched during alpha
testing. The fact that "Mein Comp" made it into the release is a bit
shocking, I mean, how many people read those preset names during the
development phase? During Alpha testing? Beta Testing? Release
Candidates?

Anyway, all I want is for NI to acknowledge the error and correct it in
the next release.

I'm usually pretty quiet on these forums but this sorta irked me. Sorry
if it starts a flame war.

This message will be cross-posted to the following forums:
Gearslutz
EQ
Pro Sound Web
rec.audio.pro
3D Audio

Time to get ready for Shabbat.


Piyono

I think you need to attenuate your sensitivity. (I say this as a
back-sliding jew.)

Al

On 10 Dec 2004 11:31:42 -0800, "Ken Zenachon"
wrote:

I was using Native Instruments' Guitar Rig at a local studio today when
I came across a preset in the compressor module named "Mein Comp". I
don't know if this is supposed to be a play on Hitler's "Mein Kampf",
but if it is, it sure as hell isn't funny.

I emailed my concerns to NI on Tuesday night, asking for an
explanation, further stating that I would post my findings with the pro
audio community at large if they didn't get back to me by Friday at
2:00 pm. It's now past 2:00 pm and I've heard nothing from them, so I'm
fulfilling my end of the ultimatum.

As you may have guessed Third-Reich-Revisionist humour does not amuse
me, unless the Third Reich is at the butt of the jokes.

While I Native Instruments arguably cannot help that one of their
programmers has neo-Nazi proclivities, they had damned well make sure
that potentially offensive **** like that gets squelched during alpha
testing. The fact that "Mein Comp" made it into the release is a bit
shocking, I mean, how many people read those preset names during the
development phase? During Alpha testing? Beta Testing? Release
Candidates?

Anyway, all I want is for NI to acknowledge the error and correct it in
the next release.

I'm usually pretty quiet on these forums but this sorta irked me. Sorry
if it starts a flame war.

This message will be cross-posted to the following forums:
Gearslutz
EQ
Pro Sound Web
rec.audio.pro
3D Audio

Time to get ready for Shabbat.


Piyono

Thanks for sharing your exciting life with us.


Ken Zenachon wrote:
I was using Native Instruments' Guitar Rig at a local studio today
when
I came across a preset in the compressor module named "Mein Comp". I
don't know if this is supposed to be a play on Hitler's "Mein Kampf",
but if it is, it sure as hell isn't funny.

I emailed my concerns to NI on Tuesday night, asking for an
explanation, further stating that I would post my findings with the
pro
audio community at large if they didn't get back to me by Friday at
2:00 pm. It's now past 2:00 pm and I've heard nothing from them, so
I'm
fulfilling my end of the ultimatum.

As you may have guessed Third-Reich-Revisionist humour does not amuse
me, unless the Third Reich is at the butt of the jokes.

While I Native Instruments arguably cannot help that one of their
programmers has neo-Nazi proclivities, they had damned well make sure
that potentially offensive **** like that gets squelched during alpha
testing. The fact that "Mein Comp" made it into the release is a bit
shocking, I mean, how many people read those preset names during the
development phase? During Alpha testing? Beta Testing? Release
Candidates?

Anyway, all I want is for NI to acknowledge the error and correct it
in
the next release.

I'm usually pretty quiet on these forums but this sorta irked me.
Sorry
if it starts a flame war.

This message will be cross-posted to the following forums:
Gearslutz
EQ
Pro Sound Web
rec.audio.pro
3D Audio

Time to get ready for Shabbat.


Piyono

"Ken Zenachon"

I was using Native Instruments' Guitar Rig at a local studio today when
I came across a preset in the compressor module named "Mein Comp". I
don't know if this is supposed to be a play on Hitler's "Mein Kampf",
but if it is, it sure as hell isn't funny.

I emailed my concerns to NI on Tuesday night, asking for an
explanation, further stating that I would post my findings with the pro
audio community at large if they didn't get back to me by Friday at
2:00 pm. It's now past 2:00 pm and I've heard nothing from them, so I'm
fulfilling my end of the ultimatum.

As you may have guessed Third-Reich-Revisionist humour does not amuse
me, unless the Third Reich is at the butt of the joke.

I fail to see the "Third-Reich-Revisionism" you are claiming here Ken.
After all NI software is made in America, imagine German kids playing their
guitars through software made in the good old USA, it's not like it's Steinberg
gear, is it? g Do you work for Steinberg BTW?

And have you been eating your peas and carrots and getting proper sleep?

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Audioist / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

Omigod, and they call their company "Native". So they must be a bunch
of neo-colonialist white supremacists too.

Raglan

Since Hitler was such an awesome axeman???
Don't you think it might be a ref to a 'German style' compressor either
hardware or reflecting something like guitar sound in the genre of german
electronica or something.
Mein Kampf = My Struggle (of course we all know who really struggled)
Mein Comp = My Compressor
I bet you think German's should stop using their word for my.
Maybe they can just use English? Just to be safe.
Get a grip dude.
ken

"Raglan" wrote in message
ups.com...
Omigod, and they call their company "Native". So they must be a bunch
of neo-colonialist white supremacists too.

Raglan

In article .com writes:

I came across a preset in the compressor module named "Mein Comp". I
don't know if this is supposed to be a play on Hitler's "Mein Kampf",
but if it is, it sure as hell isn't funny.

I'm usually pretty quiet on these forums but this sorta irked me. Sorry
if it starts a flame war.

It probably will. I suppose you won't use Neumann microphones either
because Hitler is pictured speaking into one.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:40:27 -0500, "Ken Platt"
wrote:

Mein Kampf = My Struggle (of course we all know who really struggled)
Mein Comp = My Compressor snip

If it were that, it'd have been "mein komp," since "compressor" in
German is "kompressor."

I do think someone was trying to be a little too cutesy with the
moniker, and yes, I do find making light of Hitler's atrocities to be
worrisome. More worrisome, however, would be the idiots currently
running the US! Focus on the immediate problem.

dB

hahahahaha. wow. thanks for the laugh on a friday. man, i love that
he posted this on gearslutz too, the center piece for american
political correctness.

Mike Rivers wrote:

I suppose you won't use Neumann microphones either
because Hitler is pictured speaking into one.

We could be in trouble, because I think he also used air when talking.

This thread shows the breakdown of Usenet. It was supposed to be over
with the very first post.

--
ha

"DeserTBoB" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:40:27 -0500, "Ken Platt"
wrote:

Mein Kampf = My Struggle (of course we all know who really struggled)
Mein Comp = My Compressor snip

If it were that, it'd have been "mein komp," since "compressor" in
German is "kompressor."

I do think someone was trying to be a little too cutesy with the
moniker, and yes, I do find making light of Hitler's atrocities to be
worrisome. More worrisome, however, would be the idiots currently
running the US! Focus on the immediate problem.

a valid point but even in Germany i've known Comp to be used as a shortened
verion of compressor.

Rob - Not a clue

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1102714342k@trad...

In article .com
writes:

I came across a preset in the compressor module named "Mein Comp". I
don't know if this is supposed to be a play on Hitler's "Mein Kampf",
but if it is, it sure as hell isn't funny.

I'm usually pretty quiet on these forums but this sorta irked me. Sorry
if it starts a flame war.

It probably will. I suppose you won't use Neumann microphones either
because Hitler is pictured speaking into one.

hmmm.. phantom power's out then.... damn......

Rob

Ken Zenachon wrote:
I was using Native Instruments' Guitar Rig at a local studio today
when
I came across a preset in the compressor module named "Mein Comp". I
don't know if this is supposed to be a play on Hitler's "Mein Kampf",
but if it is, it sure as hell isn't funny.

I emailed my concerns to NI on Tuesday night, asking for an
explanation, further stating that I would post my findings with the
pro
audio community at large if they didn't get back to me by Friday at
2:00 pm. It's now past 2:00 pm and I've heard nothing from them, so
I'm
fulfilling my end of the ultimatum.

As you may have guessed Third-Reich-Revisionist humour does not amuse
me, unless the Third Reich is at the butt of the jokes.

While I Native Instruments arguably cannot help that one of their
programmers has neo-Nazi proclivities, they had damned well make sure
that potentially offensive **** like that gets squelched during alpha
testing. The fact that "Mein Comp" made it into the release is a bit
shocking, I mean, how many people read those preset names during the
development phase? During Alpha testing? Beta Testing? Release
Candidates?

Anyway, all I want is for NI to acknowledge the error and correct it
in
the next release.

okay, i'll bite...(this has to be a troll right?)

what makes you think it was an error? just because you don't think it's
funny doesn't mean it's wrong.

it's that kind of thinking ('i know better than you do what's right and
wrong, therefore i sahll impose my will upon you') that led to Nazi
bookburning (and human burning, etc.) in the first place. don't try to
impose your bad sense of humor on others creativity. if you want to
protest just don't buy it.

....and anyway they didn't call it "cool rockin' neo-nazi oi! guitar" or
something. it's obviously a 'clever' play on words that sounds like
something else that we're familiar with.

lighten the **** up.

You know, a case could be made for saying this "Mein Comp" preset is
offensive to Germans, 99% of whom don't want to be reminded of the
Hitler era. But it's just wordplay, a silly allusion, and I find it
kind of amusing. Bad taste is fine by me. I can't believe anyone would
take it seriously -- even a German.

As a matter of interest, would anybody raise a hue and cry if some
manufacturer labelled a knob "Pol Pot"?

Raglan

Ken Zenachon wrote:

I was using Native Instruments' Guitar Rig at a local studio today when
I came across a preset in the compressor module named "Mein Comp". I
don't know if this is supposed to be a play on Hitler's "Mein Kampf",
but if it is, it sure as hell isn't funny.

I emailed my concerns to NI on Tuesday night, asking for an
explanation, further stating that I would post my findings with the pro
audio community at large if they didn't get back to me by Friday at
2:00 pm. It's now past 2:00 pm and I've heard nothing from them, so I'm
fulfilling my end of the ultimatum.

As you may have guessed Third-Reich-Revisionist humour does not amuse
me, unless the Third Reich is at the butt of the jokes.

While I Native Instruments arguably cannot help that one of their
programmers has neo-Nazi proclivities, they had damned well make sure
that potentially offensive **** like that gets squelched during alpha
testing. The fact that "Mein Comp" made it into the release is a bit
shocking, I mean, how many people read those preset names during the
development phase? During Alpha testing? Beta Testing? Release
Candidates?

Anyway, all I want is for NI to acknowledge the error and correct it in
the next release.

I'm usually pretty quiet on these forums but this sorta irked me. Sorry
if it starts a flame war.

This message will be cross-posted to the following forums:
Gearslutz
EQ
Pro Sound Web
rec.audio.pro
3D Audio

Time to get ready for Shabbat.


Piyono


You're a ****ing idiot. You say yourself that you don't know if it means
what you think it might mean, but you proceed to get up on your soapbox
and proclaim your horror at that preset patch name, which you are free
to rename. Dinks like you sat by and watched the real holocaust happen
while complaining about offensive matress tags.
Queso

I was using Native Instruments' Guitar Rig at a local studio today when
I came across a preset in the compressor module named "Mein Comp".

You have every right to feel offended. I reserve the right to think your
reaction is completely overblown.


Joe Egan
EMP
Colchester, VT
www.eganmedia.com

"Raglan" wrote in
oups.com:

You know, a case could be made for saying this "Mein Comp" preset is
offensive to Germans, 99% of whom don't want to be reminded of the
Hitler era. But it's just wordplay, a silly allusion, and I find it
kind of amusing. Bad taste is fine by me. I can't believe anyone would
take it seriously -- even a German.

As a matter of interest, would anybody raise a hue and cry if some
manufacturer labelled a knob "Pol Pot"?

Raglan



they mentioned it once, but I think they got away with it...

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:36:04 GMT, (hank alrich)
wrote:

This thread shows the breakdown of Usenet. It was supposed to be over
with the very first post.

HA! Methinks this just went right over everyone's head.

(However, you, and now I, both responded... so I guess we ain't such
smarty-pants either...)


====================
Tracy Wintermute

Rushcreek Ranch
====================

Ken Zenachon wrote:

I was using Native Instruments' Guitar Rig at a local studio today when
I came across a preset in the compressor module named "Mein Comp". I
don't know if this is supposed to be a play on Hitler's "Mein Kampf",
but if it is, it sure as hell isn't funny.

I emailed my concerns to NI on Tuesday night, asking for an
explanation, further stating that I would post my findings with the pro
audio community at large if they didn't get back to me by Friday at
2:00 pm. It's now past 2:00 pm and I've heard nothing from them, so I'm
fulfilling my end of the ultimatum.

As you may have guessed Third-Reich-Revisionist humour does not amuse
me, unless the Third Reich is at the butt of the jokes.

While I Native Instruments arguably cannot help that one of their
programmers has neo-Nazi proclivities, they had damned well make sure
that potentially offensive **** like that gets squelched during alpha
testing.

"Now will you tell me where we are?" asked Tock as he looked
around the desolate island.

"To be sure," said Canby; "you're on the Island of Conclusions.
Make yourself at home. You're apt to be here for some time."

"But how did we get here?" asked Milo, who was still a bit
puzzled by being there at all.

"You jumped, of course," explained Canby. "That's the way
most everyone gets here. It's really quite simple: every time
you decide something without having a good reason, you jump to
Conclusions where you like it or not. It's such an easy trip
to make that I've been here hundreds of times."

"But this is such an unpleasant-looking place," Milo remarked.

"Yes, that's true," admitted Canby; "it does look much better
from a distance."[1]

----

The point of that little quote is this: they have made a joke
that you consider in poor taste. Fair enough; it probably wasn't
a great joke to be making. But you have no basis for believing
that they are Third Reich Revisionists or that any of them has
neo-Nazi proclivities. They may just have poor judgement about
what is in good taste. They *probably* just have poor judgment.
Accusing them of aligning themselves with the Nazis just because
they make what they probably consider to be a neutral joke is
going too far.

- Logan

[1] From "The Phantom Tollbooth" by Norton Juster.

Well you might like this for a song title"

"Ain't Many Kids Named Adolf Anymore!"

Tom

"Logan Shaw" wrote in message
...
Ken Zenachon wrote:

I was using Native Instruments' Guitar Rig at a local studio today when
I came across a preset in the compressor module named "Mein Comp". I
don't know if this is supposed to be a play on Hitler's "Mein Kampf",
but if it is, it sure as hell isn't funny.

I emailed my concerns to NI on Tuesday night, asking for an
explanation, further stating that I would post my findings with the pro
audio community at large if they didn't get back to me by Friday at
2:00 pm. It's now past 2:00 pm and I've heard nothing from them, so I'm
fulfilling my end of the ultimatum.

As you may have guessed Third-Reich-Revisionist humour does not amuse
me, unless the Third Reich is at the butt of the jokes.

While I Native Instruments arguably cannot help that one of their
programmers has neo-Nazi proclivities, they had damned well make sure
that potentially offensive **** like that gets squelched during alpha
testing.

"Now will you tell me where we are?" asked Tock as he looked
around the desolate island.

"To be sure," said Canby; "you're on the Island of Conclusions.
Make yourself at home. You're apt to be here for some time."

"But how did we get here?" asked Milo, who was still a bit
puzzled by being there at all.

"You jumped, of course," explained Canby. "That's the way
most everyone gets here. It's really quite simple: every time
you decide something without having a good reason, you jump to
Conclusions where you like it or not. It's such an easy trip
to make that I've been here hundreds of times."

"But this is such an unpleasant-looking place," Milo remarked.

"Yes, that's true," admitted Canby; "it does look much better
from a distance."[1]

----

The point of that little quote is this: they have made a joke
that you consider in poor taste. Fair enough; it probably wasn't
a great joke to be making. But you have no basis for believing
that they are Third Reich Revisionists or that any of them has
neo-Nazi proclivities. They may just have poor judgement about
what is in good taste. They *probably* just have poor judgment.
Accusing them of aligning themselves with the Nazis just because
they make what they probably consider to be a neutral joke is
going too far.

- Logan

[1] From "The Phantom Tollbooth" by Norton Juster.

On 11 Dec 2004 02:08:57 -0800, "Raglan"
wrote:

You know, a case could be made for saying this "Mein Comp" preset is
offensive to Germans, 99% of whom don't want to be reminded of the
Hitler era. But it's just wordplay, a silly allusion, and I find it
kind of amusing. Bad taste is fine by me. I can't believe anyone would
take it seriously -- even a German.

As a matter of interest, would anybody raise a hue and cry if some
manufacturer labelled a knob "Pol Pot"?

I'm sure Cambodians would. They didn't call the knob "Hitler".

Al

"Logan Shaw" wrote in message
...

"Now will you tell me where we are?" asked Tock as he looked
around the desolate island.

"To be sure," said Canby; "you're on the Island of Conclusions.
Make yourself at home. You're apt to be here for some time."

"But how did we get here?" asked Milo, who was still a bit
puzzled by being there at all.

"You jumped, of course," explained Canby. "That's the way
most everyone gets here. It's really quite simple: every time
you decide something without having a good reason, you jump to
Conclusions where you like it or not. It's such an easy trip
to make that I've been here hundreds of times."

"But this is such an unpleasant-looking place," Milo remarked.

"Yes, that's true," admitted Canby; "it does look much better
from a distance."[1]

----

[1] From "The Phantom Tollbooth" by Norton Juster.

I read that book when I was younger, and absolutely loved it. As soon as I
started reading your quote of it here, I recognized it immediately. Thanks
for bringing back the memory.

Kendall

You know - I PERSONALLY find all this talk EXTREMELY tasteless! - My
GRANDFATHER died in a concentration camp, you know....!! This is just
really, really upsetting... I have to go now.

BTW - in case you're interested - he drank too much and ended up
falling off the guard tower. (ha ha)

Well you might like this for a song title"

"Ain't Many Kids Named Adolf Anymore!"

My brother used to own a mediterranean potttery importing business in
Milwaukee. One of his customers was named Susan Hitler.




Joe Egan
EMP
Colchester, VT
www.eganmedia.com

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:40:27 -0500, Ken Platt wrote
(in article ):

Since Hitler was such an awesome axeman???
Don't you think it might be a ref to a 'German style' compressor either
hardware or reflecting something like guitar sound in the genre of german
electronica or something.
Mein Kampf = My Struggle (of course we all know who really struggled)
Mein Comp = My Compressor
I bet you think German's should stop using their word for my.
Maybe they can just use English? Just to be safe.
Get a grip dude.
ken


I see it as, oversensitivity, lack of discrimination and a bit of ignorance.
Take, for example, the "niggardly" issue in Washington, D. C..

Does "whitewash" demean caucasians? Does butyl caulk demean caucasians?

Ignorance is not always blissful. Sorry for the off topic post.

Regards,

Ty Ford


PASTE:
Details of the Niggardly Controversy

Washington, DC's black Mayor, Anthony Williams, gladly accepted the
resignation of his white staff member, David Howard, because Mr. Howard
uttered the word 'niggardly' in a private staff meeting.

Webster's Tenth Edition defines the word 'niggardly' to "grudgingly
mean about spending or granting". The Barnhard Dictionary of Etymology
traces the origins of 'niggardly' to the 1300's, and to the words 'nig' and
'ignon', meaning "miser" in Middle English. No where in any of these
references is any mention of racial connotations associated with the word
'niggardly'.

In other words, it's a perfectly good and useful word. But there
is the unfortunate coincidence that it starts with the same four letters as
the word "******". The news media are so loathe to use the "N" word, that
they've been substituting the phrase "racial slur", as in "...they mistook
the word 'niggardly' for a racial slur..."


-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

"Ty Ford" wrote in message news:Zbednc06BfkM9SHcRVn-


Ignorance is not always blissful. Sorry for the off topic post.

Finally sucking..... um, succumbing there Ty ?

;-)

geoff

On 10 Dec 2004 11:31:42 -0800, "Ken Zenachon"
wrote:

I was using Native Instruments' Guitar Rig at a local studio today when
I came across a preset in the compressor module named "Mein Comp". I
don't know if this is supposed to be a play on Hitler's "Mein Kampf",
but if it is, it sure as hell isn't funny.

I emailed my concerns to NI on Tuesday night, asking for an
explanation, further stating that I would post my findings with the pro
audio community at large if they didn't get back to me by Friday at
2:00 pm. It's now past 2:00 pm and I've heard nothing from them, so I'm
fulfilling my end of the ultimatum.

As you may have guessed Third-Reich-Revisionist humour does not amuse
me, unless the Third Reich is at the butt of the jokes.

While I Native Instruments arguably cannot help that one of their
programmers has neo-Nazi proclivities, they had damned well make sure
that potentially offensive **** like that gets squelched during alpha
testing. The fact that "Mein Comp" made it into the release is a bit
shocking, I mean, how many people read those preset names during the
development phase? During Alpha testing? Beta Testing? Release
Candidates?

Anyway, all I want is for NI to acknowledge the error and correct it in
the next release.

I'm usually pretty quiet on these forums but this sorta irked me. Sorry
if it starts a flame war.

This message will be cross-posted to the following forums:
Gearslutz
EQ
Pro Sound Web
rec.audio.pro
3D Audio

Time to get ready for Shabbat.


Piyono


Geez, then I guess they better not model the Heil Talkbox . . .





Kurt Riemann

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:25:20 -0900, Kurt Riemann wrote:

On 10 Dec 2004 11:31:42 -0800, "Ken Zenachon"
wrote:

I was using Native Instruments' Guitar Rig at a local studio today when
I came across a preset in the compressor module named "Mein Comp". I
don't know if this is supposed to be a play on Hitler's "Mein Kampf",
but if it is, it sure as hell isn't funny.

I emailed my concerns to NI on Tuesday night, asking for an
explanation, further stating that I would post my findings with the pro
audio community at large if they didn't get back to me by Friday at
2:00 pm. It's now past 2:00 pm and I've heard nothing from them, so I'm
fulfilling my end of the ultimatum.

As you may have guessed Third-Reich-Revisionist humour does not amuse
me, unless the Third Reich is at the butt of the jokes.

While I Native Instruments arguably cannot help that one of their
programmers has neo-Nazi proclivities, they had damned well make sure
that potentially offensive **** like that gets squelched during alpha
testing. The fact that "Mein Comp" made it into the release is a bit
shocking, I mean, how many people read those preset names during the
development phase? During Alpha testing? Beta Testing? Release
Candidates?

Anyway, all I want is for NI to acknowledge the error and correct it in
the next release.

I'm usually pretty quiet on these forums but this sorta irked me. Sorry
if it starts a flame war.

This message will be cross-posted to the following forums:
Gearslutz
EQ
Pro Sound Web
rec.audio.pro
3D Audio

Time to get ready for Shabbat.


Piyono


Geez, then I guess they better not model the Heil Talkbox . . .

And don't put the Heil Talk Box anywhere in your signature line or
you'd have a sig Heil situation.

Al

A sense of humor is needed in order to not be offended - this is true
in many situations. Try it!

Forgive me good readers, for not following up on any of these forums
until now. I didn't consider, when cross-posting that I may actually
have to defend myself in the ensuing discussions. This is my blanket
reply to everyone. It will be my final cross-post. If anyone would
like to rebuke me further I'll be at Gearslutz, 'cos that's where the
bulk of the replies have originated. Thank you. Now for my reply...

I occasionally wonder about the individuals responsible for
inflamatory posts and the threads spawned thereof. The eggers-on. That
somebody would invest so much time and energy into rousing rabble
astounds me. I mean, how petty and unproductive an occupation can
there *be*?
Then again, I don't really give the matter *too* much though because,
frankly, I'm not a heavy usenet/forum poster. Besides, long debates
make my head spin. Couple that with the fact that I'm a slower writer
than I am a reader and it becomes most impractical for me to pound
away at the nets all day. I don't get involved in OTDs. It's just
never been my thang. I'm going somewhere with this, really.

Getting back to the trolls, just What makes them tick? Well, through
my recent posting experience I have gained valuable insight to the
psyche of the troll and I feel that I'm now in the position to
comment. Broken down into his most basic elements (I use the masculine
only as a linguistic convenience) the troll is thoroughly bored,
possibly lonely, somewhat pathetic, and looking for attention. I say
this with absolute certainty because those were four acurate
descriptors of my state when I posted my own inflamatory remarks on
Friday afternoon. Of course the key element at play here is attention,
and I can now tell you first hand that getting a rise out of dozens
upon dozens of people, for whatever reason, brings with it a *huge*
rush which feels *incredibly* gratifying. I speculate that if three of
the conditions (boredom, loneliness, pathos) do not change, the troll
will feed off any attention directed his way and continue trolling
indefinitely.

If you've ever suggested to a troll that he has too much time on his
hands or commented on his pitiful state of existence you would have
been correct. However, If you have ever wanted to *know* the troll, to
*understand* him... then know me, for I have joined their ranks. (Some
of you might rephrase that to "sunk to their depths". Hey, It's all
good).

It just so happens that last week all the conditions were right for me
to engage in this decidedly trollish behavior:
I practically hadn't left the house in over a week and a half due to
an injury I sustained last Monday (Front wheel popped off my bicycle
and the resulting wipeout saw me tear some ligaments in my right
shoulder [I'm a righty], bruise a few ribs, pinch a nerve in my back
and accrue a general assortment of scrapes and bruises. No, I didn't
hit my head. Yes, I'm a lot better now, thank you very much) and I was
arguably the most bored, lonely and pathetic that I've ever been. Add
to this the fact that I *do* rather get a kick out of crafting
diatribes (they're a real treat, y'know, because how often do I get
worked up enough about something to muster up the gumption to trash it
in writing? Not too often) and I was powerless to resist. I *really*
needed something to do. And I found it.

As most of us well know, there can be drawn a clear distinction
between an idea and its presentation. Sitting here now I can think of
ten ways that I could have approached the issue. At the time, however,
I was fueled by some understandably negative energy which lent a
decidedly, over-the-top, mean-spirited tone to my letter. This is not
to say that the matter doesn't concern me - because it does - only
that the manner in which I handled it was grossly overblown. I mean,
*boy* did I pick a roundabout way of saying "hey, guys, does this seem
as tasteless to you as it does to me? In short I recant the delivery
but my initial concern stands.

Unfortunately for me, even though *I* know that my personality type is
polar opposite of an antagonist, the burden of redeeming my name is
now on my shoulders, alone, because I post on these boards so
infrequently that I've got nobody to back me up.

Live and learn.

Ken Zenachon wrote:

I don't get involved in OTDs. It's just
never been my thang. I'm going somewhere with this, really.

Plainly, bull****. You started this useless thread based on your
selfperceived political correctness. For you now to come back whining
about OT and endless discussion just shows that you are not only
humorless, you are also clueless. Get a life.

Getting back to the trolls, just What makes them tick? Well, through
my recent posting experience I have gained valuable insight to the
psyche of the troll and I feel that I'm now in the position to
comment.

Look in the ****ing mirror and see a troll. You certainly are in a
position to comment. How is your hair this morning? Is it all over the
place or did the perm hold? If it's all over the place, consider getting
reperm'd and then decoupage for your head; that'll keep your hair
spot-on.

--
ha

Having just seen the Broadway road production of The Producers last week,
I just chuckled at this.

Just for the record, Hank, I'm being completely sincere.

If you have any doubts, Google Groups maintains an extensive archive of
Usenet groups. Please feel free to search through my previous postings
for any indication of troll-like behavior. You'd be wasting your time,
but still, feel free.

KZ

"Ken Zenachon" wrote in message
oups.com...
I was using Native Instruments' Guitar Rig at a local studio today when
I came across a preset in the compressor module named "Mein Comp". I
don't know if this is supposed to be a play on Hitler's "Mein Kampf",

And if you don't know, you're speaking out of conjecture.

but if it is, it sure as hell isn't funny.

Sure it is. You just need to adjust your sensitivity. Perhaps you need to
turn your compression ratio down.

I emailed my concerns to NI on Tuesday night, asking for an
explanation, further stating that I would post my findings with the pro
audio community at large if they didn't get back to me by Friday at
2:00 pm. It's now past 2:00 pm and I've heard nothing from them,

Probably because they had a good laugh over it and thought you needed to
lighten up. I agree with that assessment.

While I Native Instruments arguably cannot help that one of their
programmers has neo-Nazi proclivities,

So how do you know that? Simply making a similie to something that has an
evil past in an unrelated fashion automatically makes them part of that
movement? Get real!

Anyway, all I want is for NI to acknowledge the error and correct it in
the next release.

You'll be waiting a while (== forever).

--Neil

In article writes:

Then again, I don't really give the matter *too* much though because,
frankly, I'm not a heavy usenet/forum poster.

That in itself is a very good reason NOT to drop into a forum with a
controvesial subject. If your'e going to get on a soapbox, you'd
better be prepared to deal with hecklers. Otherwise you'll never get
any respect. But since you said you wouldn't stick around, I guess
you'll never learn this lesson. I'm not going to chase you over to
Gearslutz. But maybe someone else can take the hint.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

"Ken Zenachon" wrote in message
oups.com...
I was using Native Instruments' Guitar Rig at a local studio today when
I came across a preset in the compressor module named "Mein Comp". I
don't know if this is supposed to be a play on Hitler's "Mein Kampf",
but if it is, it sure as hell isn't funny.

I emailed my concerns to NI on Tuesday night, asking for an
explanation, further stating that I would post my findings with the pro
audio community at large if they didn't get back to me by Friday at
2:00 pm. It's now past 2:00 pm and I've heard nothing from them, so I'm
fulfilling my end of the ultimatum.


And by and large the pro audio community will laugh you right off the floor,
Get over it. That is simply goofy.
This kind of over plolitical correctness is far more excruciating than
references to words that YOU think are offensive. Wacked.

Ever drive a VW, Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, CHRYSLER?

How bout Bosche? ... if you actually dug in and studied you might explode.









As you may have guessed Third-Reich-Revisionist humour does not amuse
me, unless the Third Reich is at the butt of the jokes.

While I Native Instruments arguably cannot help that one of their
programmers has neo-Nazi proclivities, they had damned well make sure
that potentially offensive **** like that gets squelched during alpha
testing. The fact that "Mein Comp" made it into the release is a bit
shocking, I mean, how many people read those preset names during the
development phase? During Alpha testing? Beta Testing? Release
Candidates?

Anyway, all I want is for NI to acknowledge the error and correct it in
the next release.

I'm usually pretty quiet on these forums but this sorta irked me. Sorry
if it starts a flame war.

This message will be cross-posted to the following forums:
Gearslutz
EQ
Pro Sound Web
rec.audio.pro
3D Audio

Time to get ready for Shabbat.


Piyono

While I Native Instruments arguably cannot help that one of their
programmers has neo-Nazi proclivities,

So how do you know that? Simply making a similie to something that has an
evil past in an unrelated fashion automatically makes them part of that
movement? Get real!

Similarly -

Do we all mention "deadlines" every day? That word comes from the
Civil War when a line was drawn around prisoners in lieu of a fence.
Cross the line and you're dead. Knowing the etymology makes it
ghoulish. But the word has lost it's power.

Maybe they were talking about Chinese food?

Chow Mein Comp?




Kurt Riemann

I post on these boards so
infrequently that I've got nobody to back me up. BRBR


It's not a popularity thing. Most people here don't know each other. That's
the beauty of Usenet. You're judged on what you say, not how good you look or
what kind of car you drive.




Joe Egan
EMP
Colchester, VT
www.eganmedia.com

Then again, I don't really give the matter *too* much though
because,
frankly, I'm not a heavy usenet/forum poster.

That in itself is a very good reason NOT to drop into a forum with a
controvesial subject. If your'e going to get on a soapbox, you'd
better be prepared to deal with hecklers. Otherwise you'll never get
any respect.

Agreed.

But since you said you wouldn't stick around, I guess
you'll never learn this lesson. I'm not going to chase you over to
Gearslutz. But maybe someone else can take the hint.


Sorry, I wasn't clear. I didn't mean to make it sound like I'm
ditching. I started the fire and I'm gonna stick around to take the
heat. Let it never be said that I avoid being held accountable for my
mistakes.

Oh, and so you know, just because I don't pipe up much doesn't mean I
haven't been here for just as long as some of you guys have.

KZ

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:40:21 -0500, Geoff Wood wrote
(in article ):


"Ty Ford" wrote in message news:Zbednc06BfkM9SHcRVn-


Ignorance is not always blissful. Sorry for the off topic post.

Finally sucking..... um, succumbing there Ty ?

;-)

geoff



pllllphtt!

Ty

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