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Of Canyons Grand and Imaginary (Was " OT - Bush has clear
Here we go. I told you it wasn't clear until it's clear
The meaningless consequence of choice without reason is chaos. I didn't say without reason..I said in spite of reason. Could be the same choice. But it's good for those who wish to make choices without having made decisions based on a comparative evaluation of the alternatives because it allows them to have absolutely no accountability simply because there is no accountability. I Not in a life context of integrity..just the opposite..choice leaves you with responsibility..if you are responsible..I said nothing of accountability. How would it be, John, if you or I made choices without taking into considerations the reasons to make those choices, Happens all the time. Doesn't choice ALWAYS take reasons into consideration, whilst decisions can be made regardless of the possible choices? I can choose a car without knowing anything about it..no reason except "I want it" Methinks you have it backwards, and more's the worse because you almost make it sound plausibl People use reasons as excuses for unresponsible behaviour.."I was late because...I don't have the money because...I can't give you what I promised because...etc..etc. Believe me..it took quite a while to see this but it makes a lot of things more workable for me..YMMV John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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I recall a radio question maybe 15 years ago and it wanted people to call in
with their most lame excuse for being late or missing work. I came up with, "Well, my shoestring broke and it took me two hours to find thread to sow it back together." and won. The point is that maybe the questions aren't the right ones and enable the excuses rather than understand the explanations. Such is the continued downing of America. Easier to say "I got here on time, why didn't you" which automatically requires an excuse, rather than the more subtle and amiable "You know, if there's a problem in the future with you getting here on time, I'd be more than willing to stop by and pick you up." Today's world is leaning towards the former and leaving the latter in the dust. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Blind Joni" wrote in message ... Here we go. I told you it wasn't clear until it's clear The meaningless consequence of choice without reason is chaos. I didn't say without reason..I said in spite of reason. Could be the same choice. But it's good for those who wish to make choices without having made decisions based on a comparative evaluation of the alternatives because it allows them to have absolutely no accountability simply because there is no accountability. I Not in a life context of integrity..just the opposite..choice leaves you with responsibility..if you are responsible..I said nothing of accountability. How would it be, John, if you or I made choices without taking into considerations the reasons to make those choices, Happens all the time. Doesn't choice ALWAYS take reasons into consideration, whilst decisions can be made regardless of the possible choices? I can choose a car without knowing anything about it..no reason except "I want it" Methinks you have it backwards, and more's the worse because you almost make it sound plausibl People use reasons as excuses for unresponsible behaviour.."I was late because...I don't have the money because...I can't give you what I promised because...etc..etc. Believe me..it took quite a while to see this but it makes a lot of things more workable for me..YMMV John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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Easier to say "I got here on time, why didn't you"
which automatically requires an excuse, rather than the more subtle and amiable "You know, if there's a problem in the future with you getting here on time, I'd be more than willing to stop by and pick you up." Today's world is leaning towards the former and leaving the latter in the dust. I agree . John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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"WillStG" wrote in message ... "Hev" A call for honesty hardly warrants being called a bigot, especially when calling into question a view that is derived from a purely subjective origin. The only thing you have displayed here is my point. So that's the best you can do for an excuse, to claim the constant insults were not intolerant condescention but merely a "call for honesty?" Keep sending your toddler to Sunday school. You ARE doing the right thing after all. Back into the bubble and everything will be ok Will. Don't forget to deliver pristine audio for the propaganda at work. -- -Hev find me he www.michaelSCREWspringerROBOTS.com |
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"WillStG" wrote in message
... I intend to expose my son to the collective wisdom and beauty of the human experience, as he will decide for himself what he finds meaningful - no matter what I think. You want to exclude and censor religion from *your* child's experience that's your business, but I don't think that would make you nearly as open minded and wise as you would like to think you are. The comments above are coming from a man whose son told him "I want to accept Jesus into my heart" and he doesn't think sending him to religious Sunday school has anything to do with it. Collective wisdom and beauty? So you are explaining to your son that this is just a theory he is learning? Do you think he is old enough to understand that concept? Completely delusional, out of touch with reality and lashes out against anything that exposes what is really going on in his life. The truth hurts. -- -Hev find me he www.michaelSCREWspringerROBOTS.com |
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WillStG wrote: "Hev" A call for honesty hardly warrants being called a bigot, especially when calling into question a view that is derived from a purely subjective origin. The only thing you have displayed here is my point. So that's the best you can do for an excuse, to claim the constant insults were not intolerant condescention but merely a "call for honesty?" How ironic. Here is Will Miho calling someone racist; the guy who said "The Palestinian People have produced Nothing of social significance" . I guess he thinks that "christianity" was of no significance, or he's just convieniantly forgetful, or finaly being honest about the value of his version of christianity. |
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WillStG wrote: "Hev" Keep sending your toddler to Sunday school. You ARE doing the right thing after all. Back into the bubble and everything will be ok Will. Don't forget to deliver pristine audio for the propaganda at work. I intend to expose my son to the collective wisdom and beauty of the human experience, as he will decide for himself what he finds meaningful - no matter what I think. You want to exclude and censor religion from *your* child's experience that's your business, but I don't think that would make you nearly as open minded and wise as you would like to think you are. So Will, what exactly are you telling your adopted son about the Koran? Or even traditional Japanese Bhudisim? |
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Let's test the bigger man thing one more time. I believe that a God or Gods
could exist. Can you believe that there might not be one? Put your money where your ****ing mouth is and be done with it. If you can't take your "bigger man" **** somewhere else. First..how old are you? Second - you perspective on "belief" is flawed. To be positive one must "believe"..not give oneself a mental "backdoor" just in case..nothing exceptional is cerated in this way..nothing. Upon voicing your flawed perspective you them ask your opponent to agree with the flaw. This is where the arguement fails for so many. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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Blind Joni wrote:
Let's test the bigger man thing one more time. I believe that a God or Gods could exist. Can you believe that there might not be one? Put your money where your ****ing mouth is and be done with it. If you can't take your "bigger man" **** somewhere else. First..how old are you? Second - you perspective on "belief" is flawed. To be positive one must "believe"..not give oneself a mental "backdoor" just in case..nothing exceptional is cerated in this way..nothing. Upon voicing your flawed perspective you them ask your opponent to agree with the flaw. This is where the arguement fails for so many. yup no mental backdoor walk out the front door and go God shopping until you find one that fits your own personal idea of what god is right Blind? G |
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"Blind Joni" wrote in message
... Let's test the bigger man thing one more time. I believe that a God or Gods could exist. Can you believe that there might not be one? Put your money where your ****ing mouth is and be done with it. If you can't take your "bigger man" **** somewhere else. First..how old are you? I know I've gotten to you when you ask me this rhetorical question. And as I thought no answer to my question above. Weak men with weak minds. -- -Hev find me he www.michaelSCREWspringerROBOTS.com |
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"Blind Joni" wrote in message
... The comments above are coming from a man whose son told him "I want to accept Jesus into my heart" and he doesn't think sending him to religious Sunday school has anything to do with it. And the evil here is what??? That Will doesn't even understand the consequences of his actions. -- -Hev find me he www.michaelSCREWspringerROBOTS.com |
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he doesn't think sending him to religious
Sunday school has anything to do with it. And the evil here is what??? That Will doesn't even understand the consequences of his actions. It would seem to me that he understands them perfectly..and choose for himself. Can you accept that choice or are you right and he wrong? Careful..trick question! John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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yup
no mental backdoor walk out the front door and go God shopping until you find one that fits your own personal idea of what god is Free country..and yoiu seem to have a much more personal idea of what God is/isn't than me. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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"Blind Joni" wrote in message ... he doesn't think sending him to religious Sunday school has anything to do with it. And the evil here is what??? That Will doesn't even understand the consequences of his actions. It would seem to me that he understands them perfectly..and choose for himself. Can you accept that choice or are you right and he wrong? Careful..trick question! It isn't a question. He saw no correlation between his toddler wanting to accept Jesus into his heart and Will sending his son to Sunday school. As if the child came to this conclusion through a personal epiphany at age 4. Ridiculous and delusional. -- -Hev find me he www.michaelSCREWspringerROBOTS.com |
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I know I've gotten to you when you ask me this rhetorical question. And as I
thought no answer to my question above. Weak men with weak minds. You pat yourself on the back for enlightenment and then insult me...good Grasshopper! John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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Blind Joni wrote:
yup no mental backdoor walk out the front door and go God shopping until you find one that fits your own personal idea of what god is Free country..and yoiu seem to have a much more "informed" idea of what God is/isn't than me. see my correction to your semantic error and now your getting it , john Congrats george |
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"Blind Joni" wrote in message ... I know I've gotten to you when you ask me this rhetorical question. And as I thought no answer to my question above. Weak men with weak minds. You pat yourself on the back for enlightenment and then insult me...good Grasshopper! And I will continue until you put your money where your mouth is. -- -Hev find me he www.michaelSCREWspringerROBOTS.com |
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You pat yourself on the back for enlightenment and then insult me...good
Grasshopper! And I will continue until you put your money where your mouth is. -- to prove what cannot be proved ..this is what you require?..can't help you there. Nor can anyone..so repaeatedly asking for it is ....????? John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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Can you accept that choice or are you right and he wrong?
Careful..trick question! It isn't a question. He saw no correlation between his toddler wanting to accept Jesus into his heart and Will sending his son to Sunday school. As if the child came to this conclusion through a personal epiphany at age 4. Ridiculous and delusional. Uhh...I did ask a question...and Will never thought for a moment( I assume here) that he should leave his 4 year old to his own devices to discover the world without parental guidance..that would be irresponsible..is that what you are suggesting..irresponsible parenting?..or parenting by your model..as if it were any of your business. Kids don't come to understand math, poetry, art... on their own either..so what is your beef..or alternative? John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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