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Mic zaps by Cell Phone RF!
OK, this is weirdness. When some new cell phones ring (with the ringer
muted) they emit an electronic pulse that has been causing a extremely loud electronic BAZAAAAP! noise in my Sennheiser Lavalier mics. I have been wondering on occasion lately, "Hey what the hell was that?", and now I have found that the ridiculous electronic noise is invariably accompanied by a muted cell phone going off. So you guys might like to be specific when you ask people to turn their cells off, some people will just mute them and if they have an offending model it could screw up a take pretty damn well and leave you wondering what is wrong with your gear! Doesn't sound anything like mic noise, it's digital pulse buzz like I might imagine an "E-Bomb" might give off to knock down electronic communications or something. Could something like that screw up a digital mixer or interfere with a computer/DAW? Hey maybe that's the nefarious plan, when all the Samsung cell phone go off at once Dr. Evil takes down all our communications! Or something... Will Miho NY Music & TV Audio Guy Audioist / Fox News "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits |
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"WillStG" wrote in message ... OK, this is weirdness. When some new cell phones ring (with the ringer muted) they emit an electronic pulse that has been causing a extremely loud electronic BAZAAAAP! noise in my Sennheiser Lavalier mics. I have been wondering on occasion lately, "Hey what the hell was that?", and now I have found that the ridiculous electronic noise is invariably accompanied by a muted cell phone going off. So you guys might like to be specific when you ask people to turn their cells off, some people will just mute them and if they have an offending model it could screw up a take pretty damn well and leave you wondering what is wrong with your gear! Doesn't sound anything like mic noise, it's digital pulse buzz like I might imagine an "E-Bomb" might give off to knock down electronic communications or something. Could something like that screw up a digital mixer or interfere with a computer/DAW? Hey maybe that's the nefarious plan, when all the Samsung cell phone go off at once Dr. Evil takes down all our communications! Or something... Will Miho NY Music & TV Audio Guy Audioist / Fox News "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits nothing like running a small motor near a sensitive mic to add to ones headaches. makes me wonder is there mght be a market for MU metal jumpsuits. |
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On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 01:00:02 -0500, "TimPerry"
wrote: makes me wonder is there mght be a market for MU metal jumpsuits. snip Not too many years ago, ABC actually had all their wire run ducts coated with mu metal to allay any fears about "electromagnetic radiation" illnesses! This was at the Talmadge and Prospect studios. The contractor, a personal friend of mine, laughed all the way to the bank, but the dunderheaded ABC brass were QUITE serious! Mind you, the hottest thing in those ducts was 480. LOL! dB |
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WillStG wrote: OK, this is weirdness. When some new cell phones ring (with the ringer muted) they emit an electronic pulse that has been causing a extremely loud electronic BAZAAAAP! noise in my Sennheiser Lavalier mics. I have been wondering on occasion lately, "Hey what the hell was that?", and now I have found that the ridiculous electronic noise is invariably accompanied by a muted cell phone going off. So you guys might like to be specific when you ask people to turn their cells off, some people will just mute them and if they have an offending model it could screw up a take pretty damn well and leave you wondering what is wrong with your gear! Doesn't sound anything like mic noise, it's digital pulse buzz like I might imagine an "E-Bomb" might give off to knock down electronic communications or something. Could something like that screw up a digital mixer or interfere with a computer/DAW? Hey maybe that's the nefarious plan, when all the Samsung cell phone go off at once Dr. Evil takes down all our communications! Maybe a simple explanation of the meaning of *off* would help ? Graham |
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DeserTBoB wrote:
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 01:00:02 -0500, "TimPerry" wrote: makes me wonder is there mght be a market for MU metal jumpsuits. snip Not too many years ago, ABC actually had all their wire run ducts coated with mu metal to allay any fears about "electromagnetic radiation" illnesses! This was at the Talmadge and Prospect studios. The contractor, a personal friend of mine, laughed all the way to the bank, but the dunderheaded ABC brass were QUITE serious! Mind you, the hottest thing in those ducts was 480. LOL! Given the number of lawsuits out there, this might have been a good idea. You wouldn't believe some of the bizarre suits out there from folks claiming damage due to electromagnetic radiation. It's at the point where OSHA has now made guidelines for RF exposure, in the absence of any actual physical data. If a few tens of thousands of dollars of overpriced conduit keeps away a million-dollar lawsuit, it's a good investment even if it really does nothing. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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WillStG wrote:
OK, this is weirdness. When some new cell phones ring (with the ringer muted) they emit an electronic pulse that has been causing a extremely loud electronic BAZAAAAP! noise in my Sennheiser Lavalier mics. I have been wondering on occasion lately, "Hey what the hell was that?", and now I have found that the ridiculous electronic noise is invariably accompanied by a muted cell phone going off. Not only this, but occasionally cellphones that aren't in use will produce brief ticking sounds in nearby mikes. They aren't very loud, but they can also be a real nightmare to track down. I hate the things. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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I've been asking for cell phones to be turned off for all sessions I do for
about 4-5 years now. I can't control the concerts, but I can do the sessions. BTW, many wired mics also have issues. The Neumann KM 18x series is particularly sensitive to cellular interference. The early Yamaha digital consoles are also pretty easily hit. --Ben -- Benjamin Maas Fifth Circle Audio Los Angeles, CA http://www.fifthcircle.com Please remove "Nospam" from address for replies "WillStG" wrote in message ... OK, this is weirdness. When some new cell phones ring (with the ringer muted) they emit an electronic pulse that has been causing a extremely loud electronic BAZAAAAP! noise in my Sennheiser Lavalier mics. I have been wondering on occasion lately, "Hey what the hell was that?", and now I have found that the ridiculous electronic noise is invariably accompanied by a muted cell phone going off. So you guys might like to be specific when you ask people to turn their cells off, some people will just mute them and if they have an offending model it could screw up a take pretty damn well and leave you wondering what is wrong with your gear! Doesn't sound anything like mic noise, it's digital pulse buzz like I might imagine an "E-Bomb" might give off to knock down electronic communications or something. Could something like that screw up a digital mixer or interfere with a computer/DAW? Hey maybe that's the nefarious plan, when all the Samsung cell phone go off at once Dr. Evil takes down all our communications! Or something... Will Miho NY Music & TV Audio Guy Audioist / Fox News "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits |
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"WillStG" wrote in message
... OK, this is weirdness. When some new cell phones ring (with the ringer muted) they emit an electronic pulse that has been causing a extremely loud electronic BAZAAAAP! noise in my Sennheiser Lavalier mics. I have been wondering on occasion lately, "Hey what the hell was that?", and now I have found that the ridiculous electronic noise is invariably accompanied by a muted cell phone going off. I've found in my experience that it's the GSM type cell phones (ATT, TMobile, etc.) whose frequency somehow gets into audio equipment. CDMA (as in my Verizon cell phone) doesn't. Perhaps there's a technical explanation related to the frequencies at which these services operate. I've been warning people about it for a couple of years now after someone with a cell phone ruined a take in a session, and this person was in the control room, not in front of a mic. Also, I think it doesn't have to do with it being muted. It happens when it's on and it's ringing or about to, as far as I've seen. JLRevelo www.jlrevelo.com |
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I always know when I'm about to get a call in my car, because I get
that tick-tick-tick bzz oscillation over my car stereo speakers just before the phone rings. Briefly, In my experience, condenser mics with unbalanced or "impedance-balanced" outputs are all susceptible to cell phone interference to varying degrees. Mics with transistor-balanced outputs, i.e. mics that have the Schoeps CMC3 topology as a common ancestor fare much better than the unbalanced mics, but will still oscillate if the phone is near (within a foot or two of) the cable or XLR output of the mic. Hybrid mics, such as the Schoeps CMC6's reject this interference better than the discrete balanced mics. However, Mics equipped with output transformers that I have tested are completely immune to this problem. The offending phones appear to be CDMA and GSM based and the resulting noise occuring as a result of the carrier signal coupling through the cable, causing the active circuitry to oscillate. Brent Casey PMI Audio Group 877-563-6335 |
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I concur. I have also noticed over the years that the GSM phones are the
culprits. Like you, I find CDMA doesn't usually present the same problems. The EMF from GSM phones seems to find its way into all kinds of lines. I've even seen the display on a CRT completely collapse as the GSM cell phone sitting next to it rings. What worries me is that even next to some fairly low impedance audio lines, I've had pretty horrendous noises come buzzing out of my monitors. Even when the phone is being used on a call (not ringing), the buzz radiates into even low impedance circuits. Makes me wonder how bad those things really do fry your brain! Bill Ruys. "JL" wrote in message news  "WillStG" wrote in message ... OK, this is weirdness. When some new cell phones ring (with the ringer muted) they emit an electronic pulse that has been causing a extremely loud electronic BAZAAAAP! noise in my Sennheiser Lavalier mics. I have been wondering on occasion lately, "Hey what the hell was that?", and now I have found that the ridiculous electronic noise is invariably accompanied by a muted cell phone going off. I've found in my experience that it's the GSM type cell phones (ATT, TMobile, etc.) whose frequency somehow gets into audio equipment. CDMA (as in my Verizon cell phone) doesn't. Perhaps there's a technical explanation related to the frequencies at which these services operate. I've been warning people about it for a couple of years now after someone with a cell phone ruined a take in a session, and this person was in the control room, not in front of a mic. Also, I think it doesn't have to do with it being muted. It happens when it's on and it's ringing or about to, as far as I've seen. JLRevelo www.jlrevelo.com |
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"WillStG" wrote in message ... OK, this is weirdness. When some new cell phones ring (with the ringer muted) they emit an electronic pulse that has been causing a extremely loud electronic BAZAAAAP! noise in my Sennheiser Lavalier mics. I have been wondering on occasion lately, "Hey what the hell was that?", and now I have found that the ridiculous electronic noise is invariably accompanied by a muted cell phone going off. So you guys might like to be specific when you ask people to turn their cells off, some people will just mute them and if they have an offending model it could screw up a take pretty damn well and leave you wondering what is wrong with your gear! Doesn't sound anything like mic noise, it's digital pulse buzz like I might imagine an "E-Bomb" might give off to knock down electronic communications or something. Could something like that screw up a digital mixer or interfere with a computer/DAW? Hey maybe that's the nefarious plan, when all the Samsung cell phone go off at once Dr. Evil takes down all our communications! Or something... Will Miho NY Music & TV Audio Guy Audioist / Fox News "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits I find that it very rarely prints to tracks, and some phones induce noise into the monitoring system simply when searching for cells or are otherwise in a totally passive mode... little chirps or a series of tapping sounds while no calls are incoming or notification messages being rec'd.. They just seem to inherently make noise. My five year old Nokia (on Verizon) never induces any noise at all... even when ringing. -- David Morgan (MAMS) http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com Morgan Audio Media Service Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901 _______________________________________ http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com |
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message... I find that it very rarely prints to tracks, You know... I can't remember the last time I had one go off near a mic, I'm pretty animate about getting them turned off duing tracking. It's having them laying around the control room where I find they get into the monitors but generally not onto tracks. DM |
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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
My five year old Nokia (on Verizon) never induces any noise at all... even when ringing. Verizon is using CDMA over cellular frequencies. AT&T phones are so predictably buzzy I can tell from the far end of a landline call when the other guy's phone is about to ring. |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... DeserTBoB wrote: On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 01:00:02 -0500, "TimPerry" wrote: makes me wonder is there mght be a market for MU metal jumpsuits. snip Not too many years ago, ABC actually had all their wire run ducts coated with mu metal to allay any fears about "electromagnetic radiation" illnesses! This was at the Talmadge and Prospect studios. The contractor, a personal friend of mine, laughed all the way to the bank, but the dunderheaded ABC brass were QUITE serious! Mind you, the hottest thing in those ducts was 480. LOL! Given the number of lawsuits out there, this might have been a good idea. You wouldn't believe some of the bizarre suits out there from folks claiming damage due to electromagnetic radiation. It's at the point where OSHA has now made guidelines for RF exposure, in the absence of any actual physical data. If a few tens of thousands of dollars of overpriced conduit keeps away a million-dollar lawsuit, it's a good investment even if it really does nothing. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, note that the plantiff has spent 20-30x more of his lifetime in private dwellings where all the power wiring is completely unshielded. I submit that the defendant's ordinary thin steel conduit is vastly superior in terms of both electrostatic and electromagnetic shielding to anything the plantif has in any of the places he had lived during his lifetime. |
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On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:20:32 -0800, "Richard Crowley"
wrote: It's at the point where OSHA has now made guidelines for RF exposure, in the absence of any actual physical data. snip Now THAT I agree with, it's been long overdue, and the assertion that there's "no physical data" is corporate hogwash. Having worked microwave for years, and knowing other fellow microwave techs who wound up with cataracts by age 40, as well as leukemia and various cancers, I know for a fact that non-ionizing radiation IS dangerous, no doubt about it. Case in point: For years since 1950, AT&T Long Lines maintained 4 and 11 GHz transmitters at the top of the Empire State in NYC. Western Electric always used flanged rigid copper waveguide with absorptive gaskets, but radio sites in the entire Bell System were notoriously leaky. A communication tech who had the Empire State job for ages had a desk directly under the elbows for the waveguide runs coming in off the roof. One day, he simply keeled over dead. Autopsy showed he was literally cooked from the inside out. He had been experiencing fatigue, unexplained fevers, cataract problems for years and other maladies, but his doctors were unsure of the causes. Once he was opened up, the cause was pretty obvious. Remember, this was before the advent of the RadaRange, and most people were clueless about the effects of MW radiation. AT&T tried desperately to keep this hushed up, but the rumor mill in the Bell System at the time was better than most of their transcontinental carrier systems. A Narda was used to "sniff" the Empire State radio room, and horrendous leakage was found right in the area where he spent most of his time during his shift. The widow was paid off handsomely to avoid a suit, and a spate of waveguide inspections started nationwide. Crappy installation, misaligned flanges, missing gaskets, cracked solder and other maladies showed up nationwide, including in the office were I worked. Once many of these were fixed, of course, transmitter powers had to be decreased in many locations; the receiving end was simply running out of AGC due to higher power from the transmit end! Another case: A technician in Los Angeles had a roll-around rack of various KS-spec H-P test gear arranged as an MLA in the radio room there. This set was always kept "hot," since the line-up time from cold was considerable. The unterminated 50 ohm output from the MW generator in the test set was within a few feet of this guy's desk for years. Result: Loss of sight in one eye, serious cataracts with iris damage in the other. One day, a 50 ohm N-connector dummy load appeared on the output connector, with a missive, "Generator MUST be terminated at all times." 'Nuff said there! It's a documented fact that AT&T tried very hard for years to keep OSHA from issuing RF radiation standards, fearing a spate of suits after the Empire State caper. When proof came that the Soviets had set standards less than HALF of accepted US standards for environmental exposure, the suits came and went anyway, but many peoples' lives were ruined before that time. I know I have health problems from MW exposure, but fortunately, they're pretty minor. Since I quit working in MW locations, my cataracts quit growing, but I'll need surgery anyway pretty soon. Proof enough for me! EMR claims have largely been debunked as a non-issue, but don't tell me about "harmless" non-ionizing radiation from microwave. Been there, SEEN that. Why do you think AT&T junked their massive MW network during the analog-to-digital conversion in the '90s? It sure as hell wasn't for cost savings of operation. A plan was in effect to convert all 4 GHz TD-type radio routes from 1200-to-1800 channel analog to 90 MB/s PCM back in those days, but suddenly, word came down from Noo Joisey that microwave was out...no explanation given. Tells volumes right there. You want to look down an open hot waveguide? Be my guest. Then, years later when your functionally blind, you can remember you heard it here first. dB |
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DeserTBoB wrote:
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:20:32 -0800, "Richard Crowley" wrote: It's at the point where OSHA has now made guidelines for RF exposure, in the absence of any actual physical data. snip Now THAT I agree with, it's been long overdue, and the assertion that there's "no physical data" is corporate hogwash. Having worked microwave for years, and knowing other fellow microwave techs who wound up with cataracts by age 40, as well as leukemia and various cancers, I know for a fact that non-ionizing radiation IS dangerous, no doubt about it. Yes, but you're also talking first of all about microwaves, and secondly about very high levels. Up at that range, tissue heating effects _are_ very well documented. I used to know someone who claimed he could hear microwaves... when the radar system (probably about 1 MW ERP because of the tight beam) was turned on, he could hear something. Turned out to be tissue heating effects causing his skull to expand. That's very bad for you. But the OSHA guidelines also apply to AM broadcast systems too. They are really quite arbitrary and they don't seem to match very well with anything. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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There was a story going around the ham radio circles in the '50's
about some out-of-tolerance readings on a radar in the DEW Line installation that were observed about the same time every Saturday night. It turned out that a technician was opening up a waveguide before going out on his Saturday night date thinking he was temporarily sterilizing himself. The sub-arctic temperatures at the DEW line would take care of his concerns. Scott Fraser |
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The Dew Line FPS18 radars ran 1.2MW Peak power... average would be
substantially lower. ERP would be 20db or more above that. Definitely a sea story.... he would have been seriously cooked, and I don't think they would want to run an extremely expensive transmitter into an improper load. Rgds: Eric "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... DeserTBoB wrote: On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:20:32 -0800, "Richard Crowley" wrote: It's at the point where OSHA has now made guidelines for RF exposure, in the absence of any actual physical data. snip Now THAT I agree with, it's been long overdue, and the assertion that there's "no physical data" is corporate hogwash. Having worked microwave for years, and knowing other fellow microwave techs who wound up with cataracts by age 40, as well as leukemia and various cancers, I know for a fact that non-ionizing radiation IS dangerous, no doubt about it. Yes, but you're also talking first of all about microwaves, and secondly about very high levels. Up at that range, tissue heating effects _are_ very well documented. I used to know someone who claimed he could hear microwaves... when the radar system (probably about 1 MW ERP because of the tight beam) was turned on, he could hear something. Turned out to be tissue heating effects causing his skull to expand. That's very bad for you. But the OSHA guidelines also apply to AM broadcast systems too. They are really quite arbitrary and they don't seem to match very well with anything. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Eric K. Weber wrote:
The Dew Line FPS18 radars ran 1.2MW Peak power... average would be substantially lower. ERP would be 20db or more above that. Definitely a sea story.... he would have been seriously cooked, and I don't think they would want to run an extremely expensive transmitter into an improper load. No, these weren't DEW line radars... this was in the 1980s at GTRI with much lower wavelength stuff and much lower power. I've only seen the DEW system in photographs. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
If you swallow a cellular phone, you'll probalby just get a bad case of indigestion. At least then the ringing won't be in your ears. -- ha |
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WillStG wrote: Pooh Bear Maybe a simple explanation of the meaning of *off* would help ? My point exactly, many people think turning the ringer off is turning the cell phone off, and if they do that and you're in the middle of a take you might have a "what the hell was that" moment when unbeknownst to you the muted phone rings and you hear a loud electronic BAZAAAP come down your mic lines. Just thinking about it, I realised I'd have to navigate several menus to turn off the ringer. And ppl think that means the same as turning it off ? Astonishing. I wonder if they do the same when travelling by plane ? Maybe you should get a Faraday cage and ask them to deposit their cell phones in there ? Graham |
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wrote in message .. . On 2004-12-07 said: State in NYC. Western Electric always used flanged rigid copper waveguide with absorptive gaskets, but radio sites in the entire Bell System were notoriously leaky. A communication tech who had the Empire State job for ages had a desk directly under the elbows for the waveguide runs coming in off the roof. One day, he simply keeled over dead. Autopsy showed he was literally cooked from the inside out. There was a story going around the ham radio circles in the '50's about some out-of-tolerance readings on a radar in the DEW Line installation that were observed about the same time every Saturday night. It turned out that a technician was opening up a waveguide before going out on his Saturday night date thinking he was temporarily sterilizing himself. This (and living below a possibly defective microwave joint) is not in any way the same as carrying a low power cell phone in your pocket. When you have a hole in a several kilowatt transmission system, you have a problem. true, but for years they've suggested that people hold handheld uhf and microwave transmitters away from their head because of the effects of said radiation on the soft tissues of the eyes etc. THen there's the urban legend about the guy working a Bell system microwave site who had to work one CHristmas eve. FOol brought some beer to this remote location and figured out that he could sit directly in the path of one of the feedhorns for one of these large dishes and be warm as he darnk his beer. Said urban legend says the dude literally cooked himself from the inside out. Ahh, the evergreen urban myth... http://www.snopes.com/horrors/techno/cooked.htm Anyone who has tried cooking something thick in a microwave oven knows that it doesn't violate the laws of physics. It cooks from the surface to the inside. Otherwise we couldn't enjoy such delicacies as "Baked Alaska". |
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Richard Crowley wrote:
Anyone who has tried cooking something thick in a microwave oven knows that it doesn't violate the laws of physics. It cooks from the surface to the inside. Otherwise we couldn't enjoy such delicacies as "Baked Alaska". I've always done Baked Alaska in a gas-fired oven! Can you really do it in the microwave? Now that you mention it, I would think the skin effect would actually make it easier to do than the oven. Does it brown as nicely, though? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"WillStG" wrote in message ... (Scott Dorsey) Yes, but you're also talking first of all about microwaves, and secondly about very high levels. Up at that range, tissue heating effects _are_ very well documented. I used to know someone who claimed he could hear microwaves... when the radar system (probably about 1 MW ERP because of the tight beam) was turned on, he could hear something. Turned out to be tissue heating effects causing his skull to expand. That's very bad for you. The "Mythbusters" guys on "The Learning Channel" were doing an experiment on free energy, this week's episode they managed to get all of half a voit of power from a wire for an antenna in their shop. But maybe in some of those Microwave locations they could maybe power a couple light bulbs. I read in some audio book that when they have demolished buildings in New York City, they have taken pictures of large electrical arcs between girders as they break in two, lot of potential energy there. Will Miho NY Music & TV Audio Guy Audioist / Fox News "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits Had a friend that lived in the vicinity of NBC's 50kw AM transmitter out on Long Island and said that some of the fluorescent lights in his house stayed lit even with their switch turned off. George |
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The sub-arctic temperatures at the DEW line would take care of his
concerns. Probably so would anyone he might find to date. Maybe he's into polar bears?BRBR Then again, you'd be surprised what those kind of conditions bring out in people. Many decades ago on tour in Alaska I ran into a little hotty who was certainly no polar bear. Scott Fraser |
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Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: X-Abuse-Info: Please forward a copy of all headers for proper handling X-Trace: ldjgbllpbapjglppdbdpiflmbcekedmfhojhikkbagflhcbohk ccjhaapkhfahebalcpdfdfhdacgfjabbbinppoammaedfmnijl lbndlpfclfomihbbjoldfngcmehnfkicenclhlfiljkjmldjho bphegcgdfo NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:24:09 EST Organization: BellSouth Internet Group Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 14:24:09 GMT Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com rec.audio.pro:1130543 On 2004-12-07 said: State in NYC. Western Electric always used flanged rigid copper waveguide with absorptive gaskets, but radio sites in the entire Bell System were notoriously leaky. A communication tech who had the Empire State job for ages had a desk directly under the elbows for the waveguide runs coming in off the roof. One day, he simply keeled over dead. Autopsy showed he was literally cooked from the inside out. There was a story going around the ham radio circles in the '50's about some out-of-tolerance readings on a radar in the DEW Line installation that were observed about the same time every Saturday night. It turned out that a technician was opening up a waveguide before going out on his Saturday night date thinking he was temporarily sterilizing himself. This (and living below a possibly defective microwave joint) is not in any way the same as carrying a low power cell phone in your pocket. When you have a hole in a several kilowatt transmission system, you have a problem. true, but for years they've suggested that people hold handheld uhf and microwave transmitters away from their head because of the effects of said radiation on the soft tissues of the eyes etc. THen there's the urban legend about the guy working a Bell system microwave site who had to work one CHristmas eve. FOol brought some beer to this remote location and figured out that he could sit directly in the path of one of the feedhorns for one of these large dishes and be warm as he darnk his beer. Said urban legend says the dude literally cooked himself from the inside out. Richard Webb, Electric SPider Productions, New Orleans, La. REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email -- "So she said it was either her or ham radio....OVER" |
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Don't listen to this guy, his name is BOB SCARBOROUGH from Arizona, he
has (5) different usernames on ebay- DESERTBOB-DESERTBOB1-DESERTBOB2-DESERTBOB3-VOXPOPPER- he runs up negative feedbacks, then changes to another username he bought a VHS dub from me, returned it for another one, then left negative feedback disguised as a neutral he also bought an alignment tape from me, made a copy for himself, then returned it for a full refund now he's following my auctions daily, and dogging my Usenet posts- all are warned, to BAN ALL HIS USERNAMES FROM YOUR EBAY AUCTIONS |
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On 1 Jan 2005 07:49:18 -0800, wrote:
Don't listen to this guy, his name is BOB SCARBOROUGH from Arizona, he has (5) different usernames on ebay- DESERTBOB-DESERTBOB1-DESERTBOB2-DESERTBOB3-VOXPOPPER- he runs up negative feedbacks, then changes to another username snip I've been trying to shut down this fraudster, , aka 66fourdoor on ebay, for months. This is his limp attempt at a comeback. I do have to hand it to this clown...he's learned how to manipulate the ebay feedback system to his advantage and has also conned a number of ebay buyers with his dubbed "alignment" carts and cassettes. I've made him my favorite chew toy. Will Miho has to play second fiddle. dB |
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