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soundroofing a small Jazz club (Police problems... help !)
I have a small Jazz club... 50 square meters... actually shaped like a
rectangle. Its on a third floor and the building is made of iron and concrete... Local ordinance only allows for 50 db of sound leakage onto the streets... Our room has about 100 dbls max (we do swing and bop Jazz, trios and quartets.) Can anyone offer some tips on some economical soundproofing schemes. We're having huge POLICE problems (story at my website www.eddielandsberg.com) - - the police are shutting down my current location... we need to move and soundproof... I'm looking at a room, but its surrounded by windows... I know ideally you want three layers of drywall (etc) on each side... but we don't have that space or option... so I'm wondering if we have a second wall, say an inch or so for the wall and line it with acoustic foam if it might get us well under the 40... Any tips.. 100 dbls isn't a lot of sound... at the current location we had a single layer of drywall, but it was an old wooden building and the neighboring business was RIGHT UP AGAINST our wall, and we didn't have a double door. We got the sound down to 50-65 dbls.... the place was only 25 square meters. Your help appreciated... Please respond privately... as I don't check this board. Eddie shakehip at AOL dot com www.eddielandsberg.com P.S., Considering the police problems, ACOUSTIC ENVIRONMENT is the least of my worries... I just want to keep as much sound in as possible ! |
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"virtuousohammondspoofer" wrote in message om... I have a small Jazz club... 50 square meters... actually shaped like a rectangle. Its on a third floor and the building is made of iron and concrete... Local ordinance only allows for 50 db of sound leakage onto the streets... 50db at the street? Hell, a toilet flush is 67db as you sit...and you're on the third floor, so that's 10m or 30ft from the outside wall down to the street. Something doesn't add up. Regardless, mass is your friend, double doors, less glass, keep the doors shut. John |
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"virtuousohammondspoofer" wrote in message om... I have a small Jazz club... 50 square meters... actually shaped like a rectangle. Its on a third floor and the building is made of iron and concrete... Local ordinance only allows for 50 db of sound leakage onto the streets... 50db at the street? Hell, a toilet flush is 67db as you sit...and you're on the third floor, so that's 10m or 30ft from the outside wall down to the street. Something doesn't add up. Regardless, mass is your friend, double doors, less glass, keep the doors shut. John |
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(virtuousohammondspoofer) wrote in message . com...
Can anyone offer some tips on some economical soundproofing schemes. We're having huge POLICE problems (story at my website www.eddielandsberg.com) - - the police are shutting down my current location... we need to move and soundproof... First off, you don't have a POLICE problem. You have a NOISE problem that YOU have created. If someday you call the police and they don't help, then maybe you have a police problem. I'm looking at a room, but its surrounded by windows... I know ideally you want three layers of drywall (etc) on each side... but we don't have that space or option... so I'm wondering if we have a second wall, say an inch or so for the wall and line it with acoustic foam if it might get us well under the 40... Maybe, maybe not. I'd look for a different location with brick/block walls. Any tips.. 100 dbls isn't a lot of sound... To whom? At what time of day or night? It's plenty to me when I'm trying to relax or sleep, or concentrate on work. at the current location we had a single layer of drywall, but it was an old wooden building and the neighboring business was RIGHT UP AGAINST our wall, and we didn't have a double door. We got the sound down to 50-65 dbls.... the place was only 25 square meters. Your help appreciated... Please respond privately... as I don't check this board. If you think you have the right to make all the noise you want and call it a police problem, and can't be bothered to check back here for advice even tho you asked here, then my advice is to adjust your attitude about other people. As above, I'd look for a different location with brick/block walls. Be good to your neighbors, or your problems will continue. Mikey Wozniak Nova Music Productions This sig is haiku |
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"John Halliburton" wrote: "virtuousohammondspoofer" wrote in message om... I have a small Jazz club... 50 square meters... actually shaped like a rectangle. Its on a third floor and the building is made of iron and concrete... Local ordinance only allows for 50 db of sound leakage onto the streets... 50db at the street? Hell, a toilet flush is 67db as you sit...and you're on the third floor, so that's 10m or 30ft from the outside wall down to the street. Something doesn't add up. I measured one of our powerflush toilets at 90 dB! Many of these sound ordinances are entirely unrealistic. We're now contending with a local ordinance that says if anyone complains, it's too loud by definition. And it will apply to every source of sound, including power tools and animals. -Jay -- x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x |
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In article ,
"John Halliburton" wrote: "virtuousohammondspoofer" wrote in message om... I have a small Jazz club... 50 square meters... actually shaped like a rectangle. Its on a third floor and the building is made of iron and concrete... Local ordinance only allows for 50 db of sound leakage onto the streets... 50db at the street? Hell, a toilet flush is 67db as you sit...and you're on the third floor, so that's 10m or 30ft from the outside wall down to the street. Something doesn't add up. I measured one of our powerflush toilets at 90 dB! Many of these sound ordinances are entirely unrealistic. We're now contending with a local ordinance that says if anyone complains, it's too loud by definition. And it will apply to every source of sound, including power tools and animals. -Jay -- x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x |
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John Halliburton wrote:
"virtuousohammondspoofer" wrote in message . com... I have a small Jazz club... 50 square meters... actually shaped like a rectangle. Its on a third floor and the building is made of iron and concrete... Local ordinance only allows for 50 db of sound leakage onto the streets... 50db at the street? Hell, a toilet flush is 67db as you sit...and you're on the third floor, so that's 10m or 30ft from the outside wall down to the street. Something doesn't add up. Also, of course, that is probably 50 dB A-weighted, which makes it pretty meaningless anyway. Regardless, mass is your friend, double doors, less glass, keep the doors shut. Right. And try and be in a place where bass conduction through the structure just isn't an issue. That's the real problem in most clubs anyway. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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John Halliburton wrote:
"virtuousohammondspoofer" wrote in message . com... I have a small Jazz club... 50 square meters... actually shaped like a rectangle. Its on a third floor and the building is made of iron and concrete... Local ordinance only allows for 50 db of sound leakage onto the streets... 50db at the street? Hell, a toilet flush is 67db as you sit...and you're on the third floor, so that's 10m or 30ft from the outside wall down to the street. Something doesn't add up. Also, of course, that is probably 50 dB A-weighted, which makes it pretty meaningless anyway. Regardless, mass is your friend, double doors, less glass, keep the doors shut. Right. And try and be in a place where bass conduction through the structure just isn't an issue. That's the real problem in most clubs anyway. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1102095405k@trad... In article writes: Any tips.. 100 dbls isn't a lot of sound... To whom? At what time of day or night? It's plenty to me when I'm trying to relax or sleep, or concentrate on work. Actually, that's a lot. This must be the kind of jazz with a funk drummer and horn section. A lot of people complain about movie theater sound being too loud and that's nominally 85 dBA. Yeah, but they have to be loud so you can hear above the theater next door. dtk |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1102095405k@trad... In article writes: Any tips.. 100 dbls isn't a lot of sound... To whom? At what time of day or night? It's plenty to me when I'm trying to relax or sleep, or concentrate on work. Actually, that's a lot. This must be the kind of jazz with a funk drummer and horn section. A lot of people complain about movie theater sound being too loud and that's nominally 85 dBA. Yeah, but they have to be loud so you can hear above the theater next door. dtk |
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I measured one of our powerflush toilets at 90 dB! Many of these sound ordinances are entirely unrealistic. We're now contending with a local ordinance that says if anyone complains, it's too loud by definition. And it will apply to every source of sound, including power tools and animals. -Jay Protest that ordinance! People can just hate on you at will with a broad legislation like that! With a specific number, you can pull out the Rat Shack SPL meter and show the "boys" your reading. |
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I measured one of our powerflush toilets at 90 dB! Many of these sound ordinances are entirely unrealistic. We're now contending with a local ordinance that says if anyone complains, it's too loud by definition. And it will apply to every source of sound, including power tools and animals. -Jay Protest that ordinance! People can just hate on you at will with a broad legislation like that! With a specific number, you can pull out the Rat Shack SPL meter and show the "boys" your reading. |
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dt king wrote:
"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1102095405k@trad... drummer and horn section. A lot of people complain about movie theater sound being too loud and that's nominally 85 dBA. Yeah, but they have to be loud so you can hear above the theater next door. The airport's calling to complain about the noise again! Planes can't take off with that subwoofer going... --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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dt king wrote:
"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1102095405k@trad... drummer and horn section. A lot of people complain about movie theater sound being too loud and that's nominally 85 dBA. Yeah, but they have to be loud so you can hear above the theater next door. The airport's calling to complain about the noise again! Planes can't take off with that subwoofer going... --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Carey Carlan wrote in message . 191...
(EGO) wrote in om: I measured one of our powerflush toilets at 90 dB! Many of these sound ordinances are entirely unrealistic. We're now contending with a local ordinance that says if anyone complains, it's too loud by definition. And it will apply to every source of sound, including power tools and animals. -Jay Protest that ordinance! People can just hate on you at will with a broad legislation like that! With a specific number, you can pull out the Rat Shack SPL meter and show the "boys" your reading. More importantly, such an ordinance would not stand up to a court of appeals. I'm just curious - why not? I myself favor SPL-based ordinances, but I must admit, the phrase "Your right to swing your fist ends at my face" sure does seem analogous to "Your right to make unnecessary noise ends at my ear". I can sympathize with power tools sometimes, but, let's face it, noise pollution is a problem and we all have to be a part of the solution. Anyway, here's a link if anyone is interested. http://www.nonoise.org/ Mikey Wozniak Nova Music Productions this sig is haiku |
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Mikey wrote:
Carey Carlan wrote in message . 191... (EGO) wrote in .com: I measured one of our powerflush toilets at 90 dB! Many of these sound ordinances are entirely unrealistic. We're now contending with a local ordinance that says if anyone complains, it's too loud by definition. And it will apply to every source of sound, including power tools and animals. -Jay Protest that ordinance! People can just hate on you at will with a broad legislation like that! With a specific number, you can pull out the Rat Shack SPL meter and show the "boys" your reading. More importantly, such an ordinance would not stand up to a court of appeals. I'm just curious - why not? I doubt many cornfields at 3am could achieve as low as 50 dB as measured by the noise police G |
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"Mikey" wrote in message
I myself favor SPL-based ordinances, but I must admit, the phrase "Your right to swing your fist ends at my face" sure does seem analogous to "Your right to make unnecessary noise ends at my ear". I can sympathize with power tools sometimes, but, let's face it, noise pollution is a problem and we all have to be a part of the solution. My personal opinion is that people disliking something shouldn't be the yardstick for if it's illegal. I typically wear really loud shirts. Are churchbells exempt? You can hear those suckers for miles. dtk |
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I can easily turn my head or close my eyes if I don't like your shirt.
You can wear your shirt, but you don't have the right to force me to look at it. Loud shirts are not invasive. Loud sounds are. I cannot close my ears. I don't like to be invaded with sound. Particularly with low frequencies, which are used as weapons by our military (and probably others as well). It's how we got Noriega out of his rabbit hole in Panama. No reason why churchbells should be exempt. If (big if) anything should be exempt, it should be only necessary (whatever that is) noise. Emergency vehicles, some construction, etc. Mikey Wozniak Nova Music Productions this sig is haiku |
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Why don't you find out who the local cop jazz band is and invite them
and all of their cop friends over for a jam. Or you could just find out who the guy is that you pay off. In article , Scott Dorsey wrote: dt king wrote: "Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1102095405k@trad... drummer and horn section. A lot of people complain about movie theater sound being too loud and that's nominally 85 dBA. Yeah, but they have to be loud so you can hear above the theater next door. The airport's calling to complain about the noise again! Planes can't take off with that subwoofer going... --scott Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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