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Formatting a Hard Drive for Audio Recording?
In this group's opinion, what is the optimum cluster size setting (or
as XP calls it, allocation unit size) when formatting a hard drive. I have seen 32K, 64K, and some say leave it at the default of 512K. Please excuse me if this subject has been discussed before, but I've looked everywhere, and there are many thoughts about this. I'm just looking for a consensus. |
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Catdaddy wrote in message ... In this group's opinion, what is the optimum cluster size setting (or as XP calls it, allocation unit size) when formatting a hard drive. I have seen 32K, 64K, and some say leave it at the default of 512K. Please excuse me if this subject has been discussed before, but I've looked everywhere, and there are many thoughts about this. I'm just looking for a consensus. What I do is format my audio drives with NTFS and use the largest cluster size available. ( usually 64K. I think you might of misinterpreted the '512K' number, I've never seen that. I believe that WinXP defaults to 4K ) Here is a forum with some people discussing the options : http://www.short-media.com/forum/arc...php/t-679.html Best of luck! John L Rice |
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John L Rice wrote:
Catdaddy wrote in message ... In this group's opinion, what is the optimum cluster size setting (or as XP calls it, allocation unit size) when formatting a hard drive. I have seen 32K, 64K, and some say leave it at the default of 512K. Please excuse me if this subject has been discussed before, but I've looked everywhere, and there are many thoughts about this. I'm just looking for a consensus. What I do is format my audio drives with NTFS and use the largest cluster size available. ( usually 64K. I think you might of misinterpreted the '512K' number, I've never seen that. I believe that WinXP defaults to 4K ) I am by no means an expert on Microsoft technology (my attitude is that when it comes to Microsoft, ignorance is bliss), but the information I've dug up just now indicates the NTFS is an extent-based filesystem. Which means that the cluster size is mostly a moot point, because in most cases the filesystem should be able notice that you are writing out a big bunch of sequential data to a file, so it should be able to, in effect, combine several contiguous clusters together into one big continuous area. Or at least that is what extent-based filesystem are supposed to be able to do. This does, however, rely on the OS realizing that you're writing a big stream of continuous data out to a file and figuring out that it can make this optimization. - Logan |
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Catdaddy wrote:
In this group's opinion, what is the optimum cluster size setting (or as XP calls it, allocation unit size) when formatting a hard drive. I have seen 32K, 64K, and some say leave it at the default of 512K. For FAT16 and FAT32 file systems use the largest cluster size available. On PCs running XP, that means 64 KB clusters. Win98 machines often have problems reading anything larger than 8 KB clusters so that might be your limit on those machines. On PDAs running Windows Mobile (Pocket PC 2002/2003), Softwinter's Storage Tools lets you format flash memory (SD and CF cards), MicroDrives and hard drives to as large as 64 KB clusters. That's what we recommend for 24/96 recording. -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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As clusters are (theoretically) physically contiguous, it would seem to make
sense to use the largest cluster size available, as this would minimize the number of times the system has to locate a free cluster, and the HD's head to move to it. Given that the larger, better hard drives have a fairly large buffer, there may be no practical difference. |
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Catdaddy wrote in message
In this group's opinion, what is the optimum cluster size setting (or as XP calls it, allocation unit size) when formatting a hard drive. I have seen 32K, 64K, and some say leave it at the default of 512K. The default is 512 bytes, not 512 K. It's tiny, but frankly it does not seem to cause many problems on modern machines. It may have been more of an issue on old machines with small CPUs. |
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Arny,
Thanks for clearing up that bit of confusion for me!! "Arny Krueger" wrote in message news Catdaddy wrote in message In this group's opinion, what is the optimum cluster size setting (or as XP calls it, allocation unit size) when formatting a hard drive. I have seen 32K, 64K, and some say leave it at the default of 512K. The default is 512 bytes, not 512 K. It's tiny, but frankly it does not seem to cause many problems on modern machines. It may have been more of an issue on old machines with small CPUs. |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
Catdaddy wrote in message In this group's opinion, what is the optimum cluster size setting (or as XP calls it, allocation unit size) when formatting a hard drive. I have seen 32K, 64K, and some say leave it at the default of 512K. The default is 512 bytes, not 512 K. It's tiny, but frankly it does not seem to cause many problems on modern machines. It may have been more of an issue on old machines with small CPUs. I'm pretty sure the 512 bytes you're thinking of is the sector size on the drive media itself. This is the default for all but a few RAID setups and the only value most OS's will recognize. The cluster size ranges from 4k to 64k on windows filesystems, with 128k possible on drives using using 1024 byte sectors. |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
Catdaddy wrote in message In this group's opinion, what is the optimum cluster size setting (or as XP calls it, allocation unit size) when formatting a hard drive. I have seen 32K, 64K, and some say leave it at the default of 512K. The default is 512 bytes, not 512 K. It's tiny, but frankly it does not seem to cause many problems on modern machines. It may have been more of an issue on old machines with small CPUs. I'm pretty sure the 512 bytes you're thinking of is the sector size on the drive media itself. This is the default for all but a few RAID setups and the only value most OS's will recognize. The cluster size ranges from 4k to 64k on windows filesystems, with 128k possible on drives using using 1024 byte sectors. |
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"Kurt Albershardt" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: Catdaddy wrote in message In this group's opinion, what is the optimum cluster size setting (or as XP calls it, allocation unit size) when formatting a hard drive. I have seen 32K, 64K, and some say leave it at the default of 512K. The default is 512 bytes, not 512 K. It's tiny, but frankly it does not seem to cause many problems on modern machines. It may have been more of an issue on old machines with small CPUs. I'm pretty sure the 512 bytes you're thinking of is the sector size on the drive media itself. This is also true. This is the default for all but a few RAID setups and the only value most OS's will recognize. MS says that the default NTFS cluster size for small partitions (512 MB or less) is one sector - 512 bytes: http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;314878 |
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"Kurt Albershardt" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: Catdaddy wrote in message In this group's opinion, what is the optimum cluster size setting (or as XP calls it, allocation unit size) when formatting a hard drive. I have seen 32K, 64K, and some say leave it at the default of 512K. The default is 512 bytes, not 512 K. It's tiny, but frankly it does not seem to cause many problems on modern machines. It may have been more of an issue on old machines with small CPUs. I'm pretty sure the 512 bytes you're thinking of is the sector size on the drive media itself. This is also true. This is the default for all but a few RAID setups and the only value most OS's will recognize. MS says that the default NTFS cluster size for small partitions (512 MB or less) is one sector - 512 bytes: http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;314878 |
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Arny Krueger wrote: MS says that the default NTFS cluster size for small partitions (512 MB or less) is one sector - 512 bytes: http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;314878 And formatting tools will allow you to format with 512 byte clusters if you so wish. That's not too efficient if you're trying to read or writing lots of data continuously. -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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Arny Krueger wrote: MS says that the default NTFS cluster size for small partitions (512 MB or less) is one sector - 512 bytes: http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;314878 And formatting tools will allow you to format with 512 byte clusters if you so wish. That's not too efficient if you're trying to read or writing lots of data continuously. -- Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio Core Sound http://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey USA http://www.core-sound.com Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message news MS says that the default NTFS cluster size for small partitions (512 MB or less) is one sector - 512 bytes: But who in hell would use a 512 MB partition in this day and age? Especially with NTFS!!!!!!!!!! TonyP. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message news MS says that the default NTFS cluster size for small partitions (512 MB or less) is one sector - 512 bytes: But who in hell would use a 512 MB partition in this day and age? Especially with NTFS!!!!!!!!!! TonyP. |
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If you had a zillion very small files, 512 bytes might be
a good idea from the standpoint of space utilization. The (very obvious) rule is that the larger the cluster size is with respect to the average file size, the more space you waste. There's another reason for using large clusters. As the sectors within them are usually contiguous, your chance of recovering a deleted or corrupt file is improved. |
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If you had a zillion very small files, 512 bytes might be
a good idea from the standpoint of space utilization. The (very obvious) rule is that the larger the cluster size is with respect to the average file size, the more space you waste. There's another reason for using large clusters. As the sectors within them are usually contiguous, your chance of recovering a deleted or corrupt file is improved. |
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Thanks, guys for the info. It seems like the larger the cluster for
large audio files, the better. Thanks again!! |
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Thanks, guys for the info. It seems like the larger the cluster for
large audio files, the better. Thanks again!! |
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