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Q: Tuning / preparing drums for recording
Hi. I'm trying to mic a 5-piece Rogers jazz set from the late 70s or
early 80s. One 14" metal snare. The rest wood: a 12" tom, a 13" tom, a 16" floor tom and a 22" bass drum. Two crashes, one ride, one hihat, and one splash. The heads are all Remos except for Aquarian on the bass drum. The room is a little bright and echoey. Hardwood floors, 10' ceiling, about 15'x24' length and width. To my ears, the drums sound great in the room. However, the recorded product isn't so great. Bad tuning, probably masked by the room, sounds horrible on playback. Also, the drums sound distant even though I believe I have the mic preamps (on a Mackie VLZ mixer) and levels in their optimum ranges, and after experimenting with different levels with the rest of the band. Perhaps I'm getting phase cancelation due to room reflectivity. I have budget concerns and, for practice anyway, want to see how far I can push a minimal technique. Few mics, end result mono, little or no compression / EQ, etc. I have two Audio Technica ProLine condensers and one SM57. Willing to invest in something better if heavily encouraged, but I think it's my technique that can make the most difference at this point. To get the best balance of volume across all the drums, I wound up using only one of the condensers as an overhead and the SM57 in the bass drum hole. Alternatives seem to exaggerate something over the rest (like too much snare, etc.) But I'm guessing that not doing close micing in very live room is causing the `distant' sound. Any recommendations on micing? Room adjustments are possible (foam, etc.), but less desirable. Assuming that tuning and head replacement can help... Can someone recommend a good guide for drum tuning? Scanning the online offerings place this more of an art passed on from one to another, with little detail. If there're recommended books or indepth guides, I'd greatly appreciate pointers. If there are heads that tend to hold tunings better or have better characteristics recorded, I'd appreciate recommendations as well. If I can provide more information to help you help me, please let me know. Thank you very much, david P.S.: For what it's worth, I'm getting a great guitar sound in this room with an SM57 up to the cabinet. I'll save questions for recording bass and voice for another post. |
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David Petrou wrote
However, the recorded product isn't so great What's bad about it? Distorted? Or what? You can try moving the mics and the drum kit around the room (that's the best thing to do). I have heard that some Mackie mixers don't like the SM57 but I'm not up on exactly why. |
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David Petrou wrote in message ...
Hi. I'm trying to mic a 5-piece Rogers jazz set from the late 70s or early 80s. One 14" metal snare. The rest wood: a 12" tom, a 13" tom, a 16" floor tom and a 22" bass drum. Two crashes, one ride, one hihat, and one splash. The heads are all Remos except for Aquarian on the bass drum. The room is a little bright and echoey. Hardwood floors, 10' ceiling, about 15'x24' length and width. To my ears, the drums sound great in the room. However, the recorded product isn't so great. Bad tuning, probably masked by the room, sounds horrible on playback. Also, the drums sound distant even though I believe I have the mic preamps (on a Mackie VLZ mixer) and levels in their optimum ranges, and after experimenting with different levels with the rest of the band. Perhaps I'm getting phase cancelation due to room reflectivity. I have budget concerns and, for practice anyway, want to see how far I can push a minimal technique. Few mics, end result mono, little or no compression / EQ, etc. I have two Audio Technica ProLine condensers and one SM57. Willing to invest in something better if heavily encouraged, but I think it's my technique that can make the most difference at this point. To get the best balance of volume across all the drums, I wound up using only one of the condensers as an overhead and the SM57 in the bass drum hole. Alternatives seem to exaggerate something over the rest (like too much snare, etc.) But I'm guessing that not doing close micing in very live room is causing the `distant' sound. Any recommendations on micing? Room adjustments are possible (foam, etc.), but less desirable. snip.... I'd try using both condensers closer in, one on each side of the kit, as opposed to one farther back. Keep moving them around until you get a good balance of the kit (except for kick). The 57 on the kick may work, but the sound hole is not necessarily the best spot for it. Also try moving the kit within the room. Middle of room is one spot, a corner or wall is another. There was an article in EQ (I think) a few months ago on recording Tommy Lee's kit. It may have some tips for you as well. YMMV. best wishes, Mikey Wozniak Nova music Productions This sig is haiku |
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Hi:
The cheap way out is to get the drums tuned to perfection. There is a "Drum tuning bible" on line that will help. A recent copy of Tape Op magazine covered this subject very well. Once your in tune, I suggest a $7 investment in little gel squares called moongels. Try placing them on any drum hit surface to control the ring. As suggested before, move the drums around the room. there is likely a sweetest spot. In your setup, your drummer will be "mixing" the drums with his touch. Steve Gadd would be a good choice, hopefully he's your drummer (Hee). Good sounding drums, good drummer control, and the best microphone placement will yield the best results and always will, even if you get better microphones and outboard gear. You're gettiing to know the important stuff now. see12mic |
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