Dear fellow EM composers,

I am looking to buy or trade software within the electronic music
community. I have Reason 2.5 (newest) and Fruity Loops available for
trade and am looking for Ableton Live, Protools and Recycle 2.1. If
anyone wants to trade one of the above, please get in touch.
Otherwise, I would be happy to pay $50-100 for new versions of
Ableton, Protools or Recycle.

Get in touch if you'd like to trade or sell copies of your software to
recoup some of your cost.

Thanks!

-Chris Smedley

"Chris Smedley" wrote in message
om...
[...]
Get in touch if you'd like to trade or sell copies of your software to
recoup some of your cost.


Another alternative, equally legal and ethical, would be to simply rob a
bank and then buy the software from the vendors in the normal way.

"Chris Smedley" wrote in message
om...
[...]
Get in touch if you'd like to trade or sell copies of your software to
recoup some of your cost.


Another alternative, equally legal and ethical, would be to simply rob a
bank and then buy the software from the vendors in the normal way.

From: "Walter Harley"


"Chris Smedley" wrote in message
. com...
[...]
Get in touch if you'd like to trade or sell copies of your software to
recoup some of your cost.


Another alternative, equally legal and ethical, would be to simply rob a
bank and then buy the software from the vendors in the normal way.


I must have misread the original poster's intent. By copy, did he mean the
physical disc, or a burned CD?


-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

From: "Walter Harley"


"Chris Smedley" wrote in message
. com...
[...]
Get in touch if you'd like to trade or sell copies of your software to
recoup some of your cost.


Another alternative, equally legal and ethical, would be to simply rob a
bank and then buy the software from the vendors in the normal way.


I must have misread the original poster's intent. By copy, did he mean the
physical disc, or a burned CD?


-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

On 05 Oct 2004 05:05:33 GMT, (John) wrote:

Another alternative, equally legal and ethical, would be to simply rob a
bank and then buy the software from the vendors in the normal way.


I must have misread the original poster's intent. By copy, did he mean the
physical disc, or a burned CD?

I dunno, but one is a felony around here.

Chris Hornbeck

On 05 Oct 2004 05:05:33 GMT, (John) wrote:

Another alternative, equally legal and ethical, would be to simply rob a
bank and then buy the software from the vendors in the normal way.


I must have misread the original poster's intent. By copy, did he mean the
physical disc, or a burned CD?

I dunno, but one is a felony around here.

Chris Hornbeck

"Chris Hornbeck" wrote in message
...
On 05 Oct 2004 05:05:33 GMT, (John) wrote:

Another alternative, equally legal and ethical, would be to simply rob a
bank and then buy the software from the vendors in the normal way.


I must have misread the original poster's intent. By copy, did he mean
the
physical disc, or a burned CD?

I dunno, but one is a felony around here.

Chris Hornbeck



In the future currency will be information


--

-Hev
find me he
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"Chris Hornbeck" wrote in message
...
On 05 Oct 2004 05:05:33 GMT, (John) wrote:

Another alternative, equally legal and ethical, would be to simply rob a
bank and then buy the software from the vendors in the normal way.


I must have misread the original poster's intent. By copy, did he mean
the
physical disc, or a burned CD?

I dunno, but one is a felony around here.

Chris Hornbeck



In the future currency will be information


--

-Hev
find me he
www.michaelspringer.com

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:41:38 -0400, "Hev"
wrote:

In the future currency will be information

I suppose information has always been the most fluid and
"fungible" currency, but I've always liked Mr. Spock's
repost to his jilted lover about military secrets being
the most fleeting. Hopefully someone here can correct
my poor memory for details....?

Thanks,

Chris Hornbeck

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:41:38 -0400, "Hev"
wrote:

In the future currency will be information

I suppose information has always been the most fluid and
"fungible" currency, but I've always liked Mr. Spock's
repost to his jilted lover about military secrets being
the most fleeting. Hopefully someone here can correct
my poor memory for details....?

Thanks,

Chris Hornbeck

John wrote:

I must have misread the original poster's intent. By copy,
did he mean the physical disc, or a burned CD?

Didn't you notice the price range he offered to pay?

-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

--
*******************************************
* My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
*******************************************

John wrote:

I must have misread the original poster's intent. By copy,
did he mean the physical disc, or a burned CD?

Didn't you notice the price range he offered to pay?

-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

--
*******************************************
* My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
*******************************************

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:41:38 -0400, in rec.audio.pro you wrote:

"Chris Hornbeck" wrote in message
.. .
On 05 Oct 2004 05:05:33 GMT, (John) wrote:
snip


In the future currency will be information

I think it will be fresh water




martin

Serious error.
All shortcuts have disappeared.
Screen. Mind. Both are blank.

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:41:38 -0400, in rec.audio.pro you wrote:

"Chris Hornbeck" wrote in message
.. .
On 05 Oct 2004 05:05:33 GMT, (John) wrote:
snip


In the future currency will be information

I think it will be fresh water




martin

Serious error.
All shortcuts have disappeared.
Screen. Mind. Both are blank.

"martin griffith" wrote in message
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On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:41:38 -0400, in rec.audio.pro you wrote:

"Chris Hornbeck" wrote in message
. ..
On 05 Oct 2004 05:05:33 GMT, (John) wrote:
snip


In the future currency will be information

I think it will be fresh water




martin

Serious error.
All shortcuts have disappeared.
Screen. Mind. Both are blank.


****, you are probably right. That and fresh air.


--

-Hev
find me he
www.michaelspringer.com

"martin griffith" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:41:38 -0400, in rec.audio.pro you wrote:

"Chris Hornbeck" wrote in message
. ..
On 05 Oct 2004 05:05:33 GMT, (John) wrote:
snip


In the future currency will be information

I think it will be fresh water




martin

Serious error.
All shortcuts have disappeared.
Screen. Mind. Both are blank.


****, you are probably right. That and fresh air.


--

-Hev
find me he
www.michaelspringer.com

Hev wrote:

In the future currency will be information

An oldie, but a goodie.

However, software is not information. It is technology.

Rob R.

Hev wrote:

In the future currency will be information

An oldie, but a goodie.

However, software is not information. It is technology.

Rob R.

--

Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot.
"martin griffith" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:41:38 -0400, in rec.audio.pro you wrote:

"Chris Hornbeck" wrote in message
.. .
On 05 Oct 2004 05:05:33 GMT, (John) wrote:
snip


In the future currency will be information

I think it will be fresh water


Information about fresh water?

--

Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot.
"martin griffith" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:41:38 -0400, in rec.audio.pro you wrote:

"Chris Hornbeck" wrote in message
.. .
On 05 Oct 2004 05:05:33 GMT, (John) wrote:
snip


In the future currency will be information

I think it will be fresh water


Information about fresh water?

Get in touch if you'd like to trade or sell copies of your software to
recoup some of your cost.


....Another alternative, equally legal and ethical, would be to simply rob a
bank and then buy the software from the vendors in the normal way.


--- hehehehehe

Get in touch if you'd like to trade or sell copies of your software to
recoup some of your cost.


....Another alternative, equally legal and ethical, would be to simply rob a
bank and then buy the software from the vendors in the normal way.


--- hehehehehe

"Rob Reedijk" wrote in message
...
Hev wrote:

In the future currency will be information

An oldie, but a goodie.

However, software is not information. It is technology.

Rob R.


And that technology is comprised of nothing but information. Ones and zeros
to be precise. So your argument is circular. Software = information.

The point is there isn't a chance in the world to stop piracy... so we
better figure out the best way to live with it (and profit anyway).

--

-Hev
find me he
www.michaelspringer.com

"Rob Reedijk" wrote in message
...
Hev wrote:

In the future currency will be information

An oldie, but a goodie.

However, software is not information. It is technology.

Rob R.


And that technology is comprised of nothing but information. Ones and zeros
to be precise. So your argument is circular. Software = information.

The point is there isn't a chance in the world to stop piracy... so we
better figure out the best way to live with it (and profit anyway).

--

-Hev
find me he
www.michaelspringer.com

"Hev" wrote in message
...
The point is there isn't a chance in the world to stop piracy... so we
better figure out the best way to live with it (and profit anyway).


There's also no chance to stop bank robbery. But that doesn't mean we all
have to join in, nor that we have to tolerate bank robbers when we encounter
them. Ethical codes upheld by common agreement, while not perfect, do
actually have some utility.

"Hev" wrote in message
...
The point is there isn't a chance in the world to stop piracy... so we
better figure out the best way to live with it (and profit anyway).


There's also no chance to stop bank robbery. But that doesn't mean we all
have to join in, nor that we have to tolerate bank robbers when we encounter
them. Ethical codes upheld by common agreement, while not perfect, do
actually have some utility.

Hev wrote:
"Rob Reedijk" wrote in message
...
Hev wrote:

In the future currency will be information

An oldie, but a goodie.

However, software is not information. It is technology.

Rob R.

And that technology is comprised of nothing but information. Ones and zeros
to be precise. So your argument is circular. Software = information.

I don't think you got my point. You are quoting the idea that the
world has evolved different standards of currency. Our currency used
to be based on precious metals and other "things". At some point
it became more based on energy (oil etc). Who ever controls the
energy supply controls the economy. Whoever it was who suggested
that eventually the new standard of currency will be whoever controls
information will control the economy meant information as in a
consumable entity and so on. So while you can generalise that
technology is information, it is actually a lot more than that.
It is established as having an appliable use. Rather
than music creating/recording software being information, it is
perhaps the recorded music such as a music CD that is the information.

Rob R.`

Hev wrote:
"Rob Reedijk" wrote in message
...
Hev wrote:

In the future currency will be information

An oldie, but a goodie.

However, software is not information. It is technology.

Rob R.

And that technology is comprised of nothing but information. Ones and zeros
to be precise. So your argument is circular. Software = information.

I don't think you got my point. You are quoting the idea that the
world has evolved different standards of currency. Our currency used
to be based on precious metals and other "things". At some point
it became more based on energy (oil etc). Who ever controls the
energy supply controls the economy. Whoever it was who suggested
that eventually the new standard of currency will be whoever controls
information will control the economy meant information as in a
consumable entity and so on. So while you can generalise that
technology is information, it is actually a lot more than that.
It is established as having an appliable use. Rather
than music creating/recording software being information, it is
perhaps the recorded music such as a music CD that is the information.

Rob R.`

"Walter Harley" wrote in message
...
"Hev" wrote in message
...
The point is there isn't a chance in the world to stop piracy... so we
better figure out the best way to live with it (and profit anyway).


There's also no chance to stop bank robbery. But that doesn't mean we all
have to join in, nor that we have to tolerate bank robbers when we
encounter them. Ethical codes upheld by common agreement, while not
perfect, do actually have some utility.


I'm not trying to defend the actions as legal or "right". We all know
software piracy is wrong.
But there is a distinct difference between the physical constraints of a
bank robbery and "information exchange", or put another way; software
piracy.
To explain why I'll use your bank scenario. Think of software piracy as an
"online bank" that, because of the inherent nature of its contents, has a
permanent hole in the wall the size you could bike through with a nicely
sized bag of loot. It is futile to try to stop it, so adapt!

I think the future might hold companies releasing their software by having
it available for free download at their website, no strings attached. Then
the company can make back their money providing other services to support
that software. Sort of like a subscription for a magazine. Maybe they would
release add-ons (plug-ins) on a monthly basis and provide tech support for a
yearly subscription of what the cost of the software would have been.

--

-Hev
find me he
www.michaelspringer.com

"Walter Harley" wrote in message
...
"Hev" wrote in message
...
The point is there isn't a chance in the world to stop piracy... so we
better figure out the best way to live with it (and profit anyway).


There's also no chance to stop bank robbery. But that doesn't mean we all
have to join in, nor that we have to tolerate bank robbers when we
encounter them. Ethical codes upheld by common agreement, while not
perfect, do actually have some utility.


I'm not trying to defend the actions as legal or "right". We all know
software piracy is wrong.
But there is a distinct difference between the physical constraints of a
bank robbery and "information exchange", or put another way; software
piracy.
To explain why I'll use your bank scenario. Think of software piracy as an
"online bank" that, because of the inherent nature of its contents, has a
permanent hole in the wall the size you could bike through with a nicely
sized bag of loot. It is futile to try to stop it, so adapt!

I think the future might hold companies releasing their software by having
it available for free download at their website, no strings attached. Then
the company can make back their money providing other services to support
that software. Sort of like a subscription for a magazine. Maybe they would
release add-ons (plug-ins) on a monthly basis and provide tech support for a
yearly subscription of what the cost of the software would have been.

--

-Hev
find me he
www.michaelspringer.com

"Rob Reedijk" wrote in message
...
Hev wrote:
"Rob Reedijk" wrote in message
...
Hev wrote:

In the future currency will be information

An oldie, but a goodie.

However, software is not information. It is technology.

Rob R.

And that technology is comprised of nothing but information. Ones and
zeros
to be precise. So your argument is circular. Software = information.

I don't think you got my point. You are quoting the idea that the
world has evolved different standards of currency. Our currency used
to be based on precious metals and other "things". At some point
it became more based on energy (oil etc). Who ever controls the
energy supply controls the economy. Whoever it was who suggested
that eventually the new standard of currency will be whoever controls
information will control the economy meant information as in a
consumable entity and so on. So while you can generalise that
technology is information, it is actually a lot more than that.
It is established as having an appliable use. Rather
than music creating/recording software being information, it is
perhaps the recorded music such as a music CD that is the information.

Rob R.`



Ok. I follow you to a point. I do think the world is evolving to a different
sort of currency. But I do think that software is a form of information.

I don't follow you on your last sentence:

Rather than music creating/recording software being information, it is
perhaps the recorded music such as a music CD that is the information.

I think both. The software is information. And the recorded music CD is also
information. The bands have to adapt too. I think the importance of the live
show has never been more important.

--

-Hev
find me he
www.michaelspringer.com

"Rob Reedijk" wrote in message
...
Hev wrote:
"Rob Reedijk" wrote in message
...
Hev wrote:

In the future currency will be information

An oldie, but a goodie.

However, software is not information. It is technology.

Rob R.

And that technology is comprised of nothing but information. Ones and
zeros
to be precise. So your argument is circular. Software = information.

I don't think you got my point. You are quoting the idea that the
world has evolved different standards of currency. Our currency used
to be based on precious metals and other "things". At some point
it became more based on energy (oil etc). Who ever controls the
energy supply controls the economy. Whoever it was who suggested
that eventually the new standard of currency will be whoever controls
information will control the economy meant information as in a
consumable entity and so on. So while you can generalise that
technology is information, it is actually a lot more than that.
It is established as having an appliable use. Rather
than music creating/recording software being information, it is
perhaps the recorded music such as a music CD that is the information.

Rob R.`



Ok. I follow you to a point. I do think the world is evolving to a different
sort of currency. But I do think that software is a form of information.

I don't follow you on your last sentence:

Rather than music creating/recording software being information, it is
perhaps the recorded music such as a music CD that is the information.

I think both. The software is information. And the recorded music CD is also
information. The bands have to adapt too. I think the importance of the live
show has never been more important.

--

-Hev
find me he
www.michaelspringer.com

In article ,
"Hev" wrote:

I think the future might hold companies releasing their software by having
it available for free download at their website, no strings attached. Then
the company can make back their money providing other services to support
that software. Sort of like a subscription for a magazine. Maybe they would
release add-ons (plug-ins) on a monthly basis and provide tech support for a
yearly subscription of what the cost of the software would have been.

The problem with this scenario is that it rewards manufacturers for
releasing shoddy software that requires frequent patches and support.

It essentially shifts the cost of software into support, which can often
be drastically more expensive to the user than the simple cost of
purchasing quality software that requires little support. An "event"
that happens on the clock can mess up the functioning of a studio and
can have very serious consequences. Even for a non commercial studio,
the time wasted dealing with bugs can cause deadlines to slip and
opportunities to be lost.

I think the current system is just fine and the problem is that lots of
folks just want free stuff. Rationalize it any way you want, it's just
begging for a handout.


Regards,

Monte McGuire

In article ,
"Hev" wrote:

I think the future might hold companies releasing their software by having
it available for free download at their website, no strings attached. Then
the company can make back their money providing other services to support
that software. Sort of like a subscription for a magazine. Maybe they would
release add-ons (plug-ins) on a monthly basis and provide tech support for a
yearly subscription of what the cost of the software would have been.

The problem with this scenario is that it rewards manufacturers for
releasing shoddy software that requires frequent patches and support.

It essentially shifts the cost of software into support, which can often
be drastically more expensive to the user than the simple cost of
purchasing quality software that requires little support. An "event"
that happens on the clock can mess up the functioning of a studio and
can have very serious consequences. Even for a non commercial studio,
the time wasted dealing with bugs can cause deadlines to slip and
opportunities to be lost.

I think the current system is just fine and the problem is that lots of
folks just want free stuff. Rationalize it any way you want, it's just
begging for a handout.


Regards,

Monte McGuire

"Monte McGuire" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Hev" wrote:

I think the future might hold companies releasing their software by
having
it available for free download at their website, no strings attached.
Then
the company can make back their money providing other services to support
that software. Sort of like a subscription for a magazine. Maybe they
would
release add-ons (plug-ins) on a monthly basis and provide tech support
for a
yearly subscription of what the cost of the software would have been.

The problem with this scenario is that it rewards manufacturers for
releasing shoddy software that requires frequent patches and support.

It essentially shifts the cost of software into support, which can often
be drastically more expensive to the user than the simple cost of
purchasing quality software that requires little support. An "event"
that happens on the clock can mess up the functioning of a studio and
can have very serious consequences. Even for a non commercial studio,
the time wasted dealing with bugs can cause deadlines to slip and
opportunities to be lost.

I think the current system is just fine and the problem is that lots of
folks just want free stuff. Rationalize it any way you want, it's just
begging for a handout.


Ignore it all you want. The problem is here to stay.

Now how are we going to deal with it???

It is like the condoms in high school debate. We know the students are
****ing, we might as well deal with the problem and give them condoms.



--

-Hev
find me he
www.michaelspringer.com

"Monte McGuire" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Hev" wrote:

I think the future might hold companies releasing their software by
having
it available for free download at their website, no strings attached.
Then
the company can make back their money providing other services to support
that software. Sort of like a subscription for a magazine. Maybe they
would
release add-ons (plug-ins) on a monthly basis and provide tech support
for a
yearly subscription of what the cost of the software would have been.

The problem with this scenario is that it rewards manufacturers for
releasing shoddy software that requires frequent patches and support.

It essentially shifts the cost of software into support, which can often
be drastically more expensive to the user than the simple cost of
purchasing quality software that requires little support. An "event"
that happens on the clock can mess up the functioning of a studio and
can have very serious consequences. Even for a non commercial studio,
the time wasted dealing with bugs can cause deadlines to slip and
opportunities to be lost.

I think the current system is just fine and the problem is that lots of
folks just want free stuff. Rationalize it any way you want, it's just
begging for a handout.


Ignore it all you want. The problem is here to stay.

Now how are we going to deal with it???

It is like the condoms in high school debate. We know the students are
****ing, we might as well deal with the problem and give them condoms.



--

-Hev
find me he
www.michaelspringer.com

Hev wrote:


I think the current system is just fine and the problem is that lots of
folks just want free stuff. Rationalize it any way you want, it's just
begging for a handout.



Ignore it all you want. The problem is here to stay.

Now how are we going to deal with it???

Simple. Bust the people who do it aggressively, loudly and
often. Make sure people know that they shouldn't do the
crime unless they are willing to do the time and that there
is some serious probablity of that. Same as how all crimes
against person or property should be dealt with.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Hev wrote:


I think the current system is just fine and the problem is that lots of
folks just want free stuff. Rationalize it any way you want, it's just
begging for a handout.



Ignore it all you want. The problem is here to stay.

Now how are we going to deal with it???

Simple. Bust the people who do it aggressively, loudly and
often. Make sure people know that they shouldn't do the
crime unless they are willing to do the time and that there
is some serious probablity of that. Same as how all crimes
against person or property should be dealt with.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
...


Hev wrote:


I think the current system is just fine and the problem is that lots of
folks just want free stuff. Rationalize it any way you want, it's just
begging for a handout.



Ignore it all you want. The problem is here to stay.

Now how are we going to deal with it???

Simple. Bust the people who do it aggressively, loudly and often. Make
sure people know that they shouldn't do the crime unless they are willing
to do the time and that there is some serious probablity of that. Same as
how all crimes against person or property should be dealt with.


Bob
--

I'm sorry Bob but that is the most naive thing I have ever heard. The amount
of man power required to aggressively pursue the millions of offenders is
laughable. You obviously aren't aware of how widespread the problem is. To
"Bust the people who do it aggressively, loudly and often" is like putting a
band-aid on a missing limb.

Your answer is not a viable solution to the problem. The problem will only
worsen as compression gets more effective and our connections to the
internet improve over time. Encryption CD's have been cracked on all
occasions (funniest is the sharpie trick) and only serve as frustration to
the consumer as compatibility issues arise.

--

-Hev
find me he
www.michaelspringer.com