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Rudy Van Gelder leaves his microphones out all the time question...
Hello, there was some recent discussion around here about the Rudy Van
Gelder interview in TapeOp. I read that article yesterday. I noticed a picture intermingled with the article where all of his microphone stands were grouped in a corner with all the mics still on them and the mic cables wound up and draped on the stand. (They were all pretty beefy stands on wheels and didnt look like they tipped easily). I, being a selftaught recordist that never worked at another studio, always put my mics away for fear of dust, being knocked, etc....but then set-up is always much longer. Do all of you put your mics away each time or leave them out, wired and ready to go ala Rudy Van Gelder? This guy has been recording since the 50s or so, so I can only imagine how much dust is on his mics. Maybe thats his unknown secret. thx, frenchy |
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Is old Rudy a rich man? That might explain it.
In article , they call me frenchy! wrote: Hello, there was some recent discussion around here about the Rudy Van Gelder interview in TapeOp. I read that article yesterday. I noticed a picture intermingled with the article where all of his microphone stands were grouped in a corner with all the mics still on them and the mic cables wound up and draped on the stand. (They were all pretty beefy stands on wheels and didnt look like they tipped easily). I, being a selftaught recordist that never worked at another studio, always put my mics away for fear of dust, being knocked, etc....but then set-up is always much longer. Do all of you put your mics away each time or leave them out, wired and ready to go ala Rudy Van Gelder? This guy has been recording since the 50s or so, so I can only imagine how much dust is on his mics. Maybe thats his unknown secret. thx, frenchy Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Is old Rudy a rich man? That might explain it.
In article , they call me frenchy! wrote: Hello, there was some recent discussion around here about the Rudy Van Gelder interview in TapeOp. I read that article yesterday. I noticed a picture intermingled with the article where all of his microphone stands were grouped in a corner with all the mics still on them and the mic cables wound up and draped on the stand. (They were all pretty beefy stands on wheels and didnt look like they tipped easily). I, being a selftaught recordist that never worked at another studio, always put my mics away for fear of dust, being knocked, etc....but then set-up is always much longer. Do all of you put your mics away each time or leave them out, wired and ready to go ala Rudy Van Gelder? This guy has been recording since the 50s or so, so I can only imagine how much dust is on his mics. Maybe thats his unknown secret. thx, frenchy Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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they call me frenchy! wrote:
I, being a selftaught recordist that never worked at another studio, always put my mics away for fear of dust, being knocked, etc....but then set-up is always much longer. Do all of you put your mics away each time or leave them out, wired and ready to go ala Rudy Van Gelder? Lots of professional facilities are equipped with HVAC that effectively filters most of the grit out of the air. In my case, I leave them out if they're going to be used shortly, leave them out and covered with Crown Royal bags (that I get from a local saloon) if they'll be needed fairly soon but ought to be covered, and put them away if the stands will be in the way fairly shortly. This guy has been recording since the 50s or so, so I can only imagine how much dust is on his mics. Maybe thats his unknown secret. LOL! -- ha |
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they call me frenchy! wrote:
I, being a selftaught recordist that never worked at another studio, always put my mics away for fear of dust, being knocked, etc....but then set-up is always much longer. Do all of you put your mics away each time or leave them out, wired and ready to go ala Rudy Van Gelder? Lots of professional facilities are equipped with HVAC that effectively filters most of the grit out of the air. In my case, I leave them out if they're going to be used shortly, leave them out and covered with Crown Royal bags (that I get from a local saloon) if they'll be needed fairly soon but ought to be covered, and put them away if the stands will be in the way fairly shortly. This guy has been recording since the 50s or so, so I can only imagine how much dust is on his mics. Maybe thats his unknown secret. LOL! -- ha |
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they call me frenchy! wrote:
Its nice to make you laugh. Thank you; I am grateful for good medicine that is also free. You definitely made me laugh back in Feb 2002 with "When I finish chuckling I shall be asleep." That was a good one. Thx for your input. I actually have a sizeable collection of crown royal bags and have actually wondered if covering my condensers that way would be worse due to the dust/lint inside the bags. I need a shot, I'm too uptight I think. Turn the bags inside out and launder them. You won't have lint problems unless you stuff them under your shirt. They work well enough if the airborne dust burden isn't out of hand. If ti is, then mics shouldn't be out, maybe even to be used. g -- ha |
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they call me frenchy! wrote:
Its nice to make you laugh. Thank you; I am grateful for good medicine that is also free. You definitely made me laugh back in Feb 2002 with "When I finish chuckling I shall be asleep." That was a good one. Thx for your input. I actually have a sizeable collection of crown royal bags and have actually wondered if covering my condensers that way would be worse due to the dust/lint inside the bags. I need a shot, I'm too uptight I think. Turn the bags inside out and launder them. You won't have lint problems unless you stuff them under your shirt. They work well enough if the airborne dust burden isn't out of hand. If ti is, then mics shouldn't be out, maybe even to be used. g -- ha |
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leave them out and covered with Crown
Royal bags (that I get from a local saloon) BRBR Oh I see, from a local saloon, a likely story. Scott Fraser |
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leave them out and covered with Crown
Royal bags (that I get from a local saloon) BRBR Oh I see, from a local saloon, a likely story. Scott Fraser |
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"they call me frenchy!" wrote in
message ... Do all of you put your mics away each time or leave them out, wired and ready to go ala Rudy Van Gelder? Many studios did this in the mid '60s. Some even left them all in place on studio-owned instruments. Most mikes came with a dust cover for when you weren't using it. Remember that almost all music sessions at the time involved ensembles that used 6 to 12 mikes rather than the two or three used in overdub sessions today. Most sessions also involved well paid union musicians who wouldn't be very likely to rip studios off. -- Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined! 615.385.8051 http://www.hyperback.com |
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"they call me frenchy!" wrote in
message ... Do all of you put your mics away each time or leave them out, wired and ready to go ala Rudy Van Gelder? Many studios did this in the mid '60s. Some even left them all in place on studio-owned instruments. Most mikes came with a dust cover for when you weren't using it. Remember that almost all music sessions at the time involved ensembles that used 6 to 12 mikes rather than the two or three used in overdub sessions today. Most sessions also involved well paid union musicians who wouldn't be very likely to rip studios off. -- Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined! 615.385.8051 http://www.hyperback.com |
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Not because they were well paid studio musicians, but because they had a
date there the next day. ;-) I hate to say this but I also think the air was a lot cleaner 30-40 years ago and back then, most studios were built to last, no real home studios, except for Les Paul and a few other folks. If you were a busy studio, you didn't have time, everything was left miked, drums, piano, amps, only the vocal mikes were moved out of the away. Tom "Bob Olhsson" wrote in message ... "they call me frenchy!" wrote in message ... Do all of you put your mics away each time or leave them out, wired and ready to go ala Rudy Van Gelder? Many studios did this in the mid '60s. Some even left them all in place on studio-owned instruments. Most mikes came with a dust cover for when you weren't using it. Remember that almost all music sessions at the time involved ensembles that used 6 to 12 mikes rather than the two or three used in overdub sessions today. Most sessions also involved well paid union musicians who wouldn't be very likely to rip studios off. -- Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined! 615.385.8051 http://www.hyperback.com |
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Not because they were well paid studio musicians, but because they had a
date there the next day. ;-) I hate to say this but I also think the air was a lot cleaner 30-40 years ago and back then, most studios were built to last, no real home studios, except for Les Paul and a few other folks. If you were a busy studio, you didn't have time, everything was left miked, drums, piano, amps, only the vocal mikes were moved out of the away. Tom "Bob Olhsson" wrote in message ... "they call me frenchy!" wrote in message ... Do all of you put your mics away each time or leave them out, wired and ready to go ala Rudy Van Gelder? Many studios did this in the mid '60s. Some even left them all in place on studio-owned instruments. Most mikes came with a dust cover for when you weren't using it. Remember that almost all music sessions at the time involved ensembles that used 6 to 12 mikes rather than the two or three used in overdub sessions today. Most sessions also involved well paid union musicians who wouldn't be very likely to rip studios off. -- Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined! 615.385.8051 http://www.hyperback.com |
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"they call me frenchy!" wrote:
Hello, there was some recent discussion around here about the Rudy Van Gelder interview in TapeOp. I read that article yesterday. I noticed a picture intermingled with the article where all of his microphone stands were grouped in a corner with all the mics still on them and the mic cables wound up and draped on the stand. (They were all pretty beefy stands on wheels and didnt look like they tipped easily). I, being a selftaught recordist that never worked at another studio, always put my mics away for fear of dust, being knocked, etc....but then set-up is always much longer. Do all of you put your mics away each time or leave them out, wired and ready to go ala Rudy Van Gelder? This guy has been recording since the 50s or so, so I can only imagine how much dust is on his mics. Maybe thats his unknown secret. I'm sure he covers them when not in use. He might also have them cleaned from time to time. Since he's the only engineer who uses the studio (except perhaps/hopefully for his assistant during off hours) it probably doesn't matter where he stores them. He could put them in a closet, or he could just leave them out for the next session. Sorceror in NY used to leave their 47's and 48's on stands in the live room upstairs. I'm sure that had to have brought in business. -jw |
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"they call me frenchy!" wrote:
Hello, there was some recent discussion around here about the Rudy Van Gelder interview in TapeOp. I read that article yesterday. I noticed a picture intermingled with the article where all of his microphone stands were grouped in a corner with all the mics still on them and the mic cables wound up and draped on the stand. (They were all pretty beefy stands on wheels and didnt look like they tipped easily). I, being a selftaught recordist that never worked at another studio, always put my mics away for fear of dust, being knocked, etc....but then set-up is always much longer. Do all of you put your mics away each time or leave them out, wired and ready to go ala Rudy Van Gelder? This guy has been recording since the 50s or so, so I can only imagine how much dust is on his mics. Maybe thats his unknown secret. I'm sure he covers them when not in use. He might also have them cleaned from time to time. Since he's the only engineer who uses the studio (except perhaps/hopefully for his assistant during off hours) it probably doesn't matter where he stores them. He could put them in a closet, or he could just leave them out for the next session. Sorceror in NY used to leave their 47's and 48's on stands in the live room upstairs. I'm sure that had to have brought in business. -jw |
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Rudy Van Gelder leaves his microphones out all the time question... = Group: rec.audio.pro Date: Thu, Sep 30, 2004, 4:54am (EDT+4) From: (John=A0Washburn) Sorceror in NY used to leave their 47's and 48's on stands in the live room upstairs. I'm sure that had to have brought in business. -jw As did Gotham Recording in NY during the 60's. With over 40 Neumann mics with power supplys spread out over 4 studios that were used every day it was easier to just leave them on their stands. Eric |
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Rudy Van Gelder leaves his microphones out all the time question... = Group: rec.audio.pro Date: Thu, Sep 30, 2004, 4:54am (EDT+4) From: (John=A0Washburn) Sorceror in NY used to leave their 47's and 48's on stands in the live room upstairs. I'm sure that had to have brought in business. -jw As did Gotham Recording in NY during the 60's. With over 40 Neumann mics with power supplys spread out over 4 studios that were used every day it was easier to just leave them on their stands. Eric |
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I hate to say this but I also think the air was a lot cleaner 30-40 years ago and back then, True, but everybody smoked 30 or 40 years ago. Back in the day, one studio I worked in sent a U47 to Gotham to be cleaned because you could actually SEE the tar build up on the diaphram. -- Chris White, Freelance Advertising Writer & Voice Overs* Email: Web: www.chriswhite.com Phone: 757-621-1348 *Your opinion may vary |
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I hate to say this but I also think the air was a lot cleaner 30-40 years ago and back then, True, but everybody smoked 30 or 40 years ago. Back in the day, one studio I worked in sent a U47 to Gotham to be cleaned because you could actually SEE the tar build up on the diaphram. -- Chris White, Freelance Advertising Writer & Voice Overs* Email: Web: www.chriswhite.com Phone: 757-621-1348 *Your opinion may vary |
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Eric Toline wrote: As did Gotham Recording in NY during the 60's. With over 40 Neumann mics with power supplys spread out over 4 studios that were used every day it was easier to just leave them on their stands. We did at United, too. We only had about five rooms by the time I got there, but there were Neumanns set up in each room. |
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Eric Toline wrote: As did Gotham Recording in NY during the 60's. With over 40 Neumann mics with power supplys spread out over 4 studios that were used every day it was easier to just leave them on their stands. We did at United, too. We only had about five rooms by the time I got there, but there were Neumanns set up in each room. |
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Rudy has little covers that he puts over the mics before and after
recording. He wears white anti-static gloves when he sets up in his room. His room is very nice sounding and was built to his spec as I'm sure you know. His drum booth is pretty basic and so are his micing techniques. He uses the usual mics mostly Neumann and sometimes manufacturers give him mics to try out. Last time I was there he had a couple of Sony mics that he was trying out. I can't impress upon people enough that the room, which is quite large with very high ceilings accounts for his beautiful sound. He knows where to place people in the room to achieve what he wants. It is true as I have witnessed on occassions that if you touch, wink, or move a mic you will regret it. Chris |
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Rudy has little covers that he puts over the mics before and after
recording. He wears white anti-static gloves when he sets up in his room. His room is very nice sounding and was built to his spec as I'm sure you know. His drum booth is pretty basic and so are his micing techniques. He uses the usual mics mostly Neumann and sometimes manufacturers give him mics to try out. Last time I was there he had a couple of Sony mics that he was trying out. I can't impress upon people enough that the room, which is quite large with very high ceilings accounts for his beautiful sound. He knows where to place people in the room to achieve what he wants. It is true as I have witnessed on occassions that if you touch, wink, or move a mic you will regret it. Chris |
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"Shawn" wrote in message
om... Rudy has little covers that he puts over the mics before and after recording. He wears white anti-static gloves when he sets up in his room. Ah, must be the gloves. What's the best white anti-static gloves for under $2.50? |
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"Shawn" wrote in message
om... Rudy has little covers that he puts over the mics before and after recording. He wears white anti-static gloves when he sets up in his room. Ah, must be the gloves. What's the best white anti-static gloves for under $2.50? |
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I finally had a chance to read the interview. They really captured his essence.
Tape-Op remains my favorite, much like RE/P was 20 - 25 years ago. |
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I finally had a chance to read the interview. They really captured his essence.
Tape-Op remains my favorite, much like RE/P was 20 - 25 years ago. |
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Don Cooper wrote:
I finally had a chance to read the interview. They really captured his essence. They didn't really talk very much about philosophy at all. They talked a little bit about what he did, but they didn't really talk very much about why he did things. Not in any detail, anyway. I think that's kind of a shame, but even so it was one of the better interviews I have seen with him. Tape-Op remains my favorite, much like RE/P was 20 - 25 years ago. Tape-Op is one of the most fun magazines around today, but it's still a pale shadow of R/E/P. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Don Cooper wrote:
I finally had a chance to read the interview. They really captured his essence. They didn't really talk very much about philosophy at all. They talked a little bit about what he did, but they didn't really talk very much about why he did things. Not in any detail, anyway. I think that's kind of a shame, but even so it was one of the better interviews I have seen with him. Tape-Op remains my favorite, much like RE/P was 20 - 25 years ago. Tape-Op is one of the most fun magazines around today, but it's still a pale shadow of R/E/P. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Don Cooper wrote: I finally had a chance to read the interview. They really captured his essence. Tape-Op remains my favorite, much like RE/P was 20 - 25 years ago. I recently acquired several years ('87-'92) of RE/P. Tape Op is not in the same league as RE/P from a technical standpoint, although it is probably the best of the current publications. -Jay -- x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x |
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Mike Rivers wrote: I finally had a chance to read the interview. I haven't, but that issue of Tape Op just arrived yesterday. Should have read the Van Gelder article instead of listening to the VP debate. Ho, hum. Maybe they distribute them regionally, because mine just arrived this week, too. |
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Jay Kadis wrote: I recently acquired several years ('87-'92) of RE/P. Tape Op is not in the same league as RE/P from a technical standpoint, although it is probably the best of the current publications. I still have all the issues of RE/P. The early ones are especially fun. They take up a bit of space, but I like having them. I also have all the Mix magazines. I'm thinking of getting rid of EQ and some others. |
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Don Cooper wrote: Jay Kadis wrote: I recently acquired several years ('87-'92) of RE/P. Tape Op is not in the same league as RE/P from a technical standpoint, although it is probably the best of the current publications. I still have all the issues of RE/P. The early ones are especially fun. They take up a bit of space, but I like having them. I also have all the Mix magazines. I'm thinking of getting rid of EQ and some others. I finally dumped the old Modern Recordings when we moved last. The ads were fun, but I couldn't stand the haircuts anymore. Speaking of ads, did you see the Tascam ad in the MIX TEC supplement? For a second I thought they re-issued the 3440! -Jay -- x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x |
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Jay Kadis wrote: I finally dumped the old Modern Recordings when we moved last. The ads were fun, but I couldn't stand the haircuts anymore. I plead guilty to keeping those, too. They started in 1975, and ended some time in the '80's, I think. Speaking of ads, did you see the Tascam ad in the MIX TEC supplement? For a second I thought they re-issued the 3440! I saw that. I thought it was funny that they had to say "Old!" next to the 4 track. It probably cut down on people asking for the "warm, vintage" equipment. It is pretty amazing to consider the prices of the 4 track vs. the 24 track, and what one can get now for the dollar. |
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"they call me frenchy!" wrote: I noticed a picture intermingled with the article where all of his microphone stands were grouped in a corner with all the mics still on them and the mic cables wound up and draped on the stand. I also noticed one of those "plant lights" in the picture. Hmmmmm.... |
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