After much research I am still not sure which headphones would be good
for mixing, that also block out background noise, for under 200$. I
have heard of some DIY solutions for blocking noise, such as putting
noise-protection earmuffs onto my headphones, but I can't imagine this
gets good quality sound. If anyone can recommend something, I would
appreciate it.

(Bob) wrote:

After much research I am still not sure which headphones would be good
for mixing, that also block out background noise, for under 200$. I
have heard of some DIY solutions for blocking noise, such as putting
noise-protection earmuffs onto my headphones, but I can't imagine this
gets good quality sound. If anyone can recommend something, I would
appreciate it.

I don't understand the question. If you're "tracking", you need closed back
isolating headphones to block noise and reduce bleed. If you're "mixing" with
phones, there shouldn't be any instruments playing live, just the recorded
sounds, so open back headphones should work fine, discounting the problem of
even trying to mix with headphones. What am I missing here?

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/

Do you live near an airport...?

--
Steven Sena
XS Sound Recording
www.xssound.com

"Bob" wrote in message
om...
After much research I am still not sure which headphones would be good
for mixing, that also block out background noise, for under 200$. I
have heard of some DIY solutions for blocking noise, such as putting
noise-protection earmuffs onto my headphones, but I can't imagine this
gets good quality sound. If anyone can recommend something, I would
appreciate it.

Bob wrote:
After much research I am still not sure which headphones would be good
for mixing, that also block out background noise, for under 200$. I
have heard of some DIY solutions for blocking noise, such as putting
noise-protection earmuffs onto my headphones, but I can't imagine this
gets good quality sound. If anyone can recommend something, I would
appreciate it.

Don't know the price but these are amasing.
Really good isolation.
http://www.beyerdynamic.com/com/prod...eets/d953.php3

I myself use the DT770 pro, not as good isolation but
more comfy... actually really comfy, and nice sounding
on top.

Regards
Jan Holm

In article writes:

After much research I am still not sure which headphones would be good
for mixing, that also block out background noise, for under 200$.

No headphones are very good for mixing. It's possible to learn to mix
using headphones but it isn't a very nice thing.

Probably the best deal going these days is high grade earplug style
phones made by Etymotic Research.

have heard of some DIY solutions for blocking noise, such as putting
noise-protection earmuffs onto my headphones, but I can't imagine this
gets good quality sound.

Back in the '80's, the standard field recording headphone setup for
NPR engineers was a set of Sennheiser 414 phones (which were pretty
decent sounding, but very open to the outside) built into David Clark
ear protectors. They worked farily well for recording classical music
in a hall, jazz in a small club, or at an outdoor folk festival, but I
suspect that they wouldn't be adequately sealed for today's rock
concert levels. There's a commercial product available today that's
very similar, designed for drummers to wear. I don't remember the
name, nor have I ever heard them.



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I'm really Mike Rivers - )
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lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

I don't understand the question. If you're "tracking", you need closed back
isolating headphones to block noise and reduce bleed. If you're "mixing" with
phones, there shouldn't be any instruments playing live, just the recorded
sounds, so open back headphones should work fine, discounting the problem of
even trying to mix with headphones. What am I missing here?

Maybe he's recording a show with multiple mics and mixing it live to
stereo. Perhaps he's taking a split from the PA mics or console of a
live show.

You know they never tell the whole story the first time when asking
about something that never works very well anyway (which the original
poster has probably already discovered).


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lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
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Bob wrote:

After much research I am still not sure which headphones would be good
for mixing, that also block out background noise, for under 200$.

The *natural* solution for this problem would seem to be In-Ear-Monitors, or
IEMs. They fit in the ear and tend to block out outside noise sources.

I agree with Mike when he said that mixing on headphones is a learned art,
and perhaps one that can have a nasty learning curve. I think it depends a
lot on how much experience you have with critical listening to complex
musical sources with headphones. OTOH, I mix with headphones a great deal.
It's a matter of learning how what you hear with headphones translates into
what you hear with loudspeakers.

If you want to experiment with IEMs, there are some really pretty good IEMs
that are widely sold by Koss as "The Plug" for about $20. I found mine at
Circuit City. As you might expect, there's an ascending ladder of IEMs
prices going up to $500 or more. To some degree you get what you pay for. I
notice that Shure's E2C IEMs are on sale for $79.95. They are very
neutral-sounding. Etymotic are well-known for their quality IEMs,. but for
the money I vastly prefer Futuresonics which are also sold by Sennheiser.

I have heard of some DIY solutions for blocking noise, such as putting
noise-protection earmuffs onto my headphones, but I can't imagine this
gets good quality sound.

There is a vendor who modifies the well-known Sony 7506 audio production
monitoring headphones into a more noise-resistant package
www.remoteaudio.com/hn7506.htm A little out of your price range, but...

Arny Krueger wrote:

If you want to experiment with IEMs, there are some really pretty good IEMs
that are widely sold by Koss as "The Plug" for about $20. I found mine at
Circuit City. As you might expect, there's an ascending ladder of IEMs
prices going up to $500 or more. To some degree you get what you pay for. I
notice that Shure's E2C IEMs are on sale for $79.95. They are very
neutral-sounding. Etymotic are well-known for their quality IEMs,. but for
the money I vastly prefer Futuresonics which are also sold by Sennheiser.

The Sony EX71LP is also a pretty darned good IEM for the money.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Bob Cain wrote:

Arny Krueger wrote:

If you want to experiment with IEMs, there are some really pretty
good IEMs that are widely sold by Koss as "The Plug" for about $20.
I found mine at Circuit City. As you might expect, there's an
ascending ladder of IEMs prices going up to $500 or more. To some
degree you get what you pay for. I notice that Shure's E2C IEMs are
on sale for $79.95. They are very neutral-sounding. Etymotic are
well-known for their quality IEMs,. but for the money I vastly
prefer Futuresonics which are also sold by Sennheiser.

The Sony EX71LP is also a pretty darned good IEM for the money.

Agreed, IMO they are the MDR 7506s of IEMs. Lengthier review of a number of
a number of alternatives:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=6e...%40comcast.com

2cents:
I find headphones compress the sound, making it difficult to judge levels.
I tend to add far too much bass with a headset. Sounds get squished
together that you'll later find are well defined when played through a
speaker. I can waste a lot of time working on a non-problem.
For myself, regardless of the headphone, listening at the lowest possible
volume seems to give me a good indication of how it will sound out loud.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
Bob wrote:

After much research I am still not sure which headphones would be good
for mixing, that also block out background noise, for under 200$.

The *natural* solution for this problem would seem to be In-Ear-Monitors,
or
IEMs. They fit in the ear and tend to block out outside noise sources.

I agree with Mike when he said that mixing on headphones is a learned art,
and perhaps one that can have a nasty learning curve. I think it depends a
lot on how much experience you have with critical listening to complex
musical sources with headphones. OTOH, I mix with headphones a great deal.
It's a matter of learning how what you hear with headphones translates
into
what you hear with loudspeakers.

If you want to experiment with IEMs, there are some really pretty good
IEMs
that are widely sold by Koss as "The Plug" for about $20. I found mine at
Circuit City. As you might expect, there's an ascending ladder of IEMs
prices going up to $500 or more. To some degree you get what you pay for.
I
notice that Shure's E2C IEMs are on sale for $79.95. They are very
neutral-sounding. Etymotic are well-known for their quality IEMs,. but
for
the money I vastly prefer Futuresonics which are also sold by Sennheiser.

I have heard of some DIY solutions for blocking noise, such as putting
noise-protection earmuffs onto my headphones, but I can't imagine this
gets good quality sound.

There is a vendor who modifies the well-known Sony 7506 audio production
monitoring headphones into a more noise-resistant package
www.remoteaudio.com/hn7506.htm A little out of your price range, but...

Bob wrote:
After much research I am still not sure which headphones would be good
for mixing, that also block out background noise, for under 200$. I
have heard of some DIY solutions for blocking noise, such as putting
noise-protection earmuffs onto my headphones, but I can't imagine this
gets good quality sound. If anyone can recommend something, I would
appreciate it.

It's in the box with the frictionless bearings and resistanceless wire.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Harvey Gerst wrote:

I don't understand the question. If you're "tracking", you need
closed back isolating headphones to block noise and reduce bleed.
If you're "mixing" with phones, there shouldn't be any instruments
playing live, just the recorded sounds, so open back headphones
should work fine, discounting the problem of
even trying to mix with headphones. What am I missing here?

http://www.muyiovatki.dk/bhmweb/jpg/03-minimal.jpg ... i.e the concept
of headphones used for live location monitoring in the room the event
takes place in.

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

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* My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
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Bob wrote:

After much research I am still not sure which headphones would
be good for mixing, that also block out background noise,
for under 200$.

The big question here is "mixing what". It is kinda possible to balance
a pair of soloists mics with a main pair at a "non noisy" event, but it
is not possible to mix a lot of channels in headphones at a "noisy
event".

I have heard of some DIY solutions for blocking noise, such
as putting noise-protection earmuffs onto my headphones, but
I can't imagine this gets good quality sound. If anyone can
recommend something, I would appreciate it.

Etymotic - i.e. some version of "in ears", or wait for Sennheiser to
perhaps come up with the live location active noise canceling headphone
I have already publicly suggested they should come up with. They are
probably the ones that can get away with making such a thingy.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

--
*******************************************
* My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
*******************************************

Sennheiser HD 280 Pro. Read up.

Toby

"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
...
Bob wrote:

After much research I am still not sure which headphones would
be good for mixing, that also block out background noise,
for under 200$.

The big question here is "mixing what". It is kinda possible to balance
a pair of soloists mics with a main pair at a "non noisy" event, but it
is not possible to mix a lot of channels in headphones at a "noisy
event".

I have heard of some DIY solutions for blocking noise, such
as putting noise-protection earmuffs onto my headphones, but
I can't imagine this gets good quality sound. If anyone can
recommend something, I would appreciate it.

Etymotic - i.e. some version of "in ears", or wait for Sennheiser to
perhaps come up with the live location active noise canceling headphone
I have already publicly suggested they should come up with. They are
probably the ones that can get away with making such a thingy.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

--
*******************************************
* My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
*******************************************

Peter Larsen wrote:


Etymotic - i.e. some version of "in ears", or wait for Sennheiser to
perhaps come up with the live location active noise canceling
headphone I have already publicly suggested they should come up with.
They are probably the ones that can get away with making such a
thingy.

Sennheiser have in-ear monitors. I think the model number is IE3. They turn
out to be Futuresonics IEMs.

Peter Larsen wrote:

Harvey Gerst wrote:

I don't understand the question. If you're "tracking", you need
closed back isolating headphones to block noise and reduce bleed.
If you're "mixing" with phones, there shouldn't be any instruments
playing live, just the recorded sounds, so open back headphones
should work fine, discounting the problem of
even trying to mix with headphones. What am I missing here?

i.e the concept
of headphones used for live location monitoring in the room the event
takes place in.

Sorry, that's the price I pay for not getting out more.

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message news:zKKdnf-

If you want to experiment with IEMs, there are some really pretty good IEMs
that are widely sold by Koss as "The Plug" for about $20. I found mine at
Circuit City. As you might expect, there's an ascending ladder of IEMs
prices going up to $500 or more. To some degree you get what you pay for. I
notice that Shure's E2C IEMs are on sale for $79.95. They are very
neutral-sounding. Etymotic are well-known for their quality IEMs,. but for
the money I vastly prefer Futuresonics which are also sold by Sennheiser.

I got the Etymotic plugs and combined them with earmuffs like aircraft
flagmen use. With this combination. I can't understand and barely
can hear someone screaming in front of me. Excellent solation and
pretty cheap too.

IR

I highly recomment the Shure in ear ones for about $100.00. The
completely block everything for me. Don't get the $500 ones as they
don't work as well although they sound a lot better.

....Moose

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:25:43 -0500, Harvey Gerst
wrote:

Peter Larsen wrote:

Harvey Gerst wrote:

I don't understand the question. If you're "tracking", you need
closed back isolating headphones to block noise and reduce bleed.
If you're "mixing" with phones, there shouldn't be any instruments
playing live, just the recorded sounds, so open back headphones
should work fine, discounting the problem of
even trying to mix with headphones. What am I missing here?

i.e the concept
of headphones used for live location monitoring in the room the event
takes place in.

Sorry, that's the price I pay for not getting out more.

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/