I am looking at the Denon AVR-2805 or 3805 as well as the Rotel RSX-1067.

I like the calibration microphone that comes with the 2805; it's extra on the more expensive 3805. The 3805 also has a strange remote. I am using a Universal MX-500 to control everything, so that may be a secondary concern.

The Rotel is more than 2x the cost with specifications that seem to exactly match the Denon 2805. Is there a rationale for spending the extra money for the Rotel?

Thanks for your help.

- Russ in SB

"rll" wrote in message
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I am looking at the Denon AVR-2805 or 3805 as well as the Rotel
RSX-1067.

I like the calibration microphone that comes with the 2805; it's extra
on the more expensive 3805. The 3805 also has a strange remote. I am
using a Universal MX-500 to control everything, so that may be a
secondary concern.

The Rotel is more than 2x the cost with specifications that seem to
exactly match the Denon 2805. Is there a rationale for spending the
extra money for the Rotel?

Not unless you're predisposed to feel that price is a good guide to
quality, and that Rotel is a quality name in audiophile circles.

Merry Xmas,

Norm Strong

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
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Uncle Troll said:

The Rotel is more than 2x the cost with specifications that seem to
exactly match the Denon 2805. Is there a rationale for spending the
extra money for the Rotel?

God forbid anybody would actually audition the two pieces and *then* form
an opinion. Price may be the only factor for a flatland geek like you, but
regular people put a bit more effort into such a decision.

Where does it say don't auditon?

Another factor against the Rotel is they use non-standard parts whcih aren't
always readily available. I'm not oppsed to Rotel, in fact I find their
stuff is pretty damn good, but so ins Denon and so is Yamaha.

Not unless you're predisposed to feel that price is a good guide to
quality, and that Rotel is a quality name in audiophile circles.

But audiophile circles include things that are known to have no value or
inflated value, so they aren't particularly reliable.

Do you ever take a break from your stupid trolling, Normy?


Do you ever take a break from criticizing everybody who gives decent advice?

"Michael McKelvy" said:

Another factor against the Rotel is they use non-standard parts whcih aren't
always readily available. I'm not oppsed to Rotel, in fact I find their
stuff is pretty damn good, but so ins Denon and so is Yamaha.

I don't know about the most recent Rotels, but the older models surely
used "standard" Japanese transistors and other parts.

In fact, I found it is easier to get replacement parts for Rotels "off
the shelf" than for say Yamahas.

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

Mr. Middius said:

Uncle Troll said:

The Rotel is more than 2x the cost with specifications that seem to
exactly match the Denon 2805. Is there a rationale for spending the
extra money for the Rotel?

God forbid anybody would actually audition the two pieces and *then* form
an opinion. Price may be the only factor for a flatland geek like you, but
regular people put a bit more effort into such a decision.

Not unless you're predisposed to feel that price is a good guide to
quality, and that Rotel is a quality name in audiophile circles.

Do you ever take a break from your stupid trolling, Normy?

I think this is the first time I've ever heard someone imply that Rotel is an
overpriced item catering to the tastes of audiophiles.

Boon

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

Mr. Middius said:

Uncle Troll said:

The Rotel is more than 2x the cost with specifications that seem to
exactly match the Denon 2805. Is there a rationale for spending the
extra money for the Rotel?

God forbid anybody would actually audition the two pieces and *then*
form an opinion. Price may be the only factor for a flatland geek
like you, but regular people put a bit more effort into such a
decision.

Not unless you're predisposed to feel that price is a good guide to
quality, and that Rotel is a quality name in audiophile circles.

Do you ever take a break from your stupid trolling, Normy?

I think this is the first time I've ever heard someone imply that
Rotel is an overpriced item catering to the tastes of audiophiles.

Normy had to really spell it out for you before you got it, eh Phillips?

Arny said:

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

Mr. Middius said:

Uncle Troll said:

The Rotel is more than 2x the cost with specifications that seem to
exactly match the Denon 2805. Is there a rationale for spending the
extra money for the Rotel?

God forbid anybody would actually audition the two pieces and *then*
form an opinion. Price may be the only factor for a flatland geek
like you, but regular people put a bit more effort into such a
decision.

Not unless you're predisposed to feel that price is a good guide to
quality, and that Rotel is a quality name in audiophile circles.

Do you ever take a break from your stupid trolling, Normy?

I think this is the first time I've ever heard someone imply that
Rotel is an overpriced item catering to the tastes of audiophiles.

Normy had to really spell it out for you before you got it, eh Phillips?

Spell what out for me?

Boon

"George M. Middius" wrote in message

Marc Phillips said:

Not unless you're predisposed to feel that price is a good guide to
quality, and that Rotel is a quality name in audiophile circles.

Do you ever take a break from your stupid trolling, Normy?

I think this is the first time I've ever heard someone imply that Rotel
is an
overpriced item catering to the tastes of audiophiles.

For Normy, a trip to K-Mart is a dip in the deep end of luxury.

Perhaps he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Unlike you.

"George M. Middius" wrote in message

Schizoid Man said:

Not unless you're predisposed to feel that price is a good guide
to
quality, and that Rotel is a quality name in audiophile circles.

Do you ever take a break from your stupid trolling, Normy?

I think this is the first time I've ever heard someone imply that
Rotel is an
overpriced item catering to the tastes of audiophiles.

For Normy, a trip to K-Mart is a dip in the deep end of luxury.

Perhaps he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Unlike you.

Back in reality, it's more likely he chose to disdain materialism because
he was unable to appreciate quality of workmanship, material, and design.
Like you.

I never knew Cambridge Audio, Rotel, Adcom and JMLab came under the auspices
of bad workmanship, material and design. Did you?

I would hold off on the cal mic until they come out with the
quintinaural head representing the listener with 5.1 ears.

I am told that human females in effect have 2.1 ears. This recent
discovery wasprompted by watching a girl bass player sitting on a 4x10
bass cab with her bass and plucking the strings until arriving at a
just right note, whereupon she started stroking the string in a
steadily increasing rhythm until she got a really glazed look on her
face and she started rocking back and forth....She then put the bass
down and lit a cigarette.

"George M. Middius" wrote in message

I'm sorry, but your credibility has dropped to zero.

And why is that? Because I dare to question the efficacy of the Shakti
stones?

"George M. Middius" wrote in message

Schizoid Man said:

I'm sorry, but your credibility has dropped to zero.

And why is that? Because I dare to question the efficacy of the Shakti
stones?

Har. Good one.

Do you really need me to explain it to you? I will if you want. Just ask.

Yes, Middius. Please do explain.

From: "Schizoid Man"
Date: 12/17/2004 4:36 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"George M. Middius" wrote in message

Schizoid Man said:

Not unless you're predisposed to feel that price is a good guide
to
quality, and that Rotel is a quality name in audiophile circles.

Do you ever take a break from your stupid trolling, Normy?

I think this is the first time I've ever heard someone imply that
Rotel is an
overpriced item catering to the tastes of audiophiles.

For Normy, a trip to K-Mart is a dip in the deep end of luxury.

Perhaps he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Unlike you.

Back in reality, it's more likely he chose to disdain materialism because
he was unable to appreciate quality of workmanship, material, and design.
Like you.

I never knew Cambridge Audio, Rotel, Adcom and JMLab came under the auspices
of bad workmanship, material and design. Did you?



I have heard stories from dealers that carry Adcom and Rotel.

"George M. Middius" wrote in message

Schizoid Man said:

I'm sorry, but your credibility has dropped to zero.

And why is that? Because I dare to question the efficacy of the
Shakti
stones?

Har. Good one.
Do you really need me to explain it to you? I will if you want. Just
ask.

Yes, Middius. Please do explain.

OK, here it is. It's a one-two-three combination. One:

For Normy, a trip to K-Mart is a dip in the deep end of luxury.

Perhaps he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Unlike you.

You made up that "silver spoon" nonsense out of thin air. Not only did it
fail as a joke, but there was no apparent humor in any case.

True. It did come out of thin air. I don't even know what Norman's audio
proclivities are. I suppose out of all the numerous people on this forum,
only you have the ability to wedge your tongue in your cheek.

Two:

Back in reality, it's more likely he chose to disdain materialism
because he was unable to appreciate quality of workmanship,
material, and design. Like you.

I never knew Cambridge Audio, Rotel, Adcom and JMLab came under the
auspices of bad workmanship, material and design. Did you?

My comment was based in reality -- that's my true appraisal of Normy and
his utterly lame approach to audio. Your response was random and
nonsensical.

Let me explain. I have a Cambridge Audio CD, a Rotel preamplifier, an Adcom
amp and JMLab speakers. It was a simple retort to your charge that I have no
appreciation for "quality of workmanship, material, and design".

Three:

He probably took you for an idiot and wanted to see you drool in
public.

May be you've confused me with someone else, Middius. Like yourself.

A feeble IKYABWAI puts you squarely on the same level as Krooger.

You really do need to translate that into English for me. I am not
predisposed to spending 10 hours a day on this forum and therefore my
acronym deciphering ability is a tad bit rusty.

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message
...
Mr. Middius said:

Uncle Troll said:

The Rotel is more than 2x the cost with specifications that seem
to
exactly match the Denon 2805. Is there a rationale for spending
the
extra money for the Rotel?

God forbid anybody would actually audition the two pieces and
*then* form
an opinion. Price may be the only factor for a flatland geek like
you, but
regular people put a bit more effort into such a decision.

(NS) Not unless you're predisposed to feel that price is a good
guide to
quality, and that Rotel is a quality name in audiophile circles.

Do you ever take a break from your stupid trolling, Normy?

I think this is the first time I've ever heard someone imply that
Rotel is an
overpriced item catering to the tastes of audiophiles.

For the sake of accuracy, I'd like point out that I never suggested
that Rotel goods are overpriced. Of all the comments above, the only
one I made is the one marked with (NS), which was my attempt to
provide the "rationale" sought by the OP.

Rephrasing: If you believe that "you get what you pay for," and you
think that audiophiles have a higher opinion of Rotel gear than Denon,
then you have a good reason to buy the Rotel.

Merry Xmas,

Norm Strong

Norm Strong said:

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message
...
Mr. Middius said:

Uncle Troll said:

The Rotel is more than 2x the cost with specifications that seem
to
exactly match the Denon 2805. Is there a rationale for spending
the
extra money for the Rotel?

God forbid anybody would actually audition the two pieces and
*then* form
an opinion. Price may be the only factor for a flatland geek like
you, but
regular people put a bit more effort into such a decision.

(NS) Not unless you're predisposed to feel that price is a good
guide to
quality, and that Rotel is a quality name in audiophile circles.

Do you ever take a break from your stupid trolling, Normy?

I think this is the first time I've ever heard someone imply that
Rotel is an
overpriced item catering to the tastes of audiophiles.

For the sake of accuracy, I'd like point out that I never suggested
that Rotel goods are overpriced. Of all the comments above, the only
one I made is the one marked with (NS), which was my attempt to
provide the "rationale" sought by the OP.

Rephrasing: If you believe that "you get what you pay for," and you
think that audiophiles have a higher opinion of Rotel gear than Denon,
then you have a good reason to buy the Rotel.

I don't necessarily think that's true. In "high-end circles," both Rotel and
Denon are receiving acclaim in the high-end journals. Rotel, for instance, has
a relatively low-priced CD player, the RCD-1072, being favorably compared to
players three or four times the price. Denon, at the same time, has been
releasing universal players that have been considered the best for the money.
Also, Denon makes a phono cartridge, the 103, that has a huge cult following,
even though it's just a couple of hundred bucks.

I think Rotel and Denon are equally respected right now. The only reason I'd
pick Rotel over Denon is because I've owned many Rotel pieces in the past, and
I like and trust their products.

Boon

"George M. Middius" wrote in message

So you admit you were trying to be funny, or sarcastic, or ironic, or
something? And you failed completely.

I guess not everybody is born to be Eddie Izzard. Apart from you, of course.

Consider the possibility that even though you don't know anything about
Normy's "audio proclivities", not everybody is equally ignorant.
I was talking about Normy, not you. That's why I said "he" and not "you".

Thank you for that clarification.

A feeble IKYABWAI puts you squarely on the same level as Krooger.

You really do need to translate that into English for me. I am not
predisposed to spending 10 hours a day on this forum and therefore my
acronym deciphering ability is a tad bit rusty.

So you concede your stupidity on all three charges. Thanks for playing.

I am not entirely certain I understand the context. Please do elaborate.