people, just face it already, solid state will NEVER sound as good as
tubes, not even close, nor will NFB designs EVER sound as good as those with
NONE.

please give up!

PS - here is an amazing testament, my friend Paul was having problems, all
his favorite music was giving him headaches over the last year, when played
with any decent volume at all, on an expensive solid state audiophile
amplifier as well
as on every other device in his house. And his ears would ring for days
after listening to it, and the headaches would persist.

So I gave him a Dynaco ST-70 to use and the headaches and ringing
disappeared for good!

Now just imagine if I gave him a DHTSE amp with no NFB? he would
probably become obsessed and be out on the street, having spent the family's
food and rent on some 110 db exponential horns.

Let's stop all the engineering BS and just face the facts, the greatest amps
in the world, with price as no object, are less than 3 watts maximum output,
and schematics of the best amps on the earth can be found at vt52.com

here is what you engineers need to learn, if you ever want to experience the
ultimate sound in audio

1. the best sound is in the first watt, it's all downhill from there

2. most all of the best sounding tubes were designed before 1930

3. all of your engineering numbers, and THD measurements,etc. cannot fool
the human ear, it is like telling someone that sex with a beautiful woman
does not feel good, because your measurements and analysis and oscilloscopes
show that it should be better with a big lard-ass fat chick. Sorry, our
senses tell us different.

please STOP THE INSANITY

"cowboy" cacheoverflow@yahooDOTcom wrote in message

PS - here is an amazing testament, my friend Paul was having problems, all
his favorite music was giving him headaches over the last year, when
played
with any decent volume at all, on an expensive solid state audiophile
amplifier as well
as on every other device in his house. And his ears would ring for days
after listening to it, and the headaches would persist.

So I gave him a Dynaco ST-70 to use and the headaches and ringing
disappeared for good!

Does it get rid of sinus headaches as well? Would you recommend it over
Sudafed? Could I possibly borrow it too?

cowboy wrote:

people, just face it already, solid state will NEVER sound as good as
tubes, not even close, nor will NFB designs EVER sound as good as those with
NONE.

Ahhhh ! A troll ! Byeeeee.... :-)


Graham

"cowboy" cacheoverflow@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
...
people, just face it already, solid state will NEVER sound as good as
tubes, not even close, nor will NFB designs EVER sound as good as those
with
NONE.

In your opinion.

please give up!


Why, so we can suffer with lower fidelity, and higher distortion?

PS - here is an amazing testament, my friend Paul was having problems, all
his favorite music was giving him headaches over the last year, when
played
with any decent volume at all, on an expensive solid state audiophile
amplifier as well
as on every other device in his house. And his ears would ring for days
after listening to it, and the headaches would persist.

So I gave him a Dynaco ST-70 to use and the headaches and ringing
disappeared for good!


That's such a cute anecdote.

Now just imagine if I gave him a DHTSE amp with no NFB?

You can't since there's no such thing. as has been pointed out elsewhere,
Tubes are have internal NFB.

he would
probably become obsessed and be out on the street, having spent the
family's
food and rent on some 110 db exponential horns.


His problem was probably bad speakers to begin with.

Let's stop all the engineering BS and just face the facts, the greatest
amps
in the world, with price as no object, are less than 3 watts maximum
output,
and schematics of the best amps on the earth can be found at vt52.com

here is what you engineers need to learn, if you ever want to experience
the
ultimate sound in audio

1. the best sound is in the first watt, it's all downhill from there

Bull****.

2. most all of the best sounding tubes were designed before 1930

So, you like antiques.

3. all of your engineering numbers, and THD measurements,etc. cannot fool
the human ear, it is like telling someone that sex with a beautiful woman
does not feel good, because your measurements and analysis and
oscilloscopes
show that it should be better with a big lard-ass fat chick. Sorry, our
senses tell us different.

Because yoou like lower-fi to play badly recorded music through probably bad
speakers or speakers set up improperly, you want everybody else to suffer.
Got it.

please STOP THE INSANITY


You first.

Michael McKelvy wrote:

"cowboy" cacheoverflow@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
...
people, just face it already, solid state will NEVER sound as good as
tubes, not even close, nor will NFB designs EVER sound as good as those
with
NONE.

In your opinion.

please give up!

Why, so we can suffer with lower fidelity, and higher distortion?

I expect he liked the sound of his Dad's radiogram !


Graham

Schizoid Man wrote:
Pooh Bear wrote:
Michael McKelvy wrote:

snip ...a lot of crap and folks in denial


keep talking, so far we have identified three idiots!

"cowboy" cacheoverflow@yahooDOTcom said:

people, just face it already, solid state will NEVER sound as good as
tubes, not even close, nor will NFB designs EVER sound as good as those with
NONE.

As nonsensical as saying that only SS makes for a good audio
amplifier.

There are benefits to both technologies.

Hey, I have hybrid amps - the best of both worlds :-)

BTW which form of NFB are you talking about?
A cathode or emitter resistor *is* NFB, just local.

An UL output tap on your tube amp is NFB, just local.

A triode is a NFB device, it's just 'local".

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

"cowboy" cacheoverflow@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
...
as on every other device in his house. And his ears would ring for days
after listening to it, and the headaches would persist.

So I gave him a Dynaco ST-70 to use and the headaches and ringing
disappeared for good!

Ringing in the ears huh? Yeah, sounds like quite the "audiophile" SS amp!

"cowboy" cacheoverflow@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
...
Schizoid Man wrote:
Pooh Bear wrote:
Michael McKelvy wrote:

snip ...a lot of crap and folks in denial


keep talking, so far we have identified three idiots!

There's a good little troll.

If you want no highs, no lows, no dynamic range, no articulation and no
headroom then the first watt is all that matters. All the watts are
important. In the real world you buy enough for 99% of the time and
rely on the soft clipping of transformer coupled tube amps or the
toughness of pro tweeter elements or get a peak limiter or replace
cheap tweeters every once in a while....those are your options. Power
Goose, for you McWhores, is a peak limiter......

All amplifiers use negative feedback in some form, intentional or not.
If perfect components existed all amplifiers, without large NFB, would
be oscillators-and paradoxically oscillators would not start
themselves.

Most importantly, sex with today's fashion models and 'actresses'
could not possibly be as good as with the average
twenty-pound-overweight waitress, as they are anorexic and gristly. You
have to go back to Marilyn, Jayne and so forth to find actual female
bodies on popular 'female' talent. If you want to pork a hardbody, you
are probably actually after Dick Butkus. I think this is more common
than generally admitted, and explains the success of Renee Zellweger,
who is a puberty-inhibited boy from the navel up.