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SNL?
"S888Wheel" wrote in message ... I think they simply do what they can. For many of them this precludes singing live. So, we are paying to see them prance across the stage. |
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In article . net,
"Michael McKelvy" wrote: The performance requirements appear to be very heavy and cause strain, so I wouldn't be surprised to learn that many performers save where they can. Where they can? If that means coasting for unimportant performances or unfriendly venues in order to be energetic and in good voice for important events, maybe. But blowing off SNL for the RMA? SNL is a once-in-a-lifetime kind of gig, not a warm-up date or an out-of-town tryout. I think they simply do what they can. For many of them this precludes singing live. Still I think it is likely that many performers give themselves a break to avoid strain. Particularly those whose voices are weak at best. She's not the only one doing it. |
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"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message link.net...
"Roger McDodger" wrote in message ... "S888Wheel" emitted : (snip) The clip I saw shows pretty clearly that the band was playing. One fan site says she was saving her voice for a concert on Monday. I didn't see SNL, but I'm surprised they ran anything where the singer botched things. The show's not actually live; it's taped earlier in the evening, unless things have changed over the years. I'd think they'd edit out an obvious mistake or do another take. I suspect that for many of the most popular singers lip-sync has become more common than we might suspect. The performance requirements appear to be very heavy and cause strain, so I wouldn't be surprised to learn that many performers save where they can. I've read that also, or that there will be some lip-synching during a show just so the singer can catch his/her breath occasionally. Part of the problem is that many singers now try to put on massive, spectacular shows with dancing and choreography, and it's hard to keep up with all that stuff and sing perfectly at the same time. (I don't know about Madonna, but in the past her shows included singing, dancing, costume changes, etc. and she might want or need to give her voice a rest sometimes during a show.) And the singers want to do something spectacular so that the performance is more like a music video, and at current ticket prices, audiences deserve and expect a big show. |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ...
"S888Wheel" wrote in message ... I think they simply do what they can. For many of them this precludes singing live. So, we are paying to see them prance across the stage. People pay to see a show, and that's what they get. And these days, prancing is a lot of it, and I think entertainers feel pressured to do spectacular stuff, like in music videos. Does this compromise the singing and/or perhaps lead to some lip-synching? Probably. |
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"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message link.net...
"S888Wheel" wrote in message ... From: "Michael McKelvy" Date: 10/24/2004 6:17 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: . net "Roger McDodger" wrote in message . .. "S888Wheel" emitted : (snip) One fan site says she was saving her voice for a concert on Monday. Fans tend to be apologists. Naturally, but I like to be fair and present another side. Understood. I suspect that for many of the most popular singers lip-sync has become more common than we might suspect. That depends on how much you suspect. I suspect plenty with the current crop of pop singers. Back in the 1960's, on TV lip-synching was extremely common. As you can imagine, it was obvious. But the audience got to hear the songs and see the singer, so it did meet some of the requirements that most people have, but not in an ideal way. The performance requirements appear to be very heavy and cause strain, so I wouldn't be surprised to learn that many performers save where they can. I think they simply do what they can. For many of them this precludes singing live. Still I think it is likely that many performers give themselves a break to avoid strain. Particularly those whose voices are weak at best. Agree. And I keep in mind that these people aren't just singers, they're putting on shows, and it may not always be possible to put on a big show as spectacular as a music video and sing all the time too. IOW, singing is just part of what popular singers do, and they may know how much real singing is necessary to get through the sort of concerts they present, while meeting audience needs and expectations. That might not suit us, but it may work fine for these sort of singers' audience. |
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Alex Rodriguez wrote in message ...
In article , lid says... In article , MINe 109 writes: (snip) Why does SNL let singers lip sync? I rarely see SNL and am surprised anyone would lip synch there. When the show started in the 1970's, one of the exciting things about it was that musicians always played live, if not always too well. (Well, not exactly live; I think the show is taped earlier in the evening.) If we really wanted to hear her lip sync we could easily buy her CD. Everytime I see someone lip syncing I wonder if they have any singing ability. Exactly. Milli Vanilli never lived down their lip-synching fiasco, which made things even harder when they decided they really should be doing their own singing. (snip) |
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On 25 Oct 2004 14:30:04 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:
From: (N) Date: 10/25/2004 7:10 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message thlink.net... "Roger McDodger" wrote in message ... "S888Wheel" emitted : (snip) The clip I saw shows pretty clearly that the band was playing. One fan site says she was saving her voice for a concert on Monday. I didn't see SNL, but I'm surprised they ran anything where the singer botched things. The show's not actually live; it's taped earlier in the evening, unless things have changed over the years. It is live on the East Coast. Always has been. Except when Andrew Dice Clay was host over a decade ago. |
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From: (N)
Date: 10/25/2004 7:38 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Alex Rodriguez wrote in message . .. In article , lid says... In article , MINe 109 writes: (snip) Why does SNL let singers lip sync? I rarely see SNL and am surprised anyone would lip synch there. When the show started in the 1970's, one of the exciting things about it was that musicians always played live, if not always too well. (Well, not exactly live; I think the show is taped earlier in the evening.) No, it was and still is live to the east coast. If we really wanted to hear her lip sync we could easily buy her CD. Everytime I see someone lip syncing I wonder if they have any singing ability. Exactly. Milli Vanilli never lived down their lip-synching fiasco, which made things even harder when they decided they really should be doing their own singing. Milli Vanilli is a whole different ball game. They never sang the material. |
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Dave Weil wrote:
On 25 Oct 2004 14:30:04 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote: From: (N) Date: 10/25/2004 7:10 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message rthlink.net... "Roger McDodger" wrote in message ... "S888Wheel" emitted : (snip) The clip I saw shows pretty clearly that the band was playing. One fan site says she was saving her voice for a concert on Monday. I didn't see SNL, but I'm surprised they ran anything where the singer botched things. The show's not actually live; it's taped earlier in the evening, unless things have changed over the years. It is live on the East Coast. Always has been. Except when Andrew Dice Clay was host over a decade ago. You mean somebody objected to nursery rhymes? There used to be more respect for Mother Goose !  Bruce J. Richman |
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"MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article . net, "Michael McKelvy" wrote: The performance requirements appear to be very heavy and cause strain, so I wouldn't be surprised to learn that many performers save where they can. Where they can? If that means coasting for unimportant performances or unfriendly venues in order to be energetic and in good voice for important events, maybe. But blowing off SNL for the RMA? SNL is a once-in-a-lifetime kind of gig, not a warm-up date or an out-of-town tryout. AFAIK SNL is not a make or break performance. I;ve enver been impressed by any of the performances I've seen there. Usually the sound is ****ing awful and the performers are coasting. There have been some exceptions, but generally, no big deal. I think they simply do what they can. For many of them this precludes singing live. Still I think it is likely that many performers give themselves a break to avoid strain. Particularly those whose voices are weak at best. She's not the only one doing it. I don't doubt it. Most pop singers probably have not been trained how to sing anyway. I'd rather have someone cancel rather than fake it. |
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"N" wrote in message om... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message link.net... "S888Wheel" wrote in message ... From: "Michael McKelvy" Date: 10/24/2004 6:17 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: . net "Roger McDodger" wrote in message . .. "S888Wheel" emitted : (snip) One fan site says she was saving her voice for a concert on Monday. Fans tend to be apologists. Naturally, but I like to be fair and present another side. Understood. I suspect that for many of the most popular singers lip-sync has become more common than we might suspect. That depends on how much you suspect. I suspect plenty with the current crop of pop singers. Back in the 1960's, on TV lip-synching was extremely common. As you can imagine, it was obvious. But the audience got to hear the songs and see the singer, so it did meet some of the requirements that most people have, but not in an ideal way. IIRC performers on American Bandstand were given a choice of live perfomance or lip-synch. Yes it was always glaringly obvious. The performance requirements appear to be very heavy and cause strain, so I wouldn't be surprised to learn that many performers save where they can. I think they simply do what they can. For many of them this precludes singing live. Still I think it is likely that many performers give themselves a break to avoid strain. Particularly those whose voices are weak at best. Agree. And I keep in mind that these people aren't just singers, they're putting on shows, and it may not always be possible to put on a big show as spectacular as a music video and sing all the time too. IOW, singing is just part of what popular singers do, and they may know how much real singing is necessary to get through the sort of concerts they present, while meeting audience needs and expectations. When I go to a concert, it's to hear the music, a big show is gravy. I wish I'd gotten to see Pink Floyd live, but I can take some solace in haveing seen the Beatles live, although there wasn't much tohear over the screams. That might not suit us, but it may work fine for these sort of singers' audience. 12-15 year olds. |
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(S888Wheel) wrote in message ...
From: (N) Date: 10/25/2004 7:23 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "S888Wheel" wrote in message ... I think they simply do what they can. For many of them this precludes singing live. So, we are paying to see them prance across the stage. People pay to see a show, and that's what they get. And these days, prancing is a lot of it, and I think entertainers feel pressured to do spectacular stuff, like in music videos. Does this compromise the singing and/or perhaps lead to some lip-synching? Probably. OTOH there are some people who actually can sing and dance live. Wonder of wonders. Agree, and the ticket prices are a lot lower for a musical at a local amateur theater than for the latest teenybopper star. And every now and then, I see a Broadway show or a touring company, where being able to sing, dance, entertain, make costume changes, etc. well are just the minimum for almost anybody onstage. Some years ago, I remember a few people being bothered by singers in musicals using discreetly-placed microphones. At least those singers were using microphones to sing, not as props while lip-synching. Speaking of concerts and big-name entertainers, I saw Prince do a fantastic show this year, dancing, joking, singing, playing several instruments, etc. Don't think he was lip synching anything, but he's Prince and he can probably do more in his sleep than most popular entertainers can when they're awake. Just awesome. |
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In article . net,
"Michael McKelvy" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article . net, "Michael McKelvy" wrote: The performance requirements appear to be very heavy and cause strain, so I wouldn't be surprised to learn that many performers save where they can. Where they can? If that means coasting for unimportant performances or unfriendly venues in order to be energetic and in good voice for important events, maybe. But blowing off SNL for the RMA? SNL is a once-in-a-lifetime kind of gig, not a warm-up date or an out-of-town tryout. AFAIK SNL is not a make or break performance. I;ve enver been impressed by any of the performances I've seen there. Usually the sound is ****ing awful and the performers are coasting. There have been some exceptions, but generally, no big deal. Sigh. Live music on tv used to be a big deal... I think they simply do what they can. For many of them this precludes singing live. Still I think it is likely that many performers give themselves a break to avoid strain. Particularly those whose voices are weak at best. She's not the only one doing it. I don't doubt it. Most pop singers probably have not been trained how to sing anyway. I'd rather have someone cancel rather than fake it. True enough that pop singers are untrained. |
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"MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article . net, "Michael McKelvy" wrote: The performance requirements appear to be very heavy and cause strain, so I wouldn't be surprised to learn that many performers save where they can. Where they can? If that means coasting for unimportant performances or unfriendly venues in order to be energetic and in good voice for important events, maybe. But blowing off SNL for the RMA? SNL is a once-in-a-lifetime kind of gig, not a warm-up date or an out-of-town tryout. Having seen part of the RMA last night, it's easy to see why someone with a weak voice would be saving it for that show. Much bigger live audience, mostly of peers, much bigger home audience in prime time. |
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"Alex Rodriguez" wrote in message ... In article . net, says... "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article . net, "Michael McKelvy" wrote: The performance requirements appear to be very heavy and cause strain, so I wouldn't be surprised to learn that many performers save where they can. Where they can? If that means coasting for unimportant performances or unfriendly venues in order to be energetic and in good voice for important events, maybe. But blowing off SNL for the RMA? SNL is a once-in-a-lifetime kind of gig, not a warm-up date or an out-of-town tryout. AFAIK SNL is not a make or break performance. It can be. She seemed to come out of it OK with the RMA performance. I;ve enver been impressed by any of the performances I've seen there. Usually the sound is ****ing awful and the performers are coasting. There have been some exceptions, but generally, no big deal. You can tell who has singing talent and who hasn't. Not if their voice is strained, which can happen even to very talented singers. I don't doubt it. Most pop singers probably have not been trained how to sing anyway. I'd rather have someone cancel rather than fake it. Some can sing, others are just riding their looks and managing agents talents. I would feel cheated if I paid big bucks to see a performer and they just lip synced through the show. I would to, but that doesn't apply to SNL or the RMA. ------------- Alex |
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"MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article . net, "Michael McKelvy" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article . net, "Michael McKelvy" wrote: The performance requirements appear to be very heavy and cause strain, so I wouldn't be surprised to learn that many performers save where they can. Where they can? If that means coasting for unimportant performances or unfriendly venues in order to be energetic and in good voice for important events, maybe. But blowing off SNL for the RMA? SNL is a once-in-a-lifetime kind of gig, not a warm-up date or an out-of-town tryout. AFAIK SNL is not a make or break performance. I;ve enver been impressed by any of the performances I've seen there. Usually the sound is ****ing awful and the performers are coasting. There have been some exceptions, but generally, no big deal. Sigh. Live music on tv used to be a big deal... It still is to me, but I just tune out when they can't get the sound right, unless there's something especially compelling about the performer or the performance. I think they simply do what they can. For many of them this precludes singing live. Still I think it is likely that many performers give themselves a break to avoid strain. Particularly those whose voices are weak at best. She's not the only one doing it. I don't doubt it. Most pop singers probably have not been trained how to sing anyway. I'd rather have someone cancel rather than fake it. True enough that pop singers are untrained. |
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