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Howard Tests a 3000 dollar amp
Howard is gonna test a $3000 amp. He said that about 10 times now...
But since he already knows it sounds just like a Pioneer receiver, he has a different approach. He's gonna strap it to the bumper of his '87 ford van and crash test it into a brick wall. I bet it gets a 5 star crash worthiness rating... Of course he has to lift it out of the box first, so it may take several viagra doses... But you can get it cheap on line howie Carl |
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"Carl Valle" wrote in message
Howard is gonna test a $3000 amp. He said that about 10 times now... But since he already knows it sounds just like a Pioneer receiver, he has a different approach. He's gonna strap it to the bumper of his '87 ford van and crash test it into a brick wall. I bet it gets a 5 star crash worthiness rating... Of course he has to lift it out of the box first, so it may take several viagra doses... But you can get it cheap on line howie Valle, are you naturally this much of a jerk, or do you take lessons? Please advise. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Carl Valle" wrote in message Howard is gonna test a $3000 amp. He said that about 10 times now... But since he already knows it sounds just like a Pioneer receiver, he has a different approach. He's gonna strap it to the bumper of his '87 ford van and crash test it into a brick wall. I bet it gets a 5 star crash worthiness rating... Of course he has to lift it out of the box first, so it may take several viagra doses... But you can get it cheap on line howie Valle, are you naturally this much of a jerk, or do you take lessons? Please advise. I would try to learn from you arnii but I can't stand your superior attitude and lack of imagination enough to get past reading your posts very much thank you GFYBHAWATTSS |
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"Carl Valle" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Carl Valle" wrote in message Howard is gonna test a $3000 amp. He said that about 10 times now... But since he already knows it sounds just like a Pioneer receiver, he has a different approach. He's gonna strap it to the bumper of his '87 ford van and crash test it into a brick wall. I bet it gets a 5 star crash worthiness rating... Of course he has to lift it out of the box first, so it may take several viagra doses... But you can get it cheap on line howie Valle, are you naturally this much of a jerk, or do you take lessons? Please advise. I would try to learn from you arnii but I can't stand your superior attitude and lack of imagination enough to get past reading your posts very much thank you GFYBHAWATTSS To which Arny replies, "BTDT". |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 02:51:06 -0400, "Robert Morein"
wrote: I would try to learn from you arnii but I can't stand your superior attitude and lack of imagination enough to get past reading your posts very much thank you GFYBHAWATTSS To which Arny replies, "BTDT". Isn't that something you spray on insects? |
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Carl Valle wrote:
Howard is gonna test a $3000 amp. He said that about 10 times now... But since he already knows it sounds just like a Pioneer receiver, he has a different approach. Not really. I did very carefully level match the unit against a Yamaha integrated amp. Using pink noise, you can get the levels close enough where the four signals (one in each channel with each amp) sounded the same. And I mean really the same, which shows that the frequency response of each amp was subjectively identical. The levels were then matched closely enough to go on and do some AB comparing with music. The result, well, the two amps sounded the same (surprise, surprise), even when I adjusted levels so that both were occasionally bumping up against their power limits with some material. (Both amps had roughly equal max power capabilities into the Dunlavy Cantata speakers.) For really critical work, I used music with very deep bass content (Mendelssohn Organ Works, on the Argo label) as well as music with a very clean midrange and wonderful soundstaging (from a two-disc Corelli Concerti Grossi set, on the Opus 111 label). While some of you golden ears might have been able to hear differences (yeah, sure), I think that no person who had lived far enough into middle age to afford such an amp would be able to. My conclusion, those of you who have spent big bucks on power amps because you thought they sounded better were duped. However, we do have to admit that there is something about a Rolex that makes it seem better than a Timex, even if both tell time equally well. And a Lexus 300 may have something over a Toyota Camry that cannot be easily quantified, even though the latter vehicle is functionally as good as the former. So, while I am still an "amps is amps" kind of guy (at least if we are not talking about goofball amps that sound worse than neutral), I will admit that there is a certain something about a really well built upscale unit. (This unit was not better built than the best of the other amps I have fooled with, but it was still quite nice.) If you can afford it, I suppose getting something like that is OK. But if you have to stretch your budget you are an idiot. Note that I intend to do some additional comparing, just in case. However, so far I have not heard differences between any decent amp and any other decent amp, so I am not expecting much. Howard Ferstler |
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:33:34 -0400, Howard Ferstler
wrote: Note that I intend to do some additional comparing, just in case. However, so far I have not heard differences between any decent amp and any other decent amp, so I am not expecting much. Howard Ferstler Howard, I've had many amps in my dubious hi-fi career, and while it's true many sound the same, others do not. Recently I bought an old Luxman L200 off Ebay and it has a warmth and sweetness I've not heard from any other amp, and which is definitely not imaginary as it took me quite by surprise. I wonder if you have any explanation for that. |
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"paul packer" wrote in message
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:33:34 -0400, Howard Ferstler wrote: Note that I intend to do some additional comparing, just in case. However, so far I have not heard differences between any decent amp and any other decent amp, so I am not expecting much. Howard Ferstler Howard, I've had many amps in my dubious hi-fi career, and while it's true many sound the same, others do not. Recently I bought an old Luxman L200 off Ebay and it has a warmth and sweetness I've not heard from any other amp, and which is definitely not imaginary as it took me quite by surprise. I wonder if you have any explanation for that. (1) It was a sighted evaluation, right? (2) Frequency response as measured into a loudspeaker load (3) Remaining standard audio measurements which can be accomplished in an automated fashion using the Audio Rightmark freeware and a PC with a good audio interface. |
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:03:33 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: Howard, I've had many amps in my dubious hi-fi career, and while it's true many sound the same, others do not. Recently I bought an old Luxman L200 off Ebay and it has a warmth and sweetness I've not heard from any other amp, and which is definitely not imaginary as it took me quite by surprise. I wonder if you have any explanation for that. (1) It was a sighted evaluation, right? Well, I was wearing glasses, but.... (2) Frequency response as measured into a loudspeaker load Eh? (3) Remaining standard audio measurements which can be accomplished in an automated fashion using the Audio Rightmark freeware and a PC with a good audio interface. That does it. |
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"paul packer" wrote in message
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:03:33 -0400, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Howard, I've had many amps in my dubious hi-fi career, and while it's true many sound the same, others do not. Recently I bought an old Luxman L200 off Ebay and it has a warmth and sweetness I've not heard from any other amp, and which is definitely not imaginary as it took me quite by surprise. I wonder if you have any explanation for that. (1) It was a sighted evaluation, right? Well, I was wearing glasses, but.... ;-) (2) Frequency response as measured into a loudspeaker load Eh? Eh? (3) Remaining standard audio measurements which can be accomplished in an automated fashion using the Audio Rightmark freeware and a PC with a good audio interface. That does it. Eh? |
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paul packer wrote:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:33:34 -0400, Howard Ferstler wrote: Note that I intend to do some additional comparing, just in case. However, so far I have not heard differences between any decent amp and any other decent amp, so I am not expecting much. Howard, I've had many amps in my dubious hi-fi career, and while it's true many sound the same, others do not. For sure. Certainly, lower-quality amps, or amps (even expensive ones) that have been purposely configured to sound inaccurate to satisfy goofball sensibilities, will sound different from amps that have no audible distortion. Recently I bought an old Luxman L200 off Ebay and it has a warmth and sweetness I've not heard from any other amp, and which is definitely not imaginary as it took me quite by surprise. Good amps do not sound sweet. Good amps do not "sound" at all. I wonder if you have any explanation for that. The amp must have been a dud. Of course, it is also possible that you did not do any serious comparing of the sort I indicated in the initial posting. Howard Ferstler |
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:56:58 -0400, Howard Ferstler
wrote: Howard, I've had many amps in my dubious hi-fi career, and while it's true many sound the same, others do not. For sure. Certainly, lower-quality amps, or amps (even expensive ones) that have been purposely configured to sound inaccurate to satisfy goofball sensibilities, will sound different from amps that have no audible distortion. And what has all this to do with the use of expensive or inexpensive components, good or shoddy design and construction? Do none of these things affect sound quality? Recently I bought an old Luxman L200 off Ebay and it has a warmth and sweetness I've not heard from any other amp, and which is definitely not imaginary as it took me quite by surprise. Good amps do not sound sweet. Good amps do not "sound" at all. Ah, but acoustic instruments, especially stringed instruments, sound sweet, as you of all people should know. If therefore my amp caused instruments to sound sweet that had not done so before, could it be I was hearing a more truthful sound than hitherto? Careful how you answer now, Howard. I wonder if you have any explanation for that. The amp must have been a dud. Why? Why is something a dud because it makes music sound more pleasant than something else? Of course, it is also possible that you did not do any serious comparing of the sort I indicated in the initial posting. I've been in hi-fi since 1968 and even contributed to a national hi-fi mag (so you see you're not the only published audio clown around, Howard). I've heard quite a few amps and I know what sounds like music as opposed to mere electronics, accurate or otherwise. If you don't reject the idea of 'musicality' altogether, I'm sure you'll be sensitive to my questions. |
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paul packer wrote:
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:56:58 -0400, Howard Ferstler wrote: Recently I bought an old Luxman L200 off Ebay and it has a warmth and sweetness I've not heard from any other amp, and which is definitely not imaginary as it took me quite by surprise. Good amps do not sound sweet. Good amps do not "sound" at all. Ah, but acoustic instruments, especially stringed instruments, sound sweet, as you of all people should know. If therefore my amp caused instruments to sound sweet that had not done so before, could it be I was hearing a more truthful sound than hitherto? Careful how you answer now, Howard. Good amps merely reproduce what is fed into them, and amplify, too, of course. If you had a recording that sounded sour with one amp and sweet with another, they one, or possibly even both units were defective. I leave "both" as an option, because it is probably not unusual at all for a tweako freako to own two bum amps and think that one is superior in one area and the other is superior in another. Of course, the guy may just be deluded, and rather than carefully compare the amps he just speculates and swoons when he hears his favored unit. I wonder if you have any explanation for that. The amp must have been a dud. Why? Why is something a dud because it makes music sound more pleasant than something else? It might roll off the top octave a bit and that would make the music sound more pleasant. Of course, a treble tone control could do the same thing with a sub-par recording. Of course, it is also possible that you did not do any serious comparing of the sort I indicated in the initial posting. I've been in hi-fi since 1968 and even contributed to a national hi-fi mag (so you see you're not the only published audio clown around, Howard). I've heard quite a few amps and I know what sounds like music as opposed to mere electronics, accurate or otherwise. You are deluded. If you don't reject the idea of 'musicality' altogether, I'm sure you'll be sensitive to my questions. I am aware that you are a tweako freako. Howard Ferstler |
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"Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... Carl Valle wrote: Howard is gonna test a $3000 amp. He said that about 10 times now... But since he already knows it sounds just like a Pioneer receiver, he has a different approach. Not really. I did very carefully level match garbage deleted Pointless exercise with a cheap inferior system like yours. Cheers, Margaret |
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Margaret von Busenhalter-Butt wrote:
"Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... Carl Valle wrote: Howard is gonna test a $3000 amp. He said that about 10 times now... But since he already knows it sounds just like a Pioneer receiver, he has a different approach. Not really. I did very carefully level match garbage deleted Pointless exercise with a cheap inferior system like yours. Cheers, Margaret I wonder if you ever have bothered to do a careful, level-matched comparison of amplifiers, blind or otherwise. Perhaps you are just stupid and have not. Or, perhaps you have and are a con-artist, sockpupped journalist who has turf to protect. Howard Ferstler |
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"Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... Margaret von Busenhalter-Butt wrote: "Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... Carl Valle wrote: Howard is gonna test a $3000 amp. He said that about 10 times now... But since he already knows it sounds just like a Pioneer receiver, he has a different approach. Not really. I did very carefully level match garbage deleted Pointless exercise with a cheap inferior system like yours. Cheers, Margaret I wonder if you ever have bothered to do a careful, level-matched comparison of amplifiers, blind or otherwise. Dear Mr. Numbnuts, My primary dealer has facilities and equipment to conduct all those test with accuracy you can't even dream of. They also have equipment you can ONLY dream of. They also have professionally designed rooms that are second to none. They also have live music performed in those rooms in order to do comparisons to live microphone feed and other interesting stuff. They also operate on appointment basis only so your chances of ever having access to any of it are...like...nonexistent. Perhaps you are just stupid and have not. Could be, but then what does that make you? A librarian? Or, perhaps you have and are a con-artist, sockpupped journalist who has turf to protect. Howard Ferstler Or perhaps you are just a desperate conman who is only qualified to shelve books. Cheers, Margaret |
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Margaret von Busenhalter-Butt wrote:
Dear Mr. Numbnuts, My primary dealer has facilities and equipment to conduct all those test with accuracy you can't even dream of. They also have equipment you can ONLY dream of. They also have professionally designed rooms that are second to none. They also have live music performed in those rooms in order to do comparisons to live microphone feed and other interesting stuff. They also operate on appointment basis only so your chances of ever having access to any of it are...like...nonexistent. What baloney. You are deluded at best and a con artist at the worst. Howard Ferstler |
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Howard Ferstler said:
I did very carefully level match the unit against a Yamaha integrated amp. Using pink noise, you can get the levels close enough where the four signals (one in each channel with each amp) sounded the same. And I mean really the same, which shows that the frequency response of each amp was subjectively identical. The levels were then matched closely enough to go on and do some AB comparing with music. The result, well, the two amps sounded the same (surprise, surprise), even when I adjusted levels so that both were occasionally bumping up against their power limits with some material. Like I told you, just write tha it sounds the same as your Yamaha and be done with it. The manufacturer of said amp will thank you for your thorough review. -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." |
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Sander deWaal wrote:
Howard Ferstler said: I did very carefully level match the unit against a Yamaha integrated amp. Using pink noise, you can get the levels close enough where the four signals (one in each channel with each amp) sounded the same. And I mean really the same, which shows that the frequency response of each amp was subjectively identical. The levels were then matched closely enough to go on and do some AB comparing with music. The result, well, the two amps sounded the same (surprise, surprise), even when I adjusted levels so that both were occasionally bumping up against their power limits with some material. Like I told you, just write tha it sounds the same as your Yamaha and be done with it. Still have more comparing to do. The Yamaha is a very good amp, and so I would be suspicious if the other amp managed to sound different. Incidentally, if the Yamaha were distorting (as you guys would all say such cheap amps are prone to do) it seems rather preposterous for the other, far more expensive amp to somehow be able to distort exactly the same. The odds of that are pretty slim, and so the obvious alternative is to say that both were not audibly distorting at all. The manufacturer of said amp will thank you for your thorough review. No telling. The amp has other attributes that some people might consider important, particularly if they have money to burn. Howard Ferstler |
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:33:34 -0400, Howard Ferstler
wrote: So, while I am still an "amps is amps" kind of guy (at least if we are not talking about goofball amps that sound worse than neutral), I will admit that there is a certain something about a really well built upscale unit. (This unit was not better built than the best of the other amps I have fooled with, but it was still quite nice.) If you can afford it, I suppose getting something like that is OK. But if you have to stretch your budget you are an idiot. Ahhh, so you won't be trashing this amp in print. What, you're getting to keep it or something? I guess now you've changed your tune. Well, I'll have to say that at least the lightbulb is starting to come on. Otherwise, you'd be calling anyone who would spend $2600 more than they need to for an amp a loser, a chump and a buzzkiller for the hobby. |
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dave weil wrote:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:33:34 -0400, Howard Ferstler wrote: So, while I am still an "amps is amps" kind of guy (at least if we are not talking about goofball amps that sound worse than neutral), I will admit that there is a certain something about a really well built upscale unit. (This unit was not better built than the best of the other amps I have fooled with, but it was still quite nice.) If you can afford it, I suppose getting something like that is OK. But if you have to stretch your budget you are an idiot. Ahhh, so you won't be trashing this amp in print. Probably not. It is certainly a constructed work of art when it comes to durability, fit and finish, and, well, just plain impressive performance below the audible threshold. It has a world-class S/N, for example and is built to standards that would shame an M1A1 tank. What, you're getting to keep it or something? Hardly. I have all the amps I can use. I'd like some new TV monitors, however. The HDTV age is leaving me behind. I guess now you've changed your tune. Well, I'll have to say that at least the lightbulb is starting to come on. Wait and read the review. Otherwise, you'd be calling anyone who would spend $2600 more than they need to for an amp a loser, a chump and a buzzkiller for the hobby. Obviously, people with lots of surplus cash need to have something to spend it on. Big-ticket properties give their lives meaning. Some people would never own a cheap watch or cheap car, even though they might work just fine for what watches and cars are supposed to do. They would want a Rolex or a Lexus, and would not be satisfied with anything else. That is not my style (cheap is my middle name), but who am I to deny the rich the right to blow their cash on overkill? Howard Ferstler |
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:07:21 -0400, Howard Ferstler
wrote: Otherwise, you'd be calling anyone who would spend $2600 more than they need to for an amp a loser, a chump and a buzzkiller for the hobby. Obviously, people with lots of surplus cash need to have something to spend it on. Big-ticket properties give their lives meaning. Some people would never own a cheap watch or cheap car, even though they might work just fine for what watches and cars are supposed to do. They would want a Rolex or a Lexus, and would not be satisfied with anything else. That is not my style (cheap is my middle name), but who am I to deny the rich the right to blow their cash on overkill? Hmmmm, almost sounds like things I told you a few years ago. Glad to hear that you're finally coming around. |
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dave weil wrote:
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:07:21 -0400, Howard Ferstler wrote: Obviously, people with lots of surplus cash need to have something to spend it on. Big-ticket properties give their lives meaning. Some people would never own a cheap watch or cheap car, even though they might work just fine for what watches and cars are supposed to do. They would want a Rolex or a Lexus, and would not be satisfied with anything else. That is not my style (cheap is my middle name), but who am I to deny the rich the right to blow their cash on overkill? Hmmmm, almost sounds like things I told you a few years ago. Glad to hear that you're finally coming around. But the amps still sounded the same. For me, that is the bottom line. Howard Ferstler |
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S888Wheel wrote:
Now you can't tell the difference between a Lexus and a Toyota? That's just funny. Bad analogy, but I had to come up with something fast. I'd like to assume that you did get the point. Incidentally, the Camry and the corresponding Lexus model perform pretty close from what I have heard. It is one thing to purchase an upscale amp because you are enamored of its solidity, fit and finish, and perhaps the warranty. It is quite another thing to believe that said amp has an audible advantage over something that might cost considerably less. Of course, in the world of hi-fi audio delusions are as common as audio opinions. Howard Ferstler |
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George M. Middius wrote:
Sluttella said: Any job for me ? There are two openings. 1) toting $3,000 amps upand down the stairs 2) Assistant Plagiarizer No problem, as long it is not Middius' ass-licker. :-) Before I consider your application, send me a recent photo and test results. Also, you can't wear a tongue-condom if you want full pay. His job options are limited by the following disqualifications he possesses: (1) extremely low IQ (2) dazed & bewildered facial expressions (3) long-term job as village idiot (4) tendencies to imitate Pinocchio (a lying puppet) while worshipping puppeteers in Detroit & North Florida (5) afflicted with verbal diarrhea & factual constipation (6) card-carrying member of Hamas Support Group & Sheik Yassin Fan Club (7) unable to stand erect because of constant requests to "bend over and assume the position" (followed by requests of "may I have anotherr?" (8) chronic delusions of competence and sanity Bruce J. Richman |
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Bruce J. Richman wrote:
George M. Middius wrote: Sluttella said: Any job for me ? There are two openings. 1) toting $3,000 amps upand down the stairs 2) Assistant Plagiarizer No problem, as long it is not Middius' ass-licker. :-) Before I consider your application, send me a recent photo and test results. Also, you can't wear a tongue-condom if you want full pay. Before to go further in impossible dreams you should re-read my post. P.S : you can pour a little fresh water on your nescent weak erection, or continue to type with one hand only. His job options are limited by the following disqualifications he possesses: (1) extremely low IQ (2) dazed & bewildered facial expressions (3) long-term job as village idiot (4) tendencies to imitate Pinocchio (a lying puppet) while worshipping puppeteers in Detroit & North Florida (5) afflicted with verbal diarrhea & factual constipation (6) card-carrying member of Hamas Support Group & Sheik Yassin Fan Club (7) unable to stand erect because of constant requests to "bend over and assume the position" (followed by requests of "may I have anotherr?" (8) chronic delusions of competence and sanity No problem for me Doc... If you are intelligent, your daily contributions prove us that it is not the certitude of happiness... Bruce J. Richman Limited Psychologist |
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Lionel said:
Before to go further in impossible dreams you should re-read my post. P.S : you can pour a little fresh water on your nescent weak erection, or continue to type with one hand only. No problem for me Doc... If you are intelligent, your daily contributions prove us that it is not the certitude of happiness... Bruce J. Richman Limited Psychologist You know Lionel, if you were to refrain from posts like this, people wouldn't point the finger at you as well for maintaining a certain status-quo on RAO. Can't you be the more wise person here and rise above this all? It's a bit like Israel and the Palestines: at least one has to stop hostilities for a chance at peace. Let others post what they want, they're themselves responsible for what they write. Just a thought............. -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." |
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Sander deWaal wrote:
Lionel said: Before to go further in impossible dreams you should re-read my post. P.S : you can pour a little fresh water on your nescent weak erection, or continue to type with one hand only. No problem for me Doc... If you are intelligent, your daily contributions prove us that it is not the certitude of happiness... Bruce J. Richman Limited Psychologist You know Lionel, if you were to refrain from posts like this, people wouldn't point the finger at you as well for maintaining a certain status-quo on RAO. Can't you be the more wise person here and rise above this all? It's a bit like Israel and the Palestines: at least one has to stop hostilities for a chance at peace. Let others post what they want, they're themselves responsible for what they write. Just a thought............. Ok, Sanders just because I appreciate you. |
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Lionel said:
You know Lionel, if you were to refrain from posts like this, people wouldn't point the finger at you as well for maintaining a certain status-quo on RAO. Can't you be the more wise person here and rise above this all? It's a bit like Israel and the Palestines: at least one has to stop hostilities for a chance at peace. Let others post what they want, they're themselves responsible for what they write. Just a thought............. Ok, Sanders just because I appreciate you. Thanks. -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." |
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Sander deWaal wrote in message
Bruce J. Richman) said: His job options are limited by the following disqualifications he possesses: (1) extremely low IQ (2) dazed & bewildered facial expressions (3) long-term job as village idiot (4) tendencies to imitate Pinocchio (a lying puppet) while worshipping puppeteers in Detroit & North Florida (5) afflicted with verbal diarrhea & factual constipation (6) card-carrying member of Hamas Support Group & Sheik Yassin Fan Club (7) unable to stand erect because of constant requests to "bend over and assume the position" (followed by requests of "may I have anotherr?" (8) chronic delusions of competence and sanity You know Bruce, if you were to refrain from posts like this, people wouldn't point the finger at you as well for maintaining a certain status-quo on RAO. Can't you be the more wise person here and rise above this all? It's a bit like Israel and the Palestines: at least one has to stop hostilities for a chance at peace. Let others post what they want, they're themselves responsible for what they write. Just a thought............. -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." Lionel is contemptible who talk without thinking if he meant what he say. |
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JBorg wrote:
Sander deWaal wrote in message Bruce J. Richman) said: His job options are limited by the following disqualifications he possesses: (1) extremely low IQ (2) dazed & bewildered facial expressions (3) long-term job as village idiot (4) tendencies to imitate Pinocchio (a lying puppet) while worshipping puppeteers in Detroit & North Florida (5) afflicted with verbal diarrhea & factual constipation (6) card-carrying member of Hamas Support Group & Sheik Yassin Fan Club (7) unable to stand erect because of constant requests to "bend over and assume the position" (followed by requests of "may I have anotherr?" (8) chronic delusions of competence and sanity You know Bruce, if you were to refrain from posts like this, people wouldn't point the finger at you as well for maintaining a certain status-quo on RAO. Can't you be the more wise person here and rise above this all? It's a bit like Israel and the Palestines: at least one has to stop hostilities for a chance at peace. Let others post what they want, they're themselves responsible for what they write. Just a thought............. -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." Lionel is contemptible who talk without thinking if he meant what he say. LOL, Borg are you trying to edict the futur RAO ethical chart ? Considering your RAO past history, you can share the job with me. :-) |
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Lionel" wrote
JBorg wrote: Sander deWaal wrote Bruce J. Richman) said: His job options are limited by the following disqualifications he possesses: (1) extremely low IQ (2) dazed & bewildered facial expressions (3) long-term job as village idiot (4) tendencies to imitate Pinocchio (a lying puppet) while worshipping puppeteers in Detroit & North Florida (5) afflicted with verbal diarrhea & factual constipation (6) card-carrying member of Hamas Support Group & Sheik Yassin Fan Club (7) unable to stand erect because of constant requests to "bend over and assume the position" (followed by requests of "may I have anotherr?" (8) chronic delusions of competence and sanity You know Bruce, if you were to refrain from posts like this, people wouldn't point the finger at you as well for maintaining a certain status-quo on RAO. Can't you be the more wise person here and rise above this all? It's a bit like Israel and the Palestines: at least one has to stop hostilities for a chance at peace. Let others post what they want, they're themselves responsible for what they write. Just a thought............. -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." Lionel is contemptible who talk without thinking if he meant what he say. LOL, Borg are you trying to edict the futur RAO ethical chart ? Considering your RAO past history, you can share the job with me. :-) With regard to Kroo****, I meant everything I said. Unlike others, I got no blind allegiance to that mother****er. |
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