Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

"tor b" wrote in message
m

Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

I'm sure he pays retail for gasoline for his Mercedes collection.

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:08:22 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"tor b" wrote in message
om

Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

I'm sure he pays retail for gasoline for his Mercedes collection.

Ahhhh, gotta love envy...

"tor b" wrote in message
m...
Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

Do you think anybody who writes for any audio magazine pays retail?

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:08:22 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"tor b" wrote in message
m

Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

I'm sure he pays retail for gasoline for his Mercedes collection.

Ahhhh, gotta love envy...

Why would I envy the fact that he pays retail for gasoline for his Mercedes
collection?

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"dave weil" wrote in message

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:08:22 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:



Why would I envy the fact that he pays retail for gasoline for his
Mercedes
collection?


You are envious becasuse you pay gouged prices for
gasoline for your Mercedes collection.

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
nk.net...

"tor b" wrote in message
m...
Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

Do you think anybody who writes for any audio magazine pays retail?



Even I don't pay retail..............................for the magazine, "at
least".

"The Milkman" wrote in message
...
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

Incidently, since you have failedT to gloat about whatever vehicle you
own (or borrow or lease) --

A previously owned Food Lying shopping cart.

"Michael McKelvy" wrote:

"tor b" wrote in message
om...
Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

Do you think anybody who writes for any audio magazine pays retail?

Actually that's one of the 'draws' of the trade. The 'writing' certainly
doesn't pay that well ....I'm hoping that Mr Atkinson will wil drop in and tell
use exactly what the Stereophile "writers" are paid....but the availability of
products at an industry accomodation price (roughly 65% of MSRP) for review
samples (read that as "used" pieces) is an attraction. And the long-term loans
are an even better deal.

In my experience it's often difficult to return pieces..... manufacturers won't
"ask" for product and will occasionally send them back mistaking then for
warranty returns...I'd guess because manufacturers seem to like the fact that a
given product is still "in the field."

But in regard to the initial question I'm guessing that Mr Atkinson personally
pays for very little. Either he gets products for long-term loans OR his
employer pays for all the other products at accomodation pricing.

In my opinion there's nothing especially wrong with the practice but readers
should be aware of what it might be.

By the way Mr Atkinson, some short time ago, made some rather vague claims
about unethical practices by people in the industry. I'd be willing to have him
tell us who, what, why, how or when.

The Milkman wrote:




"Arny Krueger" wrote:

Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

I'm sure he pays retail for gasoline for his Mercedes collection.

Ahhhh, gotta love envy...

Why would I envy the fact that he pays retail for gasoline for his Mercedes
collection?

The mention of Mr Atkinson's Mercedes collection* was gratuitous and
unnecessary. It is not the first time you have introduced the subject
of JA's ownership of prestige vehicles, in this manner.

Incidently, since you have failed„¢ to gloat about whatever vehicle you
own (or borrow or lease) -- unlike almost every object you come into
contact with* that would impress nobody except those below the poverty
line, well... it's clearly a great source of embarrassement to you ;-(

Tip of the day : if you concentrate on doing commercially viable
things with your time, maybe someday in the future you will acquire
enough money to buy the car you really desire (a Mercedes), and your
bitterness will cease.



*If indeed it is a "collection". Maybe he just owns several.
**Or project the impression that you own - eg. B&K reference mics.



----------
I Deliver.

What's interesting about all this is that John Atkinson initiated all this by
making a reference to my Corvette infering that I was somehow "disadvantaging"
my music playback system by owning such a vehicle. while HE was just using his
discretionary dollars with 'older' vehicles and making better re-produced
music.

I'm guessing that just parking those cars in NYC far exceeds the $0 monhtly
cost of owning a paid-for Corvette. And my current sound system (7.1 channels
with a custom subwoofer) sounds just outrageously 'realistic.'

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net...
"tor b" wrote in message
m...
Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

Do you think anybody who writes for any audio magazine pays retail?


Why, then, is Ferstler getting beat up about this?

dave weil wrote in message . ..
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:08:22 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"tor b" wrote in message
om

Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

I'm sure he pays retail for gasoline for his Mercedes collection.

Ahhhh, gotta love envy...

and, in your case, dave, it's likely to be penis envy. ;-)

Nousaine wrote:


"Michael McKelvy" wrote:

"tor b" wrote in message
. com...
Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

Do you think anybody who writes for any audio magazine pays retail?

Actually that's one of the 'draws' of the trade. The 'writing' certainly
doesn't pay that well ....I'm hoping that Mr Atkinson will wil drop in and
tell
use exactly what the Stereophile "writers" are paid....but the availability
of
products at an industry accomodation price (roughly 65% of MSRP) for review
samples (read that as "used" pieces) is an attraction. And the long-term
loans
are an even better deal.


Are you willing to divulge what the writers for Sound & Vision or other
magazines you write for are paid? For that matter, why should any magazine
editor or writer discuss their fees with the reading public?
It appears that you're asking for data to be provided unilaterally - hardly a
scientific inquiry.




In my experience it's often difficult to return pieces..... manufacturers
won't
"ask" for product and will occasionally send them back mistaking then for
warranty returns...I'd guess because manufacturers seem to like the fact that
a
given product is still "in the field."


So, if I understand you correctly, equipment reviewers often, in effect, end up
owning the "loaned" pieces without having to pay for them at all. That is,
indeed, a nice incentive.


But in regard to the initial question I'm guessing that Mr Atkinson
personally
pays for very little. Either he gets products for long-term loans OR his
employer pays for all the other products at accomodation pricing.


Does that differ from the practice in effect at other audio magazines?



In my opinion there's nothing especially wrong with the practice but readers
should be aware of what it might be.


That same level of awareness should then apply to all audio magazines.



By the way Mr Atkinson, some short time ago, made some rather vague claims
about unethical practices by people in the industry. I'd be willing to have
him
tell us who, what, why, how or when.








Bruce J. Richman

"tor b" wrote in message
om...
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
ink.net...
"tor b" wrote in message
m...
Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

Do you think anybody who writes for any audio magazine pays retail?


Why, then, is Ferstler getting beat up about this?

Because he brags about it .

"Nousaine" wrote in message
...

I'm guessing that just parking those cars in NYC far exceeds the $0
monhtly
cost of owning a paid-for Corvette. And my current sound system (7.1
channels
with a custom subwoofer) sounds just outrageously 'realistic.'

Compared to what?
The last time you had a Mariachi band stashed in the rear deck?

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"dave weil" wrote in message

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:08:22 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:



Why would I envy the fact that he pays retail for gasoline for his
Mercedes collection?


You are envious becasuse you pay gouged prices for
gasoline for your Mercedes collection.

Ignorance of Manhattan versus Detroit gasolene pricing structures noted.

"The Milkman" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote:

Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

I'm sure he pays retail for gasoline for his Mercedes collection.

Ahhhh, gotta love envy...

Why would I envy the fact that he pays retail for gasoline for his
Mercedes collection?

The mention of Mr Atkinson's Mercedes collection* was gratuitous and
unnecessary. It is not the first time you have introduced the subject
of JA's ownership of prestige vehicles, in this manner.

And Atkinson's initial mention of his Mercedes collection wasn't gratuitous?
Hypocracy and hero-worship noted.

Incidently, since you have failedT to gloat about whatever vehicle you
own (or borrow or lease) -- unlike almost every object you come into
contact with* that would impress nobody except those below the poverty
line, well... it's clearly a great source of embarrassement to you ;-(

You've got me confused with people who are overly materialistic.

Tip of the day : if you concentrate on doing commercially viable
things with your time, maybe someday in the future you will acquire
enough money to buy the car you really desire (a Mercedes), and your
bitterness will cease.

No bitterness here.

*If indeed it is a "collection". Maybe he just owns several.
**Or project the impression that you own - eg. B&K reference mics.

I believe the term "collection" is due to Atkinson himself.

Poor historical perspective and general ignorance noted.

"tor b" wrote in message
om
dave weil wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:08:22 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"tor b" wrote in message
m

Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

I'm sure he pays retail for gasoline for his Mercedes collection.

Ahhhh, gotta love envy...

and, in your case, dave, it's likely to be penis envy. ;-)

Removal of that member is part of the table waitstaff initiation ceremony,
right?

"tor b" wrote in message
om
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
ink.net...
"tor b" wrote in message
m...
Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

Do you think anybody who writes for any audio magazine pays retail?


Why, then, is Ferstler getting beat up about this?

Becuase the people who are doing the beating aren't ummm, getting any.

(Bruce J. Richman) wrote in message ...
Nousaine wrote:
"Michael McKelvy" wrote:
"tor b" wrote in message
. com...
Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

Do you think anybody who writes for any audio magazine pays retail?

Actually that's one of the 'draws' of the trade. The 'writing' certainly
doesn't pay that well ....I'm hoping that Mr Atkinson will wil drop in
and tell use exactly what the Stereophile "writers" are paid....but the
availability of products at an industry accomodation price (roughly 65%
of MSRP) for review samples (read that as "used" pieces) is an
attraction. And the long-term loans are an even better deal.

Are you willing to divulge what the writers for Sound & Vision or
other magazines you write for are paid? For that matter, why should
any magazine editor or writer discuss their fees with the reading public?

I agree, Dr. Richman. I don't think this is something that needs to be
made public. Note that this is not the first time Tom Nousaine has referred
on r.a.o. to the subject of how much Stereophile's writers are paid.

But in regard to the initial question I'm guessing that Mr Atkinson
personally pays for very little. Either he gets products for long-term
loans OR his employer pays for all the other products at accomodation
pricing.

Does that differ from the practice in effect at other audio magazines?

I believe that Stereophile's policies are more rigorous than those at other
magazines, but I don't have hard information on the latter, of course.
Speaking for myself, I have personally purchased almost every piece of audio
equipment in my system, at the usual accommodation price, which tends to be
the price the dealer pays. This is not "corrupt," as the offensive thread
title states, and must be put against the need for reviewers to have more
than one reference available.

In my opinion there's nothing especially wrong with the practice but
readers should be aware of what it might be.

That same level of awareness should then apply to all audio magazines.

I agree.

And regarding all the silliness in this thread about my "Mercedes
collection," I don't see the relevance of this to audio. Surely how
I choose to spend my disposable income is up to me?

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

"John Atkinson" wrote in message
om

I believe that Stereophile's policies are more rigorous than those at
other magazines, but I don't have hard information on the latter, of
course.


Speaking for myself, I have personally purchased almost every
piece of audio equipment in my system, at the usual accommodation
price, which tends to be the price the dealer pays.

IME, this is pretty typical.


This is not
"corrupt," as the offensive thread title states, and must be put
against the need for reviewers to have more than one reference
available.

The corruption issue was yet another troll that was first recently
introduced here by the following post:

"Robert Morein" wrote in message


No, just disgusted that you are corrupt and try to mingle with us.
You are CORRUPT!!! EVIL!!! Get it?

Howard, get the hell outta here. You're a moral degenerate.

It was quickly supported by Marc Phillips,who has in the past bragged here
about at least one gift of expensive equipment from a high end manufactuers.

Intersting how receiving *accomodations* is OK once John Atkinson *approves*
it...

IOW, just the usual RAO harassement and hypocrisy from the usual list of RAO
mental midgets.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Clyde Slick" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"dave weil" wrote in message

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:08:22 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:



Why would I envy the fact that he pays retail for gasoline for his
Mercedes collection?


You are envious becasuse you pay gouged prices for
gasoline for your Mercedes collection.

Ignorance of Manhattan versus Detroit gasolene pricing structures noted.



How much does it cost to fill up each of your Mercedes?

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"tor b" wrote in message
om
dave weil wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:08:22 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"tor b" wrote in message
m

Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

I'm sure he pays retail for gasoline for his Mercedes collection.

Ahhhh, gotta love envy...

and, in your case, dave, it's likely to be penis envy. ;-)

Removal of that member is part of the table waitstaff initiation ceremony,
right?



Remember the last time you ate meatloaf at the diner?

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"tor b" wrote in message
om
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
ink.net...
"tor b" wrote in message
m...
Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

Do you think anybody who writes for any audio magazine pays retail?


Why, then, is Ferstler getting beat up about this?

Becuase the people who are doing the beating aren't ummm, getting any.



A definite case of equalizer envy.

"tor b" wrote
anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

Of course he doesn't. But that in itself isn't corruption, as anyone in the
business gets "accomodation" pricing. Even though I am only a very small AV
dealer with no influence on anyone I have been allowed to purchase my
components at dealer cost or less for all the brands I sell, and usually
even for brands I do not sell.

Is that corrupt? Is anyone corrupt when they pay less than retail?

If everybody gives reviewers deals (and I'm sure they all do) it all evens
out. Maybe if they give reviewers extended loans there might be a problem,
but on the other hand why would a reviewer want a product on extended loan
if he didn't want to listen to it?

Wylie Williams
The Speaker and Stereo Store
Saint Louis, Missouri

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Clyde Slick" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"dave weil" wrote in message

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:08:22 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:



Why would I envy the fact that he pays retail for gasoline for his
Mercedes collection?


You are envious becasuse you pay gouged prices for
gasoline for your Mercedes collection.

Ignorance of Manhattan versus Detroit gasolene pricing structures
noted.

How much does it cost to fill up each of your Mercedes?

Not nearly enough to be worth talking about on an international forum.

"John Atkinson" wrote in message
om...
(Bruce J. Richman) wrote in message
...
Nousaine wrote:
"Michael McKelvy" wrote:
"tor b" wrote in message
. com...
Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

Do you think anybody who writes for any audio magazine pays retail?

Actually that's one of the 'draws' of the trade. The 'writing' certainly
doesn't pay that well ....I'm hoping that Mr Atkinson will wil drop in
and tell use exactly what the Stereophile "writers" are paid....but the
availability of products at an industry accomodation price (roughly 65%
of MSRP) for review samples (read that as "used" pieces) is an
attraction. And the long-term loans are an even better deal.

Are you willing to divulge what the writers for Sound & Vision or
other magazines you write for are paid? For that matter, why should
any magazine editor or writer discuss their fees with the reading public?

I agree, Dr. Richman. I don't think this is something that needs to be
made public. Note that this is not the first time Tom Nousaine has
referred
on r.a.o. to the subject of how much Stereophile's writers are paid.


Well, Nousaine knows he's a loser but he cannot quite quantify how MUCH of a
loser he is. The fact that he's less of a loser than Krueger doesn't mean
much.

But in regard to the initial question I'm guessing that Mr Atkinson
personally pays for very little. Either he gets products for long-term
loans OR his employer pays for all the other products at accomodation
pricing.

Does that differ from the practice in effect at other audio magazines?

I believe that Stereophile's policies are more rigorous than those at
other
magazines, but I don't have hard information on the latter, of course.
Speaking for myself, I have personally purchased almost every piece of
audio
equipment in my system, at the usual accommodation price, which tends to
be
the price the dealer pays. This is not "corrupt," as the offensive thread
title states, and must be put against the need for reviewers to have more
than one reference available.


I wonder if the super exclusive and small outfits like Rockport and CTC
Builders, for example, have accomodation prices?

Howard Ferstler seems to be a good example of a reviewer whose equipment are
of such pedestrian quality that he has become everyone's audio joke. His
reviews are like judging Cabernets using his customary prune juice as
reference.

In my opinion there's nothing especially wrong with the practice but
readers should be aware of what it might be.

That same level of awareness should then apply to all audio magazines.

I agree.


Few readers are dense enough to be ignorant of the practice.

And regarding all the silliness in this thread about my "Mercedes
collection," I don't see the relevance of this to audio. Surely how
I choose to spend my disposable income is up to me?


Well, John...you know the answer. You are a winner in the world of audio.
You love it, you made it popular and you made it pay off. In the process you
have directly and indirectly created a lot of jobs, attracted capital to the
business - in other words, you've created something valuable and you got
compensated for it. That's the way our economy works and you are to be
applauded for your achievements.

This is in stark contrast to Krueger and Nousaine whose bitter rants on the
internet amount to ZERO economic, cultural or intellectual value. And our
economy has rewarded them accordingly. :-) What these audio losers have not
understood is that one needs a total package to succeed - brains,
personality and manners- to name a few.

Cheers,

Margaret

PS. Got your SLR yet? ;-)











John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

"The Milkman" wrote in message

(Nousaine) wrote:

What's interesting about all this is that John Atkinson initiated
all this by making a reference to my Corvette infering that I was
somehow "disadvantaging" my music playback system by owning such a
vehicle.

This is sooo 1999..

Looking at the origins of this topic on google, it's clear that John
Atkinson was pointing out Arny Krueger's hypocrisy in condemning him
[and others] for spending considerable sums of money on audio
equipment for pleasure, whilst simultaneously slapping you on the back
for buying a luxury vehicle.

*That* is why your Corvette was referred to.

http://tinyurl.com/6vlrv

Really?

Here's part of that post:

"From various things Mr. Krüger has said at various times, I must conclude
that it basically comes down to envy. Envy of other's success in the
businesses in which they work; envy of others' financial wherewithal
and willingness to spend money on things that he personally does not
value. And again that can be rendered down to a lack of respect for the
choices others make that do not align with Arny's own beliefs."

Atkinson obviously has my last 10 income tax returns sitting before him, so
he knows exactly what my financial wherewithal is. Of couorse he doesn't.
Atkinson's delusions of ominsicence therefore come to the forefront once
again.

"For example, Arny has praised Tom Nousaine's purchase of a Corvette as his
vehicle of choice.

I'm in favor of people making choices that provide them with tangible
benefits. as opposed to the purely illusory benefits of the kinds of snake
oil purchases that ragazines like Stereophile ofen glorify.

"That means that not only has Tom spent more on one rather
impractical luxury car (IMO) than I have on all three of my old Mercedeses,
I
have spent more purchasing audio components in the past 10 years, even
at industry accommodation prices, than Tom has on his car (assuming
he bought it new)."

So what's going on here, is Atkinson trying to glorify spending money for
the sake of spending money or what?

Now let's review Milkman's claim:

"Atkinson was pointing out Arny Krueger's hypocrisy in condemning him
[and others] for spending considerable sums of money on audio
equipment for pleasure"

I fact, I've never condemned Atkinson or anybody else for simply spending
considerable sums of money on audio equipment for pleasure. This would be
hypocritical given the $10,000's I've spent on audio equipment for my own
personal pleasure and the pleasure of my friends and guests.

"The Milkman" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote:

Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

I'm sure he pays retail for gasoline for his Mercedes collection.

Ahhhh, gotta love envy...

Why would I envy the fact that he pays retail for gasoline for his
Mercedes collection?

The mention of Mr Atkinson's Mercedes collection* was gratuitous and
unnecessary. It is not the first time you have introduced the
subject of JA's ownership of prestige vehicles, in this manner.

And Atkinson's initial mention of his Mercedes collection wasn't
gratuitous?

Not even remotely.
http://tinyurl.com/3j2j9

Given that he had previously ignored a number of other people's mention of
the Mercedes brand, this mention remains gratuitous and excessive.

snip remainder of equally irrelevant weirdness

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"tor b" wrote in message
om
dave weil wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:08:22 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"tor b" wrote in message
m

Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

I'm sure he pays retail for gasoline for his Mercedes collection.

Ahhhh, gotta love envy...

and, in your case, dave, it's likely to be penis envy. ;-)

Removal of that member is part of the table waitstaff initiation
ceremony, right?



Remember the last time you ate meatloaf at the diner?

Good thing I don't eat meatloaf at the diner. Art's delusional belief in his
omnisicence dismissed.

"The Milkman" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote:

..Marc Phillips,who has in the past bragged here
about at least one gift of expensive equipment from a high end
manufactuers.

URL for that?

In the tradition of Marc Phillips: www.google.com

"Margaret von Busenhalter-Butt" wrote in message


This is in stark contrast to Krueger and Nousaine whose bitter rants
on the internet amount to ZERO economic, cultural or intellectual
value. And our economy has rewarded them accordingly. :-) What these
audio losers have not understood is that one needs a total package to
succeed - brains, personality and manners- to name a few.

Here's a typical Busenhalter non-bitter post on RAO:

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=P7...u stin.rr.com

"Download the ABX comparator, and get free
access to "Arny's Legal Pre-teen Porno Drive" where all the files are more
than 3 years old winkwink and therefore perfectly "legal" winkwink."

Nuff said, right?

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"John Atkinson" wrote in message
om

I believe that Stereophile's policies are more rigorous than those at
other magazines, but I don't have hard information on the latter, of
course.


Speaking for myself, I have personally purchased almost every
piece of audio equipment in my system, at the usual accommodation
price, which tends to be the price the dealer pays.

IME, this is pretty typical.


There you go again trying to elevate yourself to the same level with Mr.
Atkinson. The fact that you got $5 discount on your obsolete Soundblaster is
not at all relevant.


This is not
"corrupt," as the offensive thread title states, and must be put
against the need for reviewers to have more than one reference
available.

The corruption issue was yet another troll that was first recently
introduced here by the following post:

"Robert Morein" wrote in message


No, just disgusted that you are corrupt and try to mingle with us.
You are CORRUPT!!! EVIL!!! Get it?

Howard, get the hell outta here. You're a moral degenerate.

It was quickly supported by Marc Phillips,who has in the past bragged here
about at least one gift of expensive equipment from a high end
manufactuers.

Intersting how receiving *accomodations* is OK once John Atkinson
*approves* it...

IOW, just the usual RAO harassement and hypocrisy from the usual list of
RAO mental midgets.

In other words, all the people with better audio systems than your piece of
garbage.

I love seeing you stew in your own bitter juices...

Suffer, baby, suffer!

Margaret

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"The Milkman" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote:

..Marc Phillips,who has in the past bragged here
about at least one gift of expensive equipment from a high end
manufactuers.

URL for that?

In the tradition of Marc Phillips: www.google.com


Krueger only works for me today.

Cheers,

Margaret

(John Atkinson) wrote:



(Bruce J. Richman) wrote in message
...
Nousaine wrote:
"Michael McKelvy" wrote:
"tor b" wrote in message
. com...
Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

Do you think anybody who writes for any audio magazine pays retail?

Actually that's one of the 'draws' of the trade. The 'writing' certainly
doesn't pay that well ....I'm hoping that Mr Atkinson will wil drop in
and tell use exactly what the Stereophile "writers" are paid....but the
availability of products at an industry accomodation price (roughly 65%
of MSRP) for review samples (read that as "used" pieces) is an
attraction. And the long-term loans are an even better deal.

Are you willing to divulge what the writers for Sound & Vision or
other magazines you write for are paid? For that matter, why should
any magazine editor or writer discuss their fees with the reading public?

I agree, Dr. Richman. I don't think this is something that needs to be
made public. Note that this is not the first time Tom Nousaine has referred
on r.a.o. to the subject of how much Stereophile's writers are paid.

But in regard to the initial question I'm guessing that Mr Atkinson
personally pays for very little. Either he gets products for long-term
loans OR his employer pays for all the other products at accomodation
pricing.

Does that differ from the practice in effect at other audio magazines?

I believe that Stereophile's policies are more rigorous than those at other
magazines, but I don't have hard information on the latter, of course.
Speaking for myself, I have personally purchased almost every piece of audio
equipment in my system, at the usual accommodation price, which tends to be
the price the dealer pays. This is not "corrupt," as the offensive thread
title states, and must be put against the need for reviewers to have more
than one reference available.

In my opinion there's nothing especially wrong with the practice but
readers should be aware of what it might be.

That same level of awareness should then apply to all audio magazines.

I agree.

And regarding all the silliness in this thread about my "Mercedes
collection," I don't see the relevance of this to audio. Surely how
I choose to spend my disposable income is up to me?

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

How you spend your diposable is certainly your own personal business; but you
once implied that my purchase of a Corvette was less responsible because you,
Mr Atkinson, chose to spend your income on audio. I'd think that road should
run both ways.

"Nousaine" wrote in message
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(John Atkinson) wrote:



(Bruce J. Richman) wrote in message
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Nousaine wrote:
"Michael McKelvy" wrote:
"tor b" wrote in message
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Anyone think he pays retail? ;-)

Do you think anybody who writes for any audio magazine pays retail?

Actually that's one of the 'draws' of the trade. The 'writing'
certainly
doesn't pay that well ....I'm hoping that Mr Atkinson will wil drop in
and tell use exactly what the Stereophile "writers" are paid....but the
availability of products at an industry accomodation price (roughly 65%
of MSRP) for review samples (read that as "used" pieces) is an
attraction. And the long-term loans are an even better deal.

Are you willing to divulge what the writers for Sound & Vision or
other magazines you write for are paid? For that matter, why should
any magazine editor or writer discuss their fees with the reading
public?

I agree, Dr. Richman. I don't think this is something that needs to be
made public. Note that this is not the first time Tom Nousaine has
referred
on r.a.o. to the subject of how much Stereophile's writers are paid.

But in regard to the initial question I'm guessing that Mr Atkinson
personally pays for very little. Either he gets products for long-term
loans OR his employer pays for all the other products at accomodation
pricing.

Does that differ from the practice in effect at other audio magazines?

I believe that Stereophile's policies are more rigorous than those at
other
magazines, but I don't have hard information on the latter, of course.
Speaking for myself, I have personally purchased almost every piece of
audio
equipment in my system, at the usual accommodation price, which tends to
be
the price the dealer pays. This is not "corrupt," as the offensive thread
title states, and must be put against the need for reviewers to have more
than one reference available.

In my opinion there's nothing especially wrong with the practice but
readers should be aware of what it might be.

That same level of awareness should then apply to all audio magazines.

I agree.

And regarding all the silliness in this thread about my "Mercedes
collection," I don't see the relevance of this to audio. Surely how
I choose to spend my disposable income is up to me?

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

How you spend your diposable is certainly your own personal business; but
you
once implied that my purchase of a Corvette

Quit bragging, Nousaine. Even girls know that a Corvette will literally fall
apart if driven anywhere near its top speed for an extended period of time.
But then again, you have Krueger to follow behind you in his rusted up
minivan to pick up the parts that fall off. Ha hah! It only excels in
burnouts between traffic lights. The Corvette is simply a premature
ejeculation on wheels, just like its owners.

Cheers,

Margaret

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"Margaret von Busenhalter-Butt" wrote:

The Corvette is simply a premature
ejeculation on wheels, just like its owners.

LOL!

John Atkinson wrote:

I agree, Dr. Richman.

I don't understand anything about your debate but I note that you are an
habile diplomate. :-)

(John Atkinson) wrote in message
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Note that this is not the first time Tom Nousaine has referred on
r.a.o. to the subject of how much Stereophile's writers are paid.

Brainfade on my part. Tom last raised the issue on rec.audio.high-end.
See, for example, message .

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

"MINe 109" wrote in message

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"Margaret von Busenhalter-Butt" wrote:

The Corvette is simply a premature
ejeculation on wheels, just like its owners.

LOL!

No envy present in these posts, none at all.

;-)