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ABC news just reported on the 6 PM news that 2 document analysts who were
employed by CBS told CBS before the program aired that the documents had numerous problems and could not be authenticated. They interviewed the analysts, one saying she e-mailed CBS the night before the broadcast warning them that if they went on the air with those documents, by Thursday morning they would be getting the same questions from hundreds of document analysts that she raised. One expert CBS quoted on Friday now says he could not authenticate any documents. He only looked at the signature. ABC also produced a typewriter expert who said that the IBM Selectric Composer (the most advanced typewriter at the time) could not produce those documents. The bloggers are now calling for Congressional hearings to find the source for the docs and determine if CBS is guilty of election altering fraud attempts. At this point, since CBS is not forthcoming, I think congressional hearings are in order. I have not heard anyone speculate that any sort of criminal investigation is underway, so I can think of no other body to take the lead on this. ScottW |
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In related news, Texans for Truth is now offering a $50,000 award to anyone
who can prove that Bush reported to service between May 1972 and May 1973. Does anyone actually think that he was there during that time? I sure as hell don't. And to be honest, I don't really care! What happened 35 years ago means nothing! http://texansfortruth.com/ "ScottW" wrote in message news:QdN1d.90376$yh.74553@fed1read05... ABC news just reported on the 6 PM news that 2 document analysts who were employed by CBS told CBS before the program aired that the documents had numerous problems and could not be authenticated. They interviewed the analysts, one saying she e-mailed CBS the night before the broadcast warning them that if they went on the air with those documents, by Thursday morning they would be getting the same questions from hundreds of document analysts that she raised. One expert CBS quoted on Friday now says he could not authenticate any documents. He only looked at the signature. ABC also produced a typewriter expert who said that the IBM Selectric Composer (the most advanced typewriter at the time) could not produce those documents. The bloggers are now calling for Congressional hearings to find the source for the docs and determine if CBS is guilty of election altering fraud attempts. At this point, since CBS is not forthcoming, I think congressional hearings are in order. I have not heard anyone speculate that any sort of criminal investigation is underway, so I can think of no other body to take the lead on this. ScottW |
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![]() "Greg Williams" wrote in message ... And to be honest, I don't really care! What happened 35 years ago means nothing! I couldn't agree more. But I do care about a major broadcast (public airways) network engaging in potentially election altering fraud right now. ScottW |
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![]() "Annika1980" wrote in message ... From: "Greg Williams" Does anyone actually think that he was there during that time? I sure as hell don't. And to be honest, I don't really care! What happened 35 years ago means nothing! http://texansfortruth.com/ Does it matter if he continues to lie about it today? What lie would that be? He's said he served and got an honorable discharge. |
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In article QdN1d.90376$yh.74553@fed1read05,
"ScottW" wrote: ABC news just reported on the 6 PM news that 2 document analysts who were employed by CBS told CBS before the program aired that the documents had numerous problems and could not be authenticated. They interviewed the analysts, one saying she e-mailed CBS the night before the broadcast warning them that if they went on the air with those documents, by Thursday morning they would be getting the same questions from hundreds of document analysts that she raised. One expert CBS quoted on Friday now says he could not authenticate any documents. He only looked at the signature. ABC also produced a typewriter expert who said that the IBM Selectric Composer (the most advanced typewriter at the time) could not produce those documents. The bloggers are now calling for Congressional hearings to find the source for the docs and determine if CBS is guilty of election altering fraud attempts. At this point, since CBS is not forthcoming, I think congressional hearings are in order. I have not heard anyone speculate that any sort of criminal investigation is underway, so I can think of no other body to take the lead on this. I only saw the last half of the ABC report, but it looks like CBS has blown it. The bloggers are, of course, over-reacting, or do they want a Swift vets investigation too? We've already seen the absurdity of Robert Novak calling on CBS to reveal its sources. Stephen |
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"MINe 109" wrote in message
The bloggers are, of course, over-reacting, Translation from the political bigot: It's always an over-reaction if it gores my ox. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message The bloggers are, of course, over-reacting, Translation from the political bigot: It's always an over-reaction if it gores my ox. ABC quoted a NG secretary who said the docs looked wrong, but the content reflected what they were thinking back then. Why forge something with accurate content? Bloggers over-react. That's the nature of blogging. |
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"MINe 109" wrote in message
In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message The bloggers are, of course, over-reacting, Translation from the political bigot: It's always an over-reaction if it gores my ox. ABC quoted a NG secretary who said the docs looked wrong, but the content reflected what they were thinking back then. Typical obfuscation of the main topic and far more relevant fact: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/I..._040914-1.html Emily Will, a veteran document examiner from North Carolina, told ABC News she saw problems right away with the one document CBS hired her to check the weekend before the broadcast. "I found five significant differences in the questioned handwriting, and I found problems with the printing itself as to whether it could have been produced by a typewriter," she said. Will says she sent the CBS producer an e-mail message about her concerns and strongly urged the network the night before the broadcast not to use the documents. "I told them that all the questions I was asking them on Tuesday night, they were going to be asked by hundreds of other document examiners on Thursday if they ran that story," Will said. But the documents became a key part of the 60 Minutes II broadcast questioning President Bush's National Guard service in 1972. CBS made no mention that any expert disputed the authenticity. "I did not feel that they wanted to investigate it very deeply," Will told ABC News. --------------------- Why forge something with accurate content? Why obfuscate the fact that the main topic of the ABC report was far more damning to the objectivity and reliabilty of CBS news? Bloggers over-react. That's the nature of blogging. Obfuscators and those who deceive themselves obfuscate and deceive themselves. That's their nature! |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message The bloggers are, of course, over-reacting, Translation from the political bigot: It's always an over-reaction if it gores my ox. ABC quoted a NG secretary who said the docs looked wrong, but the content reflected what they were thinking back then. Typical obfuscation of the main topic and far more relevant fact: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/I...ments_040914-1 .html I saw the complete report this morning, thanks. The Dallas Morning News tracked down Killian's typist. I may take the trouble of registering with their website to read more. I'll bet the story is linked somewhere out there in blogland. Actually, arguing about this stuff obfuscates the greater issue of Bush's National Guard service, which itself is a lesser issue than his presidential record. Why forge something with accurate content? Why obfuscate the fact that the main topic of the ABC report was far more damning to the objectivity and reliabilty of CBS news? I've already acknowledged CBS's foul-up. Bloggers over-react. That's the nature of blogging. Obfuscators and those who deceive themselves obfuscate and deceive themselves. That's their nature! Do tell. |
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![]() "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message The bloggers are, of course, over-reacting, Translation from the political bigot: It's always an over-reaction if it gores my ox. ABC quoted a NG secretary who said the docs looked wrong, but the content reflected what they were thinking back then. The forged document dontains a forged Killian signature. It was not what Killian was thinking Why forge something with accurate content? It wasn't accurate content. The reason to forge a document with 'that' content was because no real document with 'that' content exists. |
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![]() "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message The bloggers are, of course, over-reacting, Translation from the political bigot: It's always an over-reaction if it gores my ox. ABC quoted a NG secretary who said the docs looked wrong, but the content reflected what they were thinking back then. The forged document dontains a forged Killian signature. It was not what Killian was thinking Why forge something with accurate content? It wasn't accurate content. The reason to forge a document with 'that' content was because no real document with 'that' content exists. Bingo! CBS is trotting out the former secretary to Killian who says that she believes the memos are forged as well, but that they reflect his thinking at the time. IOW CBS is staking their credibility on hearsay. |
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In article ,
"Clyde Slick" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message The bloggers are, of course, over-reacting, Translation from the political bigot: It's always an over-reaction if it gores my ox. ABC quoted a NG secretary who said the docs looked wrong, but the content reflected what they were thinking back then. The forged document dontains a forged Killian signature. It was not what Killian was thinking Separate the memo from the man. She said what Killian was thinking. She also says she didn't type them. Why forge something with accurate content? It wasn't accurate content. The reason to forge a document with 'that' content was because no real document with 'that' content exists. Wait and see. |
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![]() "MINe 109" wrote in message ... We've already seen the absurdity of Robert Novak calling on CBS to reveal its sources. What is wrong with that? They duped and used CBS. I don't see why CBS is beholden to them to protect their identity. Those preps are hoaxters and frauds. Sure, if it were a legitimate source, CBS should fight to withold the id. But the clown who is the CBS source gave up rights to protection by perpetrading a fraud upon CBS. |
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Clyde 'while Fester's still around, just call me' Slick wrote:
Those preps are hoaxters and frauds. Sure, if it were a legitimate source, CBS should fight to withold the id. But the clown who is the CBS source gave up rights to protection by perpetrading a fraud upon CBS. Something extraordinarily fishy about this whole episode. They were obvious blatant forgeries too easily discredited. Normally, you'd wonder who this would help, but first consider who this hurts ... obviously Kerry, with Bush merely being an incidental beneficiary. Now, who this really helps is the Clintons, both in unchallenged continuing control of the Democratic party, and particularly Hillary's presumptive bid for the presidency in 2008. Yep, this has all the earmarks of being hatched from the diabolical minds of Begala and Carville. GeoSynch |
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![]() "GeoSynch" wrote in message k.net... Clyde 'while Fester's still around, just call me' Slick wrote: Those preps are hoaxters and frauds. Sure, if it were a legitimate source, CBS should fight to withold the id. But the clown who is the CBS source gave up rights to protection by perpetrading a fraud upon CBS. Something extraordinarily fishy about this whole episode. They were obvious blatant forgeries too easily discredited. Normally, you'd wonder who this would help, but first consider who this hurts ... obviously Kerry, with Bush merely being an incidental beneficiary. Now, who this really helps is the Clintons, both in unchallenged continuing control of the Democratic party, and particularly Hillary's presumptive bid for the presidency in 2008. Yep, this has all the earmarks of being hatched from the diabolical minds of Begala and Carville. Wouldn't that be great to see revealed. The serpent slain. ScottW |
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ScottW wrote:
[T]his has all the earmarks of being hatched from the diabolical minds of Begala and Carville. Wouldn't that be great to see revealed. The serpent slain. Nah, that'd be no fun at all. That slippery snake is too clever to have himself directly or indirectly linked to the chain of events. Also, the 2008 race would be a bore without that beady-eyed psycho-snake making political mischief and giving the Republicans fits. GeoSynch |
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:32:39 GMT, "GeoSynch"
wrote: Clyde 'while Fester's still around, just call me' Slick wrote: Those preps are hoaxters and frauds. Sure, if it were a legitimate source, CBS should fight to withold the id. But the clown who is the CBS source gave up rights to protection by perpetrading a fraud upon CBS. Something extraordinarily fishy about this whole episode. They were obvious blatant forgeries too easily discredited. Normally, you'd wonder who this would help, but first consider who this hurts ... obviously Kerry, with Bush merely being an incidental beneficiary. Now, who this really helps is the Clintons, both in unchallenged continuing control of the Democratic party, and particularly Hillary's presumptive bid for the presidency in 2008. Yep, this has all the earmarks of being hatched from the diabolical minds of Begala and Carville. GeoSynch Actually it strikes me more likely that it might come from the mind of the great political trickster, Karl Rove. Do you really think that Begala and Carville would sabotage a four year Democratic term just to help Hillary? If so, I think you need to step back and think logically. Giving the Repbulicans four more years is in no way helpful to either Senator Clinton *nor* the Democratic Party platform (especially when you consider the possibility of another couple of Supreme Court justice appointments). No, the more likely source would be Rove and *his* ilk. That's what's fishy to me, *if* they are forgeries, which isn't yet proven. What's bizarre is CBS' gullibility if this ends up being the case. |
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![]() "dave weil" wrote in message ... On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:32:39 GMT, "GeoSynch" wrote: Clyde 'while Fester's still around, just call me' Slick wrote: Those preps are hoaxters and frauds. Sure, if it were a legitimate source, CBS should fight to withold the id. But the clown who is the CBS source gave up rights to protection by perpetrading a fraud upon CBS. Something extraordinarily fishy about this whole episode. They were obvious blatant forgeries too easily discredited. Normally, you'd wonder who this would help, but first consider who this hurts ... obviously Kerry, with Bush merely being an incidental beneficiary. Now, who this really helps is the Clintons, both in unchallenged continuing control of the Democratic party, and particularly Hillary's presumptive bid for the presidency in 2008. Yep, this has all the earmarks of being hatched from the diabolical minds of Begala and Carville. GeoSynch Actually it strikes me more likely that it might come from the mind of the great political trickster, Karl Rove. Do you really think that Begala and Carville would sabotage a four year Democratic term just to help Hillary? If so, I think you need to step back and think logically. Giving the Repbulicans four more years is in no way helpful to either Senator Clinton *nor* the Democratic Party platform (especially when you consider the possibility of another couple of Supreme Court justice appointments). No, the more likely source would be Rove and *his* ilk. That's what's fishy to me, *if* they are forgeries, which isn't yet proven. What's bizarre is CBS' gullibility if this ends up being the case. Dave, if it came from Rove, it is a very, very dumb move. A 'smart' Democrat would not have released it to 60 minutes, "at least" not yet. Better to hold onto it and not leak it until the day before the election, when the Republicans would not have time to counter it. I think Rove would have thought that the Democrats might do that, so, sensing it could easily backfire against the Reps, Rove would instigate this. I'm not saying he's ethical, I'm just saying he is to smart to do something so dangerous that could easily backfire on him. |
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![]() "dave weil" wrote in message ... On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 04:32:39 GMT, "GeoSynch" wrote: Clyde 'while Fester's still around, just call me' Slick wrote: Those preps are hoaxters and frauds. Sure, if it were a legitimate source, CBS should fight to withold the id. But the clown who is the CBS source gave up rights to protection by perpetrading a fraud upon CBS. Something extraordinarily fishy about this whole episode. They were obvious blatant forgeries too easily discredited. Normally, you'd wonder who this would help, but first consider who this hurts ... obviously Kerry, with Bush merely being an incidental beneficiary. Now, who this really helps is the Clintons, both in unchallenged continuing control of the Democratic party, and particularly Hillary's presumptive bid for the presidency in 2008. Yep, this has all the earmarks of being hatched from the diabolical minds of Begala and Carville. GeoSynch Actually it strikes me more likely that it might come from the mind of the great political trickster, Karl Rove. Based on what evidence? Do you really think that Begala and Carville would sabotage a four year Democratic term just to help Hillary? Abso-****ing-lutely. If so, I think you need to step back and think logically. Irony? Giving the Repbulicans four more years is in no way helpful to either Senator Clinton *nor* the Democratic Party platform Of course it is. The odds of winning the White House for the same party after having one of their own in for 2 terms are very slim. (especially when you consider the possibility of another couple of Supreme Court justice appointments). No, the more likely source would be Rove and *his* ilk. That's what's fishy to me, *if* they are forgeries, which isn't yet proven. What's bizarre is CBS' gullibility if this ends up being the case. What's bizarre is your paranoia. |
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dave weil wrote:
Something extraordinarily fishy about this whole episode. They were obvious blatant forgeries too easily discredited. Normally, you'd wonder who this would help, but first consider who this hurts ... obviously Kerry, with Bush merely being an incidental beneficiary. Now, who this really helps is the Clintons, both in unchallenged continuing control of the Democratic party, and particularly Hillary's presumptive bid for the presidency in 2008. Yep, this has all the earmarks of being hatched from the diabolical minds of Begala and Carville. Actually it strikes me more likely that it might come from the mind of the great political trickster, Karl Rove. Radioactive risk for chump-change reward? Not likely. Do you really think that Begala and Carville would sabotage a four year Democratic term just to help Hillary? Yes, they would ... and in a New York minute. If so, I think you need to step back and think logically. Giving the Repbulicans four more years is in no way helpful to either Senator Clinton *nor* the Democratic Party platform (especially when you consider the possibility of another couple of Supreme Court justice appointments). Don't be so disingenuous, Dave. Hillary's (or Bill's) ambitions would trump party loyalty every time. Their ambitions know no bounds, just ask long-time acquaintances like Web Hubbell or, if you could, Vince Foster. BTW, the smartest thing Kerry ever did was NOT selecting Hillary for the VP slot, because if he did and he went on to win the presidency, he'd know his life wouldn't be worth a plugged nickel. No, the more likely source would be Rove and *his* ilk. That's what's fishy to me, *if* they are forgeries, which isn't yet proven. Come off it, Dave. Even their liberal media brethren, like the Washington Post and ABC News, have concluded the documents are forgeries. What's bizarre is CBS' gullibility if this ends up being the case. A good "mark", by definition, is one eager to be conned. And ever since old man Bush gave Dan his come-uppance many years ago in a live interview, Rather has been *seething* for revenge. GeoSynch |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... We've already seen the absurdity of Robert Novak calling on CBS to reveal its sources. What is wrong with that? Novak refused to identify the source he used to expose Valerie Plame. They duped and used CBS. I don't see why CBS is beholden to them to protect their identity. Those preps are hoaxters and frauds. Sure, if it were a legitimate source, CBS should fight to withold the id. But the clown who is the CBS source gave up rights to protection by perpetrading a fraud upon CBS. I want to know who burned CBS, too. |
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![]() "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , "Clyde Slick" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... We've already seen the absurdity of Robert Novak calling on CBS to reveal its sources. What is wrong with that? Novak refused to identify the source he used to expose Valerie Plame. Being that he wasn't defrauded by the source, he should keep his source confidential. |
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![]() "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , "Clyde Slick" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... We've already seen the absurdity of Robert Novak calling on CBS to reveal its sources. What is wrong with that? Novak refused to identify the source he used to expose Valerie Plame. They duped and used CBS. I don't see why CBS is beholden to them to protect their identity. Those preps are hoaxters and frauds. Sure, if it were a legitimate source, CBS should fight to withold the id. But the clown who is the CBS source gave up rights to protection by perpetrading a fraud upon CBS. I want to know who burned CBS, too. They burned themselves by being so eager to attack Bush. |
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![]() "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "MINe 109" wrote in message ... We've already seen the absurdity of Robert Novak calling on CBS to reveal its sources. What is wrong with that? They duped and used CBS. I don't see why CBS is beholden to them to protect their identity. Those preps are hoaxters and frauds. Sure, if it were a legitimate source, CBS should fight to withold the id. But the clown who is the CBS source gave up rights to protection by perpetrading a fraud upon CBS. I think it's far more likely to be from the Kerry campaign than some plot by Karl Rove. |
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"ScottW" wrote in message
news:QdN1d.90376$yh.74553@fed1read05 ABC news just reported on the 6 PM news that 2 document analysts who were employed by CBS told CBS before the program aired that the documents had numerous problems and could not be authenticated. Also posted at: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/polit...Noted_Now.html which points to: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/I..._040914-1.html |
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![]() "ScottW" wrote in message news:QdN1d.90376$yh.74553@fed1read05... ABC news just reported on the 6 PM news that 2 document analysts who were employed by CBS told CBS before the program aired that the documents had numerous problems and could not be authenticated. They interviewed the analysts, one saying she e-mailed CBS the night before the broadcast warning them that if they went on the air with those documents, by Thursday morning they would be getting the same questions from hundreds of document analysts that she raised. One expert CBS quoted on Friday now says he could not authenticate any documents. He only looked at the signature. ABC also produced a typewriter expert who said that the IBM Selectric Composer (the most advanced typewriter at the time) could not produce those documents. The bloggers are now calling for Congressional hearings to find the source for the docs and determine if CBS is guilty of election altering fraud attempts. At this point, since CBS is not forthcoming, I think congressional hearings are in order. I have not heard anyone speculate that any sort of criminal investigation is underway, so I can think of no other body to take the lead on this. ScottW I DESPISE Congressional investigations. Politicians are incapable of truth- fully, honestly and competently investigating anything. |
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![]() "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... I DESPISE Congressional investigations. Politicians are incapable of truth- fully, honestly and competently investigating anything. I want to see Dan Rather squirming on TV in front of a Congressional Committee under oath. You won't get that kind of entertainment from the FBI or some Special Investigator. ScottW |
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:47:56 -0700, "ScottW"
wrote: "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... I DESPISE Congressional investigations. Politicians are incapable of truth- fully, honestly and competently investigating anything. I want to see Dan Rather squirming on TV in front of a Congressional Committee under oath. You won't get that kind of entertainment from the FBI or some Special Investigator. ScottW If it's a Rove operation, we won't likely be seeing that any time soon. |
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![]() "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "ScottW" wrote in message news:QdN1d.90376$yh.74553@fed1read05... ABC news just reported on the 6 PM news that 2 document analysts who were employed by CBS told CBS before the program aired that the documents had numerous problems and could not be authenticated. They interviewed the analysts, one saying she e-mailed CBS the night before the broadcast warning them that if they went on the air with those documents, by Thursday morning they would be getting the same questions from hundreds of document analysts that she raised. One expert CBS quoted on Friday now says he could not authenticate any documents. He only looked at the signature. ABC also produced a typewriter expert who said that the IBM Selectric Composer (the most advanced typewriter at the time) could not produce those documents. The bloggers are now calling for Congressional hearings to find the source for the docs and determine if CBS is guilty of election altering fraud attempts. At this point, since CBS is not forthcoming, I think congressional hearings are in order. I have not heard anyone speculate that any sort of criminal investigation is underway, so I can think of no other body to take the lead on this. ScottW I DESPISE Congressional investigations. Politicians are incapable of truth- fully, honestly and competently investigating anything. The only thing worse is "Blue Ribbon Committees" where Congress abdicates their job and passes it off to people no longer in office but just a partisan. |
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:50:40 -0700, "ScottW"
wrote: The bloggers are now calling for Congressional hearings to find the source for the docs and determine if CBS is guilty of election altering fraud attempts. At this point, since CBS is not forthcoming, I think congressional hearings are in order. I have not heard anyone speculate that any sort of criminal investigation is underway, so I can think of no other body to take the lead on this. This is a Karl Rove masterpiece: he'll be crowing about it in his memoirs. |
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![]() "GregP" wrote in message ... On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:50:40 -0700, "ScottW" wrote: The bloggers are now calling for Congressional hearings to find the source for the docs and determine if CBS is guilty of election altering fraud attempts. At this point, since CBS is not forthcoming, I think congressional hearings are in order. I have not heard anyone speculate that any sort of criminal investigation is underway, so I can think of no other body to take the lead on this. This is a Karl Rove masterpiece: he'll be crowing about it in his memoirs. And your evidence? What? You haven't "recreated" it yet? |
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![]() "GregP" wrote in message ... On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:50:40 -0700, "ScottW" wrote: The bloggers are now calling for Congressional hearings to find the source for the docs and determine if CBS is guilty of election altering fraud attempts. At this point, since CBS is not forthcoming, I think congressional hearings are in order. I have not heard anyone speculate that any sort of criminal investigation is underway, so I can think of no other body to take the lead on this. This is a Karl Rove masterpiece: he'll be crowing about it in his memoirs. What color is the sky in your world? |
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GregP wrote:
This is a Karl Rove masterpiece: he'll be crowing about it in his memoirs. As Zippy would be wont to say: "BWAH-HAH-HAH-HAH!!!!!!" GeoSynch |
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