I posted this elsewhere in response to another individual's
comments. However, I think it rates a separate thread all of
its own. Here goes:

I am sick and tired of reading know-nothing excuses that
laud "personal preference." Preference only matters and only
has validity when the reasons for it are intelligent.
Preference as favored by pinhead true believers insults any
intelligent individual, and, at least within audio circles,
turns preference into another word for ignorance.

This "preference" baloney, at least when it comes to joke
topics like amp "sound," or speaker wire, interconnect,
and/or power-cord "sound," or CD player "sound," or the
supposed aural superiority of tubes (SET types or
otherwise), or the supposed aural superiority of the LP
turntable, or the impact of various audio goofball
accessories like tip toes, clamp racks, Tice clocks,
whole-room power conditioners that do not even hook up to
the audio system, tuning dots, green ink, or disc
demagnetizers, has gotten completely out of hand. We are not
talking about preference in this case; we are talking about
lunacy.

The canonization of "preference" has turned serious audio
into a thoroughgoing mess and a bad joke among anyone with a
degree of mental stability. Because of the situation, the
hobby has attracted so many anti-intellectuals that many of
the smart people who were interested in the enterprise in
the past have thrown up their hands and given up. It is this
wide-scale mental debasement that has led to the decline of
high-end audio as something genuinely intelligent people
care about.

Howard Ferstler

Howard Ferstler wrote:

I posted this elsewhere in response to another individual's
comments. However, I think it rates a separate thread all of
its own. Here goes:

I am sick and tired of reading know-nothing excuses that
laud "personal preference." Preference only matters and only
has validity when the reasons for it are intelligent.
Preference as favored by pinhead true believers insults any
intelligent individual, and, at least within audio circles,
turns preference into another word for ignorance.

This "preference" baloney, at least when it comes to joke
topics like amp "sound," or speaker wire, interconnect,
and/or power-cord "sound," or CD player "sound," or the
supposed aural superiority of tubes (SET types or
otherwise), or the supposed aural superiority of the LP
turntable, or the impact of various audio goofball
accessories like tip toes, clamp racks, Tice clocks,
whole-room power conditioners that do not even hook up to
the audio system, tuning dots, green ink, or disc
demagnetizers, has gotten completely out of hand. We are not
talking about preference in this case; we are talking about
lunacy.

The canonization of "preference" has turned serious audio
into a thoroughgoing mess and a bad joke among anyone with a
degree of mental stability. Because of the situation, the
hobby has attracted so many anti-intellectuals that many of
the smart people who were interested in the enterprise in
the past have thrown up their hands and given up. It is this
wide-scale mental debasement that has led to the decline of
high-end audio as something genuinely intelligent people
care about.

Howard Ferstler

Oops, I spelled my name wrong on the subject line. Now
corrected.

Sander deWaal wrote:

Howard Ferstler said:

Oops, I spelled my name wrong on the subject line. Now
corrected.

At least you didn't plagiarize that part ;-)

At least I have published something, slick. The best you can
do is post claptrap on usenet. I'll bet you chant "I'm
published!" every time you hit the send key.

Howard Ferstler

Howard Ferstler, PAC, demented and hitting 200 on the old heart beat
meter noted:

Oops, I spelled my name wrong on the subject line. Now
corrected.

At least you didn't plagiarize that part ;-)

At least I have published something, slick. The best you can
do is post claptrap on usenet. I'll bet you chant "I'm
published!" every time you hit the send key.

Oh Howie, you should know!
It's my daily *affirmation* !

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

Sander deWaal wrote:

Howard Ferstler, PAC, demented and hitting 200 on the old heart beat
meter noted:

Oops, I spelled my name wrong on the subject line. Now
corrected.

At least you didn't plagiarize that part ;-)

At least I have published something, slick. The best you can
do is post claptrap on usenet. I'll bet you chant "I'm
published!" every time you hit the send key.

Oh Howie, you should know!
It's my daily *affirmation* !

And clearly the best you can do.

Howard Ferstler

Paul Dormer wrote:

Can't spell his own name!

Maybe he prefers to spell it wrongly.

--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t

Note that I caught the error only moments later, Clyde.

Say, Clyde, have I mentioned that The Encyclopedia of
Recorded Sound will be coming out this month? I am a major
contributor, by the way.

What have you published, Clyde?

Howard Ferstler

Howard Ferstler, PAC, ****ed off and now ready to explode, note, said:

Oh Howie, you should know!
It's my daily *affirmation* !

And clearly the best you can do.

Not all of us are as good with C&P as certain "published" authors I
know.
"At least" it's my own work, you will note.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

Sander deWaal wrote:

Howard Ferstler, PAC, ****ed off and now ready to explode, note, said:

Oh Howie, you should know!
It's my daily *affirmation* !

And clearly the best you can do.

Not all of us are as good with C&P as certain "published" authors I
know.
"At least" it's my own work, you will note.

Thought limited though it may indeed be. When was the last
time you posted something about audio that transcended
"preference" and wishful thinking and said something of
substance?

Howard Ferstler

"Howard Ferstler" wrote in message
...


you should "at least" spell your name correctly.

Howard Ferstler said:

Thought limited though it may indeed be. When was the last
time you posted something about audio that transcended
"preference" and wishful thinking and said something of
substance?

My audio advice is appreciated, even more so out there in the real
world than on Usenet.

Trust me.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

Paul Dormer wrote:

As I said not so long ago, I can't think of a *single thing* Howard
has taught me.

I am tempted to say that you merely have a short memory.
However, let's face it, the real truth is that you are
unteachable.

Howard Ferstler

Paul Dormer wrote:

"Howard Ferstler" emitted :

Can't spell his own name!

Maybe he prefers to spell it wrongly.

Note that I caught the error only moments later, Clyde.

Say, Clyde, have I mentioned that The Encyclopedia of
Recorded Sound will be coming out this month? I am a major
contributor, by the way.

What have you published, Clyde?

Programming and sound design for several commercial singles and albums
(one single reached No.1 in a European country). Composition and sound
design for various radio and TV commercials, computer games, theatre
productions, library material, animated cartoon and film projects.

Hope this helps...

PS this is just the audio stuff.

And cartoons; don't forget the cartoons.

Howard Ferstler

Sander deWaal wrote:

Howard Ferstler said:

Thought limited though it may indeed be. When was the last
time you posted something about audio that transcended
"preference" and wishful thinking and said something of
substance?

My audio advice is appreciated, even more so out there in the real
world than on Usenet.

Trust me.

Where in the "real world" do you make yourself known? Jeez,
I hope your advice to the initiates out there does not
involve claptrap about tube amps. No wonder high-end audio
is in trouble.

Howard Ferstler

"Paul Dormer" wrote in message


As I said not so long ago, I can't think of a *single thing* Howard
has taught me.

That's because you're unteachable, Dormer.

Know it all, and like that...

Howard Ferstler said:

Where in the "real world" do you make yourself known? Jeez,
I hope your advice to the initiates out there does not
involve claptrap about tube amps. No wonder high-end audio
is in trouble.

I'm not interested in a ****ing contest, but some of my articles were
published in a Dutch magazine called Audio & Techniek.
Also many technical pieces in some local papers.

I've done some recording and mastering of (yech!) jazzrock bands.
I've done PA and monitor work throughout all kinds of theaters and
music halls in the entire country.
I've done some designing and engineering for e.g. D&R (mixing
consoles), Sphinx (home audio), Solo Sound (speakers), Translator (
speakers).
I have contributed to better the designs of some models of Arcam,
Spectral and even Mark Levinson models in the '90s.
I have worked for many importers of audio gear here in Holland
(Audiac, More Music, Durob, Cadence, Siltech, Audioscript).
I have worked for many high end dealers (names are useless, since they
won't say you much).
I have installed countless stereo- and multi channel systems in homes,
both audio & video.

Not to mention the plethora of repairs and modifications I've done on
most known audio brands, both for dealers and private persons.

I have built over a dozen amplifiers that still exist and people are
still very happy with. That would include tubes, solid state and
hybrids.
I've built turntables, DACs, speakers, tuners.

I have worked for many high end dealers (names are useless, since they
won't say you much).

I *know* how to design amplifiers, DACs, RF circuits, power supplies,
electronics in general and a little about speakers.

I have experience in most other fields of electronics, like lighting
equipment (Avolight, Compulite, Strand, AVAB, Siemens).
I've designed lighting equipment for them, I've designed moving light
program shows for *real* theaters and shows.
I've hepled in designing the first Ducth commercial available
stage/scene computer, including motor drives.

I'm a musician as well, I've played with Candy Dulfer and her father
Hans and many other Dutch musicians (I've recorded them, too).
I've jammed with Billy Cobham and Mike Stern in Germany.
I've visited Chick Corea and John McLaughlin as a friend in Southern
France, and even jammed with them. On invitation.



I agree, it's not much compared to your 4 books, but "at least" it's
something.

Damn, this became a ****ing contest after all.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

"Sander deWaal" wrote in message
...

I'm a musician as well, I've played with Candy Dulfer and her father
Hans and many other Dutch musicians (I've recorded them, too).
I've jammed with Billy Cobham and Mike Stern in Germany.
I've visited Chick Corea and John McLaughlin as a friend in Southern
France, and even jammed with them. On invitation.


What instruments do you play?

"Clyde Slick" said:

What instruments do you play?

Piano (and synths) and bass guitar.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:13:39 -0400, Howard Ferstler
wrote:

Paul Dormer wrote:

"Howard Ferstler" emitted :

Can't spell his own name!

Maybe he prefers to spell it wrongly.

Note that I caught the error only moments later, Clyde.

Say, Clyde, have I mentioned that The Encyclopedia of
Recorded Sound will be coming out this month? I am a major
contributor, by the way.

What have you published, Clyde?

Programming and sound design for several commercial singles and albums
(one single reached No.1 in a European country). Composition and sound
design for various radio and TV commercials, computer games, theatre
productions, library material, animated cartoon and film projects.

Hope this helps...

PS this is just the audio stuff.

And cartoons; don't forget the cartoons.

Howard Ferstler

How can we forget you when you won't go away?

(apologies to Asleep At The Wheel)

Paul Dormer said:

"Howard Ferstler" emitted :

I am tempted to say that you merely have a short memory.
However, let's face it, the real truth is that you are
unteachable.


More to the point, you haven't said anything of any note, note.

Moreover, note, he needs 1000s of words to say nothing worth noting,
you will note.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

Paul Dormer said:

I've visited Chick Corea and John McLaughlin as a friend in Southern
France, and even jammed with them. On invitation.

Jamming with John McLaughlin.. what a treat!! He's one of the few
technical masters I enjoy listening to.. gotta lotta soul. Sometimes
he looks like he's going to devour or destroy his instrument he plays
with that much passion

He's a very friendly and even shy guy in real life, though.
Let me even do a solo .

Corea watched and laughed at my face expression while soloing :-)

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

Paul Dormer said:

I think he said something about centre speakers once.. but I must have
nodded off.

Someone ought to tell him that Usenet doesn't pay per word. note.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

Paul Dormer wrote:
"Sander deWaal" emitted :


I've visited Chick Corea and John McLaughlin as a friend in Southern
France, and even jammed with them. On invitation.


Jamming with John McLaughlin.. what a treat!! He's one of the few
technical masters I enjoy listening to.. gotta lotta soul. Sometimes
he looks like he's going to devour or destroy his instrument he plays
with that much passion

McLaughlin is a very kind guitarist except that he uses to play too
quick... :-|

Lionel said:

McLaughlin is a very kind guitarist except that he uses to play too
quick... :-|

I've seen him performing with Trilok Gurtu and a French bass player
(Dominic ....something). Amazing!
The power, the synergy.......I can still feel it!

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

Sander deWaal wrote:

Paul Dormer said:


I've visited Chick Corea and John McLaughlin as a friend in Southern
France, and even jammed with them. On invitation.


Jamming with John McLaughlin.. what a treat!! He's one of the few
technical masters I enjoy listening to.. gotta lotta soul. Sometimes
he looks like he's going to devour or destroy his instrument he plays
with that much passion


He's a very friendly and even shy guy in real life, though.
Let me even do a solo .

Corea watched and laughed at my face expression while soloing :-)


This summer at Vienne's Jazz festival I have seen an Italian saxo. tenor
aged of 15 jamming with :
- Joe Lovanno
- Hank Jones (!!!!!)
- George Mraz
I easily imagine why Corea was laughing ! :-)

Thank for sharing.

Lionel said:

Corea watched and laughed at my face expression while soloing :-)

This summer at Vienne's Jazz festival I have seen an Italian saxo. tenor
aged of 15 jamming with :
- Joe Lovanno
- Hank Jones (!!!!!)
- George Mraz

15???? Damned......imagine asking your mom if you may go play outside
with some jazz bobos :-)

I easily imagine why Corea was laughing ! :-)

It was about 10 years ago, I could only wish I was 15 then :-)

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

"Paul Dormer" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" emitted :

As I said not so long ago, I can't think of a *single thing* Howard
has taught me.

That's because you're unteachable, Dormer.

Know it all, and like that...

Except I've learnt a great many things from people on this group,
Sander, Marc, Graham, Bruce, Trevor.. too many to mention.

I was speaking of what would generally be considered to be useful
information, not how to make an ass of one's self in public.

Paul Dormer said:

He's a very friendly and even shy guy in real life, though.

He always seemed like a sweet spiritually yearning guy, from the
things I've seen and read about him. If he's shy that doesn't come
across when performing.

I've seen this from more musicians.
E.g. Herbie Hancock has the same, but his spiritualism is a just a
little bit too much, if you understand what I'm saying.

Corea watched and laughed at my face expression while soloing :-)

Were you gurning? ;-)

http://www.cumbria.uk.com/cumbria/fun/gurn.htm
http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-gur1.htm

Judging from the term, yes. Must still chase Corea in his worst
nightmares :-)
I can't see my own face when playing, however.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

"Paul Dormer" wrote in message

"Howard Ferstler" emitted :

Can't spell his own name!

Maybe he prefers to spell it wrongly.

Note that I caught the error only moments later, Clyde.

Say, Clyde, have I mentioned that The Encyclopedia of
Recorded Sound will be coming out this month? I am a major
contributor, by the way.

What have you published, Clyde?

Programming and sound design for several commercial singles and albums
(one single reached No.1 in a European country). Composition and sound
design for various radio and TV commercials, computer games, theatre
productions, library material, animated cartoon and film projects.

Hope this helps...

And an independent source that credits you with these accomplishments might
be....?

Sander deWaal wrote:
Lionel said:


Corea watched and laughed at my face expression while soloing :-)


This summer at Vienne's Jazz festival I have seen an Italian saxo. tenor
aged of 15 jamming with :
- Joe Lovanno
- Hank Jones (!!!!!)
- George Mraz


15???? Damned......imagine asking your mom if you may go play outside
with some jazz bobos :-)

15 ? She would have appreciated if at 15 I would have (only) playing jazz.

The more funny is that after a while Joe Lovanno has been "obliged" to
*push* the guy to place his part.



I easily imagine why Corea was laughing ! :-)


It was about 10 years ago, I could only wish I was 15 then :-)

When I was 17 I have played ONE time few guitar with some "dissidents"
of the British-French herd Gong... ;-)

Paul Dormer said:

I didn't know Hancock was that way inclined. TBH, my knowledge of
Hancock doesn't extend beyond "Rockit".

Shame on you!
1974 Headhunters was the start of the funk era!
There are dozens of albums after that.
You gotta like his way of playing, though.
He's on my all-time favourites list (guess what my playing's like ;-)

{I just read that Dave Holland and Chick Corea got in scientology.
What is it with these jazz dudes!}

Hancock and associates had African names in the '70s, like Mwbana etc.
They dropped that act pretty quick, though.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

Sander deWaal wrote:

Damn, this became a ****ing contest after all.

You still lose.

Howard Ferstler

Paul Dormer wrote:
"Sander deWaal" emitted :


I didn't know Hancock was that way inclined. TBH, my knowledge of
Hancock doesn't extend beyond "Rockit".

Shame on you!


Suggest an album and I'll try and redeem myself..


1974 Headhunters was the start of the funk era!


Is that a good thing?


There are dozens of albums after that.
You gotta like his way of playing, though.
He's on my all-time favourites list (guess what my playing's like ;-)


Les Dawson?

[Sorry.. I guess that means nothing to you.]


{I just read that Dave Holland and Chick Corea got in scientology.
What is it with these jazz dudes!}

Hancock and associates had African names in the '70s, like Mwbana etc.
They dropped that act pretty quick, though.


Probably seemed like a good idea at the time.. ;-)

You should start with Empyrean Isles, on which you will find the
well-knwon Cantaloupe Island that you have already eard 1000 times. ;-)
This album is dated 1964.
The personel is famous : Freddie Hubbard, Ron Carter, Tony Williams.

"Paul Dormer" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" emitted :

Can't spell his own name!

Maybe he prefers to spell it wrongly.

Note that I caught the error only moments later, Clyde.

Say, Clyde, have I mentioned that The Encyclopedia of
Recorded Sound will be coming out this month? I am a major
contributor, by the way.

What have you published, Clyde?

Programming and sound design for several commercial singles and
albums (one single reached No.1 in a European country). Composition
and sound design for various radio and TV commercials, computer
games, theatre productions, library material, animated cartoon and
film projects.

Hope this helps...

And an independent source that credits you with these
accomplishments might be....?

None of your business, that's correct.

Thanks for discrediting yourself again, Dormer.

Paul Dormer wrote:

"Lionel" emitted :


When I was 17 I have played ONE time few guitar with some "dissidents"
of the British-French herd Gong... ;-)


Did you share a pot of flying tea?

Only a few, at this time I had a strong preference for angels' eggs. :-)

Paul Dormer said:

Suggest an album and I'll try and redeem myself..

You could start with "Headhunters", then "secrets", then "Sunlight",
and the rest will follow.
He did much jazz work as well, starting in 1963 with Miles Davis .
He was 18 then!

1974 Headhunters was the start of the funk era!

Is that a good thing?

To me, yes!

He's on my all-time favourites list (guess what my playing's like ;-)

Les Dawson?

[Sorry.. I guess that means nothing to you.]

I'm afraid I don't know who that is, no.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

Howard Ferstler said:

Damn, this became a ****ing contest after all.

You still lose.

"At least" I have lost from a Professional :-)

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

From: Howard Ferstler
Date: 9/1/2004 10:26 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:



I posted this elsewhere in response to another individual's
comments. However, I think it rates a separate thread all of
its own. Here goes:

I am sick and tired of reading know-nothing excuses that
laud "personal preference."

Than perhaps you might want to consider not posting such excuses yourself.

Preference only matters and only
has validity when the reasons for it are intelligent.

But how can someone as dumb as you tell the difference?


Preference as favored by pinhead true believers insults any
intelligent individual, and, at least within audio circles,
turns preference into another word for ignorance.

Nice selfportait.



This "preference" baloney, at least when it comes to joke
topics like amp "sound," or speaker wire, interconnect,
and/or power-cord "sound," or CD player "sound," or the
supposed aural superiority of tubes (SET types or
otherwise), or the supposed aural superiority of the LP
turntable, or the impact of various audio goofball
accessories like tip toes, clamp racks, Tice clocks,
whole-room power conditioners that do not even hook up to
the audio system, tuning dots, green ink, or disc
demagnetizers, has gotten completely out of hand.

Some of it is silly some of it is legit. But then we know you like your
playback thouroughly processed and bounced off the walls of your listening
room. You have no grounds to whine about other people's preferences. At least
some of those people you whine about go to live concerts willingly.

We are not
talking about preference in this case; we are talking about
lunacy.

Only a jerk would say that.



The canonization of "preference" has turned serious audio
into a thoroughgoing mess and a bad joke among anyone with a
degree of mental stability.

So are you confessing to turning serious audio into a mess or are you
confessing to being mentally unstable?

Because of the situation, the
hobby has attracted so many anti-intellectuals that many of
the smart people who were interested in the enterprise in
the past have thrown up their hands and given up.

Only a nit wit would believe this. Seriously though, you think audiophiles are
giving up on audio because other audiophiles are buying certain products? That
is really goofy.


It is this
wide-scale mental debasement that has led to the decline of
high-end audio as something genuinely intelligent people
care about.

No, It is new,alternative hobbies that has led to the decline IMO. Besides,
high end is still very much in existance and in many ways it is doing better
than ever. I bet that ****es you off.

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 9/3/2004 10:12 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

"Paul Dormer" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" emitted :

As I said not so long ago, I can't think of a *single thing* Howard
has taught me.

That's because you're unteachable, Dormer.

Know it all, and like that...

Except I've learnt a great many things from people on this group,
Sander, Marc, Graham, Bruce, Trevor.. too many to mention.

I was speaking of what would generally be considered to be useful
information, not how to make an ass of one's self in public.









In all fairness, Howard taught us a nice lesson on that one. Just present
someone else's work as a proud example of your own work and get caught in the
lie. While I suppose most of us already knew that would be a good way to make
an ass of one's self he gave us a wonderful lesson by example. He left no doubt
about it.

From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 9/3/2004 10:18 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

"Paul Dormer" wrote in message

"Howard Ferstler" emitted :

Can't spell his own name!

Maybe he prefers to spell it wrongly.

Note that I caught the error only moments later, Clyde.

Say, Clyde, have I mentioned that The Encyclopedia of
Recorded Sound will be coming out this month? I am a major
contributor, by the way.

What have you published, Clyde?

Programming and sound design for several commercial singles and albums
(one single reached No.1 in a European country). Composition and sound
design for various radio and TV commercials, computer games, theatre
productions, library material, animated cartoon and film projects.

Hope this helps...

And an independent source that credits you with these accomplishments might
be....?








I guess you impressed Arny and ****ed him off at the same time.

Sander deWaal wrote:

Suggest an album and I'll try and redeem myself..

You could start with "Headhunters", then "secrets", then "Sunlight",
and the rest will follow.
He did much jazz work as well, starting in 1963 with Miles Davis .
He was 18 then!

I'll check 'em out. Ta.

Les Dawson?

[Sorry.. I guess that means nothing to you.]

I'm afraid I don't know who that is, no.

I may have a clip somewhere...