Clyde Slick wrote:


Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow, within
minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport. Mid air
collission, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.










Listening to vinyl on tubed electronics.



Bruce J. Richman

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
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Clyde Slick wrote:


Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow,
within
minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport. Mid air
collission, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.



Listening to vinyl on tubed electronics.


Watching Fox News on tubed tv.

Clyde Slick wrote:

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
...
Clyde Slick wrote:


Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow,
within
minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport. Mid air
collission, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.



Listening to vinyl on tubed electronics.


Watching Fox News on tubed tv.









Correct. That observation is absolutely "right".


Bruce J. Richman

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
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Clyde Slick wrote:

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
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Clyde Slick wrote:


Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow,
within
minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport. Mid air
collission, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.



Listening to vinyl on tubed electronics.


Watching Fox News on tubed tv.









Correct. That observation is absolutely "right".



update

from my tubed pc

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5810127/

in article , Clyde Slick at
wrote on 8/24/04 7:03 PM:

Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow, within
minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport. Mid air
collission, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.


It has been on CNN's website since the middle of the afternoon, and I
suspect they reported it on the news channel too. Maybe not as
"sensationally" as Faux--I mean Fox.

John Stone wrote:


in article , Clyde Slick at
wrote on 8/24/04 7:03 PM:

Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow, within
minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport. Mid air
collission, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.


It has been on CNN's website since the middle of the afternoon, and I
suspect they reported it on the news channel too. Maybe not as
"sensationally" as Faux--I mean Fox.









I think you got that 'right" the first time.


Bruce J. Richman

"John Stone" wrote in message
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in article , Clyde Slick at
wrote on 8/24/04 7:03 PM:

Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow,
within
minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport. Mid air
collission, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.


It has been on CNN's website since the middle of the afternoon, and I
suspect they reported it on the news channel too. Maybe not as
"sensationally" as Faux--I mean Fox.


where do you reside?
middle of afternoon WHERE?
it happened at 11PM GMT
5 Pm on the east coast

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...
Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow, within
minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport. Mid air
collission, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.

Autopilot system consisted of tubed electronics.
Improper bias setting caused planes to fly directly into the ground.
Russian EL34's implicated.

Robert Morein wrote:


"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...
Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow, within
minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport. Mid air
collission, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.

Autopilot system consisted of tubed electronics.
Improper bias setting caused planes to fly directly into the ground.
Russian EL34's implicated.









Prove it.



Bruce J. Richman

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
Robert Morein wrote:



"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...

Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow, within
minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport. Mid air
collission, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.


Autopilot system consisted of tubed electronics.
Improper bias setting caused planes to fly directly into the ground.
Russian EL34's implicated.










Prove it.

The Russian ones have had the common sens to avoid the skyscrapers. :-(

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message


Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow,
within minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport.
Mid air collision, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.

Not true at 8 pm EDT last night.

Two planes originating from the same airport go down within 3 minutes, but
100's of miles apart. One plane transmitted a signal indicating that it was
being hijacked. Witnesses say that one plane exploded in the air before
crashing.

The leading seemingly totally factual clues are the facts that the planes
originated from the same airport and went down within 3 minutes so far
apart.

It seems like the only remaining question is which terrorist group(s) are
responsible. Otherwise, we've got a candidate for the biggest coincidence of
the millennium.

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
...
Robert Morein wrote:


"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...
Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow,
within
minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport. Mid air
collission, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.

Autopilot system consisted of tubed electronics.
Improper bias setting caused planes to fly directly into the ground.
Russian EL34's implicated.

Prove it.



Bruce J. Richman

Richman, they obviously flew into the ground. Can't figure that one out,
Richman?

"Lionel" wrote in message
...
Bruce J. Richman wrote:
Robert Morein wrote:



"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...

Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow,
within
minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport. Mid air
collission, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.


Autopilot system consisted of tubed electronics.
Improper bias setting caused planes to fly directly into the ground.
Russian EL34's implicated.

Prove it.

The Russian ones have had the common sens to avoid the skyscrapers. :-(

What skyscrapers? They were probably aiming for a one-story building.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message


Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow,
within minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport.
Mid air collision, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.

Not true at 8 pm EDT last night.

Two planes originating from the same airport go down within 3 minutes, but
100's of miles apart. One plane transmitted a signal indicating that it
was
being hijacked. Witnesses say that one plane exploded in the air before
crashing.

The leading seemingly totally factual clues are the facts that the planes
originated from the same airport and went down within 3 minutes so far
apart.

It seems like the only remaining question is which terrorist group(s) are
responsible. Otherwise, we've got a candidate for the biggest coincidence
of
the millennium.

Prove it wasn't bad fuel out of the same tank.
The other pilot DID NOT trigger a hijack signal.
Therefore, the information contained in the alarm is zero.

You're really weak on this one, Arny.
If you had anything, you'd produce a quote or at least a body part from the
hijacker.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...
Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow,
within
minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport. Mid air
collission, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.

Autopilot system consisted of tubed electronics.
Improper bias setting caused planes to fly directly into the ground.
Russian EL34's implicated.



"sound's good"

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Clyde Slick" wrote in message


Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow,
within minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport.
Mid air collision, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.

Not true at 8 pm EDT last night.

Two planes originating from the same airport go down within 3 minutes, but
100's of miles apart. One plane transmitted a signal indicating that it
was
being hijacked. Witnesses say that one plane exploded in the air before
crashing.

The leading seemingly totally factual clues are the facts that the planes
originated from the same airport and went down within 3 minutes so far
apart.

It seems like the only remaining question is which terrorist group(s) are
responsible. Otherwise, we've got a candidate for the biggest coincidence
of
the millennium.


Not as big as the coincidence that your kiddie pron
suddenly is declared adult porn by the MSP, within three
minutes of your having been accusued of the crime
of storing kiddie porn on your hard drive.

in article , Clyde Slick at
wrote on 8/24/04 10:30 PM:


"John Stone" wrote in message
...
in article , Clyde Slick at
wrote on 8/24/04 7:03 PM:

Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow,
within
minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport. Mid air
collission, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.


It has been on CNN's website since the middle of the afternoon, and I
suspect they reported it on the news channel too. Maybe not as
"sensationally" as Faux--I mean Fox.


where do you reside?
middle of afternoon WHERE?
it happened at 11PM GMT
5 Pm on the east coast


Yup. There's that legendary Fox accuracy in reporting at work again. It
happened at 2300 local time, 1900 GMT, as reported by both CNN and BBC. I'm
in Chicago. That would be about 2PM local time for me. It was on the CNN
site within the hour. Maybe Fox's "Moscow correspondent" had his watch set
wrong

"Clyde Slick" said:

Improper bias setting caused planes to fly directly into the ground.
Russian EL34's implicated.

"sound's good"

I've had a customer recently with a Marshall geetah amp.
I put Sovtek EL34s skinnies in there some 3 years ago.
This guy has approx. 2 gigs a week and Marshalls run their tubes HOT!

The tubes still tested over 80 % on my AVO tester (and yes, it's
calibrated !) .

So don't anyone start about bad quality Russkies :-)

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

Robert Morein wrote:

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
...
Robert Morein wrote:


"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...
Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow,
within
minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport. Mid air
collission, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.

Autopilot system consisted of tubed electronics.
Improper bias setting caused planes to fly directly into the ground.
Russian EL34's implicated.

Prove it.



Bruce J. Richman

Richman, they obviously flew into the ground. Can't figure that one out,
Richman?










If iron knees killed. Morein, thanks for admitting you don't understand
areodynamics, Morein .

As if you even knew what the news report were all about, Morein. Ask somebody
to help you buy a clue, Morein.


..


Bruce J. Richman

Robert Morein wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Clyde Slick" wrote in message


Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow,
within minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport.
Mid air collision, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.

Not true at 8 pm EDT last night.

Two planes originating from the same airport go down within 3 minutes, but
100's of miles apart. One plane transmitted a signal indicating that it
was
being hijacked. Witnesses say that one plane exploded in the air before
crashing.

The leading seemingly totally factual clues are the facts that the planes
originated from the same airport and went down within 3 minutes so far
apart.

It seems like the only remaining question is which terrorist group(s) are
responsible. Otherwise, we've got a candidate for the biggest coincidence
of
the millennium.

Prove it wasn't bad fuel out of the same tank.

How would anyone be able to *prove* that from another continent ?

As it happens - 'jet engines' are very tolerant of fuel quality. Poor fuel may
not be good for engine life - but it's basically only kerosene.

'Bad fuel' also won't cause a plane to explode. Even if the engines 'flamed out'
you can glide even a modern jet quite effectively.

Recent example - Air Transat ovre the Atlantic - rather longer ago Air Canada
en-route domestic flight. Both planes landed successfully ( but not at their
intended destination ) with no loss of life. No idea why Canadian airlines are
so keen on this trick though.

The other pilot DID NOT trigger a hijack signal.
Therefore, the information contained in the alarm is zero.

You're really weak on this one, Arny.
If you had anything, you'd produce a quote or at least a body part from the
hijacker.

You want body parts ?


Graham

Sander deWaal wrote:

"Clyde Slick" said:

Improper bias setting caused planes to fly directly into the ground.
Russian EL34's implicated.

"sound's good"

I've had a customer recently with a Marshall geetah amp.
I put Sovtek EL34s skinnies in there some 3 years ago.
This guy has approx. 2 gigs a week and Marshalls run their tubes HOT!

The tubes still tested over 80 % on my AVO tester (and yes, it's
calibrated !) .

So don't anyone start about bad quality Russkies :-)

I've seen some Zaerix 6L6GCs go zero emission. Took some believing for all
4 to have gone but they sure did. That's more than 20 yrs ago though.


Graham

Pooh Bear said:

So don't anyone start about bad quality Russkies :-)

I've seen some Zaerix 6L6GCs go zero emission. Took some believing for all
4 to have gone but they sure did. That's more than 20 yrs ago though.

Zaerix was just a brand name, they got their valves from everywhere.
Could have been the USSR at the time you mention, but not likely IMO.
Most of their stock was RFT (DDR) at that time, and they were actually
good valves.
If you can read German, a very interesting piece on valve history can
be found he
http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de/
Click on "Rohren Geschichtiches".

BTW: how long did it take for those to go "zero emission"?
I've never seen this happen with power valves, actually. They might
get weak after many years, but *zero* ? Cathode blasted away?
Rectifiers, yes, like Carys with 1200 uF at the cathode of a GZ37!

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
...
Robert Morein wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Clyde Slick" wrote in message


Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow,
within minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport.
Mid air collision, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.

Not true at 8 pm EDT last night.

Two planes originating from the same airport go down within 3 minutes,
but
100's of miles apart. One plane transmitted a signal indicating that
it
was
being hijacked. Witnesses say that one plane exploded in the air
before
crashing.

The leading seemingly totally factual clues are the facts that the
planes
originated from the same airport and went down within 3 minutes so far
apart.

It seems like the only remaining question is which terrorist group(s)
are
responsible. Otherwise, we've got a candidate for the biggest
coincidence
of
the millennium.

Prove it wasn't bad fuel out of the same tank.

How would anyone be able to *prove* that from another continent ?

As it happens - 'jet engines' are very tolerant of fuel quality. Poor fuel
may
not be good for engine life - but it's basically only kerosene.

'Bad fuel' also won't cause a plane to explode. Even if the engines
'flamed out'
you can glide even a modern jet quite effectively.

Recent example - Air Transat ovre the Atlantic - rather longer ago Air
Canada
en-route domestic flight. Both planes landed successfully ( but not at
their
intended destination ) with no loss of life. No idea why Canadian airlines
are
so keen on this trick though.

The other pilot DID NOT trigger a hijack signal.
Therefore, the information contained in the alarm is zero.

You're really weak on this one, Arny.
If you had anything, you'd produce a quote or at least a body part from
the
hijacker.

You want body parts ?


Graham

Yes. Do you have any spares?

"John Stone" wrote in message
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in article , Clyde Slick at
wrote on 8/24/04 10:30 PM:


"John Stone" wrote in message
...
in article , Clyde Slick at
wrote on 8/24/04 7:03 PM:

Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of Moscow,
within
minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport. Mid air
collission, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.


It has been on CNN's website since the middle of the afternoon, and I
suspect they reported it on the news channel too. Maybe not as
"sensationally" as Faux--I mean Fox.


where do you reside?
middle of afternoon WHERE?
it happened at 11PM GMT
5 Pm on the east coast


Yup. There's that legendary Fox accuracy in reporting at work again.

Nope!!! got that from www.msnbc.com


It
happened at 2300 local time, 1900 GMT, as reported by both CNN and BBC.
I'm
in Chicago. That would be about 2PM local time for me. It was on the CNN
site within the hour. Maybe Fox's "Moscow correspondent" had his watch set
wrong


Nope, I got the times from www.msnbc.com
Not from Fox.

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
...


John Stone said:

Maybe Fox's "Moscow correspondent" had his watch set wrong

They're still not talking about terrorism, or even the cause of the
crashes. CNN has a quote from a bureaucrat: "The investigation is
focusing on possible fouled aviation fuel or pilot error". Could be
something like that. Stranger things have happened. What were the odds
Arnii Krooger would make it past 60 years of age and still not be locked
up for his crimes? ;-)


It could be something(s) else, but it looks like terrorism.
Two crashes, three minutes apart, almost on the hour.
One plane sent a hijack signal to controllers.
Bad fuel?? maybe, but how many other planse were fueled from
that batch? Did they experience problems? One plane made it
hundreds of miles, one plane was not up for long.
Weather, possible, but two crashes within three minutes?

The black boxes are recovered, so we will see how the
planes behaved before the crash/explosions.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message
...

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
...
Robert Morein wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Clyde Slick" wrote in message


Fox News reports that two Russian planes crashed outside of
Moscow,
within minutes of each other. They departed from the same airport.
Mid air collision, or terrorism?

CNN and MSNBC are silent on this item, so far.

Not true at 8 pm EDT last night.

Two planes originating from the same airport go down within 3
minutes,
but
100's of miles apart. One plane transmitted a signal indicating that
it
was
being hijacked. Witnesses say that one plane exploded in the air
before
crashing.

The leading seemingly totally factual clues are the facts that the
planes
originated from the same airport and went down within 3 minutes so
far
apart.

It seems like the only remaining question is which terrorist
group(s)
are
responsible. Otherwise, we've got a candidate for the biggest
coincidence
of
the millennium.

Prove it wasn't bad fuel out of the same tank.

How would anyone be able to *prove* that from another continent ?

As it happens - 'jet engines' are very tolerant of fuel quality. Poor
fuel
may
not be good for engine life - but it's basically only kerosene.

'Bad fuel' also won't cause a plane to explode. Even if the engines
'flamed out'
you can glide even a modern jet quite effectively.

Recent example - Air Transat ovre the Atlantic - rather longer ago Air
Canada
en-route domestic flight. Both planes landed successfully ( but not at
their
intended destination ) with no loss of life. No idea why Canadian
airlines
are
so keen on this trick though.

The other pilot DID NOT trigger a hijack signal.
Therefore, the information contained in the alarm is zero.

You're really weak on this one, Arny.
If you had anything, you'd produce a quote or at least a body part
from
the
hijacker.

You want body parts ?


Graham

Yes. Do you have any spares?



Sorry, he's only got one brain.
You'll have to look elsewhere.

Sander deWaal wrote:

Pooh Bear said:

So don't anyone start about bad quality Russkies :-)

I've seen some Zaerix 6L6GCs go zero emission. Took some believing for all
4 to have gone but they sure did. That's more than 20 yrs ago though.

Zaerix was just a brand name, they got their valves from everywhere.
Could have been the USSR at the time you mention, but not likely IMO.
Most of their stock was RFT (DDR) at that time, and they were actually
good valves.

Interesting.

Zaerix was the brand name of Z&I Aero Services Uk - over here at least. Most
of their components seemed to be of CCCP origin. Their power resistors even had
russian characters on them. Plate ceramics did too IIRC.

If you can read German,

A little.

a very interesting piece on valve history can
be found he
http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de/
Click on "Rohren Geschichtiches".

BTW: how long did it take for those to go "zero emission"?

I don't know for sure - but not long as in *years* IIRC.

To look at, the valves appeared fine and pretty new.

I've never seen this happen with power valves, actually. They might
get weak after many years, but *zero* ? Cathode blasted away?
Rectifiers, yes, like Carys with 1200 uF at the cathode of a GZ37!

I really don't know what caused them to fail. They *looked* fine. Just didn't
conduct any current ! Heaters glowed nicely ! Most odd.

Graham