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Noise Reduction in Real Time
I am using Sound Forge 7 and Noise Redux 2 from Sony to clean up LP. It
works fairly well. But I want more... I want to use this filter in real time so I don't have to record the LP first. There is no way to do this with SF or with Nero or with Sony EZ Audio Restore. I was hoping somebody would know of an application that does this like the old cedar system did. It would be a computerized SAE or KLH equivalent... Any ideas? Carl |
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"Carl Valle" wrote in message
I am using Sound Forge 7 and Noise Redux 2 from Sony to clean up LP. It works fairly well. But I want more... I want to use this filter in real time so I don't have to record the LP first. This is one of the real killers for people who are still holding onto their outdated realtime CD recorders. The available signal processing is extremely limited, not to mention very costly. There is no way to do this with SF or with Nero or with Sony EZ Audio Restore. Or Audition or any of the other common tools people use to transcribe LPs. I was hoping somebody would know of an application that does this like the old cedar system did. It would be a computerized SAE or KLH equivalent... Any ideas? http://www.elec.uq.edu.au/~reports/y...7/wesslibm.pdf http://www.audiotools.com/noise.html (under single-ended noise reduction) A parametric equalizer A graphic equalizer A dynamics processor (especially the noise gate facility that these have). |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message news  "Carl Valle" wrote in message I am using Sound Forge 7 and Noise Redux 2 from Sony to clean up LP. It works fairly well. But I want more... I want to use this filter in real time so I don't have to record the LP first. This is one of the real killers for people who are still holding onto their outdated realtime CD recorders. The available signal processing is extremely limited, not to mention very costly. I have all my outdated equipment I see no need to toss it just yet. besides it makes bit perfect legal copies of audio CD's and DAT tape which I use for live recording now. I agree that the signal processing can be costly. There is no way to do this with SF or with Nero or with Sony EZ Audio Restore. Or Audition or any of the other common tools people use to transcribe LPs. I was hoping somebody would know of an application that does this like the old cedar system did. It would be a computerized SAE or KLH equivalent... Any ideas? http://www.elec.uq.edu.au/~reports/y...7/wesslibm.pdf I read the piece but the author says he couldn't implement the system he described. It also only deals with hiss not clicks and pops. http://www.audiotools.com/noise.html (under single-ended noise reduction) All of these analog systems are well known. I own the dbx and the SAE and they are quite incomplete when compared to what SF can do. A parametric equalizer A graphic equalizer Equalizer changes the music content and is not suitable as a noise reduction unit. A dynamics processor (especially the noise gate facility that these have). I have both a dbx and a behringer but they only reduce noise when there is no signal present. They also over-react to pops and make the noise worse not better. I have a Burwen 1201A which is a much more sophisticated noise gate but again it does nothing about pops and clicks and does not do anything to the noise signature when high frequency music is processed. It pumps just like any other noise gate. Actually, I am working on a method to use the Sound Forge NR2 plug in as a real time processor. I found a Application that can do this I think. I will let you know. Carl |
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"Carl Valle" emitted :
Actually, I am working on a method to use the Sound Forge NR2 plug in as a real time processor. I found a Application that can do this I think. I will let you know. Steinbergs Declick and Denoise plugins (and SF NR plug) work well in realtime if you don't aim too high. I used this combination a while back with a 20bit A/D soundcard, outputting the results to minidisc via SP/DIF. Got through a few hundred records this way, taking a couple of minutes at the start of each record to take noise prints, optimizing settings and levels in Live Monitor mode. Then it was just a case of cueing and recording the throughput. The results were very good. -- S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t |
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Paul Dormer wrote:
"Carl Valle" emitted : Actually, I am working on a method to use the Sound Forge NR2 plug in as a real time processor. I found a Application that can do this I think. I will let you know. Steinbergs Declick and Denoise plugins (and SF NR plug) work well in realtime if you don't aim too high. I used this combination a while back with a 20bit A/D soundcard, outputting the results to minidisc via SP/DIF. Got through a few hundred records this way, taking a couple of minutes at the start of each record to take noise prints, optimizing settings and levels in Live Monitor mode. Then it was just a case of cueing and recording the throughput. The results were very good. -- S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t I hope those plugins had nothing to do with Gene Steinberg (aka Steinborg aka Steindrone). As far as RAO was concerned, he got declicked and denoised a long time ago  .Bruce J. Richman |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message ... Paul Dormer wrote: "Carl Valle" emitted : Actually, I am working on a method to use the Sound Forge NR2 plug in as a real time processor. I found a Application that can do this I think. I will let you know. Steinbergs Declick and Denoise plugins (and SF NR plug) work well in realtime if you don't aim too high. I used this combination a while back with a 20bit A/D soundcard, outputting the results to minidisc via SP/DIF. Got through a few hundred records this way, taking a couple of minutes at the start of each record to take noise prints, optimizing settings and levels in Live Monitor mode. Then it was just a case of cueing and recording the throughput. The results were very good. -- S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t I hope those plugins had nothing to do with Gene Steinberg (aka Steinborg aka Steindrone). As far as RAO was concerned, he got declicked and denoised a long time ago .Gratuitous, unprofessional, personal insult noted. |
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"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... I hope those plugins had nothing to do with Gene Steinberg (aka Steinborg aka Steindrone). As far as RAO was concerned, he got declicked and denoised a long time ago .Gratuitous, unprofessional, personal insult noted. Was Steinburg the guy who wrote the book "Attack of Duh Mikeys"? |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... I hope those plugins had nothing to do with Gene Steinberg (aka Steinborg aka Steindrone). As far as RAO was concerned, he got declicked and denoised a long time ago .Gratuitous, unprofessional, personal insult noted. Was Steinburg the guy who wrote the book "Attack of Duh Mikeys"? No, just another guy with enough active neurons to understand the basic of audio electronics, so naturally, he was despised by the "normals." |
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Clyde Slick wrote:
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message link.net... I hope those plugins had nothing to do with Gene Steinberg (aka Steinborg aka Steindrone). As far as RAO was concerned, he got declicked and denoised a long time ago .Gratuitous, unprofessional, personal insult noted. Was Steinburg the guy who wrote the book "Attack of Duh Mikeys"? I don't know. The author could be any one of numerous people that DM has lied about, defamed, and libeled during his 7 year history of verbal abuse and pathological lying on RAO. As usual, McKelvy is stupidly wrong and lying to promote his hatemongering agenda. His blatant hypocrisy re. insults is also noted. for the following reasons: (1) He failed to note the smiley emoticon at the end of the comments re. Steinberg. While he claims to engage in "satire" and "humor" while ridiculing others to rationalize some of his personal attacks, he hypocritically mislabels humor clearly indicated by a smiley emoticon as an attack. Just typical of his double standard based hypocrisy and deceptive posting. (2) The Google record *does* indicate that some RAO posters referred to Gene Steinberg as either Steinborg or Steindrone. McKelvy has a documented history of perverting peoples' names and making new ones for them that are much more insulting. Therefore, his complaint here simply reveals hyporcrisy. (3) McKelvy once again tries to lie about "professional behavior" on RAO. Since RAO is an audio hobbyist forum, and not any type of professional activity, his nonsensical complaints re. professional behavior are both inappropriate and irrelevant. (4) The Google record will also indicate that while Gene Steinberg and I had some differences of opinion, resulting in Steinberg comitting some pretty blatant falsehoods re. me., our differences were successfully resolved. Mr. Steinberg discussed our differences privately via private email and telephone. As a result, Gene published a retraction in RAO of any and all things he had said about my professional identity, activities. etc. Mr. Steinberg, therefore, did the honorable thing and publicly acknowledged that his defamatory statements were false. He did this on RAO. (5) Unlike Mr. Steinberg, McKelvy does not have the integrity or honesty to find out the facts, and continues to engage in a series of lies about this writer on an almost daily basis. (6) The humorous comments about Mr. Steinberg being "denoised and declicked' was simply a play on words taken directly from Paul Dormer's original comments about a fellow named Steinberg. Gene Steinberg *did* decide to stop posting in RAO, presumably in response to many posts that criticized him. |
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"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message hlink.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... I hope those plugins had nothing to do with Gene Steinberg (aka Steinborg aka Steindrone). As far as RAO was concerned, he got declicked and denoised a long time ago .Gratuitous, unprofessional, personal insult noted. Was Steinburg the guy who wrote the book "Attack of Duh Mikeys"? No, just another guy with enough active neurons to understand the basic of audio electronics, so naturally, he was despised by the "normals." "Normals" like audio for listening to and enjoying music. Your type likes audio as a platform for technical dick measuring contests. That's not our game.. |
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Clyde Slick wrote:
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message thlink.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... I hope those plugins had nothing to do with Gene Steinberg (aka Steinborg aka Steindrone). As far as RAO was concerned, he got declicked and denoised a long time ago .Gratuitous, unprofessional, personal insult noted. Was Steinburg the guy who wrote the book "Attack of Duh Mikeys"? No, just another guy with enough active neurons to understand the basic of audio electronics, so naturally, he was despised by the "normals." "Normals" like audio for listening to and enjoying music. Your type likes audio as a platform for technical dick measuring contests. That's not our game.. Very well stated. Gene Steinberg's primary occupation was as a writer for various computer magazines. Bruce J. Richman |
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Clyde Slick a écrit :
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message hlink.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message thlink.net... I hope those plugins had nothing to do with Gene Steinberg (aka Steinborg aka Steindrone). As far as RAO was concerned, he got declicked and denoised a long time ago .Gratuitous, unprofessional, personal insult noted. Was Steinburg the guy who wrote the book "Attack of Duh Mikeys"? No, just another guy with enough active neurons to understand the basic of audio electronics, so naturally, he was despised by the "normals." "Normals" like audio for listening to and enjoying music. Your type likes audio as a platform for technical dick measuring contests. That's not our game.. IMHO some of the "Normals" also likes audio as a platform for money dick measuring contests. I don't like this game.. |
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"Lionel" wrote in message ... Clyde Slick a écrit : "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message hlink.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message thlink.net... I hope those plugins had nothing to do with Gene Steinberg (aka Steinborg aka Steindrone). As far as RAO was concerned, he got declicked and denoised a long time ago .Gratuitous, unprofessional, personal insult noted. Was Steinburg the guy who wrote the book "Attack of Duh Mikeys"? No, just another guy with enough active neurons to understand the basic of audio electronics, so naturally, he was despised by the "normals." "Normals" like audio for listening to and enjoying music. Your type likes audio as a platform for technical dick measuring contests. That's not our game.. IMHO some of the "Normals" also likes audio as a platform for money dick measuring contests. I don't like this game.. Nor do I, but I don't see it here. Us "normals" aran't exactly a buch of rich fat cats. We don't have $15,000 amplifiers, $25,000 speakers, $10,000 cd transport/DACs. The most anyone might brag on here is a pair of $5,000 Quads. My most expensive audio item is a used pair of Vandersteen 4's that cost $1,900. |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message hlink.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... I hope those plugins had nothing to do with Gene Steinberg (aka Steinborg aka Steindrone). As far as RAO was concerned, he got declicked and denoised a long time ago .Gratuitous, unprofessional, personal insult noted. Was Steinburg the guy who wrote the book "Attack of Duh Mikeys"? No, just another guy with enough active neurons to understand the basic of audio electronics, so naturally, he was despised by the "normals." "Normals" like audio for listening to and enjoying music. Your type likes audio as a platform for technical dick measuring contests. That's not our game.. Actually we like listening to music as well, we just don't want our friends and neighbors to waste money on things that don't improve the sound. |
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"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message k.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message hlink.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... I hope those plugins had nothing to do with Gene Steinberg (aka Steinborg aka Steindrone). As far as RAO was concerned, he got declicked and denoised a long time ago .Gratuitous, unprofessional, personal insult noted. Was Steinburg the guy who wrote the book "Attack of Duh Mikeys"? No, just another guy with enough active neurons to understand the basic of audio electronics, so naturally, he was despised by the "normals." "Normals" like audio for listening to and enjoying music. Your type likes audio as a platform for technical dick measuring contests. That's not our game.. Actually we like listening to music as well, we just don't want our friends and neighbors to waste money on things that don't improve the sound. That is exactly what we are complaining about regarding the objectivists. They want to force their opinions upon the rest of us. It's an anti-choice agenda. Look, its just NOT YOUR CALL. Get it? |
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Art wrote:
"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message nk.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message hlink.net... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net... I hope those plugins had nothing to do with Gene Steinberg (aka Steinborg aka Steindrone). As far as RAO was concerned, he got declicked and denoised a long time ago .Gratuitous, unprofessional, personal insult noted. Was Steinburg the guy who wrote the book "Attack of Duh Mikeys"? No, just another guy with enough active neurons to understand the basic of audio electronics, so naturally, he was despised by the "normals." "Normals" like audio for listening to and enjoying music. Your type likes audio as a platform for technical dick measuring contests. That's not our game.. Actually we like listening to music as well, we just don't want our friends and neighbors to waste money on things that don't improve the sound. That is exactly what we are complaining about regarding the objectivists. They want to force their opinions upon the rest of us. It's an anti-choice agenda. Look, its just NOT YOUR CALL. Get it? Agreed. Their arrogance and presumptuousness in trying to impose their quasi-religious audio beliefs on others is reminiscent of the propaganda and lack of tolerance for others described in novels like "1984". They should mind their own business. Bruce J. Richman |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message ... Clyde Slick said: Actually we like listening to music as well, we just don't want our friends and neighbors to waste money on things that don't improve the sound. That is exactly what we are complaining about regarding the objectivists. They want to force their opinions upon the rest of us. It's an anti-choice agenda. Yes indeed, that is a repulsive attitude, but it's not an "objectivist" one. It's a 'borg one. Yes, I do understand the distinction. |
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"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
k.net Actually we like listening to music as well, we just don't want our friends and neighbors to waste money on things that don't improve the sound. Given all the tricks and lies the normals try to pull on RAO, there's no doubt that they count every wasted cent of their friends and neighbor's money to *fun*. |
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Arny said:
Given all the tricks and lies the normals try to pull on RAO, there's no doubt that they count every wasted cent of their friends and neighbor's money to *fun*. That's incredibly incoherent. You ARE crazy. Boon |
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George M. middius wrote:
Marc Phillips said to Krooger: Given all the tricks and lies the normals try to That's incredibly incoherent. You ARE crazy. No doubt Krooger is crazy. But he did just admit he's abnormal. Even people that suffer from long term psychotic disorders have brief moments of lucidity from time to time. Bruce J. Richman |
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S888Wheel wrote:
From: "Arny Krueger" Date: 8/27/2004 6:22 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: "Michael McKelvy" wrote in message ink.net Actually we like listening to music as well, we just don't want our friends and neighbors to waste money on things that don't improve the sound. Given all the tricks and lies the normals try to pull on RAO, there's no doubt that they count every wasted cent of their friends and neighbor's money to *fun*. Do you know what "fun" is? There are so many kinds of "fun" some are sane some a little bit more "guilty"... Recently I must awov that I had a lost of fun as spectator of a defeat in a lawsuit. Stupid no ? Note that I have bet on the winner of the so-called lawsuit... This explains that. |
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