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In a recent issue of The Sensible Sound I reviewed the Rane
THX-44 equalizer. In an earlier issue I had also reviewed the THX-22 version. I would love to have some feedback regarding these two components. Howard Ferstler |
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El Swipo said:
In a recent issue of The Sensible Sound I reviewed the Rane THX-44 equalizer. In an earlier issue I had also reviewed the THX-22 version. I would love to have some feedback regarding these two components. Was there any plagiarism involved in either article? GeoSynch |
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GeoSynch wrote:
El Swipo said: In a recent issue of The Sensible Sound I reviewed the Rane THX-44 equalizer. In an earlier issue I had also reviewed the THX-22 version. I would love to have some feedback regarding these two components. Was there any plagiarism involved in either article? GeoSynch Have you anything intelligent or productive to say about those equalizers? You appear to be another RAO know nothing; one who substitutes sophomoric remarks for genuine knowledge concerning audio. I checked through some of your older posts and at best all I could find of any that dealt with audio were some shopping comments about LP turntables - a borderline defunct technology. You need to get out more. Howard Ferstler |
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GeoSynch wrote:
Howard squawked: You need to get out more. ... said the shut-in. GeoSynch Look, moron, why don't you pass on the insults and start posting information (or even questions) about audio. Your behavior now sets you up as your own worst enemy. Howard Ferstler |
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"George M. Middius" wrote:
Horace Fecklebeans screeched: I checked through some of your older posts How sad that you're obsessed with Usenet posts, as if they were somehow a barometer of a person's audio knowledge. BTW, real writers don't just understand irony, they relish using it to make their points more poignantly. And Middius, when was the last time you posted anything about audio? Anything at all. I mean, you never even post dumb-ass audio information, let along stuff that means something. If you want to rebut Arny and me and undermine our supposed authority, why not post intelligent and meaningful information that contradicts what we say about audio? Nope, not you. Rather, you continue to behave as a buffoon. And you nitwits wonder why high-end audio is losing ground. It is losing ground because of you guys. No serious individuals take you seriously, and high-end manufacturers produce products that cater to tastes built around ignorance and fat wallets. Howard Ferstler |
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I wrote:
Howard squawked: You need to get out more. ... said the shut-in. BTW, your research capabilities are as arthritic as your prose: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:...mailer.fsu.edu GeoSynch |
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GeoSynch wrote:
El Swipo said: In a recent issue of The Sensible Sound I reviewed the Rane THX-44 equalizer. In an earlier issue I had also reviewed the THX-22 version. I would love to have some feedback regarding these two components. Was there any plagiarism involved in either article? GeoSynch Was all the stolen material equalized? Bruce J. Richman |
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Howie whined:
Look, moron, why don't you pass on the insults and start posting information (or even questions) about audio. Ok, here's a question: what percentage of your published work is plagiarized and what percentage is not plagiarized? GeoSynch |
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Bruce J. Richman wrote:
GeoSynch wrote: El Swipo said: In a recent issue of The Sensible Sound I reviewed the Rane THX-44 equalizer. In an earlier issue I had also reviewed the THX-22 version. I would love to have some feedback regarding these two components. Was there any plagiarism involved in either article? Was all the stolen material equalized? Yeah, it was clumsily run through the Ferstler Veg-o-matic, but, alas, it didn't get sliced-and-diced enough to fool anybody. GeoSynch |
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![]() "Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... ...... high-end manufacturers produce products that cater to tastes built around ignorance and fat wallets. everyone knows that stupid people earn more money. |
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GeoSynch wrote:
Howard squawked: You need to get out more. ... said the shut-in. GeoSynch Not only a shut-in, but a promoter of libel and disinformation about others - which he glorifies and praises in his fellow sociopathic liar, Krueger. These 2 deserve each other. Bruce J. Richman |
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GeoSynch wrote:
Bruce J. Richman wrote: GeoSynch wrote: El Swipo said: In a recent issue of The Sensible Sound I reviewed the Rane THX-44 equalizer. In an earlier issue I had also reviewed the THX-22 version. I would love to have some feedback regarding these two components. Was there any plagiarism involved in either article? Was all the stolen material equalized? Yeah, it was clumsily run through the Ferstler Veg-o-matic, but, alas, it didn't get sliced-and-diced enough to fool anybody. GeoSynch Howierd's middle name is Ronco. Bruce J. Richman |
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![]() "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message ... GeoSynch wrote: Howard squawked: You need to get out more. ... said the shut-in. GeoSynch Not only a shut-in, but a promoter of libel and disinformation about others - which he glorifies and praises in his fellow sociopathic liar, Krueger. These 2 deserve each other. Bruce J. Richman Howard the Hack The only part of his alleged writing that isn't plagarized is his constant remarks about how high end is dead. Yet he keeps on hacking on about it... It surely is true that high end died for Howard! Question is who cares and who needs his diatribe. Carl |
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![]() "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message ... Howierd's middle name is Ronco. Bruce J. Richman Yeah and his writing certainly qualifies as the "Pocket Fisherman!" Carl |
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![]() "Howard Ferstler" wrote in message ... In a recent issue of The Sensible Sound I reviewed the Rane THX-44 equalizer. In an earlier issue I had also reviewed the THX-22 version. I would love to have some feedback regarding these two components. Howard Ferstler They're alright. You can quote me, with proper attribution. |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
Not only a shut-in, but a promoter of libel and disinformation about others - which he glorifies and praises in his fellow sociopathic liar, Krueger. Whatya call a purported health care professional who doesn't know that the major mental health facility he referenced has been closed for upwards of 7 years? Bruce Richman! |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:06:36 -0400, Howard Ferstler
wrote: In a recent issue of The Sensible Sound I reviewed the Rane THX-44 equalizer. In an earlier issue I had also reviewed the THX-22 version. I would love to have some feedback regarding these two components. Howard Ferstler If you claim that you're going to use RAO as fodder for an article as to why such newsgroups are helping further the demise of high end audio, why do you think that anyone would be stupid enough to give you the ammunition. You must think that people around here are as dumb as you. |
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"Howard Ferstler" wrote in message
In a recent issue of The Sensible Sound I reviewed the Rane THX-44 equalizer. In an earlier issue I had also reviewed the THX-22 version. I would love to have some feedback regarding these two components. Rane equipment is generally well-engineered and well-built. I have quite a bit of it. I think I started out with a ME60, and it performed will in a home environment. The schematic of a THX-44 can be downloaded from http://www.rane.com/pdf/thx44sch.pdf My own take on the THX-44 is that I want to compare it to Rane equipment I own like the PE15 parametric and the ME30 GE30, and ME60 1/3 octave equalizers that I own. Compared to them, the phrase "Dumbed down for consumers" comes to mind. BTW, the Rane equipment I own generally seems to want to last forever. In the rare event it breaks down, its generally easy to repair. The schematics are online, and the chassis are spacious and easy to access. Of the dozen or so Rane pieces I've owned going back to the 1980's, I have only had to replace a voltage regulator chip in one of them, and that was just recently. It was a standard off-the shelf part, and replacement took less than an hour. At this time Rane equipment is kinda pricey, except perhaps as compared to high end audio. The obvious question in my mind is how does the PE15S, PE15, PE17, ME30 and ME60 shape up functionally, performance-wise, and economically as compared to say, the far less costly similar Behringer pieces. Behringer has historically been the brand that people love to hate, but a number of products in their current product line are well-respected. I also own a Behr PEQ 2200, and have checked it out pretty thoroughly and it generally outperforms the PE15 I compared it to. I don't know how the Behr equipment will last (only time will tell), but it retails for a fraction of Rane prices, is readily available, and can often be found on eBay. I think I paid about $75 for the PEQ in like-new condition in the box with manual. In contrast, PE15s have cost me like $150 used in the past. |
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Subject: Equalizers
From: "Arny Krueger" Date: 8/12/2004 5:16 AM Central Daylight Time Message-id: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Not only a shut-in, but a promoter of libel and disinformation about others - which he glorifies and praises in his fellow sociopathic liar, Krueger. Whatya call a purported health care professional who doesn't know that the major mental health facility he referenced has been closed for upwards of 7 years? Bruce Richman! I prefer to call him "Dr. Quackenbush". ;-) |
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torresists wrote:
Subject: Equalizers From: "Arny Krueger" Date: 8/12/2004 5:16 AM Central Daylight Time Message-id: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Not only a shut-in, but a promoter of libel and disinformation about others - which he glorifies and praises in his fellow sociopathic liar, Krueger. Whatya call a purported health care professional who doesn't know that the major mental health facility he referenced has been closed for upwards of 7 years? Bruce Richman! I prefer to call him "Dr. Quackenbush". ;-) So sayeth the anonymous McKelvy sockpuppet and Krueger clone. Now he can go back in the toilet bowl he shares with Krueger. Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D. Licensed Psychologist PY 2543 |
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Subject: Equalizers
From: (Bruce J. Richman) Date: 8/12/2004 7:42 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Quackenbush is just as stupid as our favorite fat, juicy California banana slug, but much more arrogant: ;-) torresists wrote: Subject: Equalizers From: "Arny Krueger" Date: 8/12/2004 5:16 AM Central Daylight Time Message-id: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Not only a shut-in, but a promoter of libel and disinformation about others - which he glorifies and praises in his fellow sociopathic liar, Krueger. Whatya call a purported health care professional who doesn't know that the major mental health facility he referenced has been closed for upwards of 7 years? Bruce Richman! I prefer to call him "Dr. Quackenbush". ;-) So sayeth the anonymous McKelvy sockpuppet and Krueger clone. Now he can go back in the toilet bowl he shares with Krueger. Do you enjoy playing the ass on RAO, Quack-o? ;-)) Bruce J. Richman, Piles it High. UnLicensed Psychologist, certified psychopath OY 2543 |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
torresists wrote: Subject: Equalizers From: "Arny Krueger" Date: 8/12/2004 5:16 AM Central Daylight Time Message-id: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Not only a shut-in, but a promoter of libel and disinformation about others - which he glorifies and praises in his fellow sociopathic liar, Krueger. Whatya call a purported health care professional who doesn't know that the major mental health facility he referenced has been closed for upwards of 7 years? Bruce Richman! I prefer to call him "Dr. Quackenbush". ;-) So sayeth the anonymous McKelvy sockpuppet and Krueger clone. Now he can go back in the toilet bowl he shares with Krueger. Hey Bruce, why don't you give us some lame excuse for your time warp? |
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![]() "Howard Ferstler" wrote In a recent issue of The Sensible Sound I reviewed the Rane THX-44 equalizer. In an earlier issue I had also reviewed the THX-22 version. Analog equalizers in high end audio (stereo) are generally a waste of time and money. Thirty-one pots only serve to dull out microdynamics and articulation of the human voice. Many of the high quality pre-amps manufactured over the last 20 years come without any bass or treble control whatsoever, for this reason. |
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torresist demonstrates his delusions:
Subject: Equalizers From: (Bruce J. Richman) Date: 8/12/2004 7:42 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Quackenbush is just as stupid as our favorite fat, juicy California banana slug, but much more arrogant: ;-) torresists wrote: Subject: Equalizers From: "Arny Krueger" Date: 8/12/2004 5:16 AM Central Daylight Time Message-id: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Not only a shut-in, but a promoter of libel and disinformation about others - which he glorifies and praises in his fellow sociopathic liar, Krueger. Whatya call a purported health care professional who doesn't know that the major mental health facility he referenced has been closed for upwards of 7 years? Bruce Richman! I prefer to call him "Dr. Quackenbush". ;-) So sayeth the anonymous McKelvy sockpuppet and Krueger clone. Now he can go back in the toilet bowl he shares with Krueger. Do you enjoy playing the ass on RAO, Quack-o? ;-)) Bruce J. Richman, Piles it High. UnLicensed Psychologist, certified psychopath OY 2543 (psychotic blather snipped because of basic lack of reality contact Afraid tro identify yourself, whacko? The antipsychotics aren't working very well for you, are they? Your idiocy amuses just about everybody but you. ROFLMAO !!! Bye, bye - poster boy for euthanasia. LOL !!! Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D. Licensed Psychologist PY 2543 (Fllorida) (now expected autistic response from RAO's highly conditioned anonywhacko, torresists - let out on a weekend pass from a mental hospital, no doubt) LOL !!! (Lionel & Krueger say "the checks in the mail") LOL !!! Bruce J. Richman |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
snip of demented encouragement of sockpuppets by Krueger And your evidence for 7 years of misidentifying my identity, credentials, and professional activities is, :Krueger? How about trying to justify 7 years of libelous misidentifications of professional identities on RAO, libeler? No doubt, you'll try and lie your way out of this one also. That's all you know how to do. Krueger will either snip and delete the above, ignore it, or attempt make bizarre excuses Don't forget to publish your claims in an American print publication, Krueger. Have you notified the legal authorities in Florida about the person impersonating Dr.Richman? What are you waiting for? I've already alerted both my attornies and several law enforcement officers I know to be sure and give you all the ":help" you need. LOL !!!! Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.\ Licensed Psychologist PY 2543 (Florida) Bruce J. Richman |
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Powell wrote:
"Howard Ferstler" wrote In a recent issue of The Sensible Sound I reviewed the Rane THX-44 equalizer. In an earlier issue I had also reviewed the THX-22 version. Analog equalizers in high end audio (stereo) are generally a waste of time and money. Thirty-one pots only serve to dull out microdynamics and articulation of the human voice. Many of the high quality pre-amps manufactured over the last 20 years come without any bass or treble control whatsoever, for this reason. Powell, since you're responding to this egomaniacal windbag and libel-spewing audio clown, please ask him to demonstrate his scientific integrity by telling us once again about his double blind tests. As I understand it, and as most other RAO normals understand it, they've been conclusively shown to be bogus by several experienced audio professionals. Therefore, his writings (which may also be at least partially plagiarized) aren't worth the toilet paper they are written on. I've suggested that he and Krueger, as part of their mutual love fest and rehabilitation consider both finger painting and basket weaving. Both require a minimm amount of social interaction and help to hide their limited communication and social skills. OTOH, they can alway ciontinue responding to the internal voices in their head telling them about EHEE & RAO conspiracy theories. Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D. Licensed Psychologist PY 2543 (Florida) |
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Howard Ferstler wrote:
In a recent issue of The Sensible Sound I reviewed the Rane THX-44 equalizer. In an earlier issue I had also reviewed the THX-22 version. I would love to have some feedback regarding these two components. Why ? Looks from the schematic to be a classic state-variable implementation of an EQ. Does it have *magic properties* ? Graham |
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![]() Powell wrote: Analog equalizers in high end audio (stereo) are generally a waste of time and money. Do you mean DSP based ones aren't ? Thirty-one pots only serve to dull out microdynamics Uh ? What are *microdynamics* ? and articulation of the human voice. Many of the high quality pre-amps manufactured over the last 20 years come without any bass or treble control whatsoever, for this reason. Are you seriously suggesting that simple bass and treble controls, properly centred, *dull* the signal ? Graham. |
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Hereafter the trigger of Dr. Richman hystery :
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- In fact to be honset Bruce I don't like you. Your position, your role of RAO's psychologist expert is, IMHO, totally *biased* and *hypocrite*. To explain you clearly my state of mind since the begining of our exchange I think that Dave statements were "factual" without any passion. Doing so he has exprimed the ethical and deontological reserve that, IMHO, should be your attribute on a public forum. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bruce J. Richman a écrit : torresists wrote: Subject: Equalizers From: "Arny Krueger" Date: 8/12/2004 5:16 AM Central Daylight Time Message-id: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Not only a shut-in, but a promoter of libel and disinformation about others - which he glorifies and praises in his fellow sociopathic liar, Krueger. Whatya call a purported health care professional who doesn't know that the major mental health facility he referenced has been closed for upwards of 7 years? Bruce Richman! I prefer to call him "Dr. Quackenbush". ;-) So sayeth the anonymous McKelvy sockpuppet and Krueger clone. Now he can go back in the toilet bowl he shares with Krueger. Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D. Licensed Psychologist PY 2543 |
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Hereafter the trigger of Dr. Richman hystery :
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- In fact to be honset Bruce I don't like you. Your position, your role of RAO's psychologist expert is, IMHO, totally *biased* and *hypocrite*. To explain you clearly my state of mind since the begining of our exchange I think that Dave statements were "factual" without any passion. Doing so he has exprimed the ethical and deontological reserve that, IMHO, should be your attribute on a public forum. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Torresists a écrit : Subject: Equalizers From: (Bruce J. Richman) Date: 8/12/2004 7:42 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Quackenbush is just as stupid as our favorite fat, juicy California banana slug, but much more arrogant: ;-) torresists wrote: Subject: Equalizers From: "Arny Krueger" Date: 8/12/2004 5:16 AM Central Daylight Time Message-id: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Not only a shut-in, but a promoter of libel and disinformation about others - which he glorifies and praises in his fellow sociopathic liar, Krueger. Whatya call a purported health care professional who doesn't know that the major mental health facility he referenced has been closed for upwards of 7 years? Bruce Richman! I prefer to call him "Dr. Quackenbush". ;-) So sayeth the anonymous McKelvy sockpuppet and Krueger clone. Now he can go back in the toilet bowl he shares with Krueger. Do you enjoy playing the ass on RAO, Quack-o? ;-)) Bruce J. Richman, Piles it High. UnLicensed Psychologist, certified psychopath OY 2543 |
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Hereafter the trigger of Dr. Richman hystery :
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- In fact to be honset Bruce I don't like you. Your position, your role of RAO's psychologist expert is, IMHO, totally *biased* and *hypocrite*. To explain you clearly my state of mind since the begining of our exchange I think that Dave statements were "factual" without any passion. Doing so he has exprimed the ethical and deontological reserve that, IMHO, should be your attribute on a public forum. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bruce J. Richman a écrit : torresist demonstrates his delusions: Subject: Equalizers From: (Bruce J. Richman) Date: 8/12/2004 7:42 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Quackenbush is just as stupid as our favorite fat, juicy California banana slug, but much more arrogant: ;-) torresists wrote: Subject: Equalizers From: "Arny Krueger" Date: 8/12/2004 5:16 AM Central Daylight Time Message-id: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Not only a shut-in, but a promoter of libel and disinformation about others - which he glorifies and praises in his fellow sociopathic liar, Krueger. Whatya call a purported health care professional who doesn't know that the major mental health facility he referenced has been closed for upwards of 7 years? Bruce Richman! I prefer to call him "Dr. Quackenbush". ;-) So sayeth the anonymous McKelvy sockpuppet and Krueger clone. Now he can go back in the toilet bowl he shares with Krueger. Do you enjoy playing the ass on RAO, Quack-o? ;-)) Bruce J. Richman, Piles it High. UnLicensed Psychologist, certified psychopath OY 2543 (psychotic blather snipped because of basic lack of reality contact Afraid tro identify yourself, whacko? The antipsychotics aren't working very well for you, are they? Your idiocy amuses just about everybody but you. ROFLMAO !!! Bye, bye - poster boy for euthanasia. LOL !!! Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D. Licensed Psychologist PY 2543 (Fllorida) (now expected autistic response from RAO's highly conditioned anonywhacko, torresists - let out on a weekend pass from a mental hospital, no doubt) LOL !!! (Lionel & Krueger say "the checks in the mail") LOL !!! Bruce J. Richman |
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Hereafter the trigger of Dr. Richman hystery :
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- In fact to be honset Bruce I don't like you. Your position, your role of RAO's psychologist expert is, IMHO, totally *biased* and *hypocrite*. To explain you clearly my state of mind since the begining of our exchange I think that Dave statements were "factual" without any passion. Doing so he has exprimed the ethical and deontological reserve that, IMHO, should be your attribute on a public forum. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bruce J. Richman a écrit : Arny Krueger wrote: snip of demented encouragement of sockpuppets by Krueger And your evidence for 7 years of misidentifying my identity, credentials, and professional activities is, :Krueger? How about trying to justify 7 years of libelous misidentifications of professional identities on RAO, libeler? No doubt, you'll try and lie your way out of this one also. That's all you know how to do. Krueger will either snip and delete the above, ignore it, or attempt make bizarre excuses Don't forget to publish your claims in an American print publication, Krueger. Have you notified the legal authorities in Florida about the person impersonating Dr.Richman? What are you waiting for? I've already alerted both my attornies and several law enforcement officers I know to be sure and give you all the ":help" you need. LOL !!!! Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.\ Licensed Psychologist PY 2543 (Florida) Bruce J. Richman |
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Hereafter the trigger of Dr. Richman hystery :
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- In fact to be honset Bruce I don't like you. Your position, your role of RAO's psychologist expert is, IMHO, totally *biased* and *hypocrite*. To explain you clearly my state of mind since the begining of our exchange I think that Dave statements were "factual" without any passion. Doing so he has exprimed the ethical and deontological reserve that, IMHO, should be your attribute on a public forum. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bruce J. Richman a écrit : Powell wrote: "Howard Ferstler" wrote In a recent issue of The Sensible Sound I reviewed the Rane THX-44 equalizer. In an earlier issue I had also reviewed the THX-22 version. Analog equalizers in high end audio (stereo) are generally a waste of time and money. Thirty-one pots only serve to dull out microdynamics and articulation of the human voice. Many of the high quality pre-amps manufactured over the last 20 years come without any bass or treble control whatsoever, for this reason. Powell, since you're responding to this egomaniacal windbag and libel-spewing audio clown, please ask him to demonstrate his scientific integrity by telling us once again about his double blind tests. As I understand it, and as most other RAO normals understand it, they've been conclusively shown to be bogus by several experienced audio professionals. Therefore, his writings (which may also be at least partially plagiarized) aren't worth the toilet paper they are written on. I've suggested that he and Krueger, as part of their mutual love fest and rehabilitation consider both finger painting and basket weaving. Both require a minimm amount of social interaction and help to hide their limited communication and social skills. OTOH, they can alway ciontinue responding to the internal voices in their head telling them about EHEE & RAO conspiracy theories. Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D. Licensed Psychologist PY 2543 (Florida) |
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Lionel, dances again on cue, just like a puppet on a string:
Babble designed to win Krueger's undying gratitude and Liar Merit Badges from RAO's sewer brigade deleted How easy to pull this puppet's strings !! Bruce J. Richman |
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Lionel exhits his insanity again:
results of Lionel's overuse of laxatives deleted - verbal diarrhea not desired when imported from France Somebody needs to cut this puppet's strings - he can't stop twisting and jerking in the wind. Bruce J. Richman |
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Lionel engages in autistic behavior (see Dustin Hoffman's "Rainman! Rainman!
Rainman!" autistic, repetitive robotic mumblings from Lionel deleted to prevent local French mental health personnel from taking him away in a straight jacket after observing his compulsive repeating meaningless drivel on a public NG Bruce J. Richman |
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Lionel, obeying the command hallucinations in his head, demonstrates a
psychotic need to repeat himself with infantile babble: Infantile babble deleted Bruce J. Richman |
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Night posting Doc ?
Your friend S888Wheel will mock you ? Bruce J. Richman a écrit : Lionel, dances again on cue, just like a puppet on a string: Babble designed to win Krueger's undying gratitude and Liar Merit Badges from RAO's sewer brigade deleted How easy to pull this puppet's strings !! Bruce J. Richman |
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Night posting Doc ?
Your friend S888Wheel will mock you ? Bruce J. Richman a écrit : Lionel exhits his insanity again: results of Lionel's overuse of laxatives deleted - verbal diarrhea not desired when imported from France Somebody needs to cut this puppet's strings - he can't stop twisting and jerking in the wind. Bruce J. Richman |
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