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The first one reamains the best. :-)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- As all RAO regulars know, Michigander Arnii Krooger accused Californian Scott Wheeler of being a pedophile, and Wheeler took such offense that he threatened to sue Krooger for libel unless the accusation is retracted. So far, Krooger has attempted to ply his "debating trade" garbage rather than comply. This has consisted of impugning the legal knowledge of everybody who has offered an informed opinion of libel law, making up alleged "legal principles" out of thin air, and (as usual) twisting what people say and throwing in a generous helping of meaningless lies. In short, Krooger has been unable to recognize that Wheeler is not just playing the RAO game as usual, but apparently intends to pursue his claim to a court in the real world. Wheeler gave Krooger until Sept. 20 to retract the post and apologize for it. My prediction: On Sept. 19 or 20 -- but not before -- Krooger will comply in a half-assed way. He will claim that he consulted a lawyer or lawyers earlier, but the lawyers lied to him. He'll also claim he did voluminous research on libel law in Michigan, California, and the U.S., but the books he read lied to him. He'll further claim that although he made the post, it wasn't really his fault, because Wheeler's "teammates" or "co-conspirators" or "fellow paid character assassins" have made the same accusation against Krooger. Or because RAO has been a nasty little playground for years. Or because Wheeler "insulted" Krooger at some point. Or some other flimsy excuse. In short, the apology will be unsatisfactory because Krooger will avoid taking responsibility for what he said. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- I think that if Scott can show that his being publically labeled as a pedophile in a widely read Usenet newsgroup is libelous, he has a decent chance of winning his case - but that would be up to the courts to decide. I don't presume, as you do, I guess, that all name-calling here and all lies here are harmless. Accusing somebody of criminatl behavior or practicing a profession without a license - as Krueger has done repeatedly on RAO - are quite likely actionable in my view. You assume that since almost nobody believes him, it does no harm. Have I lost any business (or has Scot) because of this? It's probably impossible to tell. (Same would apply for Stereophile, I suppose). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D. Licensed Psychologist (signed this way because of pending libel suit against Krueger scheduled to begin on 9/20/03 per Mr. Wheeler - and the need to possibly provide supportive documentary evidence). Bruce J. Richman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Why are you so eager to dissuade Mister Wheeler from filing his lawsuit against the Krooborg, or, in the alternative, for the clerk of the court to "reject" the filing, or, in the alternative alternative, for a judge to dismiss the case? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ He couldn't summons the courage to do even that. He's probably hiding under his bed, hoping the proces servers won't find him. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ |
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"Paul Dormer" wrote in message
Where's the fun? Contemplating the childish, paranoid, ignoramouses this little piece of history makes Richman and Middius look like. |
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"Paul Dormer" a écrit dans le message news:
... Where's the fun? French humour ! We have done centuries of war for this reason. :-) |
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Paul Dormer wrote:
"Arny Krueger" emitted : "Lionel" wrote in message The first one reamains the best. :-) It clearly demonstrates the huge legal talent of Middius and Richman (who clearly agreed with Middius), as well as their ability to predict the behavior of other human beings. What a bunch of mental giants! original post's headers, to prevent confusion From: George M. Middius Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion Subject: Kwestion for the Krooborg Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 12:40:14 -0400 Organization: Anti-Cyborg Resistance, North America Message-ID: Reply-To: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ---------------- As all RAO regulars know, Michigander Arnii Krooger accused Californian Scott Wheeler of being a pedophile, and Wheeler took such offense that he threatened to sue Krooger for libel unless the accusation is retracted. So far, Krooger has attempted to ply his "debating trade" garbage rather than comply. This has consisted of impugning the legal knowledge of everybody who has offered an informed opinion of libel law, making up alleged "legal principles" out of thin air, and (as usual) twisting what people say and throwing in a generous helping of meaningless lies. In short, Krooger has been unable to recognize that Wheeler is not just playing the RAO game as usual, but apparently intends to pursue his claim to a court in the real world. Wheeler gave Krooger until Sept. 20 to retract the post and apologize for it. My prediction: On Sept. 19 or 20 -- but not before -- Krooger will comply in a half-assed way. He will claim that he consulted a lawyer or lawyers earlier, but the lawyers lied to him. He'll also claim he did voluminous research on libel law in Michigan, California, and the U.S., but the books he read lied to him. He'll further claim that although he made the post, it wasn't really his fault, because Wheeler's "teammates" or "co-conspirators" or "fellow paid character assassins" have made the same accusation against Krooger. Or because RAO has been a nasty little playground for years. Or because Wheeler "insulted" Krooger at some point. Or some other flimsy excuse. In short, the apology will be unsatisfactory because Krooger will avoid taking responsibility for what he said. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- --------------------------- I think that if Scott can show that his being publically labeled as a pedophile in a widely read Usenet newsgroup is libelous, he has a decent chance of winning his case - but that would be up to the courts to decide. I don't presume, as you do, I guess, that all name-calling here and all lies here are harmless. Accusing somebody of criminatl behavior or practicing a profession without a license - as Krueger has done repeatedly on RAO - are quite likely actionable in my view. You assume that since almost nobody believes him, it does no harm. Have I lost any business (or has Scot) because of this? It's probably impossible to tell. (Same would apply for Stereophile, I suppose). -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ---------------------------- Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D. Licensed Psychologist (signed this way because of pending libel suit against Krueger scheduled to begin on 9/20/03 per Mr. Wheeler - and the need to possibly provide supportive documentary evidence). Bruce J. Richman -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------ Why are you so eager to dissuade Mister Wheeler from filing his lawsuit against the Krooborg, or, in the alternative, for the clerk of the court to "reject" the filing, or, in the alternative alternative, for a judge to dismiss the case? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------ He couldn't summons the courage to do even that. He's probably hiding under his bed, hoping the proces servers won't find him. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where's the fun? -- S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t I It';s just another case of Krueger boasting about his lies and libelous actions - nothing new. Bruce J. Richman |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
It's just another case of Krueger boasting about his lies and libelous actions nothing new. As is your continued blindness to your own reprehensible actions and the represhensible actions of your supporters and those you support, Richman. Richman, why doesn't this statement of yours: "Accusing somebody of criminatl behavior - as Krueger has done repeatedly on RAO - are uite likely actionable in my view. " Apply to you, Middius, and Phillips as well? |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Paul Dormer" wrote in message Where's the fun? Contemplating the childish, paranoid, ignoramouses this little piece of history makes Richman and Middius look like. Actually, Krueger's misinterpretation of teh behavior of both Wheeler and myself, simply confirms his lack of contact with reality and his well-earned reputation as a compulsive liar. For some *real* fun, people are encouraged to read some of the tributes to Krueger, RAO's most widely dispised and hated poster, contained in the classic thread entitled "Have You Had A Bad Krueger Experience": ----------------------------------------------------------- As far as I can observe, the following contributors to RAO have all had bitter or hostile exchanges with Arnold Krueger in which there was some distinguishing negative characteristic, whether contempt, lying, dishonest quoting, altered texts, attacks without provocation, intellectual dishonesty, refusal to admit error, manipulated context etc. I believe an accurate list of all who've had such an experience might be productive in developing a less hostile atmosphere here on RAO. The list is *not* meant to include those who have merely had an argument with Mr. Krueger or who simply dislike him. It is *not* a popularity contest. It is mean to be a list of people who have been involved in an exchange with Arnold in which, in their view, he behaved badly or in ways that might discourage an honest, open, and free exchange of views here on RAO. If I have inadvertently left any off this list who wish to add their names, please add your name to the list and repost. The list is alphabetical by last name. If I have listed any who believe they're here in error, please remove your name and repost with a small note saying you've done so. My apologies to those folk. This list is solely my responsibility. Ed Jeff Adams, John Atkinson, Marc Blank, Roy Briggs, Jennifer Burton, Jason Cotton, Michael Clyne, Paul Dormer, Felix (Fear3000), Michael Gindi, Pete Goudreau, Brian Leupp, Gene Lyle, Paul Macca, Michael Mandwright, Stephen McEleroy, George Middius, Stewart Pinkerton, Photobug (Fred), Bruce Richman,Chuck Ross, Barry Rothman, Jim Sanders, Jonathan Scull, Jim Seymour, Greg Singh, Ed Shain, Andrew Thibault, Leslie Vreeland, Dave Weil, Glenn Zelniker, and Steve Zipser, ---------------------------------------------------------- Since Lionel has chosen to repost old RAO posts so that his buddy Krueger can attack them, it's only approipriate to *really* set the record straight when it comes to Krueger. While the above was written in 1999 (and followed by over 900 responses from Krueger's many enemies - actually targets of his unprovoked personal attacks and of course, his usual bull**** responses), it would no doubt be polssible to add many more names to the list. Note that a significant number of people on that list are still being targeted and smeaed by Krueger to this very day. "Roy Briggs" - for the benefit of newbies - is a former pseudonym of The Devil. No doubt if one were rewriting this post today, a number of new names could be added to the list. The sheer length of this list, the fact that it generated over 900 responses, and of course, the reality that it accurately described Krueger's despicable behavior, and sadly, the fact that as expected, it continues to this very day, should not be overlooked nor forgotten. Those who bring up past history need to tell the whole story, not just that subscribed to by what - 3 or 4 people at best? LOL !!!! Bruce J. Richman |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: "Paul Dormer" wrote in message Where's the fun? Contemplating the childish, paranoid, ignoramouses this little piece of history makes Richman and Middius look like. Actually, Krueger's misinterpretation of teh behavior of both Wheeler and myself, simply confirms his lack of contact with reality and his well-earned reputation as a compulsive liar. Richman, what's to interpret about Wheeler's failed lawsuit and your firm opinion that it was justified? BTW Richman, why can't you see that no matter what I do on Usenet, you remain responsible for your own actions. |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:23:04 +0200, "Lionel"
wrote: "Paul Dormer" a écrit dans le message news: ... Where's the fun? French humour ! We have done centuries of war for this reason. :-) Boy, are we being brutal on our country today, Lionel. The sad thing is that you're usually the punch line of the joke. |
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Bruce J. Richman a écrit :
LOL !!!! Good, Bruce, your reaction proves that I have correctly chosen the tittle of the thread. :-) |
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"Lionel" wrote in message
Bruce J. Richman a écrit : LOL !!!! Good, Bruce, your reaction proves that I have correctly chosen the tittle of the thread. :-) Make that over-reaction, Lionel. |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message It's just another case of Krueger boasting about his lies and libelous actions nothing new. As is your continued blindness to your own reprehensible actions and the represhensible actions of your supporters and those you support, Richman. Richman, why doesn't this statement of yours: "Accusing somebody of criminatl behavior - as Krueger has done repeatedly on RAO - are uite likely actionable in my view. " Apply to you, Middius, and Phillips as well? Your history of libelous claims, Krueger, against Wheeler, myself, and others can and has been proven quite easily by reference to the Google record. OTOH, your claims that Scott Wheeler is a pedophile have no basis in reality, nor have you ever been able to present any credible evidence to support that ridiculous charge. More specifically, claiming that somebody is misrepresenting their professional activities, e.g. being a psychologist or member of another profession that is protected by title law in every state, *is* alleging criminal behavior. You've done this many times over the years, yet have never provided any proof of your libelous false claims. Case closed. Bruce J. Richman |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message It's just another case of Krueger boasting about his lies and libelous actions nothing new. As is your continued blindness to your own reprehensible actions and the represhensible actions of your supporters and those you support, Richman. Richman, why doesn't this statement of yours: "Accusing somebody of criminatl behavior - as Krueger has done repeatedly on RAO - are uite likely actionable in my view. " Apply to you, Middius, and Phillips as well? This question scares Richman so much that he can't respond to it directly or relevantly. Instead he makes yet another tired list of his misapprehensions about me. snip Richman's hysterical smoke screen |
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Arnjy Krueger wote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Paul Dormer" wrote in message Where's the fun? Contemplating the childish, paranoid, ignoramouses this little piece of history makes Richman and Middius look like. Actually, Krueger's misinterpretation of teh behavior of both Wheeler and myself, simply confirms his lack of contact with reality and his well-earned reputation as a compulsive liar. Richman, what's to interpret about Wheeler's failed lawsuit and your firm opinion that it was justified? BTW Richman, why can't you see that no matter what I do on Usenet, you remain responsible for your own actions. You're not making any sense, Krueger. Everybody on RAO remains respobnsible for their own actions, and I've never said anything to contradict that fact. Your claims that Scott Wheeler is a peoophile were ridiculous, libelous, and false. You've never been able to present any evidence to support that nonsense. Similarly, you've never been able to present any evidence to support your libelous claims about my professional activities. Bruce J. Richman |
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dave weil a écrit :
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:23:04 +0200, "Lionel" wrote: "Paul Dormer" a écrit dans le message news: ... Where's the fun? French humour ! We have done centuries of war for this reason. :-) Boy, are we being brutal on our country today, Lionel. No, it was in the past when we were barbarians. Since 1904 we have an agreement with the Perfid Albion which stipulate that it's not a crime if don't laugh at the jokes of the adversary. The sad thing is that you're usually the punch line of the joke. I don't care since I don't understand them ! :-) |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
Arnjy Krueger wote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Paul Dormer" wrote in message Where's the fun? Contemplating the childish, paranoid, ignoramouses this little piece of history makes Richman and Middius look like. Actually, Krueger's misinterpretation of teh behavior of both Wheeler and myself, simply confirms his lack of contact with reality and his well-earned reputation as a compulsive liar. Richman, what's to interpret about Wheeler's failed lawsuit and your firm opinion that it was justified? BTW Richman, why can't you see that no matter what I do on Usenet, you remain responsible for your own actions. You're not making any sense, Krueger. What's nonsensical about the idea that you remain responsible for your own actions and inactions, Richman? Everybody on RAO remains respobnsible for their own actions, and I've never said anything to contradict that fact. You've made a policy of being very selective about who you hold responsible for their actions, Richman. Your claims that Scott Wheeler is a peoophile were ridiculous, libelous, and false. Of course, Richman. He obviously over-reacted to them and as I've shown, so did you. You've never been able to present any evidence to support that nonsense. Of course, Richman. He obviously over-reacted to them and as I've shown, so did you. Similarly, you've never been able to present any evidence to support your libelous claims about my professional activities. Which libelous claims might those be? Richman, are you referring to the fact that you refuse to criticize the hundreds of libelous claims that have been made about me by Phillips and Middius for example? Surely that represents some kind of lack of professionalism on your part, given that you are so vociferous about my far less numerous and far more harmless but still far more accurate comments about them and you? |
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Arny krueger wrote:
"Lionel" wrote in message Bruce J. Richman a écrit : LOL !!!! Good, Bruce, your reaction proves that I have correctly chosen the tittle of the thread. :-) Make that over-reaction, Lionel. The voices in Krueger's head are quite active today. His delusions are in full array. Bruce J. Richman |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message It's just another case of Krueger boasting about his lies and libelous actions nothing new. As is your continued blindness to your own reprehensible actions and the represhensible actions of your supporters and those you support, Richman. Richman, why doesn't this statement of yours: "Accusing somebody of criminatl behavior - as Krueger has done repeatedly on RAO - are uite likely actionable in my view. " Apply to you, Middius, and Phillips as well? Krueger, confronted with a reasonable response, chose to eliminate it in his response, while once again, lying about his own provable actions of libel towards myself, Wheeler, and many others on RAO? Krueger's lack of response and fear of reproducing posts of others is further evidence of his attempts to hide his criminal behavior Bruce J. Richman |
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Arny Krueger a écrit :
"Lionel" wrote in message Bruce J. Richman a écrit : LOL !!!! Good, Bruce, your reaction proves that I have correctly chosen the tittle of the thread. :-) Make that over-reaction, Lionel. I thought you was zen like a bonze ! |
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Arny krueger wrote:
Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arnjy Krueger wote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Paul Dormer" wrote in message Where's the fun? Contemplating the childish, paranoid, ignoramouses this little piece of history makes Richman and Middius look like. Actually, Krueger's misinterpretation of teh behavior of both Wheeler and myself, simply confirms his lack of contact with reality and his well-earned reputation as a compulsive liar. Richman, what's to interpret about Wheeler's failed lawsuit and your firm opinion that it was justified? BTW Richman, why can't you see that no matter what I do on Usenet, you remain responsible for your own actions. You're not making any sense, Krueger. What's nonsensical about the idea that you remain responsible for your own actions and inactions, Richman? Everybody on RAO remains respobnsible for their own actions, and I've never said anything to contradict that fact. You've made a policy of being very selective about who you hold responsible for their actions, Richman. False claim. No evidence available to support this lie. Your claims that Scott Wheeler is a peoophile were ridiculous, libelous, and false. Of course, Richman. He obviously over-reacted to them and as I've shown, so did you. False claim. No evidence presented to support this lie. Suing somebody for libel is not an overreaction when, in fact, the action that triggered the suit is, as you now admit, false, libelous, and ridiculous - as your claim about his pedophilia certainly was. You've never been able to present any evidence to support that nonsense. Of course, Richman. He obviously over-reacted to them and as I've shown, so did you. False claim. No evidence presented to support this lie. Suing somebody for libel is not an overreaction when, in fact, the action that triggered the suit is, as you now admit, false, libelous, and ridiculous - as your claim about his pedophilia certainly was. Similarly, you've never been able to present any evidence to support your libelous claims about my professional activities. Which libelous claims might those be? Already specified. Your efforts to avoid responsiblity for libelous claims about my professional activities are duly noted. snip of Krueger's obvious attempt to deflect valid criticisms of his libelous statements about my professional activities and those of others. In response, he claimed he'd been libeled numerous times by others, yet offered nothing to substantiate this obvious lie Bruce J. Richman |
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Bruce J. Richman a écrit :
Arnjy Krueger wote: Is it a Dutch cousin of Arnold ? |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
Arny krueger wrote: Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arnjy Krueger wote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Paul Dormer" wrote in message Where's the fun? Contemplating the childish, paranoid, ignoramouses this little piece of history makes Richman and Middius look like. Actually, Krueger's misinterpretation of teh behavior of both Wheeler and myself, simply confirms his lack of contact with reality and his well-earned reputation as a compulsive liar. Richman, what's to interpret about Wheeler's failed lawsuit and your firm opinion that it was justified? BTW Richman, why can't you see that no matter what I do on Usenet, you remain responsible for your own actions. You're not making any sense, Krueger. What's nonsensical about the idea that you remain responsible for your own actions and inactions, Richman? Everybody on RAO remains respobnsible for their own actions, and I've never said anything to contradict that fact. You've made a policy of being very selective about who you hold responsible for their actions, Richman. False claim. No evidence available to support this lie. Richman, why not point out those sitautions where you've held Phillips or Middius responsible for the lies they've repeatedly told about me, Richman? What about the fact that you encouraged Wheeler in his lawsuit against me, which was thrown out of court because it was not in conformance with the laws of the State of California? |
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Lionel a écrit :
Arny Krueger a écrit : "Lionel" wrote in message Bruce J. Richman a écrit : LOL !!!! Good, Bruce, your reaction proves that I have correctly chosen the tittle of the thread. :-) Make that over-reaction, Lionel. I thought you was zen like a bonze ! Ooops sorry, you should read : "I thought he was zen like a bonze !" |
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"Lionel" wrote in message
Bruce J. Richman a écrit : Arnjy Krueger wote: Is it a Dutch cousin of Arnold ? Richman is becoming progressivly more hysterical due to the burden of his many years of unprofessional behavior on RAO. |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message It's just another case of Krueger boasting about his lies and libelous actions nothing new. As is your continued blindness to your own reprehensible actions and the represhensible actions of your supporters and those you support, Richman. Richman, why doesn't this statement of yours: "Accusing somebody of criminatl behavior - as Krueger has done repeatedly on RAO - are uite likely actionable in my view. " Apply to you, Middius, and Phillips as well? This question scares Richman so much that he can't respond to it directly or relevantly. Instead he makes yet another tired list of his misapprehensions about me. snip Richman's hysterical smoke screen Note that Richman eliminated these comments because he can't stand the truth about his years of reprehensible behavior on RAO. |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny krueger wrote: Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arnjy Krueger wote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Paul Dormer" wrote in message Where's the fun? Contemplating the childish, paranoid, ignoramouses this little piece of history makes Richman and Middius look like. Actually, Krueger's misinterpretation of teh behavior of both Wheeler and myself, simply confirms his lack of contact with reality and his well-earned reputation as a compulsive liar. Richman, what's to interpret about Wheeler's failed lawsuit and your firm opinion that it was justified? BTW Richman, why can't you see that no matter what I do on Usenet, you remain responsible for your own actions. You're not making any sense, Krueger. What's nonsensical about the idea that you remain responsible for your own actions and inactions, Richman? Everybody on RAO remains respobnsible for their own actions, and I've never said anything to contradict that fact. You've made a policy of being very selective about who you hold responsible for their actions, Richman. False claim. No evidence available to support this lie. Richman, why not point out those sitautions where you've held Phillips or Middius responsible for the lies they've repeatedly told about me, Richman? Krueger, why not point out those situations where you've held McKelvy and Ferstler responsible for the lies and libelous statements they've repeatedly made about me? Hypocrite !!!! What about the fact that you encouraged Wheeler in his lawsuit against me, which was thrown out of court because it was not in conformance with the laws of the State of California? More ridiculous lies from RAO's most despised and hated poster. Mr. Wheeler certainly needed no encouragement from me to sue you for libel, Krueger. You gave him all the encouragement he needed with your libelous claims that he was/is a pedophile. As for your continued attempts to spin the reasons his suit was not pursued in Court, the only people who know the truth of the matter about this are Mr. Wheeler and the appropriate legal personnel in the California legal system. Certainly not you. Bruce J. Richman |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny krueger wrote: Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arnjy Krueger wote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Paul Dormer" wrote in message Where's the fun? Contemplating the childish, paranoid, ignoramouses this little piece of history makes Richman and Middius look like. Actually, Krueger's misinterpretation of teh behavior of both Wheeler and myself, simply confirms his lack of contact with reality and his well-earned reputation as a compulsive liar. Richman, what's to interpret about Wheeler's failed lawsuit and your firm opinion that it was justified? BTW Richman, why can't you see that no matter what I do on Usenet, you remain responsible for your own actions. You're not making any sense, Krueger. What's nonsensical about the idea that you remain responsible for your own actions and inactions, Richman? Everybody on RAO remains respobnsible for their own actions, and I've never said anything to contradict that fact. You've made a policy of being very selective about who you hold responsible for their actions, Richman. False claim. No evidence available to support this lie. Richman, why not point out those sitautions where you've held Phillips or Middius responsible for the lies they've repeatedly told about me, Richman? Krueger, why not point out those situations where you've held McKelvy and Ferstler responsible for the lies and libelous statements they've repeatedly made about me? Why don't you list some of those out, and I'll comment on them as I see appropriate. |
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Arny Krueger wrote"
"Lionel" wrote in message Bruce J. Richman a écrit : Arnjy Krueger wote: Is it a Dutch cousin of Arnold ? Richman is becoming progressivly more hysterical due to the burden of his many years of unprofessional behavior on RAO. Krueger's delusions have increased in their severity over a 7 year period of dishonesty, libelous claims, and lack of ability to be factual on RAO. His latest claims about "professionalism" - of which he knows nothing - verify his prior history of libelous claims about the professional activities of other people. Many RAO posters have been targeted by this sociopathic, compulsive liar - as documented in the classic Ed Shain thread entitled "Have You Had A Bad Krueger Experience". If we were to take a poll amoing today's RAO readers and posters as to the validity of Mr. Shain's observations, there is no doubt that many more might join the list. Krueger has been out of touch with reality for a long time on RAO. Bruce J. Richman |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message It's just another case of Krueger boasting about his lies and libelous actions nothing new. As is your continued blindness to your own reprehensible actions and the represhensible actions of your supporters and those you support, Richman. Richman, why doesn't this statement of yours: "Accusing somebody of criminatl behavior - as Krueger has done repeatedly on RAO - are uite likely actionable in my view. " Apply to you, Middius, and Phillips as well? Note that Krueger continues to refuse to respond to entire posts, and then invents more idiotic statements to justify them. The truth about Krueger's behavior on RAO over many years is contained in the classic post by Ed Shain, which Krueger recently deleted from a post of mine. He did so in a stupid attempt to prevent RAO readers from learning the truth about him: Here, according to Ed Shain, and many others since then, is the truth about Krueger: A BAD KRUEGER EXPERIENCE On July 27, 1999, Ed Shain started the classic thread "Have You Had A Bad Krueger Experience" with the following observation: "As far as I can observe, the following contributors to RAO have all had bitter or hostile exchanges with Arnold Krueger in which there was some distinguishing negative characteristic, whether contempt, lying, dishonest quoting, altered texts, attacks without provocation, intellectual dishonesty, refusal to admit error, manipulated context etc. I believe an accurate list of all who've had such an experience might be productive in developing a less hostile atmosphere here on RAO. The list is *not* meant to include those who have merely had an argument with Mr. Krueger or who simply dislike him. It is *not* a popularity contest. It is mean to be a list of people who have been involved in an exchange with Arnold in which, in their view, he behaved badly or in ways that might discourage an honest, open, and free exchange of views here on RAO. If I have inadvertently left any off this list who wish to add their names, please add your name to the list and repost. The list is alphabetical by last name. If I have listed any who believe they're here in error, please remove your name and repost with a small note saying you've done so. My apologies to those folk. This list is solely my responsibility. Ed Jeff Adams, John Atkinson, Marc Blank, Roy Briggs, Jennifer Burton, Jason Cotton, Michael Clyne, Paul Dormer, Felix (Fear3000), Michael Gindi, Pete Goudreau, Brian Leupp, Gene Lyle, Paul Macca, Michael Mandwright, Stephen McEleroy, George Middius, Stewart Pinkerton, Photobug (Fred), Bruce Richman,Chuck Ross, Barry Rothman, Jim Sanders, Jonathan Scull, Jim Seymour, Greg Singh, Ed Shain, Andrew Thibault, Leslie Vreeland, Dave Weil, Glenn Zelniker, and Steve Zipser". As you can see, the same behaviors described by Mr. Shain, a former regular poster on RAO, still exist. Also, many of the same posters are still attacked on a regular basis by Krueger. No doubt Krueger will delete this in his response in an effort to prevent RAO posters from learning about his despicable history on RAO. Bruce J. Richman |
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Arny Krueger wrote"
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny krueger wrote: Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arnjy Krueger wote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Paul Dormer" wrote in message Where's the fun? Contemplating the childish, paranoid, ignoramouses this little piece of history makes Richman and Middius look like. Actually, Krueger's misinterpretation of teh behavior of both Wheeler and myself, simply confirms his lack of contact with reality and his well-earned reputation as a compulsive liar. Richman, what's to interpret about Wheeler's failed lawsuit and your firm opinion that it was justified? BTW Richman, why can't you see that no matter what I do on Usenet, you remain responsible for your own actions. You're not making any sense, Krueger. What's nonsensical about the idea that you remain responsible for your own actions and inactions, Richman? Everybody on RAO remains respobnsible for their own actions, and I've never said anything to contradict that fact. You've made a policy of being very selective about who you hold responsible for their actions, Richman. False claim. No evidence available to support this lie. Richman, why not point out those sitautions where you've held Phillips or Middius responsible for the lies they've repeatedly told about me, Richman? Krueger, why not point out those situations where you've held McKelvy and Ferstler responsible for the lies and libelous statements they've repeatedly made about me? Why don't you list some of those out, and I'll comment on them as I see appropriate. IOW, you want to pretend that you are unaware of his numerous libelous posts re .. my professional activities. Your failure to condemn his behavior in the past is noted. Translation: "I approve of McKelvy's false claims against Richman, so I'll try some diversionary tactics and/or pretend I'm unaware of them". Since you have no intention of condemning his behavior, you have no right to ask anybody else to condemn statemetns about you. Your hypocritical complaints about unfair treatment are duly noted. Bruce J. Richman |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:57:44 +0200, Lionel
wrote: French humour ! We have done centuries of war for this reason. :-) Boy, are we being brutal on our country today, Lionel. No, it was in the past when we were barbarians. I didn't say that your effite country was brutal. On the contrary. |
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dave weil a écrit :
I didn't say that your effite country was brutal. On the contrary. Do you mean "effete" : adjective: marked by excessive self-indulgence and moral decay. In this case you are right, we are totally decadent in France. I bet that Middius would love to live here. ;-) |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message ... Arny Krueger wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message It's just another case of Krueger boasting about his lies and libelous actions nothing new. As is your continued blindness to your own reprehensible actions and the represhensible actions of your supporters and those you support, Richman. Richman, why doesn't this statement of yours: "Accusing somebody of criminatl behavior - as Krueger has done repeatedly on RAO - are uite likely actionable in my view. " Apply to you, Middius, and Phillips as well? Note that Krueger continues to refuse to respond to entire posts, and then invents more idiotic statements to justify them. The truth about Krueger's behavior on RAO over many years is contained in the classic post by Ed Shain, which Krueger recently deleted from a post of mine. He did so in a stupid attempt to prevent RAO readers from learning the truth about him: Here, according to Ed Shain, and many others since then, is the truth about Krueger: A BAD KRUEGER EXPERIENCE On July 27, 1999, Ed Shain started the classic thread "Have You Had A Bad Krueger Experience" with the following observation: "As far as I can observe, the following contributors to RAO have all had bitter or hostile exchanges with Arnold Krueger in which there was some distinguishing negative characteristic, whether contempt, lying, dishonest quoting, altered texts, attacks without provocation, intellectual dishonesty, refusal to admit error, manipulated context etc. I believe an accurate list of all who've had such an experience might be productive in developing a less hostile atmosphere here on RAO. The list is *not* meant to include those who have merely had an argument with Mr. Krueger or who simply dislike him. It is *not* a popularity contest. It is mean to be a list of people who have been involved in an exchange with Arnold in which, in their view, he behaved badly or in ways that might discourage an honest, open, and free exchange of views here on RAO. If I have inadvertently left any off this list who wish to add their names, please add your name to the list and repost. The list is alphabetical by last name. If I have listed any who believe they're here in error, please remove your name and repost with a small note saying you've done so. My apologies to those folk. This list is solely my responsibility. Ed Jeff Adams, John Atkinson, Marc Blank, Roy Briggs, Jennifer Burton, Jason Cotton, Michael Clyne, Paul Dormer, Felix (Fear3000), Michael Gindi, Pete Goudreau, Brian Leupp, Gene Lyle, Paul Macca, Michael Mandwright, Stephen McEleroy, George Middius, Stewart Pinkerton, Photobug (Fred), Bruce Richman,Chuck Ross, Barry Rothman, Jim Sanders, Jonathan Scull, Jim Seymour, Greg Singh, Ed Shain, Andrew Thibault, Leslie Vreeland, Dave Weil, Glenn Zelniker, and Steve Zipser". As you can see, the same behaviors described by Mr. Shain, a former regular poster on RAO, still exist. Also, many of the same posters are still attacked on a regular basis by Krueger. No doubt Krueger will delete this in his response in an effort to prevent RAO posters from learning about his despicable history on RAO. Bruce J. Richman Hey doktor! How come I'm not on that list? Carl Valle |
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Arnjy Krueger wote: Is it a Dutch cousin of Arnold ? Hey! Leave us out please! BTW: Arnjy isn't a Dutch name. Maybe it's from Marrakesh. -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." |
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Hey doktor! How come I'm not on that list? Carl Valle You weren't around back then, at least not under your current screen name. I'm not on it either, and actually, that surprises me. Mr. Krueger called me a liar several times, but recently we were able to talk reasonable calmly about audio. That, and my ever trying to give people a second chance (and a third, a fourth, etc.) I'm afraid I'll never learn :-) -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." |
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Carl Valle wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message ... Arny Krueger wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: "Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message It's just another case of Krueger boasting about his lies and libelous actions nothing new. As is your continued blindness to your own reprehensible actions and the represhensible actions of your supporters and those you support, Richman. Richman, why doesn't this statement of yours: "Accusing somebody of criminatl behavior - as Krueger has done repeatedly on RAO - are uite likely actionable in my view. " Apply to you, Middius, and Phillips as well? Note that Krueger continues to refuse to respond to entire posts, and then invents more idiotic statements to justify them. The truth about Krueger's behavior on RAO over many years is contained in the classic post by Ed Shain, which Krueger recently deleted from a post of mine. He did so in a stupid attempt to prevent RAO readers from learning the truth about him: Here, according to Ed Shain, and many others since then, is the truth about Krueger: A BAD KRUEGER EXPERIENCE On July 27, 1999, Ed Shain started the classic thread "Have You Had A Bad Krueger Experience" with the following observation: "As far as I can observe, the following contributors to RAO have all had bitter or hostile exchanges with Arnold Krueger in which there was some distinguishing negative characteristic, whether contempt, lying, dishonest quoting, altered texts, attacks without provocation, intellectual dishonesty, refusal to admit error, manipulated context etc. I believe an accurate list of all who've had such an experience might be productive in developing a less hostile atmosphere here on RAO. The list is *not* meant to include those who have merely had an argument with Mr. Krueger or who simply dislike him. It is *not* a popularity contest. It is mean to be a list of people who have been involved in an exchange with Arnold in which, in their view, he behaved badly or in ways that might discourage an honest, open, and free exchange of views here on RAO. If I have inadvertently left any off this list who wish to add their names, please add your name to the list and repost. The list is alphabetical by last name. If I have listed any who believe they're here in error, please remove your name and repost with a small note saying you've done so. My apologies to those folk. This list is solely my responsibility. Ed Jeff Adams, John Atkinson, Marc Blank, Roy Briggs, Jennifer Burton, Jason Cotton, Michael Clyne, Paul Dormer, Felix (Fear3000), Michael Gindi, Pete Goudreau, Brian Leupp, Gene Lyle, Paul Macca, Michael Mandwright, Stephen McEleroy, George Middius, Stewart Pinkerton, Photobug (Fred), Bruce Richman,Chuck Ross, Barry Rothman, Jim Sanders, Jonathan Scull, Jim Seymour, Greg Singh, Ed Shain, Andrew Thibault, Leslie Vreeland, Dave Weil, Glenn Zelniker, and Steve Zipser". As you can see, the same behaviors described by Mr. Shain, a former regular poster on RAO, still exist. Also, many of the same posters are still attacked on a regular basis by Krueger. No doubt Krueger will delete this in his response in an effort to prevent RAO posters from learning about his despicable history on RAO. Bruce J. Richman Hey doktor! How come I'm not on that list? Carl Valle Were you posting on RAO in 1999, Carl?  But you raise a very valid point. No doubt there are many names that could be added since the time that was written in 1999. Krueger continues to engage in unprovoked personal attacks against many, including yourself, of course. Bruce J. Richman |
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"Carl Valle" said: Hey doktor! How come I'm not on that list? Carl Valle You weren't around back then, at least not under your current screen name. I'm not on it either, and actually, that surprises me. Mr. Krueger called me a liar several times, but recently we were able to talk reasonable calmly about audio. That, and my ever trying to give people a second chance (and a third, a fourth, etc.) I'm afraid I'll never learn :-) -- Sander deWaal "SOA of a KT88? Sufficient." Since, as you point out, Krueger has called you a liar several times................welcome to the 99% of active RAO posters similarly smeared by this hatemonger. Tell me, Sander, has he also engaged in his nasty, fraudulent habit of deleting portions of posts you've written before responding to them? At any rate, the fact that you've seen fit to give him several chances to redeem himself and failed simply indicates the chronicity and severity of his abnormal behavior. Bruce J. Richman |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
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Bruce J. Richman a écrit :
Jeff Adams, John Atkinson, Marc Blank, Roy Briggs, Jennifer Burton, Jason Cotton, Michael Clyne, Paul Dormer, Felix (Fear3000), Michael Gindi, Pete Goudreau, Brian Leupp, Gene Lyle, Paul Macca, Michael Mandwright, Stephen McEleroy, George Middius, Stewart Pinkerton, Photobug (Fred), Bruce Richman,Chuck Ross, Barry Rothman, Jim Sanders, Jonathan Scull, Jim Seymour, Greg Singh, Ed Shain, Andrew Thibault, Leslie Vreeland, Dave Weil, Glenn Zelniker, and Steve Zipser, ---------------------------------------------------------- Since Lionel has chosen to repost old RAO posts so that his buddy Krueger can attack them, it's only approipriate to *really* set the record straight when it comes to Krueger. Bruce is it really serious ? You are speaking of Arnold Krueger like if you haven't seen anything worst in your life. I am sure that most of the guys on this list are real gentlemen. I read some of them, have exchanges with some others but frankly who can accept to have his name on a list together with George M. Middius and Gregory Singh. Believe me, my curiosity has pushed me sometime far from RAO. I bet you what you want that these 2 guys would collect far more suffrages on Usenet than your local Arnold Krueger. Those 2 noxious guys' malfeasance has a far more extended field than your ridiculous RAO microcosm. My point is that you are navigating from Charybde to Scylla. |
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Sander deWaal a écrit :
BTW: Arnjy isn't a Dutch name. Maybe it's from Marrakesh. What about the strange place of the "j" ? ;-) |
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