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Substituting for triple diffused BJT's
Hi there,
I picked up a Harman Kardon AVR100 unit from a 'u-fix-it' sale a year or so ago. Since then I have aquired a factory service manual(phew!). Long story short, it looks like I'm going to need some of the final stage amp output devices.(at least) These are apparently manufactured by Korea Electronics Co. First question is what does it mean for a transistor to be 'tripple diffused'? From the little info I could find, these are desirable for audio/HF applications. I have listed below some example spec's for one of the final NPN transistors(a KTC5197). Second, what BJT characteristics are critical in replacing audio output devices? Obviously I want to ensure reliability and match the circuitry correctly, but more importantly, I don't want to 'hear' a difference. I have a decent electronics background, but havn't messed with consumer audio equip. much. I have scoured the net, but have been unable to find a cross-referenced part. A parametric search at digikey turned up nothing(lower-spec'd parts). Lastly, is it necessary to swap all the channels with the same replacement devices? I'm under the assumtion that I will need matched pairs for each channel, correct? Thanks for your time - any input would be greatly appreciated. Respectfully, -Jamie Here are the spec's promised. They can be found in pdf form at: http://databook.kec.co.kr/Data/PDF/KTC/ENG/KTC5197.pdf Vcbo/Vceo : 120V Vebo : 5V Ic : 10A Ib : 800mA Pc : 80W Tj : 150C Icbo(Vcb=120V,Ie=0) : 5uA max Iebo(Veb=5V,Ic=0) :5uA max V(br)ceo : 120V hFE(Vce=5V,Ic=1A) : 55min/160max hFE(Vce=5V,Ic=4A) : 35min/75typ Vce(sat)(Ic=6A,Ib=0.6A) : 0.35V typ/2.0V max Vbe(Vce=5V,Ic=4A) : 0.95V typ/1.5V max fT(transition freq)(Vce=5V,Ic=1A) : 30Mhz typ Cob(collector ouput capac.)(Vcb=10V,Ie=0,f=1Mhz) : 120pF typ |
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Substituting for triple diffused BJT's
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(Slipnfall) wrote: Hi there, I picked up a Harman Kardon AVR100 unit from a 'u-fix-it' sale a year or so ago. Since then I have aquired a factory service manual(phew!). Long story short, it looks like I'm going to need some of the final stage amp output devices.(at least) These are apparently manufactured by Korea Electronics Co. First question is what does it mean for a transistor to be 'tripple diffused'? From the little info I could find, these are desirable for audio/HF applications. I have listed below some example spec's for one of the final NPN transistors(a KTC5197). Second, what BJT characteristics are critical in replacing audio output devices? Obviously I want to ensure reliability and match the circuitry correctly, but more importantly, I don't want to 'hear' a difference. I have a decent electronics background, but havn't messed with consumer audio equip. much. I have scoured the net, but have been unable to find a cross-referenced part. A parametric search at digikey turned up nothing(lower-spec'd parts). Lastly, is it necessary to swap all the channels with the same replacement devices? I'm under the assumtion that I will need matched pairs for each channel, correct? Thanks for your time - any input would be greatly appreciated. Respectfully, -Jamie Here are the spec's promised. They can be found in pdf form at: http://databook.kec.co.kr/Data/PDF/KTC/ENG/KTC5197.pdf Vcbo/Vceo : 120V Vebo : 5V Ic : 10A Ib : 800mA Pc : 80W Tj : 150C Icbo(Vcb=120V,Ie=0) : 5uA max Iebo(Veb=5V,Ic=0) :5uA max V(br)ceo : 120V hFE(Vce=5V,Ic=1A) : 55min/160max hFE(Vce=5V,Ic=4A) : 35min/75typ Vce(sat)(Ic=6A,Ib=0.6A) : 0.35V typ/2.0V max Vbe(Vce=5V,Ic=4A) : 0.95V typ/1.5V max fT(transition freq)(Vce=5V,Ic=1A) : 30Mhz typ Cob(collector ouput capac.)(Vcb=10V,Ie=0,f=1Mhz) : 120pF typ I don't notice anything special there. Don't get too worked up over the details. Bipolar power transistors have extremely fat tolerances. Your only problem is that the case style (half of a TO-3) is uncommon. In browsing through my ragged old ECG guide, it looks like ECG 36/37 should be a compatible replacement pair. Many options are available if you can use a real TO-3. Electronics surplus stores might have bins full of old TO-3P transistors. You should re-calibrate the bias regardless of what replacement you use. I'd replace the whole complementary pair since the matching KTA1940 is likely a little roasted too. |
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Substituting for triple diffused BJT's
In article ,
(Slipnfall) wrote: Hi there, I picked up a Harman Kardon AVR100 unit from a 'u-fix-it' sale a year or so ago. Since then I have aquired a factory service manual(phew!). Long story short, it looks like I'm going to need some of the final stage amp output devices.(at least) These are apparently manufactured by Korea Electronics Co. First question is what does it mean for a transistor to be 'tripple diffused'? From the little info I could find, these are desirable for audio/HF applications. I have listed below some example spec's for one of the final NPN transistors(a KTC5197). Second, what BJT characteristics are critical in replacing audio output devices? Obviously I want to ensure reliability and match the circuitry correctly, but more importantly, I don't want to 'hear' a difference. I have a decent electronics background, but havn't messed with consumer audio equip. much. I have scoured the net, but have been unable to find a cross-referenced part. A parametric search at digikey turned up nothing(lower-spec'd parts). Lastly, is it necessary to swap all the channels with the same replacement devices? I'm under the assumtion that I will need matched pairs for each channel, correct? Thanks for your time - any input would be greatly appreciated. Respectfully, -Jamie Here are the spec's promised. They can be found in pdf form at: http://databook.kec.co.kr/Data/PDF/KTC/ENG/KTC5197.pdf Vcbo/Vceo : 120V Vebo : 5V Ic : 10A Ib : 800mA Pc : 80W Tj : 150C Icbo(Vcb=120V,Ie=0) : 5uA max Iebo(Veb=5V,Ic=0) :5uA max V(br)ceo : 120V hFE(Vce=5V,Ic=1A) : 55min/160max hFE(Vce=5V,Ic=4A) : 35min/75typ Vce(sat)(Ic=6A,Ib=0.6A) : 0.35V typ/2.0V max Vbe(Vce=5V,Ic=4A) : 0.95V typ/1.5V max fT(transition freq)(Vce=5V,Ic=1A) : 30Mhz typ Cob(collector ouput capac.)(Vcb=10V,Ie=0,f=1Mhz) : 120pF typ I don't notice anything special there. Don't get too worked up over the details. Bipolar power transistors have extremely fat tolerances. Your only problem is that the case style (half of a TO-3) is uncommon. In browsing through my ragged old ECG guide, it looks like ECG 36/37 should be a compatible replacement pair. Many options are available if you can use a real TO-3. Electronics surplus stores might have bins full of old TO-3P transistors. You should re-calibrate the bias regardless of what replacement you use. I'd replace the whole complementary pair since the matching KTA1940 is likely a little roasted too. |
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Substituting for triple diffused BJT's
In article ,
(Slipnfall) wrote: Hi there, I picked up a Harman Kardon AVR100 unit from a 'u-fix-it' sale a year or so ago. Since then I have aquired a factory service manual(phew!). Long story short, it looks like I'm going to need some of the final stage amp output devices.(at least) These are apparently manufactured by Korea Electronics Co. First question is what does it mean for a transistor to be 'tripple diffused'? From the little info I could find, these are desirable for audio/HF applications. I have listed below some example spec's for one of the final NPN transistors(a KTC5197). Second, what BJT characteristics are critical in replacing audio output devices? Obviously I want to ensure reliability and match the circuitry correctly, but more importantly, I don't want to 'hear' a difference. I have a decent electronics background, but havn't messed with consumer audio equip. much. I have scoured the net, but have been unable to find a cross-referenced part. A parametric search at digikey turned up nothing(lower-spec'd parts). Lastly, is it necessary to swap all the channels with the same replacement devices? I'm under the assumtion that I will need matched pairs for each channel, correct? Thanks for your time - any input would be greatly appreciated. Respectfully, -Jamie Here are the spec's promised. They can be found in pdf form at: http://databook.kec.co.kr/Data/PDF/KTC/ENG/KTC5197.pdf Vcbo/Vceo : 120V Vebo : 5V Ic : 10A Ib : 800mA Pc : 80W Tj : 150C Icbo(Vcb=120V,Ie=0) : 5uA max Iebo(Veb=5V,Ic=0) :5uA max V(br)ceo : 120V hFE(Vce=5V,Ic=1A) : 55min/160max hFE(Vce=5V,Ic=4A) : 35min/75typ Vce(sat)(Ic=6A,Ib=0.6A) : 0.35V typ/2.0V max Vbe(Vce=5V,Ic=4A) : 0.95V typ/1.5V max fT(transition freq)(Vce=5V,Ic=1A) : 30Mhz typ Cob(collector ouput capac.)(Vcb=10V,Ie=0,f=1Mhz) : 120pF typ I don't notice anything special there. Don't get too worked up over the details. Bipolar power transistors have extremely fat tolerances. Your only problem is that the case style (half of a TO-3) is uncommon. In browsing through my ragged old ECG guide, it looks like ECG 36/37 should be a compatible replacement pair. Many options are available if you can use a real TO-3. Electronics surplus stores might have bins full of old TO-3P transistors. You should re-calibrate the bias regardless of what replacement you use. I'd replace the whole complementary pair since the matching KTA1940 is likely a little roasted too. |
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Substituting for triple diffused BJT's
In article ,
(Slipnfall) wrote: Hi there, I picked up a Harman Kardon AVR100 unit from a 'u-fix-it' sale a year or so ago. Since then I have aquired a factory service manual(phew!). Long story short, it looks like I'm going to need some of the final stage amp output devices.(at least) These are apparently manufactured by Korea Electronics Co. First question is what does it mean for a transistor to be 'tripple diffused'? From the little info I could find, these are desirable for audio/HF applications. I have listed below some example spec's for one of the final NPN transistors(a KTC5197). Second, what BJT characteristics are critical in replacing audio output devices? Obviously I want to ensure reliability and match the circuitry correctly, but more importantly, I don't want to 'hear' a difference. I have a decent electronics background, but havn't messed with consumer audio equip. much. I have scoured the net, but have been unable to find a cross-referenced part. A parametric search at digikey turned up nothing(lower-spec'd parts). Lastly, is it necessary to swap all the channels with the same replacement devices? I'm under the assumtion that I will need matched pairs for each channel, correct? Thanks for your time - any input would be greatly appreciated. Respectfully, -Jamie Here are the spec's promised. They can be found in pdf form at: http://databook.kec.co.kr/Data/PDF/KTC/ENG/KTC5197.pdf Vcbo/Vceo : 120V Vebo : 5V Ic : 10A Ib : 800mA Pc : 80W Tj : 150C Icbo(Vcb=120V,Ie=0) : 5uA max Iebo(Veb=5V,Ic=0) :5uA max V(br)ceo : 120V hFE(Vce=5V,Ic=1A) : 55min/160max hFE(Vce=5V,Ic=4A) : 35min/75typ Vce(sat)(Ic=6A,Ib=0.6A) : 0.35V typ/2.0V max Vbe(Vce=5V,Ic=4A) : 0.95V typ/1.5V max fT(transition freq)(Vce=5V,Ic=1A) : 30Mhz typ Cob(collector ouput capac.)(Vcb=10V,Ie=0,f=1Mhz) : 120pF typ I don't notice anything special there. Don't get too worked up over the details. Bipolar power transistors have extremely fat tolerances. Your only problem is that the case style (half of a TO-3) is uncommon. In browsing through my ragged old ECG guide, it looks like ECG 36/37 should be a compatible replacement pair. Many options are available if you can use a real TO-3. Electronics surplus stores might have bins full of old TO-3P transistors. You should re-calibrate the bias regardless of what replacement you use. I'd replace the whole complementary pair since the matching KTA1940 is likely a little roasted too. |