Do SACD players have a DSD digital output so that the conversion to
analog could be done externally? If so, is this interface documented
anywhere?
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...
Do SACD players have a DSD digital output so that the conversion to
analog could be done externally? If so, is this interface documented
anywhere?

Wouldn't that be nice... you could just send it through a saturating power
amp and a passive filter to the speaker.

Matt Timmermans wrote:
"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...

Do SACD players have a DSD digital output so that the conversion to
analog could be done externally? If so, is this interface documented
anywhere?


Wouldn't that be nice... you could just send it through a saturating power
amp and a passive filter to the speaker.

Why not? Or buy a $40,000 Wadia outboard SACD converter with TrueRealism(TM)
technology and patented FrenchCurve(TM) time-domain processing. add whatever
BS terms you like here

Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way...
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

Randy Yates wrote:

Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...

Randy,

I'd like your take on how this helps sell more players. I'm
not sure I get it.

Glenn Zelniker

Glenn Zelniker wrote:

Randy Yates wrote:

Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players
that way...


Randy,

I'd like your take on how this helps sell more players. I'm not sure I
get it.

Hi Glenn,

If I buy an SACD player that doesn't provide a digital output, so that I am
forced to use the DSD/A conversion technology embedded in the player, and two
years down the road some fancy new DSD conversion technology comes along, I'd have
to buy a whole new player to utilize it. If the player had digital outs, then
at least one could keep it as a transport and buy a new outboard DSD/A converter
with the new technology.

If players keep coming down in price, this quickly becomes a very small problem.
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

Glenn Zelniker wrote:

Randy Yates wrote:

Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players
that way...


Randy,

I'd like your take on how this helps sell more players. I'm not sure I
get it.

Hi Glenn,

If I buy an SACD player that doesn't provide a digital output, so that I am
forced to use the DSD/A conversion technology embedded in the player, and two
years down the road some fancy new DSD conversion technology comes along, I'd have
to buy a whole new player to utilize it. If the player had digital outs, then
at least one could keep it as a transport and buy a new outboard DSD/A converter
with the new technology.

If players keep coming down in price, this quickly becomes a very small problem.
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

Glenn Zelniker wrote:

Randy Yates wrote:

Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players
that way...


Randy,

I'd like your take on how this helps sell more players. I'm not sure I
get it.

Hi Glenn,

If I buy an SACD player that doesn't provide a digital output, so that I am
forced to use the DSD/A conversion technology embedded in the player, and two
years down the road some fancy new DSD conversion technology comes along, I'd have
to buy a whole new player to utilize it. If the player had digital outs, then
at least one could keep it as a transport and buy a new outboard DSD/A converter
with the new technology.

If players keep coming down in price, this quickly becomes a very small problem.
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

Randy Yates wrote:

Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...

Randy,

I'd like your take on how this helps sell more players. I'm
not sure I get it.

Glenn Zelniker

Randy Yates wrote:

Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...

Randy,

I'd like your take on how this helps sell more players. I'm
not sure I get it.

Glenn Zelniker

Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any
form from SACD players.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
...


Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?
Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's
the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any
form from SACD players.

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

DENON Link for connection to AVR-5803 (compatible with Second Edition
Units) . PCM and DSD Compatible IEEE-1394 Out/In ports, featuring exclusive
DENON Clock Synchronized System (DCSS), a proprietary and defeatable
system . The IEEE-1394 port with DCSS activated, functions only with
upcoming DENON IEEE-1394 equipped product; when DCSS is defeated, the port
is set to A&M Protocol .

Charles Tomaras wrote:

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

DENON Link for connection to AVR-5803 (compatible with Second Edition
Units) . PCM and DSD Compatible IEEE-1394 Out/In ports, featuring exclusive
DENON Clock Synchronized System (DCSS), a proprietary and defeatable
system . The IEEE-1394 port with DCSS activated, functions only with
upcoming DENON IEEE-1394 equipped product; when DCSS is defeated, the port
is set to A&M Protocol .

What's A&M protocol?


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Charles Tomaras wrote:

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

DENON Link for connection to AVR-5803 (compatible with Second Edition
Units) . PCM and DSD Compatible IEEE-1394 Out/In ports, featuring exclusive
DENON Clock Synchronized System (DCSS), a proprietary and defeatable
system . The IEEE-1394 port with DCSS activated, functions only with
upcoming DENON IEEE-1394 equipped product; when DCSS is defeated, the port
is set to A&M Protocol .

What's A&M protocol?


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Charles Tomaras wrote:

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

DENON Link for connection to AVR-5803 (compatible with Second Edition
Units) . PCM and DSD Compatible IEEE-1394 Out/In ports, featuring exclusive
DENON Clock Synchronized System (DCSS), a proprietary and defeatable
system . The IEEE-1394 port with DCSS activated, functions only with
upcoming DENON IEEE-1394 equipped product; when DCSS is defeated, the port
is set to A&M Protocol .

What's A&M protocol?


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

In rec.audio.tech Charles Tomaras wrote:

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
...


Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?
Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's
the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any
form from SACD players.

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

The Pioneer Elite 49TXi AVR and 47ai player have had firewire digital
interface fora few years now, that could pass and receive
SACD and DVD-A. Three of the current Pioneer Elite AVRs, and one recent Sony,
have Firewire jacks, and from what I've read on the AVSforum,
the Pios and the Sony will 'talk ' to each other. However,
reportedly the Denon won't.




--

-S.

"They've got God on their side. All we've got is science and reason."
-- Dawn Hulsey, Talent Director

In rec.audio.tech Charles Tomaras wrote:

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
...


Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?
Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's
the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any
form from SACD players.

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

The Pioneer Elite 49TXi AVR and 47ai player have had firewire digital
interface fora few years now, that could pass and receive
SACD and DVD-A. Three of the current Pioneer Elite AVRs, and one recent Sony,
have Firewire jacks, and from what I've read on the AVSforum,
the Pios and the Sony will 'talk ' to each other. However,
reportedly the Denon won't.




--

-S.

"They've got God on their side. All we've got is science and reason."
-- Dawn Hulsey, Talent Director

In rec.audio.tech Charles Tomaras wrote:

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
...


Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?
Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's
the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any
form from SACD players.

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

The Pioneer Elite 49TXi AVR and 47ai player have had firewire digital
interface fora few years now, that could pass and receive
SACD and DVD-A. Three of the current Pioneer Elite AVRs, and one recent Sony,
have Firewire jacks, and from what I've read on the AVSforum,
the Pios and the Sony will 'talk ' to each other. However,
reportedly the Denon won't.




--

-S.

"They've got God on their side. All we've got is science and reason."
-- Dawn Hulsey, Talent Director

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
...


Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?
Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's
the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any
form from SACD players.

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

DENON Link for connection to AVR-5803 (compatible with Second Edition
Units) . PCM and DSD Compatible IEEE-1394 Out/In ports, featuring exclusive
DENON Clock Synchronized System (DCSS), a proprietary and defeatable
system . The IEEE-1394 port with DCSS activated, functions only with
upcoming DENON IEEE-1394 equipped product; when DCSS is defeated, the port
is set to A&M Protocol .

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
...


Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?
Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's
the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any
form from SACD players.

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

DENON Link for connection to AVR-5803 (compatible with Second Edition
Units) . PCM and DSD Compatible IEEE-1394 Out/In ports, featuring exclusive
DENON Clock Synchronized System (DCSS), a proprietary and defeatable
system . The IEEE-1394 port with DCSS activated, functions only with
upcoming DENON IEEE-1394 equipped product; when DCSS is defeated, the port
is set to A&M Protocol .

Bob Cain wrote:

Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way...


Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be.

That's so stupid (not you Bob, I'm talking about this wishful record
company thinking), it has to be the idea of Dilbert's boss. It's like
trying to protect a house from break-in by locking only the back door
while leaving the front door open.

I've got an even better idea: let's add 0 dB white noise to the signal
before we output it from the CD player. This way NOBODY can steal the
music! Not even from the analogue outputs! That will teach 'em damn
music pirates a lesson ...





Bob

"Andor Bariska" wrote in message
...
Bob Cain wrote:
Randy Yates wrote:
Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why
would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology
decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why
hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more
players that way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be.

That's so stupid (not you Bob, I'm talking about this wishful
record
company thinking), it has to be the idea of Dilbert's boss.
It's like
trying to protect a house from break-in by locking only the
back door
while leaving the front door open.

I agree, but that seems to be the state of affairs (copy
protection). There are only a handful of expensive players that
have a digital audio out (IEEE 1394/firewire) and they have
proprietary interfaces with the same vendors' expensive
receivers. Apparently the copy protection scheme/vendor
implementation must be approved (DVD forum?) before the digital
link can be activated. There are a few devices shipping with the
firewire port disabled. If and when that vendor is approved they
can enable the output via firmware upgrade.

Having only analog outputs is a giant step backward. Proprietary
digital links is a crummy solution.

"Andor Bariska" wrote in message
...
Bob Cain wrote:
Randy Yates wrote:
Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why
would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology
decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why
hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more
players that way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be.

That's so stupid (not you Bob, I'm talking about this wishful
record
company thinking), it has to be the idea of Dilbert's boss.
It's like
trying to protect a house from break-in by locking only the
back door
while leaving the front door open.

I agree, but that seems to be the state of affairs (copy
protection). There are only a handful of expensive players that
have a digital audio out (IEEE 1394/firewire) and they have
proprietary interfaces with the same vendors' expensive
receivers. Apparently the copy protection scheme/vendor
implementation must be approved (DVD forum?) before the digital
link can be activated. There are a few devices shipping with the
firewire port disabled. If and when that vendor is approved they
can enable the output via firmware upgrade.

Having only analog outputs is a giant step backward. Proprietary
digital links is a crummy solution.

"Andor Bariska" wrote in message
...
Bob Cain wrote:
Randy Yates wrote:
Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why
would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology
decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why
hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more
players that way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be.

That's so stupid (not you Bob, I'm talking about this wishful
record
company thinking), it has to be the idea of Dilbert's boss.
It's like
trying to protect a house from break-in by locking only the
back door
while leaving the front door open.

I agree, but that seems to be the state of affairs (copy
protection). There are only a handful of expensive players that
have a digital audio out (IEEE 1394/firewire) and they have
proprietary interfaces with the same vendors' expensive
receivers. Apparently the copy protection scheme/vendor
implementation must be approved (DVD forum?) before the digital
link can be activated. There are a few devices shipping with the
firewire port disabled. If and when that vendor is approved they
can enable the output via firmware upgrade.

Having only analog outputs is a giant step backward. Proprietary
digital links is a crummy solution.

Bob Cain wrote:

Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way...


Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be.

That's so stupid (not you Bob, I'm talking about this wishful record
company thinking), it has to be the idea of Dilbert's boss. It's like
trying to protect a house from break-in by locking only the back door
while leaving the front door open.

I've got an even better idea: let's add 0 dB white noise to the signal
before we output it from the CD player. This way NOBODY can steal the
music! Not even from the analogue outputs! That will teach 'em damn
music pirates a lesson ...





Bob

Bob Cain wrote:

Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way...


Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be.

That's so stupid (not you Bob, I'm talking about this wishful record
company thinking), it has to be the idea of Dilbert's boss. It's like
trying to protect a house from break-in by locking only the back door
while leaving the front door open.

I've got an even better idea: let's add 0 dB white noise to the signal
before we output it from the CD player. This way NOBODY can steal the
music! Not even from the analogue outputs! That will teach 'em damn
music pirates a lesson ...





Bob

Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any
form from SACD players.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any
form from SACD players.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...
Matt Timmermans wrote:
Wouldn't that be nice... you could just send it through a saturating
power
amp and a passive filter to the speaker.

Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?
Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the
best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...


I didn't mean it as a silly question. It seems perfectly reasonable to me,
and I find it really annoying that SACD players wouldn't provide a simple
digital stream to make it easy.

"Matt Timmermans" wrote in message
...

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...
Matt Timmermans wrote:
Wouldn't that be nice... you could just send it through a saturating
power
amp and a passive filter to the speaker.

Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?
Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's
the
best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...


I didn't mean it as a silly question. It seems perfectly reasonable to me,
and I find it really annoying that SACD players wouldn't provide a simple
digital stream to make it easy.

What kind of digital stream are you looking for? If your receiver doesn't
have the ability to decode a DSD bitstream then you will have to have some
additional converter to convert from DSD to PCM which is what most of the
receivers out there deal with for digital. The higher end Denons have actual
DSD converters in them.

"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
...
What kind of digital stream are you looking for? If your receiver doesn't
have the ability to decode a DSD bitstream then you will have to have some
additional converter to convert from DSD to PCM which is what most of the
receivers out there deal with for digital. The higher end Denons have
actual
DSD converters in them.

I'm reading from comp.dsp. I dunno about rec.audio.tech, but in this group,
"you can't buy a box that does that" is no reason to call it a bad idea.

"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
...
What kind of digital stream are you looking for? If your receiver doesn't
have the ability to decode a DSD bitstream then you will have to have some
additional converter to convert from DSD to PCM which is what most of the
receivers out there deal with for digital. The higher end Denons have
actual
DSD converters in them.

I'm reading from comp.dsp. I dunno about rec.audio.tech, but in this group,
"you can't buy a box that does that" is no reason to call it a bad idea.

"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
...
What kind of digital stream are you looking for? If your receiver doesn't
have the ability to decode a DSD bitstream then you will have to have some
additional converter to convert from DSD to PCM which is what most of the
receivers out there deal with for digital. The higher end Denons have
actual
DSD converters in them.

I'm reading from comp.dsp. I dunno about rec.audio.tech, but in this group,
"you can't buy a box that does that" is no reason to call it a bad idea.

"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
...
What kind of digital stream are you looking for? If your receiver doesn't
have the ability to decode a DSD bitstream then you will have to have some
additional converter to convert from DSD to PCM which is what most of the
receivers out there deal with for digital. The higher end Denons have
actual
DSD converters in them.

I'm reading from comp.dsp. I dunno about rec.audio.tech, but in this group,
"you can't buy a box that does that" is no reason to call it a bad idea.

"Matt Timmermans" wrote in message
...

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...
Matt Timmermans wrote:
Wouldn't that be nice... you could just send it through a saturating
power
amp and a passive filter to the speaker.

Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?
Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's
the
best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...


I didn't mean it as a silly question. It seems perfectly reasonable to me,
and I find it really annoying that SACD players wouldn't provide a simple
digital stream to make it easy.

What kind of digital stream are you looking for? If your receiver doesn't
have the ability to decode a DSD bitstream then you will have to have some
additional converter to convert from DSD to PCM which is what most of the
receivers out there deal with for digital. The higher end Denons have actual
DSD converters in them.

"Matt Timmermans" wrote in message
...

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...
Matt Timmermans wrote:
Wouldn't that be nice... you could just send it through a saturating
power
amp and a passive filter to the speaker.

Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?
Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's
the
best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...


I didn't mean it as a silly question. It seems perfectly reasonable to me,
and I find it really annoying that SACD players wouldn't provide a simple
digital stream to make it easy.

What kind of digital stream are you looking for? If your receiver doesn't
have the ability to decode a DSD bitstream then you will have to have some
additional converter to convert from DSD to PCM which is what most of the
receivers out there deal with for digital. The higher end Denons have actual
DSD converters in them.

"Matt Timmermans" wrote in message
...

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...
Matt Timmermans wrote:
Wouldn't that be nice... you could just send it through a saturating
power
amp and a passive filter to the speaker.

Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?
Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's
the
best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...


I didn't mean it as a silly question. It seems perfectly reasonable to me,
and I find it really annoying that SACD players wouldn't provide a simple
digital stream to make it easy.

What kind of digital stream are you looking for? If your receiver doesn't
have the ability to decode a DSD bitstream then you will have to have some
additional converter to convert from DSD to PCM which is what most of the
receivers out there deal with for digital. The higher end Denons have actual
DSD converters in them.

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...
Matt Timmermans wrote:
Wouldn't that be nice... you could just send it through a saturating
power
amp and a passive filter to the speaker.

Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?
Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the
best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...


I didn't mean it as a silly question. It seems perfectly reasonable to me,
and I find it really annoying that SACD players wouldn't provide a simple
digital stream to make it easy.

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...
Matt Timmermans wrote:
Wouldn't that be nice... you could just send it through a saturating
power
amp and a passive filter to the speaker.

Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?
Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the
best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...


I didn't mean it as a silly question. It seems perfectly reasonable to me,
and I find it really annoying that SACD players wouldn't provide a simple
digital stream to make it easy.

Matt Timmermans wrote:
"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...

Do SACD players have a DSD digital output so that the conversion to
analog could be done externally? If so, is this interface documented
anywhere?


Wouldn't that be nice... you could just send it through a saturating power
amp and a passive filter to the speaker.

Why not? Or buy a $40,000 Wadia outboard SACD converter with TrueRealism(TM)
technology and patented FrenchCurve(TM) time-domain processing. add whatever
BS terms you like here

Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way...
--
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%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

Matt Timmermans wrote:
"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...

Do SACD players have a DSD digital output so that the conversion to
analog could be done externally? If so, is this interface documented
anywhere?


Wouldn't that be nice... you could just send it through a saturating power
amp and a passive filter to the speaker.

Why not? Or buy a $40,000 Wadia outboard SACD converter with TrueRealism(TM)
technology and patented FrenchCurve(TM) time-domain processing. add whatever
BS terms you like here

Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way...
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr