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Crackling & hissing
"Jeffrey Landgraf" wrote in
: Gentlemen, My Yamaha P2100 stereo amplifier has "crackling" and hissing on a single channel. It started out intermitant and would disapear (for awhile) when the amp was turned off and then back on immediatley. The audio from that channel is very thin sounding as well. I've replaced all the electrolytic caps awhile back and the problem remains. I'm an experienced board level trouble shooter but I'm trying to cut the time for diagnosis to a minimum. In my experience "thin" is often dried out caps but this amp design does not use many electrolytics ( and they've been replaced!). I've not fixed an amp with crackling and hissing. Any ideas on which components would likely cause these symptoms? Thanks, Jeff You need to trace the noise back from the output with an oscilloscope. This can be tedious without a schematic. Go back stage by stage. Does the power amp have discrete transistors or a big hybrid block? Email me if you like. Tim |
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"Jeffrey Landgraf" wrote: Gentlemen, My Yamaha P2100 stereo amplifier has "crackling" and hissing on a single channel. It started out intermitant and would disapear (for awhile) when the amp was turned off and then back on immediatley. The audio from that channel is very thin sounding as well. I've replaced all the electrolytic caps awhile back and the problem remains. I'm an experienced board level trouble shooter but I'm trying to cut the time for diagnosis to a minimum. In my experience "thin" is often dried out caps but this amp design does not use many electrolytics ( and they've been replaced!). I've not fixed an amp with crackling and hissing. Any ideas on which components would likely cause these symptoms? Thanks, Jeff It sounds like a bad solder connection, corroded switch, moisure in the circuit board, hydrated flux, or a leaky semiconductor. Try tapping, heat, and cold to modulate the hiss. My old Realistic STA-720 just started doing this. The frequency counter goes all nuts and flickers along with the noise. My bet is that it's regulator transistor has unsoldered itself again. I have to see if I can fit a bigger heatsink on it. |
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Tim,
It's on the bench with a dummy load and scoping it was my plan. I do have the schematic and yes it can be tedious work. That's why I thought you guys might be able to direct me to a particular part type failure that would be characteristic of this kind of noise. It is discrete transistor. Thanks for the advice, Jeff "Browntimdc" wrote in message ... "Jeffrey Landgraf" wrote in : Gentlemen, My Yamaha P2100 stereo amplifier has "crackling" and hissing on a single channel. It started out intermitant and would disapear (for awhile) when the amp was turned off and then back on immediatley. The audio from that channel is very thin sounding as well. I've replaced all the electrolytic caps awhile back and the problem remains. I'm an experienced board level trouble shooter but I'm trying to cut the time for diagnosis to a minimum. In my experience "thin" is often dried out caps but this amp design does not use many electrolytics ( and they've been replaced!). I've not fixed an amp with crackling and hissing. Any ideas on which components would likely cause these symptoms? Thanks, Jeff You need to trace the noise back from the output with an oscilloscope. This can be tedious without a schematic. Go back stage by stage. Does the power amp have discrete transistors or a big hybrid block? Email me if you like. Tim |
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Kevin,
I had thought about doing a quick resolder since I also suspected this could the case. Don't think moisture is problem since it's rather dry here. Shooting some freeze on things should put me in the ball park if it's a leaky transistor. Thanks, Jeff "Kevin McMurtrie" wrote in message ... In article , "Jeffrey Landgraf" wrote: Gentlemen, My Yamaha P2100 stereo amplifier has "crackling" and hissing on a single channel. It started out intermitant and would disapear (for awhile) when the amp was turned off and then back on immediatley. The audio from that channel is very thin sounding as well. I've replaced all the electrolytic caps awhile back and the problem remains. I'm an experienced board level trouble shooter but I'm trying to cut the time for diagnosis to a minimum. In my experience "thin" is often dried out caps but this amp design does not use many electrolytics ( and they've been replaced!). I've not fixed an amp with crackling and hissing. Any ideas on which components would likely cause these symptoms? Thanks, Jeff It sounds like a bad solder connection, corroded switch, moisure in the circuit board, hydrated flux, or a leaky semiconductor. Try tapping, heat, and cold to modulate the hiss. My old Realistic STA-720 just started doing this. The frequency counter goes all nuts and flickers along with the noise. My bet is that it's regulator transistor has unsoldered itself again. I have to see if I can fit a bigger heatsink on it. |
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In , on 08/05/03
at 04:48 PM, "Jeffrey Landgraf" said: Gentlemen, My Yamaha P2100 stereo amplifier has "crackling" and hissing on a single channel. It started out intermitant and would disapear (for awhile) when the amp was turned off and then back on immediatley. The audio from that channel is very thin sounding as well. I've replaced all the electrolytic caps awhile back and the problem remains. I'm an experienced board level trouble shooter but I'm trying to cut the time for diagnosis to a minimum. In my experience "thin" is often dried out caps but this amp design does not use many electrolytics ( and they've been replaced!). I've not fixed an amp with crackling and hissing. Any ideas on which components would likely cause these symptoms? 10 to 15 minutes of *VERY* careful visual inspection is often more useful than several hours of diagnostic probing. "Thin" sounding is usually a feedback problem at the input differential. (Yes, it could be a coupling capacitor, but modern amps don't use many. Be sure to check the input capacitor and any emitter bypass capacitors.) Look for tantalum capacitors. I trust them as much or less than electrolytics. For some reason the blue 1uF tantalums love to short. Is the gain nearly identical in the two channels? Flex the chassis and the boards. If the amp fusses while you flex, give it a closer visual inspection and refine your flexes. Use cold or hot to stress the amp. At first be gross about it, flood the whole thing with hot or cold and see if there is a response, then refine your search. ----------------------------------------------------------- SPAM: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, SPAMers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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Don't forget dirty relays.
Gareth. "Jeffrey Landgraf" wrote in message ... Gentlemen, My Yamaha P2100 stereo amplifier has "crackling" and hissing on a single channel. It started out intermitant and would disapear (for awhile) when the amp was turned off and then back on immediatley. The audio from that channel is very thin sounding as well. I've replaced all the electrolytic caps awhile back and the problem remains. I'm an experienced board level trouble shooter but I'm trying to cut the time for diagnosis to a minimum. In my experience "thin" is often dried out caps but this amp design does not use many electrolytics ( and they've been replaced!). I've not fixed an amp with crackling and hissing. Any ideas on which components would likely cause these symptoms? Thanks, Jeff |
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In my experience, freezer works only very occasionally.
Resoldering every joint is often far more effective and really won't take anything near as long as you think it would, and if it doesn't work at least you know it's not a dry joint. I had thought about doing a quick resolder since I also suspected this could the case. Don't think moisture is problem since it's rather dry here. Shooting some freeze on things should put me in the ball park if it's a leaky transistor. |
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"M. Smith" smithm@networkusadotnet wrote in
: "Browntimdc" wrote in message ... "Jeffrey Landgraf" wrote in : Gentlemen, My Yamaha P2100 stereo amplifier has "crackling" and hissing on a single channel. It started out intermitant and would disapear (for awhile) when the amp was turned off and then back on immediatley. The audio from that channel is very thin sounding as well. I've replaced all the electrolytic caps awhile back and the problem remains. I'm an experienced board level trouble shooter but I'm trying to cut the time for diagnosis to a minimum. In my experience "thin" is often dried out caps but this amp design does not use many electrolytics ( and they've been replaced!). I've not fixed an amp with crackling and hissing. Any ideas on which components would likely cause these symptoms? Thanks, Jeff My first inclination would be to look for a bad solder joint. I've had them cause audio problems of the nature you're referring to. Try using temperature as an aid in your troubleshooting endeavors. Place the unit in your refrigerator overnight and see if the problem diminishes or disappears while it is cold. r -- "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Arthur C. Clarke (1917 - ), "Technology and the Future" |
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Jeffrey Landgraf:
Be certain to look at the good responses and repair suggestions you are obtaining with your DUPLICATE posting on the newsgroup sci.electronics.repair . As I stated to you there in a reply post I think you should be concentrating on looking for cracked, cold, or otherwise faulty solder connections on the main circuit board, especially near and around the high heat producing parts such as power semiconductors, diodes, resistors, etc. Re-solder as needed. Very IMPORTANT..... you would be best advised to STOP using your amp until you get this fixed, either by you or by a service shop. If you continue to try to use the amp with this problem you risk additional and major (read EXPENSIVE $$$) failures. -- Best Regards, Daniel Sofie Electronics Supply & Repair - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - snipped: "Jeffrey Landgraf" wrote in message with crackling and hissing. Any ideas on which components would likely cause these symptoms? It's on the bench with a dummy load and scoping it was my plan. I do have the schematic and yes it can be tedious work. That's why I thought you guys might be able to direct me to a particular part type failure that would be characteristic of this kind of noise. It is discrete transistor. My Yamaha P2100 stereo amplifier has "crackling" and hissing on a single channel. It started out intermitant and would disapear (for I've not fixed an amp with crackling and hissing. Any ideas on which components would likely cause these symptoms? |
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Thanks to all for the suggestions. I checked the main board last night and
found that I had resoldered the entire "bad" channel the first time I had worked on it. This problem has been driving me crazy. I have it on the bench with a dummy load and scope, but the noises didn't show on the scope! I may have to reconnect to speakes to see if the problem is now in "remission". But, connection to expensive JBL studio series speakers is riskey! The noises are low level, but should show on the o-scope. Both channels looked identical. I have some inexpensive headphones so I may try connecting my headphone distribution box instead. I also stressed the board to see if it would return but the output signals looked clean. There are subboards where the output transistors connect but to resolder I'll have to de-solder the output transistors, remove the board and flip it to get access to the solder side (what a pain). Jeff Landgraf "Gareth Magennis" wrote in message . .. Don't forget dirty relays. Gareth. "Jeffrey Landgraf" wrote in message ... Gentlemen, My Yamaha P2100 stereo amplifier has "crackling" and hissing on a single channel. It started out intermitant and would disapear (for awhile) when the amp was turned off and then back on immediatley. The audio from that channel is very thin sounding as well. I've replaced all the electrolytic caps awhile back and the problem remains. I'm an experienced board level trouble shooter but I'm trying to cut the time for diagnosis to a minimum. In my experience "thin" is often dried out caps but this amp design does not use many electrolytics ( and they've been replaced!). I've not fixed an amp with crackling and hissing. Any ideas on which components would likely cause these symptoms? Thanks, Jeff |
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