Hi again,
My movie producer friend has me working on music for another
movie. It's an action flick aimed at 15 year old boys, so they want
real agro, high energy songs in the genre of Rage Against The Machine,
Nine Inch Nails, etc. Agro punky or metal stuff could work, too.
I'm writing the title song, but they also want around 30 short
cues, pieces of songs probably 10 to 30 seconds long. Rather than
writing and recording all those cue songs myself, I'd prefer to get
finished recordings from other artists I know who specialize in those
genres, and split the money with them. Basically I'd be acting as
publisher; unfortunately I don't know diddley about publishing.
So here's my question: How do I set up the publishing so we
split all movie related money; the movie and TV royalties, video
sales, possible soundtrack album, etc, without impinging on the
artists' current publishing income, (if any), cd sales, radio, etc?
Or is it an either/or type of scenario? I know if I were the artist,
I wouldn't want to give away half my copyright just to get 25 seconds
of a song in a movie which might or might not even be a hit.
Is there a way to do this so it's good for everybody?
Thanks as always for any advice.
Cheers, Rick Novak.
BTW, if any of y'all are working with some up and coming bands in
these genres who'd be interested in having songs in the movie, shoot
me an email. It needs to be fairly
contemporary material though. I sold my studio in 1996 so everything
from the bands I was working with back then is kind of dated now.
R.N.

Rather than
writing and recording all those cue songs myself, I'd prefer to get
finished recordings from other artists I know who specialize in those
genres, and split the money with them.

I personally don't believe you should put it that way. You should take a music
supervisor fee and then have the movie fols pay for the master and sync
licenses for the cues. People won't like the split it with you concept IMO.

Basically I'd be acting as
publisher; unfortunately I don't know diddley about publishing.

Why do you see this as acting as a publisher?

How do I set up the publishing so we
split all movie related money; the movie and TV royalties, video
sales, possible soundtrack album, etc, without impinging on the
artists' current publishing income, (if any), cd sales, radio, etc?

This doesn't fall into a publishing umbrella in full.

I know if I were the artist,
I wouldn't want to give away half my copyright just to get 25 seconds
of a song in a movie which might or might not even be a hit.

They shouldn't give anything to you unless they are desperate for



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"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

How do I set up the publishing so we
split all movie related money; the movie and TV royalties, video
sales, possible soundtrack album, etc, without impinging on the
artists' current publishing income, (if any), cd sales, radio, etc?


Hire an entertainment lawyer, think about it, would you want somone who knows
nothing about recording behind the mixer for your recordings and or your
clients recordings?

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(Raymond) wrote:


How do I set up the publishing so we
split all movie related money; the movie and TV royalties, video
sales, possible soundtrack album, etc, without impinging on the
artists' current publishing income, (if any), cd sales, radio, etc?

Are you promoting the band/s or just want music?? If you just need some
tracks pay X$ per track for composition and performance. You own the
tracks the band gets some quick bucks and you can get on with producing
the film.
You can give them film credits for reducing the $$$ per track if they want
the name in lights

don ward

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don ward

Rick

you might wanna copy/cut and paste your story at :
rec.music.makers.songwriting

john



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Hi again,
My movie producer friend has me working on music for another
movie. It's an action flick aimed at 15 year old boys, so they want
real agro, high energy songs in the genre of Rage Against The Machine,
Nine Inch Nails, etc. Agro punky or metal stuff could work, too.
I'm writing the title song, but they also want around 30 short
cues, pieces of songs probably 10 to 30 seconds long. Rather than
writing and recording all those cue songs myself, I'd prefer to get
finished recordings from other artists I know who specialize in those
genres, and split the money with them. Basically I'd be acting as
publisher; unfortunately I don't know diddley about publishing.
So here's my question: How do I set up the publishing so we
split all movie related money; the movie and TV royalties, video
sales, possible soundtrack album, etc, without impinging on the
artists' current publishing income, (if any), cd sales, radio, etc?
Or is it an either/or type of scenario? I know if I were the artist,
I wouldn't want to give away half my copyright just to get 25 seconds
of a song in a movie which might or might not even be a hit.
Is there a way to do this so it's good for everybody?
Thanks as always for any advice.
Cheers, Rick Novak.
BTW, if any of y'all are working with some up and coming bands in
these genres who'd be interested in having songs in the movie, shoot
me an email. It needs to be fairly
contemporary material though. I sold my studio in 1996 so everything
from the bands I was working with back then is kind of dated now.
R.N.

rickymix wrote:
Rather than writing and recording all those cue songs myself, I'd
prefer to get
finished recordings from other artists who specialize in those
genres, and split the money with them.

(EggHd) wrote :
I personally don't believe you should put it that way. You should take a music
supervisor fee and then have the movie fols pay for the master and sync
licenses for the cues.

Hi Eggy et al,
I guess I should have been more clear as to the small scale of
this movie. It's like a 3 or 4 million dollar budget which will
already be completely spent once they finish editing. Which is how I
get my toe in the door; by providing them with music on credit, in
effect. There's no budget left for, "music supervisor fees,...master
and sync licenses", lawyers, etc. They're broke, probably over-budget
already. All they have left to offer is possible royalties down the
road. Which is fine with me and many others.

People won't like the "split it with you" concept IMO.

Last fall I did some songs like this for a little horror/comedy called
"The Hazing" starring Brad Durroff and Brooke Burke. I co-wrote one
song with Brian Holland's daughter Linda and another with a band I've
produced called the Insect Surfers. We split everything per song
equally amongst the people involved and everyone was thrilled just
having their music in a movie. If we (hopefully) collect some
royalties after the movie is released next Halloween it'll be icing on
the cake. And if the flick turns out to be the next "Scary Movie" and
we do make some serious money, that'll be great for everyone. It's
just too small scale to argue about percentages, and I traditionally
wind up doing the lion's share of the work anyways.
BTW, that movie's producers weren't happy about having to deal
with 2 publishing companies, mine and the "Insect's". They made us do
everything under my company name, (Retarded Genius Publishing :),
which only worked because the Insects and I and Linda are long-time
personal friends and they trust me. I'm trying to figure out how to
do this more properly this time around.

Basically I'd be acting as
publisher; unfortunately I don't know diddley about publishing.

Why do you see this as acting as a publisher?

I told you I didn't know diddley! I guess I call it publishing
because I'm taking a piece of art and placing it somewhere where it
can generate income for the artist and myself, which is what I had
always assumed to be the role of a publisher. Am I incorrect?

They shouldn't give anything to you unless they are desperate...

There's a world full of musicians desparate to get their songs heard.
And monitized! Including myself. No shame in that.
And they're not "giving me" anything! I'm specifically asking
how best to set this up so that they retain full rights to their music
outside of what is earned through this movie. If it's too much of a
headache doing these cues, the movie guys will just have to scrounge
up the cash to buy some generic stuff from some song library. All I'm
personally really interested in doing is the title song, not these
cues.
Eggy, I'm slightly hurt that you seem to be questioning my
integrity. I thought you knew me better than that. Hopefully I'm
just mis-interpreting your mis-interpretation.

"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

Me too, that's why I'm asking. :)
Cheers, Rick.