Before y'all tell me not to do this, I did it already....it's not written in
stone though.

I've got a mix, I hate the snare...it's a done deal though. I'm stuck with it
for now.
I took the stuff over to a respected Mastering guy in town to do 2 tunes for me
as a free evaluation. I brought the mix in question just to see if he could
zero something in on the snare frequency EQ-wise & help me not hate it as much.
He basically thought it was okay just too loud...which it is. So he zero'd in
on the transients(is that the right word? I dunno) where it was spiking &
brought a few of them down. He said that would work only it would take a long
time doing every backbeat. So.............I did it at home in Nuendo, I was
very careful & only grabbed the minimum part of each snare smack....brought 'em
down 2db.

It doesn't seem like I wrecked the tune. I still hate the sound of the snare
but at least it's softer. Bad idea?



Me at:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/andymostmusic.htm

It doesn't seem like I wrecked the tune. I still hate the sound of the
snare
but at least it's softer. Bad idea?

Andy, it's hard to tell without hearing the "before" & "after", but if this
guy is indeed a 'respected mastering guy', then he likely didn't give you
bad advice.

You might also try some compression on the snare track - that'll flatten
things out a bit.... just don't set the threshhold too low to start with so
you don't kill the dymamics entirely, and try a 2-1 or 3-1 ratio at first &
see what happens.

--


Neil Henderson
Progressive Rock
http://www.saqqararecords.com

Um... SoundReplacer...?

--
Steven Sena
XS Sound Recording
www.xssound.com
"Mondoslug1" wrote in message
...
Before y'all tell me not to do this, I did it already....it's not written
in
stone though.

I've got a mix, I hate the snare...it's a done deal though. I'm stuck with
it
for now.
I took the stuff over to a respected Mastering guy in town to do 2 tunes
for me
as a free evaluation. I brought the mix in question just to see if he
could
zero something in on the snare frequency EQ-wise & help me not hate it as
much.
He basically thought it was okay just too loud...which it is. So he zero'd
in
on the transients(is that the right word? I dunno) where it was spiking &
brought a few of them down. He said that would work only it would take a
long
time doing every backbeat. So.............I did it at home in Nuendo, I
was
very careful & only grabbed the minimum part of each snare
smack....brought 'em
down 2db.

It doesn't seem like I wrecked the tune. I still hate the sound of the
snare
but at least it's softer. Bad idea?



Me at:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/andymostmusic.htm

In article aht writes:

I've got a mix, I hate the snare...it's a done deal though. I'm stuck with it
for now.
I took the stuff over to a respected Mastering guy in town to do 2 tunes for me
as a free evaluation.

He basically thought it was okay just too loud...which it is. So he zero'd in
on the transients(is that the right word? I dunno) where it was spiking &
brought a few of them down. He said that would work only it would take a long
time doing every backbeat. So.............I did it at home in Nuendo, I was
very careful & only grabbed the minimum part of each snare smack....brought 'em
down 2db.

I assume that when looking at the "grass" you saw the snare sticking
above everything else. Or were there other things that were as high as
the snare, just not at the same time?

If you just reduced the highest peaks (which happened to be the snare)
by 2 dB, this is essentially the same as applying 2 dB of peak
limiting. I'm surprised that the mastering engineer didn't try that
first. Or maybe he did and it didn't sound right because it was taking
other things besides the snare down.

Anyway, if it sounds better after your surgery, that's a good thing,
not something to worry about.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

neil.henderson wrote:

It doesn't seem like I wrecked the tune. I still hate the sound of the
snare but at least it's softer. Bad idea?

Andy, it's hard to tell without hearing the "before" & "after", but if this
guy is indeed a 'respected mastering guy', then he likely didn't give you
bad advice.

You might also try some compression on the snare track - that'll flatten
things out a bit.... just don't set the threshhold too low to start with so
you don't kill the dymamics entirely, and try a 2-1 or 3-1 ratio at first &
see what happens.

Sidechain, and whup on it. g

--
ha

Mike Rivers wrote:

In article
writes:

I've got a mix, I hate the snare...it's a done deal though. I'm stuck with
it
for now.
I took the stuff over to a respected Mastering guy in town to do 2 tunes
for me
as a free evaluation.

He basically thought it was okay just too loud...which it is. So he zero'd
in
on the transients(is that the right word? I dunno) where it was spiking &
brought a few of them down. He said that would work only it would take a
long
time doing every backbeat. So.............I did it at home in Nuendo, I was
very careful & only grabbed the minimum part of each snare smack....brought
'em
down 2db.

I assume that when looking at the "grass" you saw the snare sticking
above everything else. Or were there other things that were as high as
the snare, just not at the same time?


Hey Mike, yes they stick out pretty high so it's easy to spot...except when the
wimenz are wailing then it doesn't quite stand out as much. No the snare was
definitley sticking out above everything else though.

If you just reduced the highest peaks (which happened to be the snare)
by 2 dB, this is essentially the same as applying 2 dB of peak
limiting. I'm surprised that the mastering engineer didn't try that
first. Or maybe he did and it didn't sound right because it was taking
other things besides the snare down.

Anyway, if it sounds better after your surgery, that's a good thing,
not something to worry about.



Yeah I think it's okay, just played it for the girls & they liked it. Good
point about the peak limiting...I don't remember if he tried that or not.....I
threw this tune at him at the last minute & said hey can you fix this?

It's going back to him one more time to trim & stuff, maybe I'll run it by him
again if we have the cash. He likes the stuff so that's a plus for getting him
to look at stuff when the clock's not running.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo











Me at:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/andymostmusic.htm

Steve Sena wrote:

Um... SoundReplacer...?

--

Unfortunately the tune is a 2 track mix for now.

I think like the snare sound...I just don't like the way it ended up on this
mix


Steven Sena
XS Sound Recording
www.xssound.com
"Mondoslug1" wrote in message
...
Before y'all tell me not to do this, I did it already....it's not written
in
stone though.

I've got a mix, I hate the snare...it's a done deal though. I'm stuck with
it
for now.
I took the stuff over to a respected Mastering guy in town to do 2 tunes
for me
as a free evaluation. I brought the mix in question just to see if he
could
zero something in on the snare frequency EQ-wise & help me not hate it as
much.
He basically thought it was okay just too loud...which it is. So he zero'd
in
on the transients(is that the right word? I dunno) where it was spiking &
brought a few of them down. He said that would work only it would take a
long
time doing every backbeat. So.............I did it at home in Nuendo, I
was
very careful & only grabbed the minimum part of each snare
smack....brought 'em
down 2db.

It doesn't seem like I wrecked the tune. I still hate the sound of the
snare
but at least it's softer. Bad idea?



Me at:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/andymostmusic.htm




















Me at:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/andymostmusic.htm

Neil H. wrote:

It doesn't seem like I wrecked the tune. I still hate the sound of the
snare
but at least it's softer. Bad idea?

Andy, it's hard to tell without hearing the "before" & "after", but if this
guy is indeed a 'respected mastering guy', then he likely didn't give you
bad advice.

You might also try some compression on the snare track - that'll flatten
things out a bit.... just don't set the threshhold too low to start with so
you don't kill the dymamics entirely, and try a 2-1 or 3-1 ratio at first &
see what happens.


Hey Neil, it sounds okay what I did. Unfortunately this is a 2 track mix so
there is no snare track to add compression to. Actually I think there's too
much on there to begin with ....nother story
Won't be re-mixing any time soon unless some additional coinage is produced

--


Neil Henderson
Progressive Rock
http://www.saqqararecords.com














Me at:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/andymostmusic.htm

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 8:18:02 -0800, Mondoslug1 wrote
(in message ):

I've got a mix, I hate the snare...it's a done deal though. I'm stuck with it
for now.
--------------------------------snip----------------------------------

Not necessarily! I heard a demo of Sony Oxford's "Transient Modulator" at
NAMM a couple of months ago, and they showed me how it was possible to tweak
a finished mix in order to bring out or suppress stuff like snare hits.
Here's their description:

"The Sony Transient Modulator is an application that allows dynamic level of
signals to be modified by the transients in the programme material over time.
The effect is to bring transient events in the programme forwards, or push
them into to the background, such that the attacks of instruments can be
accentuated or softened depending on settings."

I'm not saying the thing was miraculous, but this was a far more
sophisticated process than just a gate or an EQ. I suspect this would help
solve your problem much better than anything else out there, assuming you
have access to a ProTools TDM system.

I don't think the Oxford plug-ins are compatible with Nuendo, unless Nuendo
can handle RTAS now.

--MFW

aht (Mondoslug1) wrote in message ...

Hey Neil, it sounds okay what I did. Unfortunately this is a 2 track mix so
there is no snare track to add compression to. Actually I think there's too
much on there to begin with ....nother story
Won't be re-mixing any time soon unless some additional coinage is produced

If I were you, Mondo, and it still bugged me that much, I would suck
it up. Recall the mix, trim the snare back the 2 dB in automation or
compress it. If you have that much invested in the project, your
personal return on the investment of your time will far exceed what
your client will pay you to do this. Besides, recalls are what ya
have assistants for, right?
just my $0.02 -kooz

atomic79 wrote:

(Mondoslug1) wrote in message
...

Hey Neil, it sounds okay what I did. Unfortunately this is a 2 track mix so
there is no snare track to add compression to. Actually I think there's too
much on there to begin with ....nother story
Won't be re-mixing any time soon unless some additional coinage is
produced

If I were you, Mondo, and it still bugged me that much, I would suck
it up.

lol. It could happen.

Recall the mix, trim the snare back the 2 dB in automation or
compress it. If you have that much invested in the project, your
personal return on the investment of your time will far exceed what
your client will pay you to do this. Besides, recalls are what ya
have assistants for, right?
just my $0.02 -kooz