Hi, guys, I'm also using Behringer gears for years and they are still
in perfect use.

What I use at the moment very often are behringer's small guitar combo
Firebird GX108 for practising in a small room and V-AMPIRE in a
rehearsal room. Behringer GX108 seems to be now out of catalogue?? but
hey, it's awesome. Just plug into it and turn up the volume! The big
sound direct in the face. EQs are very delicate and you can set the
various tone with them easily. Tone change is not so soft, but not too
sharp. Very precise, I'd say. I sometimes add a distortion and delay
effects in betweend and it also helps to get fun with this small
combo. I actually didn't expect this combo would sounds sooo good in
my small room when I just tested it in a store, but I really liked its
vintage design and the simplicity it has and I bought it. This GX108
turned out to be a perfect fun-maker for a free-time chopping, you
know.

I'm also very curious about Behringer's V-Tone GM108. It's also a
small combo with 15 watt and it looks not so smarty, but its analog
modeling function sounds very interesting... 70 USD for this small
thing alone is a bit expensive, but I'll try to test it somewhere if
possible. It might be a good idea that I buy the behringer v-tone
guitar pack as the amp is included in this package and give someone
(maybe my nephew?) as a present. Then I can test it easily, hehe.

About my BEHRINGER V-ampire, I just like it as it is although I myself
still have some difficulties to figure out how to controll all these
effects and MIDIs. I don't own any MIDI-footswitches, so I just plug
my guitar directly into the box and play. I bought it a few weeks ago
as my friend in Japan told me it sounded awesome when it was presented
at music fair out there in the last autumn. I didn't have prior
testings but it was a love at the first glance, I couldn't help myself
from ordering it right after I checked it out on Behringer website and
saw the features. The price for these functions are simply
impossible!! The reason why I'm totally attracted at Behringer's
products are its price in the first place. Some people are talking bad
about behringer and I don't know what's happening or has happened to
them before, but I really don't care such things. The most important
thing for me is to get good quality products for a fair prices, which
behringer does. If you own an amp like Vampire, you just can't
complain anything. As far as I know, Behringer offeres the best
possible gears for the lowest possible price. I'm more than satisfied
about my behringer gears and I'm already planning to buy another
behringer stuffs such as FCB1010 footcontroller or DI box or whatever.
I'm sure I can share my opinion about behringer gears and its quality
with somebody else here... can't I?

thanks and bye bye!

We've been hitt again.

wow.

Hi, guys, I'm also using Behringer gears for years and they are still
in perfect use.

What I use at the moment very often are behringer's small guitar combo
Firebird GX108 for practising in a small room and V-AMPIRE in a
rehearsal room. Behringer GX108 seems to be now out of catalogue?? but
hey, it's awesome. Just plug into it and turn up the volume! The big
sound direct in the face. EQs are very delicate and you can set the
various tone with them easily. Tone change is not so soft, but not too
sharp. Very precise, I'd say. I sometimes add a distortion and delay
effects in betweend and it also helps to get fun with this small
combo. I actually didn't expect this combo would sounds sooo good in
my small room when I just tested it in a store, but I really liked its
vintage design and the simplicity it has and I bought it. This GX108
turned out to be a perfect fun-maker for a free-time chopping, you
know.

I'm also very curious about Behringer's V-Tone GM108. It's also a
small combo with 15 watt and it looks not so smarty, but its analog
modeling function sounds very interesting... 70 USD for this small
thing alone is a bit expensive, but I'll try to test it somewhere if
possible. It might be a good idea that I buy the behringer v-tone
guitar pack as the amp is included in this package and give someone
(maybe my nephew?) as a present. Then I can test it easily, hehe.

About my BEHRINGER V-ampire, I just like it as it is although I myself
still have some difficulties to figure out how to controll all these
effects and MIDIs. I don't own any MIDI-footswitches, so I just plug
my guitar directly into the box and play. I bought it a few weeks ago
as my friend in Japan told me it sounded awesome when it was presented
at music fair out there in the last autumn. I didn't have prior
testings but it was a love at the first glance, I couldn't help myself
from ordering it right after I checked it out on Behringer website and
saw the features. The price for these functions are simply
impossible!! The reason why I'm totally attracted at Behringer's
products are its price in the first place. Some people are talking bad
about behringer and I don't know what's happening or has happened to
them before, but I really don't care such things. The most important
thing for me is to get good quality products for a fair prices, which
behringer does. If you own an amp like Vampire, you just can't
complain anything. As far as I know, Behringer offeres the best
possible gears for the lowest possible price. I'm more than satisfied
about my behringer gears and I'm already planning to buy another
behringer stuffs such as FCB1010 footcontroller or DI box or whatever.
I'm sure I can share my opinion about behringer gears and its quality
with somebody else here... can't I?

thanks and bye bye!











Palmer Guit DI Examples at:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/andymostmusic.htm

Hittmann wrote:

Hi, guys, I'm also using Behringer gears for years and they are still
in perfect use.

You **** little pills that Beri gives you; trying chewing them befrore
swallowing.

--
ha

Hittmann wrote:
Hi, guys, I'm also using Trojan Rubbers for years and they are still in
perfect use.

What I use at the moment very often are Trojan's small rubber Petite for
practising in a small room and Extra-Petite in a rehearsal room. Trojan
Petite seems to be now out of catalogue?? but hey, it's awesome. The big
squirt direct in the face not so soft, but not too sharp. Very precise, I'd
say. I helps to get fun with this small combo. I actually didn't expect this
combo would squirts sooo gooo in my small room when I just tested it in a
store, but I really liked its vintage design and the simplicity it has and I
bought it. This Petite turned out to be a perfect fun-maker for a free-time
chopping, you know.

I'm also very curious about Trojan's Super-extra-petite. It's also a small
smarty, but its analog modeling function squirts very interesting... I'll try
to test it somewhere if possible. It might be a good idea that I buy the
Trojan rubber pack as the lube is included in this package and give someone
(maybe my nephew?) as a present. Then I can test it easily,
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.

About my Trojan Extra-Petite, I just like it as it is although I myself still
have some difficulties to figure out how to controll. I don't have any
MIDI-girlfriends, so I just plug my rubber directly into the box and play. I
bought it a few weeks ago as my friend in Japan told me it squirted awesome.
As far as I know, Trojan offeres the best possible Rubbers for the lowest
possible price. I'm more than satisfied about my Trojan Rubbers and I'm
already planning to buy another Trojan stuffs. I'm sure I can share my
opinion about Trojan Rubbers and its quality with somebody else here... can't
I?

thanks and bye bye!

Please have someone who speaks English proofread your post before you send
it. Thanks...

--
Steven Sena
XS Sound Recording
www.xssound.com
"Hittmann" wrote in message
om...
Hi, guys, I'm also using Behringer gears for years and they are still
in perfect use.

What I use at the moment very often are behringer's small guitar combo
Firebird GX108 for practising in a small room and V-AMPIRE in a
rehearsal room. Behringer GX108 seems to be now out of catalogue?? but
hey, it's awesome. Just plug into it and turn up the volume! The big
sound direct in the face. EQs are very delicate and you can set the
various tone with them easily. Tone change is not so soft, but not too
sharp. Very precise, I'd say. I sometimes add a distortion and delay
effects in betweend and it also helps to get fun with this small
combo. I actually didn't expect this combo would sounds sooo good in
my small room when I just tested it in a store, but I really liked its
vintage design and the simplicity it has and I bought it. This GX108
turned out to be a perfect fun-maker for a free-time chopping, you
know.

I'm also very curious about Behringer's V-Tone GM108. It's also a
small combo with 15 watt and it looks not so smarty, but its analog
modeling function sounds very interesting... 70 USD for this small
thing alone is a bit expensive, but I'll try to test it somewhere if
possible. It might be a good idea that I buy the behringer v-tone
guitar pack as the amp is included in this package and give someone
(maybe my nephew?) as a present. Then I can test it easily, hehe.

About my BEHRINGER V-ampire, I just like it as it is although I myself
still have some difficulties to figure out how to controll all these
effects and MIDIs. I don't own any MIDI-footswitches, so I just plug
my guitar directly into the box and play. I bought it a few weeks ago
as my friend in Japan told me it sounded awesome when it was presented
at music fair out there in the last autumn. I didn't have prior
testings but it was a love at the first glance, I couldn't help myself
from ordering it right after I checked it out on Behringer website and
saw the features. The price for these functions are simply
impossible!! The reason why I'm totally attracted at Behringer's
products are its price in the first place. Some people are talking bad
about behringer and I don't know what's happening or has happened to
them before, but I really don't care such things. The most important
thing for me is to get good quality products for a fair prices, which
behringer does. If you own an amp like Vampire, you just can't
complain anything. As far as I know, Behringer offeres the best
possible gears for the lowest possible price. I'm more than satisfied
about my behringer gears and I'm already planning to buy another
behringer stuffs such as FCB1010 footcontroller or DI box or whatever.
I'm sure I can share my opinion about behringer gears and its quality
with somebody else here... can't I?

thanks and bye bye!

"Mondoslug1" wrote in message
...

wow.

Holy crap... I'm buying one tomorrow. Gonna sell my Vox, Fender and
Marshalls for one of these things.

Time to dump that Matchless Mr. Mondoslug and get a vintage Beri!


--
Jeff

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/je...atoremusic.htm

(Hittmann)

Behringer guitar amps rule!!

Maybe they "rule" in the disposable piece of dreck sound world you live
in, but they do not rule in the Pro Audio world. Marshalls, Mesa Boogies,
Fenders, Ampegs, Acoustics, Tech 21 and Boutique amps are the general rule if
you want great sound on a record. Not that there aren't good amps by G&K,
Roland, Peavey, Randall or Crate. Did Uri give you all that "B" gear for free?
If so it's the right price.

I'm sure I can share my opinion about behringer gears and its quality with
somebody else here... can't I?

Garbage in garbage out.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

"Hittmann" wrote in message
om...
Hi, guys, I'm also using Behringer gears for years and they are still
in perfect use.

no, you just try to spread anger onto B-stuff. ie. trolling.
I would not replace my AC30 with Behr, obviously, but
on the other hand I don't think B is any worse than any other
low end stuff out there. They're all made by happy children of China.

-jp

On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:04:04 -0800, Hittmann wrote:

snip
possible gears for the lowest possible price. I'm more than satisfied
about my behringer gears and I'm already planning to buy another
behringer stuffs such as FCB1010 footcontroller or DI box or whatever.

Now, the FCB1010 is a bit of behringer gear that I would advocate. It's
well made, cheap, and has very comprehensive midi spec. A little tricky to
program until you get the hang of it, but makes sense in the end.

It's the only piece of behringer gear I own, and I have no complaints.
It's been touring with me a while and taken a few serious knocks, but
keeps working fine.

I'm sure I can share my opinion about behringer gears and its quality
with somebody else here... can't I?

As long as you are honest about their stuff that *is* bad.


thanks and bye bye!

"Jari Pietila"

wrote
Hi, guys, I'm also using Behringer gears for years and they are still
in perfect use.

no, you just try to spread anger onto B-stuff. ie. trolling.

Jeez. If you think he is just "trolling" "to spread anger onto B-Stuff"
why did you say to Ty Ford that you _liked_ "Hittman"'s Behringer commercialt?

Are you stoned or what?


Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

How about we all report this to (and maybe
and while we're at it) and
let the ISP's sort them out. The previous run was also from Germany,
but I recall it being a diffeent ISP, perhaps the earlier run should
be reported too.

I don't filter Usenet, but if I did, I'd drop (among other things)
posts through google from hotmail and yahoo addresses - that would get
rid of a lot of shill and troll crap posts. It would drop the
occasional legit poster as well, but nowadays legit poster should know
that posting through google with a free email address is a bad
combination.


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The few things I've personally heard by Behr I was not impressed with...
another individual I know has had not one, but TWO Beheringer products
catch fire in his rack, on two separate occasions. Considerng this, I think
it's safe to say that I would be hard-pressed to consider ANY product by
Behringer for any application in which I had a choice of product lines that
equated to: "Behringer vs. ANYthing else".

And I'm no gear snob, either.

--
Neil Henderson
Progressive Rock
http://www.saqqararecords.com


"Hittmann" wrote in message
om...
Hi, guys, I'm also using Behringer gears for years and they are still
in perfect use.

What I use at the moment very often are behringer's small guitar combo
Firebird GX108 for practising in a small room and V-AMPIRE in a
rehearsal room. Behringer GX108 seems to be now out of catalogue?? but
hey, it's awesome. Just plug into it and turn up the volume! The big
sound direct in the face. EQs are very delicate and you can set the
various tone with them easily. Tone change is not so soft, but not too
sharp. Very precise, I'd say. I sometimes add a distortion and delay
effects in betweend and it also helps to get fun with this small
combo. I actually didn't expect this combo would sounds sooo good in
my small room when I just tested it in a store, but I really liked its
vintage design and the simplicity it has and I bought it. This GX108
turned out to be a perfect fun-maker for a free-time chopping, you
know.

I'm also very curious about Behringer's V-Tone GM108. It's also a
small combo with 15 watt and it looks not so smarty, but its analog
modeling function sounds very interesting... 70 USD for this small
thing alone is a bit expensive, but I'll try to test it somewhere if
possible. It might be a good idea that I buy the behringer v-tone
guitar pack as the amp is included in this package and give someone
(maybe my nephew?) as a present. Then I can test it easily, hehe.

About my BEHRINGER V-ampire, I just like it as it is although I myself
still have some difficulties to figure out how to controll all these
effects and MIDIs. I don't own any MIDI-footswitches, so I just plug
my guitar directly into the box and play. I bought it a few weeks ago
as my friend in Japan told me it sounded awesome when it was presented
at music fair out there in the last autumn. I didn't have prior
testings but it was a love at the first glance, I couldn't help myself
from ordering it right after I checked it out on Behringer website and
saw the features. The price for these functions are simply
impossible!! The reason why I'm totally attracted at Behringer's
products are its price in the first place. Some people are talking bad
about behringer and I don't know what's happening or has happened to
them before, but I really don't care such things. The most important
thing for me is to get good quality products for a fair prices, which
behringer does. If you own an amp like Vampire, you just can't
complain anything. As far as I know, Behringer offeres the best
possible gears for the lowest possible price. I'm more than satisfied
about my behringer gears and I'm already planning to buy another
behringer stuffs such as FCB1010 footcontroller or DI box or whatever.
I'm sure I can share my opinion about behringer gears and its quality
with somebody else here... can't I?

thanks and bye bye!

"WillStG" wrote in message
...
"Jari Pietila"

no, you just try to spread anger onto B-stuff. ie. trolling.

Jeez. If you think he is just "trolling" "to spread anger onto
B-Stuff"
why did you say to Ty Ford that you _liked_ "Hittman"'s Behringer
commercialt?

Are you stoned or what?

I did not refer to Hittman's post in my another reply.
And I did not say I liked anything, I said I did not dislike
someone posting his opinions. It is easy to flame people by
throwing in inaccurate references.

Since I'm not stoned I must be what.

-jp

In article writes:

How about we all report this to (and maybe
and while we're at it) and
let the ISP's sort them out.

How about we forget about it and just ignore messages praising
questionable gear? An ISP won't do anything about it. You're just
getting yourself worked up over something futile.

Like just about anything else in audio, at some point you have to
listen to it. Better to do that before you buy, but there's no reason
to stop someone from trying an amplifier based on the appearance of
spam in a newsgroup. Let the buyer beware.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

Hittmann wrote:

I'm sure I can share my opinion about behringer gears and its quality
with somebody else here... can't I?

I just read about a guy testing his new Behringer ADA8000. The specs are
apparently an outright lie; it'll do all of 80 dB SNR.

If the gtr amps are comparably good, I can understand why you'd love
'em.

--
ha

"hank alrich" wrote in message
. ..

I just read about a guy testing his new Behringer ADA8000. The specs are
apparently an outright lie; it'll do all of 80 dB SNR.

Where did you read that? And how come, that no one on rec.audio.pro that has
tested it, has told anything about that "fact" ? Who is the lier here?

/Preben Friis

"hank alrich" wrote in message



Hittmann wrote:

I'm sure I can share my opinion about behringer gears and its quality
with somebody else here... can't I?

I just read about a guy testing his new Behringer ADA8000. The specs
are apparently an outright lie; it'll do all of 80 dB SNR.

Could be true if the line level inputs go through the mic preamps, which
they probably do.

Excerpted from a report of testing the Berryfinger ADA8000, where you
probably get your full two hundred dollars worth of "24/96".

** Quotation Begins **

snipitty doo dah's happen - find this on PSW, too, if you've the
patience or urge

Test results:
- -------------

Screen shots were taken and put in the following ZIP file:

http://www.audiorail.com/ADA8000_test.zip (size = 688 KB)

When outputs were muted and 10 second recording was made with input
trims at maximum, noise was white with peaks of -36 dBFS and RMS power
of -47 dB referenced to RMS full scale sine wave.


Conclusions:
- ------------

Waveforms show that phase of the output signal is inverted going through
the unit, with respect to the digital signal provided into the unit.
(The phase of the input signal is not inverted in the other direction.)

Steady state FFT scans show roughly 70 dB S/N ratio at the +4 dB
setting, reducing to roughly 40 dB S/N ratio at maximum trim
sensitivity.

Transient response shots show some low frequency DC bias issues and some
phase alignment issues that vary by frequency, as well as a bit of
ringing

** Quotation Ends **

Might as well make "tunafish sandwich filling" out of tuna the kitty
already passed.

--
ha

Preben Friis wrote:

"hank alrich" wrote...

I just read about a guy testing his new Behringer ADA8000. The specs are
apparently an outright lie; it'll do all of 80 dB SNR.

Where did you read that?

See my other post in this thread about Barkingear "Quality". Or read the
most recent issue of the Pro Audio List. Or follow up via the
ProSoundWeb reviews forum. Look for the author, Mr. Garth D. Wiebe of
Audiorail.

And how come, that no one on rec.audio.pro that has
tested it, has told anything about that "fact" ?

Who on RAP has actually _bench tested the device_? Or is it just a bunch
of pro-Beri ******s easily posting **** about **** they don't know ****
about?

Who is the lier here?

See the test results and get back to me about issues of manufacturer
integrity. Hint: don't let the marketing department write your spec
sheets. They might be full of ****.

--
ha

Arny Krueger wrote:

"hank alrich" wrote

****tmann wrote:

I'm sure I can share my opinion about behringer gears and its quality
with somebody else here... can't I?

I just read about a guy testing his new Behringer ADA8000. The specs
are apparently an outright lie; it'll do all of 80 dB SNR.

Could be true if the line level inputs go through the mic preamps, which
they probably do.

And that ain't worst case. Follow my other post in this thread which
excerpts quotes from the guy's test results. Enjoy! g

--
ha

Some people will never get (or hear) the picture. 'Cheap' is all that
matters these days.

--
David Morgan (MAMS)
http://www.m-a-m-s.com
http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com





"hank alrich" wrote in message .. .
Excerpted from a report of testing the Berryfinger ADA8000, where you
probably get your full two hundred dollars worth of "24/96".

** Quotation Begins **

snipitty doo dah's happen - find this on PSW, too, if you've the
patience or urge

Test results:
- -------------

Screen shots were taken and put in the following ZIP file:

http://www.audiorail.com/ADA8000_test.zip (size = 688 KB)

When outputs were muted and 10 second recording was made with input
trims at maximum, noise was white with peaks of -36 dBFS and RMS power
of -47 dB referenced to RMS full scale sine wave.


Conclusions:
- ------------

Waveforms show that phase of the output signal is inverted going through
the unit, with respect to the digital signal provided into the unit.
(The phase of the input signal is not inverted in the other direction.)

Steady state FFT scans show roughly 70 dB S/N ratio at the +4 dB
setting, reducing to roughly 40 dB S/N ratio at maximum trim
sensitivity.

Transient response shots show some low frequency DC bias issues and some
phase alignment issues that vary by frequency, as well as a bit of
ringing

** Quotation Ends **

Might as well make "tunafish sandwich filling" out of tuna the kitty
already passed.

--
ha

"hank alrich" wrote in message

Preben Friis wrote:

"hank alrich" wrote...

I just read about a guy testing his new Behringer ADA8000. The
specs are apparently an outright lie; it'll do all of 80 dB SNR.

Where did you read that?

See my other post in this thread about Barkingear "Quality". Or read
the most recent issue of the Pro Audio List. Or follow up via the
ProSoundWeb reviews forum. Look for the author, Mr. Garth D. Wiebe of
Audiorail.

And how come, that no one on rec.audio.pro that has
tested it, has told anything about that "fact" ?

Who on RAP has actually _bench tested the device_? Or is it just a
bunch of pro-Beri ******s easily posting **** about **** they don't
know **** about?

Who is the lier here?

See the test results and get back to me about issues of manufacturer
integrity. Hint: don't let the marketing department write your spec
sheets. They might be full of ****.

Hang, I guess you mean this stuff:

http://srforum.prosoundweb.com/viewt...cb0878 11cf1a

It would be easier to judge the situation if these tests were accompanied
with tests made by more traditional means, i.e., the Audio Rightmark
(current edition 5.3) which is freely downloadable. I would expect Rightmark
tests to suck as bad.

If I was going to point fingers, I'd point at the mic preamps.

hank alrich wrote:
Hittmann wrote:

I'm sure I can share my opinion about behringer gears and its quality
with somebody else here... can't I?

I just read about a guy testing his new Behringer ADA8000. The specs are
apparently an outright lie; it'll do all of 80 dB SNR.

Yeah, but that's an audio industry tradition. I bet there is some condition
under which the specs are actually accurate. Possibly a condition you will
never encounter in the real world, mind you. But specsmanship and flat out
ludicrous numbers are pretty universal in the industry and aren't specific
to Behringer.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article writes:

Screen shots were taken and put in the following ZIP file:
http://www.audiorail.com/ADA8000_test.zip (size = 688 KB)

Steady state FFT scans show roughly 70 dB S/N ratio at the +4 dB
setting, reducing to roughly 40 dB S/N ratio at maximum trim
sensitivity.

The Audiorail guy has been posting to the Pro Audio list lately, and
mentioned this converter as a low cost companion to their Ethernet
snake system. He said it was "OK for PA use" but the response from an
installer said that if he included a piece of Bearrooger gear in a
proposal, he might as well toss it (the proposal) directly into the
trash and save the potential client the trouble. Apparently in the
sound contracting world, it just isn't taken seriously.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

"hank alrich" wrote:
Preben Friis wrote:

"hank alrich" wrote...

I just read about a guy testing his new Behringer ADA8000. The specs
are
apparently an outright lie; it'll do all of 80 dB SNR.

Where did you read that?

See my other post in this thread about Barkingear "Quality". Or read the
most recent issue of the Pro Audio List.

Where can that be found? A google search for "Pro Audio List" turned up
nothing special?

Or follow up via the
ProSoundWeb reviews forum. Look for the author, Mr. Garth D. Wiebe of
Audiorail.

The Audiorail page has nine links to ADA8000 on Behringers site. I actally
looks like he is an endorser of it. Cudos to him for attempting to make
objective tests of the product. I would love to study some tests of more
expensive converters with the same test equipment.
I am by no means an expert on the subject, but the comments about phase and
ringing did not mention, that this is what can be expected of any converter
due to the delay of the signal and the anti aliasing filters. It also looks
strange that all screen shots of a digital signal.
The hum levels (60 Hz and harmonics) looks extreme to me, even my Sound
Blaster has better figures there...!? Ground pollution, any dimmers nearby?

flame mode

And how come, that no one on rec.audio.pro that has
tested it, has told anything about that "fact" ?

Who on RAP has actually _bench tested the device_?

Who on r.a.p., besides Arny Krueger, benchtests anything and publishes the
results? The people I respect here often repeats that sound is something
that has to be heard and not pretty curves seen on a screen...

Or is it just a bunch
of pro-Beri ******s easily posting **** about **** they don't know ****
about?

If you **** actually **** know **** about the **** you **** post, please
tell us ****s excatly where Mr. Garth D. Wiebe's tests contradicts the ****
specs **** of ****ty ADA8000...!?

Please include the differences between dynamic range and S/N ratio, and tell
us why noise figures are usually weighted and not raw RMS readings, and why
noise are usually measured with terminated inputs. I also think you should
make a guess weather Behringer used the line or mic inputs when they
measured their specs.
We allready know that a preamp with an EIN of the theoretical minimum of 130
dB has a noise level of 70 dB at 60 dB gain so you don't have to mention
that.
Please also state the reason that you trust the results of a person that has
only two posts on r.a.p and five on prorec? Do you know him from somewhere
else? Do you know the quality of his measuring environment? Did you just see
a chance to slander some equipment you have never seen or heard as a genuine
opinionated asshole?

If you fail to explain the above, I must conclude that you are an old
anti-Beri geezer, that don't know **** and that only are grumpy because the
cheap new gear outperforms the old stuff that you have bought for a fortune.

Who is the lier here?

See the test results and get back to me about issues of manufacturer
integrity. Hint: don't let the marketing department write your spec
sheets. They might be full of ****.

For perspective: Here is a link to a random $500, 2 channel 20 bit converter
without preamps that claims a 100 dB dynamic range ...
http://www.mercenary.com/lucidada1000.html
.... and a test that indicates that the dynamic range is 90 dB.
http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/ADA1000/analog24/

So, what converters do you use, how are they spec'ed and how do they measure
in a benchtest?

I have now read the test and studied the curves. I have read the specs of
ADA8000, and I have re-read your posts.in this thread ...
The only conclusion I have come to yet, is that certainly someone is full of
****....

flame mode off

Best regards
/Preben Friis

(Mike Rivers) wrote in message news:znr1079095716k@trad...
In article writes:

How about we all report this to (and maybe
and while we're at it) and
let the ISP's sort them out.

How about we forget about it and just ignore messages praising
questionable gear? An ISP won't do anything about it. You're just
getting yourself worked up over something futile.

Like just about anything else in audio, at some point you have to
listen to it. Better to do that before you buy, but there's no reason
to stop someone from trying an amplifier based on the appearance of
spam in a newsgroup. Let the buyer beware.

Well the thing that kind of sucks about this guy's thread ****ing
everybody off is that the V-Amp Pro is actually pretty good for what
it is.

I'm not gonna suggest that it's good to replace real amps with but I
bought one to have around and the guys that have used it have
commented on it very favorably.

There are times when you want to write more than record, and something
like the V-amp lets you dial in something workable rather than getting
all involved in which mic, which pre, how you gonna mic it, etc.

Some people are really into the "I must capture every moment perfectly
because you never know when magic might hit and I want to make sure I
record it perfectly", but I'm not that anal retentive....the idea is
the key for me, don't let the knob twiddling get in the way of
creativity.

Still I get the impression these trollish posts are either just to get
Ty and ompany in a lather, or someone actually trying to ****
Behringer, I don't think it's "authorized PR" in any case.

I bet if you actually got everybody here to fess up, there'd be a lot
more "B" gear than people will readily admit. It's not usually part of
my "gold signal chain" but some of the stuff is pretty useful...not
even counting the cheapness factor.

Buying Behr gear is a bit like Taco Bell though, you feel like you've
eaten something but you wouldn't want to subsist on it g

Analogeezer

"hank alrich" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:

"hank alrich" wrote

****tmann wrote:

I'm sure I can share my opinion about behringer gears and its
quality with somebody else here... can't I?

I just read about a guy testing his new Behringer ADA8000. The specs
are apparently an outright lie; it'll do all of 80 dB SNR.

Could be true if the line level inputs go through the mic preamps,
which they probably do.

And that ain't worst case. Follow my other post in this thread which
excerpts quotes from the guy's test results. Enjoy! g

Looking at
http://srforum.prosoundweb.com/viewt...cb0878 11cf1a ,
I find the following semiconductor compliment:

Alesis Semiconductor AL1101 A/D converters
Alesis Semiconductor AL1201 D/A converters
Alesis Semiconductor AL1402 ADAT optical decoder
Alesis Semiconductor AL1401A ADAT optical encoder
Toshiba TORX176 Toslink receiver
Toshiba TOTX176 Toslink transmitter
ST Microelectronics TL074C and LM339 op amps

Many of these parts are digital interface chips which would be less suspect
in terms of their effect on analog signal quality. I've seen spec sheets for
the Alesis parts, but little else. Therefore they are suspect to me. I don't
have any special problems with TL074s as moderate-impedance, moderate gain,
line level parts. I've got questions about the use of them and LM339s as mic
preamps.

It appears that the genesis of the ADA8000 is that it might be literally the
front end and back end of an ADAT stuffed into a smaller box. While I
understand this when it comes to the digital interface parts, I don't
necessarily understand this as being a requirement or even a good idea when
it comes to the converters and analog interface parts.

I've seen a zillion negative comments about the sound quality of ADATs over
the years, and this may be part of the reason why.

You....**** off!

No really....**** off!!




"Hittmann" wrote in message
om...
Hi, guys, I'm also using Behringer gears for years and they are still
in perfect use.

What I use at the moment very often are behringer's small guitar combo
Firebird GX108 for practising in a small room and V-AMPIRE in a
rehearsal room. Behringer GX108 seems to be now out of catalogue?? but
hey, it's awesome. Just plug into it and turn up the volume! The big
sound direct in the face. EQs are very delicate and you can set the
various tone with them easily. Tone change is not so soft, but not too
sharp. Very precise, I'd say. I sometimes add a distortion and delay
effects in betweend and it also helps to get fun with this small
combo. I actually didn't expect this combo would sounds sooo good in
my small room when I just tested it in a store, but I really liked its
vintage design and the simplicity it has and I bought it. This GX108
turned out to be a perfect fun-maker for a free-time chopping, you
know.

I'm also very curious about Behringer's V-Tone GM108. It's also a
small combo with 15 watt and it looks not so smarty, but its analog
modeling function sounds very interesting... 70 USD for this small
thing alone is a bit expensive, but I'll try to test it somewhere if
possible. It might be a good idea that I buy the behringer v-tone
guitar pack as the amp is included in this package and give someone
(maybe my nephew?) as a present. Then I can test it easily, hehe.

About my BEHRINGER V-ampire, I just like it as it is although I myself
still have some difficulties to figure out how to controll all these
effects and MIDIs. I don't own any MIDI-footswitches, so I just plug
my guitar directly into the box and play. I bought it a few weeks ago
as my friend in Japan told me it sounded awesome when it was presented
at music fair out there in the last autumn. I didn't have prior
testings but it was a love at the first glance, I couldn't help myself
from ordering it right after I checked it out on Behringer website and
saw the features. The price for these functions are simply
impossible!! The reason why I'm totally attracted at Behringer's
products are its price in the first place. Some people are talking bad
about behringer and I don't know what's happening or has happened to
them before, but I really don't care such things. The most important
thing for me is to get good quality products for a fair prices, which
behringer does. If you own an amp like Vampire, you just can't
complain anything. As far as I know, Behringer offeres the best
possible gears for the lowest possible price. I'm more than satisfied
about my behringer gears and I'm already planning to buy another
behringer stuffs such as FCB1010 footcontroller or DI box or whatever.
I'm sure I can share my opinion about behringer gears and its quality
with somebody else here... can't I?

thanks and bye bye!

(Analogeezer)
I'm not gonna suggest that it's good to replace real amps with but I
bought one to have around and the guys that have used it have
commented on it very favorably.

There are times when you want to write more than record, and something
like the V-amp lets you dial in something workable rather than getting
all involved in which mic, which pre, how you gonna mic it, etc.

Well - you could say the same thing about a Pod, or a Zoom or a Pandora,
or playing with a Digitech Legend 21 through your stereo - all of which are
"workable" when you want to write. Or you could spend your $200 on something
like a Tech 21 Tradmark 10 amp that you can actually record decent guitar
sounds with too, and discourage these BS "reviewers" with appropriate criticism
for their lack of anything of substance to say.


Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

Preben Friis wrote:

Please also state the reason that you trust the results of a person that has
only two posts on r.a.p and five on prorec?

The Pro Audio List was founded by Gabe Weiner; perhaps you've heard of
him, seeing as how you're RAPping here.

http://www.pgm.com/

The person in question has been participating in a thread on the list,
and I judge him by his discourse therein.

--
ha

Preben Friis wrote:

The only conclusion I have come to yet, is that certainly someone is full of
****....

So you pretty much appreciate the sound of the ADA8000. Enjoy!

I prefer something in the mediocre quality area, like MIO and L2. That's
the best I can afford at the moment.

--
ha

"hank alrich" wrote in message

Preben Friis wrote:

The only conclusion I have come to yet, is that certainly someone is
full of ****....

So you pretty much appreciate the sound of the ADA8000. Enjoy!

I would prefer to reserve judgment on the ADA8000 until we see more data.

I suspect the *real* problem is that all the line inputs are going through
some fairly mediocre mic preamps. That and maybe some problems with the gain
structure.

I suspect that there are a lot of people who would like to throw stones at
the ADA8000, but routinely route *everything* through line inputs on
mid-priced or lower-end or old tech consoles that end up being not a heck of
a lot better.

"hank alrich" wrote in message
...
Preben Friis wrote:

The only conclusion I have come to yet, is that certainly someone is
full of
****....

So you pretty much appreciate the sound of the ADA8000. Enjoy!

I prefer something in the mediocre quality area, like MIO and L2. That's
the best I can afford at the moment.

I haven't head it ... but at least I don't judge something I haven't head.

Since you failed to back your statements about the specs, I can now safely
elevate my theory about you to facts.

/Preben Friis

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

It appears that the genesis of the ADA8000 is that it might be literally
the
front end and back end of an ADAT stuffed into a smaller box. While I
understand this when it comes to the digital interface parts, I don't
necessarily understand this as being a requirement or even a good idea
when
it comes to the converters and analog interface parts.

I've seen a zillion negative comments about the sound quality of ADATs
over
the years, and this may be part of the reason why.

The 24 bit converters are a few generations newer than the 16 bit converters
in ADAT's. What I guess is, that the ADA8000 uses the same converters as the
Alesis HD24.

Note that the measurements on prorec was, as you suspected, performed
through the mic inputs.

/Preben Friis

"Preben Friis" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

It appears that the genesis of the ADA8000 is that it might be
literally the front end and back end of an ADAT stuffed into a
smaller box. While I understand this when it comes to the digital
interface parts, I don't necessarily understand this as being a
requirement or even a good idea
when
it comes to the converters and analog interface parts.

I've seen a zillion negative comments about the sound quality of ADATs
over
the years, and this may be part of the reason why.

The 24 bit converters are a few generations newer than the 16 bit
converters in ADAT's. What I guess is, that the ADA8000 uses the same
converters as the Alesis HD24.

Note that the measurements on prorec was, as you suspected, performed
through the mic inputs.

Right. And at the price, I expect that the line inputs are attenuated and
then routed through the mic inputs.

Tip-offs:

(1) same range of gain (50 dB).

(2) No input selector switch.

I don't claim this is proof, but it does correlate.

In article znr1079133636k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote:
The Audiorail guy has been posting to the Pro Audio list lately, and
mentioned this converter as a low cost companion to their Ethernet
snake system. He said it was "OK for PA use" but the response from an
installer said that if he included a piece of Bearrooger gear in a
proposal, he might as well toss it (the proposal) directly into the
trash and save the potential client the trouble. Apparently in the
sound contracting world, it just isn't taken seriously.

The installed sound guys don't care so much about sound quality, but they
are VERY sensitive to reliability issues. They want gear that is intended
to be as bulletproof as possible, because it costs them a huge amount of
money to come out and replace something that fails under warranty. A couple
service calls can turn a profitable contract into an unprofitable one very
fast. And service calls once the warranty period has expired do not make
customers happy.

Very different than the typical consumer/semi=pro customer.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Preben Friis wrote:

Who on r.a.p., besides Arny Krueger, benchtests anything and publishes the
results? The people I respect here often repeats that sound is something
that has to be heard and not pretty curves seen on a screen...

I do. Get the latest Recording magazine. I think Paul Stamler does some
real measurements too.

You need to listen, and you need to measure. If you don't measure, you
don't know why you are hearing what you are hearing. If you don't listen,
you don't know if you are measuring something important or not.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article writes:

Still I get the impression these trollish posts are either just to get
Ty and ompany in a lather, or someone actually trying to ****
Behringer, I don't think it's "authorized PR" in any case.

I'm sure it isn't authorized PR, but maybe a dealer has encouraged his
happy customers to tell other people about the amplifier, and what's
"clueless" is that these enthusiasts are telling faceless people with
whom they have no other contact by broadcasting on Usenet newsgroups.

Now, THAT'S "clueless."


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In Article ,
(hank alrich) wrote:
Excerpted from a report of testing the Berryfinger ADA8000, where you
probably get your full two hundred dollars worth of "24/96".

** Quotation Begins **

snipitty doo dah's happen - find this on PSW, too, if you've the
patience or urge

Additional snippage for teh sake of a slimmer bucket of bits.

Might as well make "tunafish sandwich filling" out of tuna the kitty
already passed.

--
ha

My Dear Mr. Alrich,

To yoy sir, a high-tech MEOW! And thanks for your vigilance.

Regards,

Ty Ford

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click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford