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Mix Critique Please
Could you fine folks please critique this mix of a cover song that my
band did. This is my first attempt at mixing an entire band in my home studio. Thanks http://www.geocities.com/lincolnhwyg..._dirt_road.mp3 |
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Hi Mark,
I'm probably not the guy you where thinking of when putting in your request here. I'm still faily new at this also but I'll tell what I think. First I'd say that the song in genreal was played well by all. Maybe not a "tight" as most pro recordings but not bad. Vocals sound good and blend well with background vocals. The drums sound a bit dry to me. Need some verb on at least the snare. Not much but some. The overall music level has some dramatic level changes that need to be addressed. The intro of the song has levels to the point of clipping, then a fast fade to almost nothing when the vocals come in. I think if you listen to a pro mix/recording and try to get the levels balanced somewhere near that you'll find a better sounding mix overall. Good luck Cya Mark wrote: Could you fine folks please critique this mix of a cover song that my band did. This is my first attempt at mixing an entire band in my home studio. Thanks http://www.geocities.com/lincolnhwyg..._dirt_road.mp3 |
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hi,
if i were you, i'd have the band record this song a second time, but this time all in one room (noise gate, gobo) and - important - with no click ata all. Do many takes in good mood. Alternatively, you can of course go and do the drop'n'bounce thang for one or two nights in your editor. Not exactly fun, you may figure out. If the raw mix does it, start mixing. dafe |
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Well, at least it's not your 500th mix. I wouldn't even ask for input at
this point because you've got a long ways to go before anything someone tells you actually makes sense. However, for doing those first few mixes, do yourself a favor and put the mix away for a few days and come back to it. See what you, yourself, thinks of it. You'll probably be more critical in a positive manner than what any of us could say. Besides, if it's your first attempt, then you have plenty of excuses to play with the mix over and over again. Just remember that the first part of a musical recording is the music part. If that's not right, then it makes no difference about the recording part, unless what you plan to do is to learn to gain some tremendous editing skills. And the song could probably be edited to make it tight enough to really pay attention to a mix, but you won't do yourself any favors by spending a bunch of time mixing a product that you know doesn't have the timing or the chops to please the people that cut the tracks. That's up to them, and if you did the tracking and they didn't catch it, then it's also probably up to you to walk out and say "well, you guys need to listen to that first part and get in time with it or we are wasting our time". So what I'm saying is you need good music to track, and then you can have good tracks to mix. It makes mixing one hell of a lot easier to do. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Mark" wrote in message m... Could you fine folks please critique this mix of a cover song that my band did. This is my first attempt at mixing an entire band in my home studio. Thanks http://www.geocities.com/lincolnhwyg..._dirt_road.mp3 |
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Thanks to all that took time out to reply.
Playing it live is pretty much un-doable due to the logistics of the studio (My basement). The timing issue at the beginning is due to the fact that there is no click track. It is a live drummer, who played along with the rest of us doing a scratch track to one channel. I couldn't tell where the music started to lay down the integrated guitar parts at the beginning. Live and learn. Next time, I'll have him slam the high-hat when songs start that way. Or at least count 1-2-3-4. Something. I didn't even think of it at the time. Again, thank you. |
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"Mark" wrote in message om... The timing issue at the beginning is due to the fact that there is no click track. It is a live drummer, who played along with the rest of us doing a scratch track to one channel. I couldn't tell where the music started to lay down the integrated guitar parts at the beginning. One of the advantages of using a DAW for recording is that you can add a count-off after the fact. Record a count along with the playing on a spare track, then slide the track back until the count-off occurs at the right time before the music starts. Hal Laurent Baltimore |
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"Hal Laurent" wrote in message
"Mark" wrote in message om... The timing issue at the beginning is due to the fact that there is no click track. It is a live drummer, who played along with the rest of us doing a scratch track to one channel. I couldn't tell where the music started to lay down the integrated guitar parts at the beginning. One of the advantages of using a DAW for recording is that you can add a count-off after the fact. Record a count along with the playing on a spare track, then slide the track back until the count-off occurs at the right time before the music starts. Exactly. Using a good DAW, it's possible to synch tracks on a cough in the room or a dropped stick. |
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Well, here's a trick for adding that important guitar lick before the song
actually comes in. If you're working with tape, go back to a pre-roll position of a couple of seconds and do a count about 15 times until you know when the song starts. Then, arm the track and simply do a stick hit or clap and stop the recording. Now go back to the pre-roll, press start and count the tempo out from the clap and you'll know where to begin. If you're doing it on a DAW, then just do a clap track and fly it into wherever it works. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Mark" wrote in message om... Thanks to all that took time out to reply. Playing it live is pretty much un-doable due to the logistics of the studio (My basement). The timing issue at the beginning is due to the fact that there is no click track. It is a live drummer, who played along with the rest of us doing a scratch track to one channel. I couldn't tell where the music started to lay down the integrated guitar parts at the beginning. Live and learn. Next time, I'll have him slam the high-hat when songs start that way. Or at least count 1-2-3-4. Something. I didn't even think of it at the time. Again, thank you. |
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Mark wrote:
Could you fine folks please critique this mix of a cover song that my band did. Voice is good. I like the sound of the guitars, they sound real. Yes, drums are dry, so they are. And they are very amurrican. Don't fix them, they aint broken. Overall I like it. This is my first attempt at mixing an entire band in my home studio. Let us have a new listen in a couple of weeks, first digest all that everybody wrote. You are *not* meant to agree in all points made, but you should try to understand the reasoning and the viewpoint. Those were the sweet words ... now to a few minor points ... oh, go get that cup of coffee now, you may need it ... O;-) First of all, when you make a mix, then stop worrying about dynamic range and stop using that much automated gain reduction. It sounds plain silly when everything gets lower just because a new layer is added. Fader movement is generally too drastic. Don't do a lot of overall stuff on a mix, you take options away from mastering when you do, there is lots of overall squashing and it shouldn't have been there, it is just lazy mans automix, a sonic tv-dinner. The mix is right when you ask about and the question "what mix" is asked, at least in the sense that it should not as a general rule be _perceived_ as anything but a static mix. Same principle as in film or tv drama music being right, really really right, when the counter-question "what music" is asked when an opinion is sought. I have asked that counter question when asked what I thought about the music in a a british (bbc) tv-series, I plain had not noticed any music in it, just drooled over the beatifully recorded sound effects. The illusion I want when I hear such music is the illusion that a well played and well reinforced live performance could sound like that. Keep it simple, keep it clean. There is only one way to start loud and go louder, and that way is not to start loud and have the listener turn it up. http://www.geocities.com/lincolnhwyg..._dirt_road.mp3 Overall it is "kinda ok'ish". Some people have suggested that the ensemble should learn the music and play it. Listen to the Magiba sound example on my site, they're just a hobby ensemble, but they recorded a full CD at an average of 3 takes pr song and thus in only two non-consecutive sundays. Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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