Have 2 computers.

Computer 1 - Compaq Deskpro 2000 Pent I 150mhz, Win98 2 h/d's

Computer 2 - IBM PIII 550mhz, Win98SE, 2 h/d's

Both have USB ports.

I'm using the 2nd drive on computer 1 to record some vinyl and want to
transfer the files to the larger 60 gig 2nd drive on computer 2 for
later sound cleanup and eventual transfer to CD. While in theory it
would be simple to record using comp 2, it's being used for other
things.

I have a lot of albums to transfer, there's got to be a better way to
transfer the .wav files from one 'puter to the other than burning the
files to a rewritable disc in computer 1, then put the CD in computer
2 and copy/paste the files. This is too cumbersome.

Is there some quick/cheap easy way to accomplish transfer of the files
directly between these 2 computers using the USB ports other than
outright networking them?

HiC wrote:

Is there some quick/cheap easy way to accomplish transfer of the files
directly between these 2 computers using the USB ports other than
outright networking them?


"Networking" is connecting two or more computers in some manner in order
to share information, so I'm not sure what you mean by your above comment.

If you are determined on using USB, then something like this would
probably work out for you.
http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HE110A


-WD

Networking with NICs is cheaper and easier than USB.

"HiC" wrote in message
om...
Have 2 computers.

Is there some quick/cheap easy way to accomplish transfer of the files
directly between these 2 computers using the USB ports other than
outright networking them?

Is there some quick/cheap easy way to transfer files
directly between 2 computers using the USB ports
other than outright networking them?

Why do you need a direct transfer? There are plenty of USB-interface devices --
both RAM-based and HD-based -- that can be used for a transfer.

For example, I can connect my iRiver player to one computer, copy the file to
its hard drive, then connect the player to another computer and retrieve it.

"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message
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Is there some quick/cheap easy way to transfer files
directly between 2 computers using the USB ports
other than outright networking them?

Why do you need a direct transfer? There are plenty of USB-interface
devices --
both RAM-based and HD-based -- that can be used for a transfer.

For example, I can connect my iRiver player to one computer, copy the file
to
its hard drive, then connect the player to another computer and retrieve
it.


That's not a ideal solution really... a perm connection is really ideal for
file transferring. If your going to be moving tons of data.. Say
Gigs&Gigs&Gigs and have a need to keep the computers going then a Network or
USBNetwork would be ideal.. USB would be the faster option IF it works..
Some (verry verry few rather) Motherboards in the past have had this built
into them as a feature.. and connecting 2 of the motherboards directly gave
a great connection. Personally I wouldnt mind investing it it if I had a
few pc's to connect, Cheaper than the GigaCards and you get nearly half the
speed.

"rstlne" wrote in message

"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message
...
Is there some quick/cheap easy way to transfer files
directly between 2 computers using the USB ports
other than outright networking them?

Why do you need a direct transfer? There are plenty of USB-interface
devices -- both RAM-based and HD-based -- that can be used for a
transfer.

For example, I can connect my iRiver player to one computer, copy
the file to its hard drive, then connect the player to another
computer and retrieve it.


That's not a ideal solution really... a perm connection is really
ideal for file transferring. If your going to be moving tons of
data.. Say Gigs&Gigs&Gigs and have a need to keep the computers going
then a Network or USBNetwork would be ideal.. USB would be the faster
option IF it works.. Some (verry verry few rather) Motherboards in
the past have had this built into them as a feature.. and connecting
2 of the motherboards directly gave a great connection. Personally I
wouldnt mind investing it it if I had a few pc's to connect, Cheaper
than the GigaCards and you get nearly half the speed.

If you've got a permanent or semi-permanent application, then the setup
requirements of USB-USB networking; or if the network cards are already
there, just setting up a small LAN perhaps with no concentrator, but just a
cross-over cable. One nifty benefit of a regular LAN is printer sharing.

USB-USB network gizmos run around $30-40. Most of them are already USB 2.0
compatible, so even higher speeds than 100 BTX are possible.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

If you've got a permanent or semi-permanent application, then the setup
requirements of USB-USB networking; or if the network cards are already
there, just setting up a small LAN perhaps with no concentrator, but just a
cross-over cable. One nifty benefit of a regular LAN is printer sharing.

USB-USB network gizmos run around $30-40. Most of them are already USB 2.0
compatible, so even higher speeds than 100 BTX are possible.

Nobody achieves anything near USB's 480Mb/s, even hard drives see a
bottleneck.

Fast ethernet will do 80Mb/s, what do these USB "null modems" do?

A pair of NICs with cable go for 25 bux.

"Eric Gisin" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

If you've got a permanent or semi-permanent application, then the
setup requirements of USB-USB networking; or if the network cards
are already there, just setting up a small LAN perhaps with no
concentrator, but just a cross-over cable. One nifty benefit of a
regular LAN is printer sharing.

USB-USB network gizmos run around $30-40. Most of them are already
USB 2.0 compatible, so even higher speeds than 100 BTX are possible.

Nobody achieves anything near USB's 480Mb/s, even hard drives see a
bottleneck.

Agreed. I don't know how fast USB 2.0 really is - I don't have anything fast
enough to put at the other end!

Fast ethernet will do 80Mb/s, what do these USB "null modems" do?

http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HE110A

$17.95

The big plus is that you don't have to open your PCs to install. They are
especially applicable to people with laptops.

A pair of NICs with cable go for 25 bux.

Yes, but the installation is beyond many people's technical means.

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Eric Gisin" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

If you've got a permanent or semi-permanent application, then the
setup requirements of USB-USB networking; or if the network cards
are already there, just setting up a small LAN perhaps with no
concentrator, but just a cross-over cable. One nifty benefit of a
regular LAN is printer sharing.

USB-USB network gizmos run around $30-40. Most of them are already
USB 2.0 compatible, so even higher speeds than 100 BTX are possible.

Nobody achieves anything near USB's 480Mb/s, even hard drives see a
bottleneck.

Agreed. I don't know how fast USB 2.0 really is - I don't have anything
fast enough to put at the other end!

Fast ethernet will do 80Mb/s, what do these USB "null modems" do?

http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HE110A

$17.95

The big plus is that you don't have to open your PCs to install. They are
especially applicable to people with laptops.

A pair of NICs with cable go for 25 bux.

Yes, but the installation is beyond many people's technical means.

Anybody who can't figure out how to install a NIC is probably not going to
be up to the task of making USB networking run.

To that 17.95 add two USB 2 adapters if the machines are old enough that
they doesn't have network interfaces built in, unless you're willing to put
up with USB 1 performance, and if you're willing to do that then Ethernet
hardware is pretty much free.

And it takes as much expertise to put those USB 2 adapters in the machines
as it does to install NICs.

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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

On 28 Feb 2004 09:23:03 -0800, (HiC) wrote:

I'm using the 2nd drive on computer 1 to record some vinyl and want to
transfer the files to the larger 60 gig 2nd drive on computer 2 for
later sound cleanup and eventual transfer to CD. While in theory it
would be simple to record using comp 2, it's being used for other
things.

I have a lot of albums to transfer, there's got to be a better way to
transfer the .wav files from one 'puter to the other than burning the
files to a rewritable disc in computer 1, then put the CD in computer
2 and copy/paste the files. This is too cumbersome.

Is there some quick/cheap easy way to accomplish transfer of the files
directly between these 2 computers using the USB ports other than
outright networking them?

There are ways of making a network using USB. I think the hardware
required would cost rather more than a couple of pci network cards and
a crossover cable, which are now commodity items. Either solution
would, of course, be "networking" the two machines.

Is there a particular reason you don't want to put in network cards?

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
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"HiC" wrote in message
om...
Have 2 computers.

Computer 1 - Compaq Deskpro 2000 Pent I 150mhz, Win98 2 h/d's

Computer 2 - IBM PIII 550mhz, Win98SE, 2 h/d's

Both have USB ports.

I'm using the 2nd drive on computer 1 to record some vinyl and want to
transfer the files to the larger 60 gig 2nd drive on computer 2 for
later sound cleanup and eventual transfer to CD. While in theory it
would be simple to record using comp 2, it's being used for other
things.

I have a lot of albums to transfer, there's got to be a better way to
transfer the .wav files from one 'puter to the other than burning the
files to a rewritable disc in computer 1, then put the CD in computer
2 and copy/paste the files. This is too cumbersome.

Is there some quick/cheap easy way to accomplish transfer of the files
directly between these 2 computers using the USB ports other than
outright networking them?

You can buy a USB "crossover" cable - i have one made by Trust, although i
have only used it once to recover a laptop PC with a broken Enet port. The
manual claims this "scales" up to 17 PCs - but that would require daisy
chaining - the driver includes bridging support.

If you must use USB for networking, i think you are better off with USB
attached Enet adaptors - easier to adapt to other devices such as routers.

However, i believe that the drivers for LAN cards tend to be more reliable
and more efficient on CPU load and performance - no hard evidence, just "gut
feel"
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Stephen Hope - remove xx from email to reply

"shope" wrote ...
You can buy a USB "crossover" cable ...

It is actually a lot more than just a "crossover cable".
Connecting two "master"s (the computers) to each
other requires active data management, buffereing, and
re-packaging inbetween so they don't fight with each other.
There is at least a microcontroller and RAM in there.

"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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On 28 Feb 2004 09:23:03 -0800, (HiC) wrote:

I'm using the 2nd drive on computer 1 to record some vinyl and want to
transfer the files to the larger 60 gig 2nd drive on computer 2 for
later sound cleanup and eventual transfer to CD. While in theory it
would be simple to record using comp 2, it's being used for other
things.

I have a lot of albums to transfer, there's got to be a better way to
transfer the .wav files from one 'puter to the other than burning the
files to a rewritable disc in computer 1, then put the CD in computer
2 and copy/paste the files. This is too cumbersome.

Is there some quick/cheap easy way to accomplish transfer of the files
directly between these 2 computers using the USB ports other than
outright networking them?

There are ways of making a network using USB. I think the hardware
required would cost rather more than a couple of pci network cards and
a crossover cable, which are now commodity items. Either solution
would, of course, be "networking" the two machines.

Is there a particular reason you don't want to put in network cards?

Take a look at the earlier post..
It seems like it can be done for about 65% of the cost of traditional
ethernet

"rstlne" wrote in message ...

"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
...
On 28 Feb 2004 09:23:03 -0800, (HiC) wrote:

I'm using the 2nd drive on computer 1 to record some vinyl and want to
transfer the files to the larger 60 gig 2nd drive on computer 2 for
later sound cleanup and eventual transfer to CD. While in theory it
would be simple to record using comp 2, it's being used for other
things.

I have a lot of albums to transfer, there's got to be a better way to
transfer the .wav files from one 'puter to the other than burning the
files to a rewritable disc in computer 1, then put the CD in computer
2 and copy/paste the files. This is too cumbersome.

Is there some quick/cheap easy way to accomplish transfer of the files
directly between these 2 computers using the USB ports other than
outright networking them?

There are ways of making a network using USB. I think the hardware
required would cost rather more than a couple of pci network cards and
a crossover cable, which are now commodity items. Either solution
would, of course, be "networking" the two machines.

Is there a particular reason you don't want to put in network cards?

Take a look at the earlier post..
It seems like it can be done for about 65% of the cost of traditional
ethernet

Really depends on the detail of where you get the traditional ethernet.

Hard to beat the price of very decent 10/100 PCI NICs on ebay.

And its a lot more standard than other approaches too.

Really depends on the detail of where you get the traditional ethernet.

Hard to beat the price of very decent 10/100 PCI NICs on ebay.

And its a lot more standard than other approaches too.


Yea but Ethernet in itself is just a transport medium..
Installing TCP/IP over the USB transport would mean that windows see's it
just the same as a "standard" 10/100 network.
Ebay pricing probably isnt a good way to go cause we could say that people
dumping the usb kit would sell it for a cheaper price too..
And really 17$ for the usb setup (new) wouldnt get you 2 "good" Nic's & the
cable ..
It would come close if you made your own cable (with pre existing kit) but I
think the USB kit is probably a good idea for the guy posting

rstlne wrote in message
...
Rod Speed wrote
rstlne wrote
Laurence Payne wrote
(HiC) wrote

I'm using the 2nd drive on computer 1 to record some
vinyl and want to transfer the files to the larger 60 gig
2nd drive on computer 2 for later sound cleanup and
eventual transfer to CD. While in theory it would be simple
to record using comp 2, it's being used for other things.

I have a lot of albums to transfer, there's got to be a better way
to transfer the .wav files from one 'puter to the other than burning
the files to a rewritable disc in computer 1, then put the CD in
computer 2 and copy/paste the files. This is too cumbersome.

Is there some quick/cheap easy way to accomplish transfer
of the files directly between these 2 computers using the
USB ports other than outright networking them?

There are ways of making a network using USB. I think the
hardware required would cost rather more than a couple of pci
network cards and a crossover cable, which are now commodity items.
Either solution would, of course, be "networking" the two machines.

Is there a particular reason you don't want to put in network cards?

Take a look at the earlier post..
It seems like it can be done for about
65% of the cost of traditional ethernet

Really depends on the detail of where you get the traditional ethernet.

Hard to beat the price of very decent 10/100 PCI NICs on ebay.

And its a lot more standard than other approaches too.

Yea but Ethernet in itself is just a transport medium..
Installing TCP/IP over the USB transport would mean that
windows see's it just the same as a "standard" 10/100 network.

Irrelevant to that price question I commented on.

Ebay pricing probably isnt a good way to go cause we could say
that people dumping the usb kit would sell it for a cheaper price too..

In reality there are FAR more decent cheap 10/100 PCI NICs
on ebay than those USB things for connecting two PCs and
that produces very low prices for decent 10/100 PCI NICs.

And really 17$ for the usb setup (new)
wouldnt get you 2 "good" Nic's & the cable ..

Bull****.

It would come close if you made your own cable (with pre existing kit)

A CAT5 cable and a crossover adapter or a crossover cable costs peanuts.

but I think the USB kit is probably a good idea for the guy posting

You're wrong. Its a hopeless non standard approach that costs more.

The only time the USB route would be better is for a
technoklutz that cant manage PCI cards, or there are
no free PCI slots in the PCs and in that case you'd
still be better off with a pair of USB/ethernet adapters.

"Eric Gisin" wrote in message
...
Networking with NICs is cheaper and easier than USB.

If both PC's already have USB and neither have a NIC it's not. Also, if the
person if not comfortable installing or paying someone to install the NIC,
USB could be viable (assuming they both have USB and a cable/application to
handle the transfers). But speed (especially depending on what version the
USB ports are) and whether this is to be a permanent or often-occurring
thing is something to think about.

Ricky W. Hunt wrote in
message news:4cv0c.426257$I06.4793779@attbi_s01...
Eric Gisin wrote

Networking with NICs is cheaper and easier than USB.

If both PC's already have USB and neither have a NIC it's not.

It is actually, both on price and on ease. Essentially because the
NIC approach is completely standard and USB 'networking' aint.

Also, if the person if not comfortable installing
or paying someone to install the NIC, USB could
be viable (assuming they both have USB and a
cable/application to handle the transfers).

Sure, there are certainly some situations where no NIC
is possible that the USB route has some advantages.

But even then, a pair of USB/ethernet adapters makes rather
more sense than one of the USB 'networking' systems.

And isnt as bulletproof as the NIC approach.

But speed (especially depending on what version the
USB ports are) and whether this is to be a permanent
or often-occurring thing is something to think about.

As is the completely standard networking that comes with NICs.

Installing a PCI card is not difficult, any idiot can do it. Installing
drivers is more difficult, and NIC drivers are trivial compared to most USB
stuff. The guy is using Win98, which can really screw up.

Yes, you can get two NICs for the price of a USB2 link.

"Ricky W. Hunt" wrote in message
news:4cv0c.426257$I06.4793779@attbi_s01...
"Eric Gisin" wrote in message
...
Networking with NICs is cheaper and easier than USB.

If both PC's already have USB and neither have a NIC it's not. Also, if the
person if not comfortable installing or paying someone to install the NIC,
USB could be viable (assuming they both have USB and a cable/application to
handle the transfers). But speed (especially depending on what version the
USB ports are) and whether this is to be a permanent or often-occurring
thing is something to think about.

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:55:07 -0000, "rstlne"
wrote:

Is there a particular reason you don't want to put in network cards?

Take a look at the earlier post..
It seems like it can be done for about 65% of the cost of traditional
ethernet

What price are you paying for a pci net card? Easily available for a
few pounds here in the UK.

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
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"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:55:07 -0000, "rstlne"
wrote:

Is there a particular reason you don't want to put in network cards?

Take a look at the earlier post..
It seems like it can be done for about 65% of the cost of traditional
ethernet

What price are you paying for a pci net card? Easily available for a
few pounds here in the UK.



The usb kit quoted is about 8£
if you could get say 3.50£ for a nic (each) and 1£ for the cable and it
would be the same..
But You'll end up paying about what.. 6£ for a nic and 1.50£ for the cable..
That's of course assuming rock bottom prices, as a local computer shop will
charge 5-10£ for the cable..

Dont get me wrong on this.. I def aint knocking our standard IEEE 802.xx(x)
kits are really good and reliable..
I use 11g and rj45 all around the house and I know there is no way that USB
will be stable once I try to run it 20/30/100/+++ feet. But For that user
to simply move files for video encoding then I think this is a great idea..

IF both of his ports are USB2 Compliant, and the Kit works correctly then he
could be chuggin along at 480m..
That kinda dwarfs my 11g (standard? or not yet final?) kit that I am using.

If both of computers have the chips on the motherboard to allow it (and
know for a fact that they were added to some boards 3/ish years ago then he
might get out of this JUST by buying a cable..

Shrug ..

rstlne wrote in message
...
Laurence Payne wrote
rstlne wrote

Is there a particular reason you don't want to put in network cards?

Take a look at the earlier post..
It seems like it can be done for about
65% of the cost of traditional ethernet

What price are you paying for a pci net card?
Easily available for a few pounds here in the UK.

The usb kit quoted is about 8£

Thats at the very low end. You would normally pay a lot more
than that, so you arent comparing like with like prices wise.

if you could get say 3.50£ for a nic (each) and 1£ for the cable

Corse you can, and a lot less than that too.

and it would be the same..
But You'll end up paying about what..
6£ for a nic and 1.50£ for the cable..
That's of course assuming rock bottom prices, as a
local computer shop will charge 5-10£ for the cable..

There's plenty of sources of cables for a lot less than that.

Dont get me wrong on this.. I def aint knocking our
standard IEEE 802.xx(x) kits are really good and reliable..

I use 11g and rj45 all around the house and I know there is no way that USB
will be stable once I try to run it 20/30/100/+++ feet. But For that user
to simply move files for video encoding then I think this is a great idea..

Nope, too expensive and too non standard.

IF both of his ports are USB2 Compliant,

Bloody unlikely if it hasnt got NICs standard.

and the Kit works correctly then he could be chuggin along at 480m..

Big if with USB2

That kinda dwarfs my 11g (standard? or not yet final?) kit that I am using.

Irrelevant. The sensible thing to compare it with is wired CAT5

If both of computers have the chips on the motherboard to allow
it (and know for a fact that they were added to some boards 3/ish
years ago then he might get out of this JUST by buying a cable..

And thats almost certain if he has USB2 already.

"Ricky W. Hunt" wrote in news:4cv0c.426257
$I06.4793779@attbi_s01:

If both PC's already have USB and neither have a NIC it's not.

If the computers are further than a few feet apart, you'll be paying alot
for a short USB cable : )

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"Eric Gisin" wrote in
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Installing a PCI card is not difficult, any idiot can do it.

You've only met the smart idiots.

There are many more "grandmom" types who can barely turn on a PC.

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"Rod Speed" wrote in news:c1u5d7$1n340l$1@ID-
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and the Kit works correctly then he could be chuggin along at 480m..

Big if with USB2

Long USB runs need ot be converted to RJ-45 anyways. So unless the
computers are close together, USB network isn't viable.

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"J. Clarke" wrote in
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Anybody who can't figure out how to install a NIC is probably not
going to be up to the task of making USB networking run.

And it takes as much expertise to put those USB 2 adapters in the
machines as it does to install NICs.


Totally agree.

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Lucas Tam wrote:

"Eric Gisin" wrote in
:

Installing a PCI card is not difficult, any idiot can do it.

You've only met the smart idiots.

There are many more "grandmom" types who can barely turn on a PC.

And they're supposed to figure out that there is such a thing as USB
networking and then figure out how to set it up and get it working? ROF,L.

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"Lucas Tam" wrote in message
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"Ricky W. Hunt" wrote in news:4cv0c.426257
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If both PC's already have USB and neither have a NIC it's not.

If the computers are further than a few feet apart, you'll be paying alot
for a short USB cable : )

If they are 1M
or probably more along the lines of .8M.. Consdiering that you'll not want
the line to be tight.. It's not a long distance but as I said in other
post.. If he's not wanting to go a long distance then It's a good idea..

"Lucas Tam" wrote in message
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"Rod Speed" wrote in news:c1u5d7$1n340l$1@ID-
69072.news.uni-berlin.de:

and the Kit works correctly then he could be chuggin along at 480m..

Big if with USB2

Long USB runs need ot be converted to RJ-45 anyways. So unless the
computers are close together, USB network isn't viable.



You guys really Love your NIC's ..
Granted tho, Old dogs dont like new tricks ..

As I said.. If he's going a short path and has usb2 then it's a good thing..

As to computers not having nic's in them meaning they dont have usb2, that's
a silly statement as I do indeed have a motherboard with a usb2 port and no
onboard NIC..

I have made my own null modem cables in the past using wires (just because
it wasnt something I could actually purchase and get within 2 or 3 weeks)..
I have cut cat5 cable and rewired it when I had no crossover adapter (do it
correctly and you dont get signal loss nor a speed drop)
I know what Standard is..
and USB2 is also a standad (tho there are more official terms for it)..

The usb kit quoted is about 8£

Thats at the very low end. You would normally pay a lot more
than that, so you arent comparing like with like prices wise.

It might be low end but it's the NEW Selling price.. Yes you normally would
pay a lot more than that, and you would normally pay about 20£ for a nic
through the dealers that would sell that usb kit at a high price too.


if you could get say 3.50£ for a nic (each) and 1£ for the cable

Corse you can, and a lot less than that too.

and it would be the same..
But You'll end up paying about what..
6£ for a nic and 1.50£ for the cable..
That's of course assuming rock bottom prices, as a
local computer shop will charge 5-10£ for the cable..

There's plenty of sources of cables for a lot less than that.

Show me a source for cat5 (with ends and new) Cables for sell at less than
1£..
Show me these nic's (new) for less than 3.50£

I am VERRY interested to see it

rstlne wrote:


"Lucas Tam" wrote in message
.. .
"Rod Speed" wrote in news:c1u5d7$1n340l$1@ID-
69072.news.uni-berlin.de:

and the Kit works correctly then he could be chuggin along at 480m..

Big if with USB2

Long USB runs need ot be converted to RJ-45 anyways. So unless the
computers are close together, USB network isn't viable.



You guys really Love your NIC's ..
Granted tho, Old dogs dont like new tricks ..

As I said.. If he's going a short path and has usb2 then it's a good
thing..

As to computers not having nic's in them meaning they dont have usb2,
that's a silly statement as I do indeed have a motherboard with a usb2
port and no onboard NIC..

What board is that?

I have made my own null modem cables in the past using wires (just because
it wasnt something I could actually purchase and get within 2 or 3
weeks)..
I have cut cat5 cable and rewired it when I had no crossover adapter (do
it correctly and you dont get signal loss nor a speed drop)
I know what Standard is..
and USB2 is also a standad (tho there are more official terms for it)..

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"J. Clarke" wrote in message

Lucas Tam wrote:

"Eric Gisin" wrote in
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Installing a PCI card is not difficult, any idiot can do it.

You've only met the smart idiots.

There are many more "grandmom" types who can barely turn on a PC.

And they're supposed to figure out that there is such a thing as USB
networking and then figure out how to set it up and get it working?
ROF,L.

Agreed. I've done USB networking many times. No way would I suggest it as a
solution for your average PC user.

rstlne wrote:

The usb kit quoted is about 8£

Thats at the very low end. You would normally pay a lot more
than that, so you arent comparing like with like prices wise.

It might be low end but it's the NEW Selling price.. Yes you normally
would pay a lot more than that, and you would normally pay about 20£ for a
nic through the dealers that would sell that usb kit at a high price too.


if you could get say 3.50£ for a nic (each) and 1£ for the cable

Corse you can, and a lot less than that too.

and it would be the same..
But You'll end up paying about what..
6£ for a nic and 1.50£ for the cable..
That's of course assuming rock bottom prices, as a
local computer shop will charge 5-10£ for the cable..

There's plenty of sources of cables for a lot less than that.

Show me a source for cat5 (with ends and new) Cables for sell at less than
1£..
Show me these nic's (new) for less than 3.50£

I am VERRY interested to see it

Why would one buy new kit when used is so readily available and so cheap?
That's one of the problems with your USB solution--if you're going to use
it then you're pretty much forced to get everything new.

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Laurence Payne wrote in message . ..

Is there a particular reason you don't want to put in network cards?

Initially, I didn't have any previous experience with putting 2
computers together, and thought since I had the USB ports there might
a quick & easy way to use them. There's another issue that I don't
remember whether I have any free pci slots on the one, I'll have to
crack it open and look.

However, in the interim I've discovered that it's possible to transfer
files through the parallel ports. It's a bit pokey, but a $10 cable
and a bit of a wrestling match to get it working and it works like a
charm. Actually slower than burning to a rewriteable and tranferring
over, however it doesn't require me to watch over it once I hit the go
button.

What I'm wondering now is if there are any tweaks to speed up the
parallel port transfer.

"J. Clarke" wrote in
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Installing a PCI card is not difficult, any idiot can do it.

You've only met the smart idiots.

There are many more "grandmom" types who can barely turn on a PC.

And they're supposed to figure out that there is such a thing as USB
networking and then figure out how to set it up and get it working?
ROF,L.

Nope, I was just commenting on the installation of PCI cards.

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"rstlne" wrote in
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There's plenty of sources of cables for a lot less than that.

Show me a source for cat5 (with ends and new) Cables for sell at less
than 1£..
Show me these nic's (new) for less than 3.50£

I am VERRY interested to see it


Check out:

http://www.canadacomputers.com/networking2.html#net

There is an adapter for 8.50CDN or 3.40127 GBP.


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You guys really Love your NIC's ..
Granted tho, Old dogs dont like new tricks ..

As I said.. If he's going a short path and has usb2 then it's a good
thing..

As to computers not having nic's in them meaning they dont have usb2,
that's a silly statement as I do indeed have a motherboard with a usb2
port and no onboard NIC..

What board is that?


Cant seem to find my board # and rev (I gave it to inlaw)..
But it's 2.0 because I didnt put in the 2.0 usb card I have.. i did put in
the nic card however!.
Guess it's possible I made a mistake and it doesnt have usb..

Guess this board might not be quoted properly too
http://usa.asus.com/mb/socket478/p4b...cification.htm

Still I am sure of this in my own mind so it's good enough for me to say it
and know it's true!

"HiC" wrote in message
om...

However, in the interim I've discovered that it's possible to transfer
files through the parallel ports. It's a bit pokey, but a $10 cable
and a bit of a wrestling match to get it working and it works like a
charm. Actually slower than burning to a rewriteable and tranferring
over, however it doesn't require me to watch over it once I hit the go
button.

What I'm wondering now is if there are any tweaks to speed up the
parallel port transfer.

Not with a cheap cable, it is 4-bit programmed transfer. There are more
expensive cables that do 8-bit ECP with dma. There are some notes in one of
the Windows Resource Kit manuals.

rstlne wrote in message
...
Lucas Tam wrote
Rod Speed wrote

and the Kit works correctly then he could be chuggin along at 480m..

Big if with USB2

Long USB runs need ot be converted to RJ-45 anyways. So
unless the computers are close together, USB network isn't viable.

You guys really Love your NIC's ..
Granted tho, Old dogs dont like new tricks ..

Or we've noticed that relatively bulletproof technology like CAT5
now is is a better proposition than kludges like USB 'networking'

As I said.. If he's going a short path and has usb2 then it's a good thing..

Nope, lousy value, too much of a kludge.

As to computers not having nic's in them meaning they dont have usb2,

Never ever said it that absolutely.

that's a silly statement

Yours is a silly misreading of what was actually said.

as I do indeed have a motherboard with a usb2 port and no onboard NIC..

Thats uncommon. Never said it doesnt happen.

I have made my own null modem cables in the past
using wires (just because it wasnt something I could
actually purchase and get within 2 or 3 weeks)..

Irrelevant. They're widely available now and the other approach
too, a crossover adapter used with standard cat5 cables.

I have cut cat5 cable and rewired it when I had no crossover adapter
(do it correctly and you dont get signal loss nor a speed drop)

Irrelevant to what makes sense for him now.

I know what Standard is..
and USB2 is also a standad

Like hell that approach to USB2 networking is.

(tho there are more official terms for it)..

rstlne wrote in message
...

The usb kit quoted is about 8£

Thats at the very low end. You would normally pay a lot more
than that, so you arent comparing like with like prices wise.

It might be low end but it's the NEW Selling price..
Yes you normally would pay a lot more than that,

So you arent comparing like prices with like.

and you would normally pay about 20£ for a nic through
the dealers that would sell that usb kit at a high price too.

Bull****. There are plenty selling basic 10/100
NICs for a lot better than that stupid price.

if you could get say 3.50£ for a nic (each) and 1£ for the cable

Corse you can, and a lot less than that too.

and it would be the same..
But You'll end up paying about what..
6£ for a nic and 1.50£ for the cable..
That's of course assuming rock bottom prices, as a
local computer shop will charge 5-10£ for the cable..

There's plenty of sources of cables for a lot less than that.

Show me a source for cat5 (with ends
and new) Cables for sell at less than 1£..

I was commenting on your stupid 'a local
computer shop will charge 5-10£ for the cable..'

Show me these nic's (new) for less than 3.50£

I am VERRY interested to see it

You're using a bogus price for the USB2 networking.