Hello,

I think someone was asking about this recently but there was no clear
answer.I,d like to add a sub to extend the range of the A10's, so
something with a built in crossover would be good- I can spend up to
$400.Thanks for any ideas and thanks to Scott Dorsey for recomending
the A10's as they're a big improvement of the event 20/20's I used to
use.

Mike

b wrote:

I think someone was asking about this recently but there was no clear
answer.I,d like to add a sub to extend the range of the A10's, so
something with a built in crossover would be good- I can spend up to
$400.Thanks for any ideas and thanks to Scott Dorsey for recomending
the A10's as they're a big improvement of the event 20/20's I used to
use.

What is wrong with the NHT sub that they sell specifically for the A10s?
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Hi Scott,

Thanks for your reply.The B20's are out of my price range(they are
about $1700) and I would like more low end extension than offered by
the S00.If I went with the consumer line sw12 or sw10ii, what would be
the best way to crossover? Would it be good enough to set the low pass
on the sub to around 50hz(around where the A10 naturally rolls off)or
should I really get a sub that filters the signal before reaching the
A10's? I can spend about $500-perhaps you know agood place to look for
NHT stuff used. Thanks a lot for your insight and thanks again for the
original reccomendation to these-I'm really enjoying working with
them.

Mike









On 24 Nov 2003 11:28:34 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

b wrote:

I think someone was asking about this recently but there was no clear
answer.I,d like to add a sub to extend the range of the A10's, so
something with a built in crossover would be good- I can spend up to
$400.Thanks for any ideas and thanks to Scott Dorsey for recomending
the A10's as they're a big improvement of the event 20/20's I used to
use.

What is wrong with the NHT sub that they sell specifically for the A10s?
--scott

b wrote:

Thanks for your reply.The B20's are out of my price range(they are
about $1700) and I would like more low end extension than offered by
the S00.If I went with the consumer line sw12 or sw10ii, what would be
the best way to crossover? Would it be good enough to set the low pass
on the sub to around 50hz(around where the A10 naturally rolls off)or
should I really get a sub that filters the signal before reaching the
A10's?

You should never rely on the low-end corner of the driver itself; you
absolutely have to have a high-pass network that is predictable on the
mains.

Most of the external crossovers out there that are any good are going to
cost more than your whole budget.

I can spend about $500-perhaps you know agood place to look for
NHT stuff used. Thanks a lot for your insight and thanks again for the
original reccomendation to these-I'm really enjoying working with
them.

Check around.... and check on Ebay. Or consider buying a crossover now,
and then an amp later, and then a passive sub like the Hsu Research box
later on.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"b" wrote in message

Hello,

I think someone was asking about this recently but there was no clear
answer.I,d like to add a sub to extend the range of the A10's, so
something with a built in crossover would be good- I can spend up to
$400.Thanks for any ideas and thanks to Scott Dorsey for recommending
the A10's as they're a big improvement of the event 20/20's I used to
use.

I've been using a Rane MX-22 and or a DBX 223 24/dB crossover which allows
me to set crossover points to any frequency. The subwoofer addresses the
limitations of the A-10's at high listening levels and below 140 Hz.

I find that the A10's have a lot more dynamic range if crossed over from as
low a 80 Hz to as high as 130 Hz (24
dB/octave). A 130 Hz crossover means that the sub and the A10s have to be
pretty close together. I use the sub for a foot rest, if you catch my drift.
It also will literally flap the listener's pants legs on some recordings.

Hi again,


Thanks a lot to both of you for the advice. Arny,
do you have a preference between the Rane and the dbx?Scott,
I went to the HSU site and their stuff looks great!They have a new sub
that just came out, the STF-2 that may work for me now, or I might go
for the TN-1220HO in a few months.What's your take on the crossovers
Arny mentioned? Thanks,

Mike







On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:37:01 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"b" wrote in message

Hello,

I think someone was asking about this recently but there was no clear
answer.I,d like to add a sub to extend the range of the A10's, so
something with a built in crossover would be good- I can spend up to
$400.Thanks for any ideas and thanks to Scott Dorsey for recommending
the A10's as they're a big improvement of the event 20/20's I used to
use.

I've been using a Rane MX-22 and or a DBX 223 24/dB crossover which allows
me to set crossover points to any frequency. The subwoofer addresses the
limitations of the A-10's at high listening levels and below 140 Hz.

I find that the A10's have a lot more dynamic range if crossed over from as
low a 80 Hz to as high as 130 Hz (24
dB/octave). A 130 Hz crossover means that the sub and the A10s have to be
pretty close together. I use the sub for a foot rest, if you catch my drift.
It also will literally flap the listener's pants legs on some recordings.

"b" wrote in message
news
Thanks a lot to both of you for the advice. Arny,
do you have a preference between the Rane and the dbx?

Not really. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. If you want to
move down the price scale there are Behringer crossovers, and if you want to
move up there are Ashlys, etc.

Scott, I went to the HSU site and their stuff looks great!

Hsu has an excellent reputation. If you read the FAQs they mention that they
have problems with customers complaining about buzzing sounds that
invariably turn out to be due to stuff in the room vibrating. This is
actually a good sign.

They have a new sub
that just came out, the STF-2 that may work for me now, or I might go
for the TN-1220HO in a few months.

What's your take on the crossovers Arny mentioned? Thanks,

I believe the Hsu equipment includes amps and crossovers.

b wrote:

Thanks a lot to both of you for the advice. Arny,
do you have a preference between the Rane and the dbx?Scott,
I went to the HSU site and their stuff looks great!They have a new sub
that just came out, the STF-2 that may work for me now, or I might go
for the TN-1220HO in a few months.What's your take on the crossovers
Arny mentioned? Thanks,

The Rane AC-22 can be hacked up to be decent, but the filters on it are kind
of harsh-sounding stock. They also have a sub-bass filter in there that
I don't like. I sort of look at the Rane as a good project because it can
be turned into a good crossover and it shows up used for cheap. I don't know
the MX-22.

Never used the DBX.

One of the things about the A10s is that you can probably get by with a
very low filter slope and a wide crossover point. The Hsus go fairly
high up so you can get a lot of overlap. I tend to like wider crossovers
when I can get away with them.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Hello once again,


I decided to order a HSU STF-2 powered sub today-it looks like it
will fit my needs very well and cost only $400 delivered. Now I'd like
to search for a crossover used-I looked on ebay and found an Ashly
XR1001 that may go for reasonable dough in a few days(I'm hoping
around $150) Scott, do you have any recomendations for crossovers to
look for on ebay, especially ones with a wide crossover point? You've
pointed me in the right direction several times and led me to pick up
some of the best gear I own(beyer m160(ya!deutches ebay!)m69(auch!)
re18, the fet mod for the 2001,etc)and I really appreciate the
direction you take in terms of recording asthetics

Mike








On 25 Nov 2003 10:21:43 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

b wrote:

Thanks a lot to both of you for the advice. Arny,
do you have a preference between the Rane and the dbx?Scott,
I went to the HSU site and their stuff looks great!They have a new sub
that just came out, the STF-2 that may work for me now, or I might go
for the TN-1220HO in a few months.What's your take on the crossovers
Arny mentioned? Thanks,

The Rane AC-22 can be hacked up to be decent, but the filters on it are kind
of harsh-sounding stock. They also have a sub-bass filter in there that
I don't like. I sort of look at the Rane as a good project because it can
be turned into a good crossover and it shows up used for cheap. I don't know
the MX-22.

Never used the DBX.

One of the things about the A10s is that you can probably get by with a
very low filter slope and a wide crossover point. The Hsus go fairly
high up so you can get a lot of overlap. I tend to like wider crossovers
when I can get away with them.
--scott