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LA Phil at new Disney Theater - odd sound...
i watched the concert last night on PBS of the la phil in the new
disney theater in LA. there were schoeps mics everywhere, and you know they had top notch engineers doing the sound for both live reinforcement and recording for the tv feed, BUT even through my very nice surround system, the sound was pretty uninspiring - it was okay, but really had no life to it at all. i dont understand. could it be that the hall itself isnt what it is cracked up to be, or was the micing and mixing sub-par? the balance was pretty good in that i could discern the instrumentation well enough, but it was all quite dull... thoughts? |
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LA Phil at new Disney Theater - odd sound...
As an amateur recordist, I have long been dismayed at the distant, overly
reverberant sound you get from simple, purist miking -- regardless of the size of the room, or its basic acoustics. The WD hall was supposedly designed to deliver "intimate" sound regardless of where you sit. I love it, love it, love it. It doesn't sound as if everything is buried under lush reverberation. But neither is the sound cold or analytical. The WD hall heralds a new kind of concert hall, which "sounds good" both to the ear and the mic. Maybe it will encourage recording engineers to minimize multi-miking and overlaying synthetic reverb. jnorman wrote... i watched the concert last night on PBS of the la phil in the new disney theater in LA. there were schoeps mics everywhere, and you know they had top notch engineers doing the sound for both live reinforcement and recording for the tv feed, BUT even through my very nice surround system, the sound was pretty uninspiring - it was okay, but really had no life to it at all. i don't understand. could it be that the hall itself isn't what it is cracked up to be, or was the micing and mixing sub-par? the balance was pretty good in that i could discern the instrumentation well enough, but it was all quite dull... thoughts? |
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LA Phil at new Disney Theater - odd sound...
jnorman wrote:
i watched the concert last night on PBS of the la phil in the new disney theater in LA. there were schoeps mics everywhere, and you know they had top notch engineers doing the sound for both live reinforcement and recording for the tv feed, BUT even through my very nice surround system, the sound was pretty uninspiring - it was okay, but really had no life to it at all. i dont understand. could it be that the hall itself isnt what it is cracked up to be, or was the micing and mixing sub-par? the balance was pretty good in that i could discern the instrumentation well enough, but it was all quite dull... thoughts? I thought it was warm, up close and personal sounding. YMMV. -- Les Cargill |
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LA Phil at new Disney Theater - odd sound...
i watched the concert last night on PBS of the la phil in the new
disney theater in LA. there were schoeps mics everywhere, and you know they had top notch engineers doing the sound for both live reinforcement and recording for the tv feed, BUT even through my very nice surround system, the sound was pretty uninspiring - it was okay, but really had no life to it at all. Maybe it was the tv feed. I had just the opposite experience. I was driving out to dinner one night, turned on the radio and there was the most incredible performance of the Rite of Spring I had ever heard. Lively and enthusiastic playing and a deep, rich, engaging sound. Only later did I put it together that it was opening night at Disney Hall. Incredible. To my ears they've captured an ideal balance between clarity and transparency on the one hand, and warmth and euphonic richness on the other. The next night was also amazing, with Salonen's original composition, "L.A. Variations." I listened in my back yard, staring at Mars and smelling the jasmine and rosemary, and I knew that he knew. Later, my 7 year old and I were listening to the new John Adams piece and jamming along with our plastic toy saxophones. Wheee !!!! (and I'm not a guy who sits around and listens to classical music). -R |
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LA Phil at new Disney Theater - odd sound...
I thought the sound of the hall was good but I would have preferred to
judge it with more conventional music. The full chords in Beethoven's fifth or Brahms' first would have given a better sense of how the hall sounded. Also, I don't know if the organ is installed yet but if so, it would have been interesting to hear something like the Saint-Saens third. -MIKE |
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LA Phil at new Disney Theater - odd sound...
jnorman wrote:
i watched the concert last night on PBS of the la phil in the new disney theater in LA. there were schoeps mics everywhere, and you know they had top notch engineers doing the sound for both live reinforcement and recording for the tv feed, BUT even through my very nice surround system, the sound was pretty uninspiring - it was okay, but really had no life to it at all. Maybe the TV feed? Or what local affiliates did to it on it's way to the air? About halfway through I grabbed my Senn HD280 Pro's ... wish I'd grabbed the HD600's for the Rite of Spring. I noticed that the vocalists made some nice 'plosives into what looked like a (redundant? differential?) pair of Schoeps. |
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LA Phil at new Disney Theater - odd sound...
Baldwin3722 wrote:
snip Have you ever heard a TV broadcast in past years of a concert that struck you as displaying really great sound? I thought anything relayed by PBS or other TV stations would be automatically compromised in terms of aural quality. KERA in Dallas seems to to pretty good work, consistently. snip -- Les Cargill |
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