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It's the next decade here already. All the best for everybody everywhere
for 2020. cheers geoff |
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On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 01:36:01 +1300, geoff
wrote: It's the next decade here already. All the best for everybody everywhere for 2020. cheers geoff You're a year early. AD decades began with year 1. d |
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On 12/31/2019 8:57 AM, Don Pearce wrote:
You're a year early. AD decades began with year 1. "Scholars differ on this issue." And, besides, some of us can't wait for this decade to be over. ![]() -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 09:06:32 -0500, Mike Rivers
wrote: On 12/31/2019 8:57 AM, Don Pearce wrote: You're a year early. AD decades began with year 1. "Scholars differ on this issue." And, besides, some of us can't wait for this decade to be over. ![]() If any scholar can come up with a year zero I will change my mind. You're dead right about wanting this one to be over though. d |
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On 12/31/19 5:57 AM, Don Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 01:36:01 +1300, geoff wrote: It's the next decade here already. All the best for everybody everywhere for 2020. cheers geoff You're a year early. AD decades began with year 1. d We had the same problem at the turn of the century. After all was said and done, we (as a people) just decided that the real excitement was in seeing three zeros in the year number. Nothing else mattered. |
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On 12/31/2019 8:57 AM, Don Pearce wrote:
You're a year early. AD decades began with year 1. I'm afraid you're just going to have to accept mass media's version of this, right or wrong. The Washington Post says this is the start of a new decade, as does National Public Radio, and even the MIDI Manufacturer's Association. You just can't fight social hall, but start campaigning early for the next decade beginning in 2031. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 21:19:04 -0500, Mike Rivers
wrote: On 12/31/2019 8:57 AM, Don Pearce wrote: You're a year early. AD decades began with year 1. I'm afraid you're just going to have to accept mass media's version of this, right or wrong. The Washington Post says this is the start of a new decade, as does National Public Radio, and even the MIDI Manufacturer's Association. You just can't fight social hall, but start campaigning early for the next decade beginning in 2031. I fear the 2031 event will be someone else's problem. ![]() d |
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On 12/31/19 6:19 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 12/31/2019 8:57 AM, Don Pearce wrote: You're a year early. AD decades began with year 1. I'm afraid you're just going to have to accept mass media's version of this, right or wrong. The Washington Post says this is the start of a new decade, as does National Public Radio, and even the MIDI Manufacturer's Association. You just can't fight social hall, but start campaigning early for the next decade beginning in 2031. We also group decades by saying the 20's, 30's.. I'd hate to have to remember that a song written in 1960 was really part of the 50's. |
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Tobiah wrote:
We also group decades by saying the 20's, 30's.. I'd hate to have to remember that a song written in 1960 was really part of the 50's. That's alright. There's always what I term 'decade lag' - the tendency for cultural styles(in attire, music, industrial design - automotive, etc.). IE: a lot of popular songs as late as 1962 still had a late-fifties style/tone to it. Bell bottoms did not completely depart along with the Hostage Crisis of 1980. |
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 09:41:33 -0800, Tobiah wrote:
On 12/31/19 6:19 PM, Mike Rivers wrote: On 12/31/2019 8:57 AM, Don Pearce wrote: You're a year early. AD decades began with year 1. I'm afraid you're just going to have to accept mass media's version of this, right or wrong. The Washington Post says this is the start of a new decade, as does National Public Radio, and even the MIDI Manufacturer's Association. You just can't fight social hall, but start campaigning early for the next decade beginning in 2031. We also group decades by saying the 20's, 30's.. I'd hate to have to remember that a song written in 1960 was really part of the 50's. Well, the sixties didn't begin until 1963. Before that it was definitely still the fifties. Culture is not beholden to numbers. d |
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On 3/01/2020 4:41 am, Tobiah wrote:
On 12/31/19 6:19 PM, Mike Rivers wrote: On 12/31/2019 8:57 AM, Don Pearce wrote: You're a year early. AD decades began with year 1. Each decade (or any time period) begins any time you choose it to! You do realise the calendar has changed more than once since then? I'm afraid you're just going to have to accept mass media's version of this, right or wrong. The Washington Post says this is the start of a new decade, as does National Public Radio, and even the MIDI Manufacturer's Association. You just can't fight social hall, but start campaigning early for the next decade beginning in 2031. We also group decades by saying the 20's, 30's..Â* I'd hate to have to remember that a song written in 1960 was really part of the 50's. Any mathematician will tell you numbers begin at zero, NOT end at zero. |
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![]() We also group decades by saying the 20's, 30's.. I'd hate to have to remember that a song written in 1960 was really part of the 50's. Any mathematician will tell you numbers begin at zero, NOT end at zero. As a programmer, I'm a subscriber to that view. So 1960 was the zeroth year of the 60's ![]() ended just before Jan 1st 1970. The birth of Jesus has nothing to do with it. No one said that we are starting the 202nd decade since then. It's that we are starting a new decade that if of note to many people. |
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On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 08:55:04 -0800, Tobiah wrote:
We also group decades by saying the 20's, 30's.. I'd hate to have to remember that a song written in 1960 was really part of the 50's. Any mathematician will tell you numbers begin at zero, NOT end at zero. As a programmer, I'm a subscriber to that view. So 1960 was the zeroth year of the 60's ![]() ended just before Jan 1st 1970. The birth of Jesus has nothing to do with it. No one said that we are starting the 202nd decade since then. It's that we are starting a new decade that if of note to many people. So what was the first year of the first decade in our current CE reckoning? No need to bring mythical figures into it - straight question. d |
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![]() So what was the first year of the first decade in our current CE reckoning? No need to bring mythical figures into it - straight question. The first year was year 1, making the first decade span the years 1 through 10, the second decade starting at year 11. Or is there a trick to your question? |
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On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 08:46:26 -0800, Tobiah wrote:
So what was the first year of the first decade in our current CE reckoning? No need to bring mythical figures into it - straight question. The first year was year 1, making the first decade span the years 1 through 10, the second decade starting at year 11. Or is there a trick to your question? No trick. You make my point perfectly. Decades start on the year that ends in a 1, not a 0. d |
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
... The first year was year 1, making the first decade span the years 1 through 10, the second decade starting at year 11. Or is there a trick to your question? No trick. You make my point perfectly. Decades start on the year that ends in a 1, not a 0. The decade of the 2020's began in January, 2020. The 2020's are a decade. That's the decade people mean when they refer to the decade that began recently. There is also some ordinally-numbered decade that begins in 2021. Nobody really cares about ordinally-numbered decades of the modern era. The modern (aka Christian) era has a number line of years that is full of anomalies and inconsistencies. It began in the years numbered in the several hundreds, based on back-calculating from an origin that was arbitrary and miscalculated. The rules regarding leap years have changed multiple times. The timeline has been spliced and hacked multiple to accommodate errors and anomalies. The date of the year's beginning has shifted. And in most usage, it has no "year zero" (although many astronomers do use a year zero). For these and other reasons, the reckoning of ordinally-numbered decades (or centuries) seems to be of use only for pedantic posturing. These pedant's decades have little use in the real world, where decades are much more likely to be reckoned as beginning from years with numbers ending in zero. The 2020's just began earlier this month. That's a decade. The "203rd decade of the modern era" is a decade that nobody cares about. |
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On 9/01/2020 6:11 am, Don Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 08:55:04 -0800, Tobiah wrote: We also group decades by saying the 20's, 30's.. I'd hate to have to remember that a song written in 1960 was really part of the 50's. Any mathematician will tell you numbers begin at zero, NOT end at zero. As a programmer, I'm a subscriber to that view. So 1960 was the zeroth year of the 60's ![]() ended just before Jan 1st 1970. The birth of Jesus has nothing to do with it. No one said that we are starting the 202nd decade since then. It's that we are starting a new decade that if of note to many people. So what was the first year of the first decade in our current CE reckoning? No need to bring mythical figures into it - straight question. Friday, 15 October 1582 for the Gregorian Calendar! |
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In article , says...
Friday, 15 October 1582 for the Gregorian Calendar! Speaking of which... Years ago, at IBM, I saw a presentation by a programmer there, Bruce Ohms, who devised a system for computing the number of days between dates. From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilian_date "Lilian dates can be used to calculate the number of days between any two dates occurring since the beginning of the Gregorian calendar. It is currently used by date conversion routines that are part of IBM Language Environment (LE) software." This is a pretty big deal for some computations involving financial instruments that date back hundreds of years. |
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On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 14:27:11 -0500, "None" wrote:
"Don Pearce" wrote in message ... The first year was year 1, making the first decade span the years 1 through 10, the second decade starting at year 11. Or is there a trick to your question? No trick. You make my point perfectly. Decades start on the year that ends in a 1, not a 0. The decade of the 2020's began in January, 2020. The 2020's are a decade. That's the decade people mean when they refer to the decade that began recently. There is also some ordinally-numbered decade that begins in 2021. Nobody really cares about ordinally-numbered decades of the modern era. The modern (aka Christian) era has a number line of years that is full of anomalies and inconsistencies. It began in the years numbered in the several hundreds, based on back-calculating from an origin that was arbitrary and miscalculated. The rules regarding leap years have changed multiple times. The timeline has been spliced and hacked multiple to accommodate errors and anomalies. The date of the year's beginning has shifted. And in most usage, it has no "year zero" (although many astronomers do use a year zero). For these and other reasons, the reckoning of ordinally-numbered decades (or centuries) seems to be of use only for pedantic posturing. These pedant's decades have little use in the real world, where decades are much more likely to be reckoned as beginning from years with numbers ending in zero. The 2020's just began earlier this month. That's a decade. The "203rd decade of the modern era" is a decade that nobody cares about. I've just been listening to More or Less, a BBC programme about numbers, statistics and general misconception. They had an article about exactly this question. They had a statement from The Royal Observatory in Greenwich, the official home of time on Earth. The message stated unequivocally that millennia, centuries and decades start on the year ending in a one. End of discussion. d |
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On 1/10/2020 12:00 PM, Don Pearce wrote:
End of discussion. For you, maybe. Others will be discussing this for the next 50 years. |
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On 10/01/2020 17:00, Don Pearce wrote:
I've just been listening to More or Less, a BBC programme about numbers, statistics and general misconception. They had an article about exactly this question. They had a statement from The Royal Observatory in Greenwich, the official home of time on Earth. The message stated unequivocally that millennia, centuries and decades start on the year ending in a one. End of discussion. If you listen to the excerpt that is on line from the ten year old programme they mentioned in this show, they admit there are two sides to the story, and either is acceptable. Imagine that 1940 was in the 1930s, for instance.... -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
... They had a statement from The Royal Observatory in Greenwich, the official home of time on Earth. The message stated unequivocally that millennia, centuries and decades start on the year ending in a one. End of ... There are decades beginning all the time. The decade of the 2020's is indeed a decade, and it's a decade that is widely recognized, worldwide. The Royal Observatory's sweeping claim can only apply to millennia, centuries, and decades that start on the year ending in one. There are many other kinds of millennia, centuries, and decades in use, which are relevant and useful in various reckonings. If the Royal Observatory supposes that the decade of the 2020's is not a decade, the Royal Observatory is a ass -- a idiot. The official keeper of time on earth, International Atomic Time, is the International Bureau of Weights and Measures in France. The Royal Observatory in Greenwich is one of many important participants in that effort. |
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Trevor wrote:
On 3/01/2020 4:41 am, Tobiah wrote: On 12/31/19 6:19 PM, Mike Rivers wrote: On 12/31/2019 8:57 AM, Don Pearce wrote: You're a year early. AD decades began with year 1. Each decade (or any time period) begins any time you choose it to! You do realise the calendar has changed more than once since then? I'm afraid you're just going to have to accept mass media's version of this, right or wrong. The Washington Post says this is the start of a new decade, as does National Public Radio, and even the MIDI Manufacturer's Association. You just can't fight social hall, but start campaigning early for the next decade beginning in 2031. We also group decades by saying the 20's, 30's..Â* I'd hate to have to remember that a song written in 1960 was really part of the 50's. Any mathematician will tell you numbers begin at zero, NOT end at zero. The mathematicians had a nasty habit of numbering inductive sets ending in ALEPH_0 starting with 1. There's a chronic fear of zero in the world. -- Les Cargill |
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Don Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 08:55:04 -0800, Tobiah wrote: We also group decades by saying the 20's, 30's.. I'd hate to have to remember that a song written in 1960 was really part of the 50's. Any mathematician will tell you numbers begin at zero, NOT end at zero. As a programmer, I'm a subscriber to that view. So 1960 was the zeroth year of the 60's ![]() ended just before Jan 1st 1970. The birth of Jesus has nothing to do with it. No one said that we are starting the 202nd decade since then. It's that we are starting a new decade that if of note to many people. So what was the first year of the first decade in our current CE reckoning? No need to bring mythical figures into it - straight question. d It was Roman, so no zero. One. -- Les Cargill |
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On 1/10/2020 12:00 PM, Don Pearce wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 14:27:11 -0500, "None" wrote: "Don Pearce" wrote in message ... The first year was year 1, making the first decade span the years 1 through 10, the second decade starting at year 11. Or is there a trick to your question? No trick. You make my point perfectly. Decades start on the year that ends in a 1, not a 0. The decade of the 2020's began in January, 2020. The 2020's are a decade. That's the decade people mean when they refer to the decade that began recently. There is also some ordinally-numbered decade that begins in 2021. Nobody really cares about ordinally-numbered decades of the modern era. The modern (aka Christian) era has a number line of years that is full of anomalies and inconsistencies. It began in the years numbered in the several hundreds, based on back-calculating from an origin that was arbitrary and miscalculated. The rules regarding leap years have changed multiple times. The timeline has been spliced and hacked multiple to accommodate errors and anomalies. The date of the year's beginning has shifted. And in most usage, it has no "year zero" (although many astronomers do use a year zero). For these and other reasons, the reckoning of ordinally-numbered decades (or centuries) seems to be of use only for pedantic posturing. These pedant's decades have little use in the real world, where decades are much more likely to be reckoned as beginning from years with numbers ending in zero. The 2020's just began earlier this month. That's a decade. The "203rd decade of the modern era" is a decade that nobody cares about. I've just been listening to More or Less, a BBC programme about numbers, statistics and general misconception. They had an article about exactly this question. They had a statement from The Royal Observatory in Greenwich, the official home of time on Earth. The message stated unequivocally that millennia, centuries and decades start on the year ending in a one. End of discussion. d From Wikipedia: A decade is a period of 10 years. The word is derived (via French and Latin) from the Ancient Greek: δεκάς, romanized: dekas, which means a group of ten. Decades may describe any ten year period, such as those of a person's life, or refer to specific groupings of calendar years. And: The 0s cover the first nine years of the Anno Domini era, which began on January 1st, 1 AD and ended on December 31st, 9 AD. It is one of the two cardinal timespans that contain 9 years, but is not considered a decade [Y0, 1 AD). |
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Trevor wrote:
On 9/01/2020 6:11 am, Don Pearce wrote: On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 08:55:04 -0800, Tobiah wrote: We also group decades by saying the 20's, 30's..Â* I'd hate to have to remember that a song written in 1960 was really part of the 50's. Any mathematician will tell you numbers begin at zero, NOT end at zero. As a programmer, I'm a subscriber to that view.Â* So 1960 was the zeroth year of the 60's ![]() ended just before Jan 1st 1970.Â* The birth of Jesus has nothing to do with it.Â* No one said that we are starting the 202nd decade since then. It's that we are starting a new decade that if of note to many people. So what was the first year of the first decade in our current CE reckoning? No need to bring mythical figures into it - straight question. Friday, 15 October 1582 for the Gregorian Calendar! Meh. They went broke. https://kfor.com/2018/12/05/8-millio...bby-finalized/ -- Les Cargill |
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Jason wrote:
In article , says... Friday, 15 October 1582 for the Gregorian Calendar! Speaking of which... Years ago, at IBM, I saw a presentation by a programmer there, Bruce Ohms, who devised a system for computing the number of days between dates. From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilian_date "Lilian dates can be used to calculate the number of days between any two dates occurring since the beginning of the Gregorian calendar. It is currently used by date conversion routines that are part of IBM Language Environment (LE) software." This is a pretty big deal for some computations involving financial instruments that date back hundreds of years. It is; one of the things I did in my first job was wrestle with this. It's a big job, but it's eminently doable. I had fun with it. -- Les Cargill |
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On 11/01/2020 6:00 am, Don Pearce wrote:
On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 14:27:11 -0500, "None" wrote: "Don Pearce" wrote in message ... The first year was year 1, making the first decade span the years 1 through 10, the second decade starting at year 11. Or is there a trick to your question? No trick. You make my point perfectly. Decades start on the year that ends in a 1, not a 0. The decade of the 2020's began in January, 2020. The 2020's are a decade. That's the decade people mean when they refer to the decade that began recently. There is also some ordinally-numbered decade that begins in 2021. Nobody really cares about ordinally-numbered decades of the modern era. The modern (aka Christian) era has a number line of years that is full of anomalies and inconsistencies. It began in the years numbered in the several hundreds, based on back-calculating from an origin that was arbitrary and miscalculated. The rules regarding leap years have changed multiple times. The timeline has been spliced and hacked multiple to accommodate errors and anomalies. The date of the year's beginning has shifted. And in most usage, it has no "year zero" (although many astronomers do use a year zero). For these and other reasons, the reckoning of ordinally-numbered decades (or centuries) seems to be of use only for pedantic posturing. These pedant's decades have little use in the real world, where decades are much more likely to be reckoned as beginning from years with numbers ending in zero. The 2020's just began earlier this month. That's a decade. The "203rd decade of the modern era" is a decade that nobody cares about. I've just been listening to More or Less, a BBC programme about numbers, statistics and general misconception. They had an article about exactly this question. They had a statement from The Royal Observatory in Greenwich, the official home of time on Earth. The message stated unequivocally that millennia, centuries and decades start on the year ending in a one. End of discussion. d Statistical conciseness aside surely only the most pedantic would argue that the year 2020 was not part of the decade known as the (20)20s ? geoff |
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On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 21:16:45 +0000, John Williamson
wrote: On 10/01/2020 17:00, Don Pearce wrote: I've just been listening to More or Less, a BBC programme about numbers, statistics and general misconception. They had an article about exactly this question. They had a statement from The Royal Observatory in Greenwich, the official home of time on Earth. The message stated unequivocally that millennia, centuries and decades start on the year ending in a one. End of discussion. If you listen to the excerpt that is on line from the ten year old programme they mentioned in this show, they admit there are two sides to the story, and either is acceptable. Imagine that 1940 was in the 1930s, for instance.... He didn't really. He just acknowledged that the other side existed. d |
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John Williamson wrote:
On 10/01/2020 17:00, Don Pearce wrote: I've just been listening to More or Less, a BBC programme about numbers, statistics and general misconception. They had an article about exactly this question. They had a statement from The Royal Observatory in Greenwich, the official home of time on Earth. The message stated unequivocally that millennia, centuries and decades start on the year ending in a one. End of discussion. If you listen to the excerpt that is on line from the ten year old programme they mentioned in this show, they admit there are two sides to the story, and either is acceptable. Imagine that 1940 was in the 1930s, for instance.... What do they know at Greenwich? The official prime meridian for time reference should be Paris, and it's only the fault of that damned Wellington that anyone has accepted the Greenwich reference. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 22:47:23 -0600, Les Cargill
wrote: Trevor wrote: On 9/01/2020 6:11 am, Don Pearce wrote: On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 08:55:04 -0800, Tobiah wrote: We also group decades by saying the 20's, 30's..* I'd hate to have to remember that a song written in 1960 was really part of the 50's. Any mathematician will tell you numbers begin at zero, NOT end at zero. As a programmer, I'm a subscriber to that view.* So 1960 was the zeroth year of the 60's ![]() ended just before Jan 1st 1970.* The birth of Jesus has nothing to do with it.* No one said that we are starting the 202nd decade since then. It's that we are starting a new decade that if of note to many people. So what was the first year of the first decade in our current CE reckoning? No need to bring mythical figures into it - straight question. Friday, 15 October 1582 for the Gregorian Calendar! Meh. They went broke. https://kfor.com/2018/12/05/8-millio...bby-finalized/ That's too bad. I saw the most amazing collection of gold jewelry owned by the Catholic Church there about 20 years ago. |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
What do they know at Greenwich? The official prime meridian for time reference should be Paris, and it's only the fault of that damned Wellington that anyone has accepted the Greenwich reference. --scott I think it had a lot more to do with the extreme usefulness of The Nautical Almanac. Peter. |
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On 11/01/2020 4:00 am, Don Pearce wrote:
I've just been listening to More or Less, a BBC programme about numbers, statistics and general misconception. They had an article about exactly this question. They had a statement from The Royal Observatory in Greenwich, the official home of time on Earth. The message stated unequivocally that millennia, centuries and decades start on the year ending in a one. End of discussion. There is no such thing as end of discussion when people are all talking about different concepts, and that's before you even start arguing linguistic definitions which is the cause of more internet arguments that anything as far as I have seen. |
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So what was the first year of the first decade in our current CE
reckoning? No need to bring mythical figures into it - straight question. The first year was year 1, making the first decade span the years 1 through 10, the second decade starting at year 11. Or is there a trick to your question? No trick. You make my point perfectly. Decades start on the year that ends in a 1, not a 0. So when I was 10 years old, I had not lived a decade, because "Decades start on the year that ends in a 1" whereas my first decade started with a year that ended in 6. I'm just saying that when someone refers to the 50's say, it's as arbitrary as saying "the evens". It's a description that we can use to group some of the past years together so we can easily agree on which ones we're talking about. |
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 13:28:05 -0800, Tobiah wrote:
So what was the first year of the first decade in our current CE reckoning? No need to bring mythical figures into it - straight question. The first year was year 1, making the first decade span the years 1 through 10, the second decade starting at year 11. Or is there a trick to your question? No trick. You make my point perfectly. Decades start on the year that ends in a 1, not a 0. So when I was 10 years old, I had not lived a decade, because "Decades start on the year that ends in a 1" whereas my first decade started with a year that ended in 6. I'm just saying that when someone refers to the 50's say, it's as arbitrary as saying "the evens". It's a description that we can use to group some of the past years together so we can easily agree on which ones we're talking about. I blame the schools lousy maths skills. When you were ten years old you had lived a decade. Just you were one year old you had lived a year. d |
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On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 12:36:09 PM UTC, geoff wrote:
It's the next decade here already. All the best for everybody everywhere for 2020. cheers geoff Back in the day this was a pro audio newsgroup ![]() |
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 05:49:21 -0800 (PST), Gregory Allen
wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 12:36:09 PM UTC, geoff wrote: It's the next decade here already. All the best for everybody everywhere for 2020. cheers geoff Back in the day this was a pro audio newsgroup ![]() Were it not for off-topic, this group would have closed. Don't knock it. d |
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On Friday, January 17, 2020 at 2:18:48 PM UTC, Don Pearce wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 05:49:21 -0800 (PST), Gregory Allen wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 12:36:09 PM UTC, geoff wrote: It's the next decade here already. All the best for everybody everywhere for 2020. cheers geoff Back in the day this was a pro audio newsgroup ![]() Were it not for off-topic, this group would have closed. Don't knock it. d I'm just poking his badger ![]() |