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question about using Tango24 with ADAT-XT
Hi. My bassplayer owns a Tango24 (24-bit 8-channel A/D/A box from Frontier
Design Group) and an ADAT-XT. We are interested in using the ADAT for some location recording. I have a couple questions for anybody who knows of these things: 1. I assume the Tango24 A/D/A converters are better than the stock ADAT-XT converters, yes? 2. Is there a way (without additional equipment) to make the Tango24's ADAT outs dither down to 16-bit to record to the ADAT-XT? 3. Assuming the answer to question 2 is no, will truncating from 24-bit to 16-bit without dither negate the advantages of using the Tango24? Thanks. -Shawn |
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question about using Tango24 with ADAT-XT
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shawn wrote: Hi. My bassplayer owns a Tango24 (24-bit 8-channel A/D/A box from Frontier Design Group) and an ADAT-XT. We are interested in using the ADAT for some location recording. I have a couple questions for anybody who knows of these things: 1. I assume the Tango24 A/D/A converters are better than the stock ADAT-XT converters, yes? 2. Is there a way (without additional equipment) to make the Tango24's ADAT outs dither down to 16-bit to record to the ADAT-XT? 3. Assuming the answer to question 2 is no, will truncating from 24-bit to 16-bit without dither negate the advantages of using the Tango24? Thanks. -Shawn |
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question about using Tango24 with ADAT-XT
Anyone?
shawn wrote: Hi. My bassplayer owns a Tango24 (24-bit 8-channel A/D/A box from Frontier Design Group) and an ADAT-XT. We are interested in using the ADAT for some location recording. I have a couple questions for anybody who knows of these things: 1. I assume the Tango24 A/D/A converters are better than the stock ADAT-XT converters, yes? 2. Is there a way (without additional equipment) to make the Tango24's ADAT outs dither down to 16-bit to record to the ADAT-XT? 3. Assuming the answer to question 2 is no, will truncating from 24-bit to 16-bit without dither negate the advantages of using the Tango24? Thanks. -Shawn |
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question about using Tango24 with ADAT-XT
Bueller?
shawn wrote: Hi. My bassplayer owns a Tango24 (24-bit 8-channel A/D/A box from Frontier Design Group) and an ADAT-XT. We are interested in using the ADAT for some location recording. I have a couple questions for anybody who knows of these things: 1. I assume the Tango24 A/D/A converters are better than the stock ADAT-XT converters, yes? 2. Is there a way (without additional equipment) to make the Tango24's ADAT outs dither down to 16-bit to record to the ADAT-XT? 3. Assuming the answer to question 2 is no, will truncating from 24-bit to 16-bit without dither negate the advantages of using the Tango24? Thanks. -Shawn |
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question about using Tango24 with ADAT-XT
Bueller?
shawn wrote: Hi. My bassplayer owns a Tango24 (24-bit 8-channel A/D/A box from Frontier Design Group) and an ADAT-XT. We are interested in using the ADAT for some location recording. I have a couple questions for anybody who knows of these things: 1. I assume the Tango24 A/D/A converters are better than the stock ADAT-XT converters, yes? 2. Is there a way (without additional equipment) to make the Tango24's ADAT outs dither down to 16-bit to record to the ADAT-XT? 3. Assuming the answer to question 2 is no, will truncating from 24-bit to 16-bit without dither negate the advantages of using the Tango24? Thanks. -Shawn |
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question about using Tango24 with ADAT-XT
"shawn" wrote in message ...
Anyone? I'm no expert, but I'll give you my opinions. shawn wrote: Hi. My bassplayer owns a Tango24 (24-bit 8-channel A/D/A box from Frontier Design Group) and an ADAT-XT. We are interested in using the ADAT for some location recording. I have a couple questions for anybody who knows of these things: 1. I assume the Tango24 A/D/A converters are better than the stock ADAT-XT converters, yes? Probably. But not definitely. In general, new budget converters are significantly better than old budget converters. 2. Is there a way (without additional equipment) to make the Tango24's ADAT outs dither down to 16-bit to record to the ADAT-XT? If the Tango doesn't support 16-bit output then the answer is almost certainly no. 3. Assuming the answer to question 2 is no, will truncating from 24-bit to 16-bit without dither negate the advantages of using the Tango24? You normally only want to dither as the last stage in the process. Unless you are releasing the recordings as an exact digital copy of whatever you record, you don't want to dither when you are recording. You are likely to want to do some normalization etc, so don't worry about dithering. Thanks. -Shawn I would try it and see. Try the external converters, and the internal converters, and send them the same signal. Make it a very low level signal, as low as you can, so as to magnify the differences. Then play it back with a lot of gain and see if you can tell the difference. |
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question about using Tango24 with ADAT-XT
"shawn" wrote in message ...
Anyone? I'm no expert, but I'll give you my opinions. shawn wrote: Hi. My bassplayer owns a Tango24 (24-bit 8-channel A/D/A box from Frontier Design Group) and an ADAT-XT. We are interested in using the ADAT for some location recording. I have a couple questions for anybody who knows of these things: 1. I assume the Tango24 A/D/A converters are better than the stock ADAT-XT converters, yes? Probably. But not definitely. In general, new budget converters are significantly better than old budget converters. 2. Is there a way (without additional equipment) to make the Tango24's ADAT outs dither down to 16-bit to record to the ADAT-XT? If the Tango doesn't support 16-bit output then the answer is almost certainly no. 3. Assuming the answer to question 2 is no, will truncating from 24-bit to 16-bit without dither negate the advantages of using the Tango24? You normally only want to dither as the last stage in the process. Unless you are releasing the recordings as an exact digital copy of whatever you record, you don't want to dither when you are recording. You are likely to want to do some normalization etc, so don't worry about dithering. Thanks. -Shawn I would try it and see. Try the external converters, and the internal converters, and send them the same signal. Make it a very low level signal, as low as you can, so as to magnify the differences. Then play it back with a lot of gain and see if you can tell the difference. |
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question about using Tango24 with ADAT-XT
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:48:35 -0400, "shawn"
wrote: Hi. My bassplayer owns a Tango24 (24-bit 8-channel A/D/A box from Frontier Design Group) and an ADAT-XT. We are interested in using the ADAT for some location recording. I have a couple questions for anybody who knows of these things: 1. I assume the Tango24 A/D/A converters are better than the stock ADAT-XT converters, yes? Actually, Alesis ADAT AD converters varied quite a lot from one unit to the next. Let's just say that the spec was not very tight. The Tango may be no better than a good (lucky) ADAT AD, but they will most likely be a lot better than a bad ADAT AD. You will have to listen carefully and form your own opinion about your particular Tango24 and ADAT XT. I like MY Tango24 much metter than MY ADAT. 2. Is there a way (without additional equipment) to make the Tango24's ADAT outs dither down to 16-bit to record to the ADAT-XT? Just truncate. Dither after mixdown. Mike T. |
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question about using Tango24 with ADAT-XT
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:48:35 -0400, "shawn"
wrote: Hi. My bassplayer owns a Tango24 (24-bit 8-channel A/D/A box from Frontier Design Group) and an ADAT-XT. We are interested in using the ADAT for some location recording. I have a couple questions for anybody who knows of these things: 1. I assume the Tango24 A/D/A converters are better than the stock ADAT-XT converters, yes? Actually, Alesis ADAT AD converters varied quite a lot from one unit to the next. Let's just say that the spec was not very tight. The Tango may be no better than a good (lucky) ADAT AD, but they will most likely be a lot better than a bad ADAT AD. You will have to listen carefully and form your own opinion about your particular Tango24 and ADAT XT. I like MY Tango24 much metter than MY ADAT. 2. Is there a way (without additional equipment) to make the Tango24's ADAT outs dither down to 16-bit to record to the ADAT-XT? Just truncate. Dither after mixdown. Mike T. |
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question about using Tango24 with ADAT-XT
Don't worry about it. First, truncation isn't the most pleasant of digital
artifacts, but you're going to do a live show and the room noise of AC and crown, popcorn popper, whatever, will be loud enough that you'll never hear the truncation. But to my way of thinking, and my personal experience using a Tascam DA38 on about 200 live recordings, it's not worth the extra hassle, and I do live jazz recordings, so there's typically a lot larger dynamic range than one would find on a normal live rock recording. Just don't try to cram all the signal you can into the recorder and you should be fine when you bring it back to mix. -18 dBFS is fine regardless that it's 3 bits down in resolution. Of course, it's not all that hard to try it out before you go out. Knowing what you should expect makes it a little easier to be able to achieve. You wouldn't walk into a gig with a new amp or gizmo box you've never used before, right? I also have a Tango24 and I've not found one good reason to unhook it from the studio/computer setup and use it with the Tascam. YMMV. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net. See how far $20 really goes. "shawn" wrote in message ... Anyone? shawn wrote: Hi. My bassplayer owns a Tango24 (24-bit 8-channel A/D/A box from Frontier Design Group) and an ADAT-XT. We are interested in using the ADAT for some location recording. I have a couple questions for anybody who knows of these things: 1. I assume the Tango24 A/D/A converters are better than the stock ADAT-XT converters, yes? 2. Is there a way (without additional equipment) to make the Tango24's ADAT outs dither down to 16-bit to record to the ADAT-XT? 3. Assuming the answer to question 2 is no, will truncating from 24-bit to 16-bit without dither negate the advantages of using the Tango24? Thanks. -Shawn |
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question about using Tango24 with ADAT-XT
Thanks, Roger.
Roger W. Norman wrote: Don't worry about it. First, truncation isn't the most pleasant of digital artifacts, but you're going to do a live show and the room noise of AC and crown, popcorn popper, whatever, will be loud enough that you'll never hear the truncation. But to my way of thinking, and my personal experience using a Tascam DA38 on about 200 live recordings, it's not worth the extra hassle, and I do live jazz recordings, so there's typically a lot larger dynamic range than one would find on a normal live rock recording. Just don't try to cram all the signal you can into the recorder and you should be fine when you bring it back to mix. -18 dBFS is fine regardless that it's 3 bits down in resolution. Of course, it's not all that hard to try it out before you go out. Knowing what you should expect makes it a little easier to be able to achieve. You wouldn't walk into a gig with a new amp or gizmo box you've never used before, right? I also have a Tango24 and I've not found one good reason to unhook it from the studio/computer setup and use it with the Tascam. YMMV. "shawn" wrote in message ... Anyone? shawn wrote: Hi. My bassplayer owns a Tango24 (24-bit 8-channel A/D/A box from Frontier Design Group) and an ADAT-XT. We are interested in using the ADAT for some location recording. I have a couple questions for anybody who knows of these things: 1. I assume the Tango24 A/D/A converters are better than the stock ADAT-XT converters, yes? 2. Is there a way (without additional equipment) to make the Tango24's ADAT outs dither down to 16-bit to record to the ADAT-XT? 3. Assuming the answer to question 2 is no, will truncating from 24-bit to 16-bit without dither negate the advantages of using the Tango24? Thanks. -Shawn |
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