[Danny T]

for an acoustic guitar that won't break the bank?

[Arny Krueger]

"Danny T" wrote in message


for an acoustic guitar that won't break the bank?

Shure SLX, Audio Technica 3000 series both work for me!

Place to buy on the web is Northern Sound and Lighting.

[Scott Dorsey]

In article ,
Danny T wrote:
for an acoustic guitar that won't break the bank?

Not really.

You have two problems: first of all you now either need to use a pickup or
stick a mike on the body of the instrument, and secondly you now have the
wireless link.

I mean, you can do it... and the cheap Sennheiser and Shure stuff is not
as bad as it used to be... but you're making an awful lot of sacrifices
for it.

If I were looking to get into wireless right now, I would look for extremely
high end but obsolete VHF systems.... older Lectrosonics VHF stuff is not
all that expensive, and the frequency coordination issues with VHF will be
less touchy in the coming decade.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[M0she_]

On 3 Mar 2010 18:27:11 -0500, Scott Dorsey wrote:

In article ,
Danny T wrote:
for an acoustic guitar that won't break the bank?

Not really.

You have two problems: first of all you now either need to use a pickup or
stick a mike on the body of the instrument, and secondly you now have the
wireless link.

I mean, you can do it... and the cheap Sennheiser and Shure stuff is not
as bad as it used to be... but you're making an awful lot of sacrifices
for it.

If I were looking to get into wireless right now, I would look for extremely
high end but obsolete VHF systems.... older Lectrosonics VHF stuff is not
all that expensive, and the frequency coordination issues with VHF will be
less touchy in the coming decade.
--scott

I did a "SlumTime Screamer Gig" a couple of days ago where they
used the Shure SLX system and it worked rather well from what I
could tell.

I was concerned because they had a car service in the building
next door and I believe they were using 2 way radios circa 1980s


The club owner made a point of bands complaining of the
interference.

I didn't hear anything odd and nobody complained.


My keyboards were wired through DI boxes and I wasn't using the
laptop for samples so I wasn't really concerned.

The club owner really needs to fix the power though because it was
dirty as hell.

I suspect an ice machine on the circuit but don't know for sure.
All I know is the Furman in my SKB rack was going nuts....

P.S "SlumTime Screamer Gig" = a dive club working as a last minute
hired gun. Could also be a wedding gig etc. My own term and SSG
for short.

[Danny T]

On Mar 3, 5:48*pm, M0she_ wrote:
On 3 Mar 2010 18:27:11 -0500, Scott Dorsey wrote:





In article ,
Danny T wrote:
for an acoustic guitar that won't break the bank?

Not really.

You have two problems: first of all you now either need to use a pickup or
stick a mike on the body of the instrument, and secondly you now have the
wireless link.

I mean, you can do it... and the cheap Sennheiser and Shure stuff is not
as bad as it used to be... but you're making an awful lot of sacrifices
for it.

If I were looking to get into wireless right now, I would look for extremely
high end but obsolete VHF systems.... older Lectrosonics VHF stuff is not
all that expensive, and the frequency coordination issues with VHF will be
less touchy in the coming decade.
--scott

I did a "SlumTime Screamer Gig" a couple of days ago where they
used the Shure SLX system and it worked rather well from what I
could tell.

I was concerned because they had a car service in the building
next door and I believe they were using 2 way radios circa 1980s


The club owner made a point of bands complaining of the
interference.

I didn't hear anything odd and nobody complained.

My keyboards were wired through DI boxes and I wasn't using the
laptop for samples so I wasn't really concerned.

The club owner really needs to fix the power though because it was
dirty as hell.

I suspect an ice machine on the circuit but don't know for sure.
All I know is the Furman in my SKB rack was going nuts....

P.S "SlumTime Screamer Gig" = a dive club working as a last minute
hired gun. Could also be a wedding gig etc. My own term and SSG
for short.

Were you using it on an acoustic? My concern is that while an electric
may sound fine, there is so much more detail to lose on an acoustic
that it might be something not worth while to try.

[M0she_]

On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 17:41:21 -0800 (PST), Danny T wrote:

On Mar 3, 5:48*pm, M0she_ wrote:
On 3 Mar 2010 18:27:11 -0500, Scott Dorsey wrote:





In article ,
Danny T wrote:
for an acoustic guitar that won't break the bank?

Not really.

You have two problems: first of all you now either need to use a pickup or
stick a mike on the body of the instrument, and secondly you now have the
wireless link.

I mean, you can do it... and the cheap Sennheiser and Shure stuff is not
as bad as it used to be... but you're making an awful lot of sacrifices
for it.

If I were looking to get into wireless right now, I would look for extremely
high end but obsolete VHF systems.... older Lectrosonics VHF stuff is not
all that expensive, and the frequency coordination issues with VHF will be
less touchy in the coming decade.
--scott

I did a "SlumTime Screamer Gig" a couple of days ago where they
used the Shure SLX system and it worked rather well from what I
could tell.

I was concerned because they had a car service in the building
next door and I believe they were using 2 way radios circa 1980s


The club owner made a point of bands complaining of the
interference.

I didn't hear anything odd and nobody complained.

My keyboards were wired through DI boxes and I wasn't using the
laptop for samples so I wasn't really concerned.

The club owner really needs to fix the power though because it was
dirty as hell.

I suspect an ice machine on the circuit but don't know for sure.
All I know is the Furman in my SKB rack was going nuts....

P.S "SlumTime Screamer Gig" = a dive club working as a last minute
hired gun. Could also be a wedding gig etc. My own term and SSG
for short.

Were you using it on an acoustic? My concern is that while an electric
may sound fine, there is so much more detail to lose on an acoustic
that it might be something not worth while to try.

It was for acoustic...
The PA was EAW with Crown amps and from what I could hear it
sounded really nice.

[Danny T]

On Mar 3, 7:51*pm, M0she_ wrote:
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 17:41:21 -0800 (PST), Danny T wrote:
On Mar 3, 5:48*pm, M0she_ wrote:
On 3 Mar 2010 18:27:11 -0500, Scott Dorsey wrote:

In article ,
Danny T wrote:
for an acoustic guitar that won't break the bank?

Not really.

You have two problems: first of all you now either need to use a pickup or
stick a mike on the body of the instrument, and secondly you now have the
wireless link.

I mean, you can do it... and the cheap Sennheiser and Shure stuff is not
as bad as it used to be... but you're making an awful lot of sacrifices
for it.

If I were looking to get into wireless right now, I would look for extremely
high end but obsolete VHF systems.... older Lectrosonics VHF stuff is not
all that expensive, and the frequency coordination issues with VHF will be
less touchy in the coming decade.
--scott

I did a "SlumTime Screamer Gig" a couple of days ago where they
used the Shure SLX system and it worked rather well from what I
could tell.

I was concerned because they had a car service in the building
next door and I believe they were using 2 way radios circa 1980s


The club owner made a point of bands complaining of the
interference.

I didn't hear anything odd and nobody complained.

My keyboards were wired through DI boxes and I wasn't using the
laptop for samples so I wasn't really concerned.

The club owner really needs to fix the power though because it was
dirty as hell.

I suspect an ice machine on the circuit but don't know for sure.
All I know is the Furman in my SKB rack was going nuts....

P.S "SlumTime Screamer Gig" = a dive club working as a last minute
hired gun. Could also be a wedding gig etc. My own term and SSG
for short.

Were you using it on an acoustic? My concern is that while an electric
may sound fine, there is so much more detail to lose on an acoustic
that it might be something not worth while to try.

It was for acoustic...
The PA was EAW with Crown amps and from what I could hear it
sounded really nice.

thats great to hear. I guess I will give one a try. I was hoping for a
smaller dollar sign but not really expecting it/

[Arny Krueger]

"Danny T" wrote in message


Were you using it on an acoustic? My concern is that
while an electric
may sound fine, there is so much more detail to lose on
an acoustic
that it might be something not worth while to try.

I did some technical tests on a SLX system before installing it. They are
quite flat 100-15 KHz with less than 0.1 % THD at just below clipping and
decreasing below that. No problems with excess IM. Frequency response - 3
dB at 80 Hz with a gentle roll off to about -6 dB at 40 Hz. There is a
brick wall filter above about 15 KHz. They have about 100 dB dynamic range
which is achieved by means of companding. The companding matching is fair,
with the received signal being expanded by about 1 dB per 10 dB. IOW if the
input signal drops by 10 dB at the transmitter, it drops by 11 dB or a
little more at the receiver. The companding has some effect on the transient
response, but is pretty well settled out after about 5 cycles in tone burst
tests at 100 Hz, 1 KHz, and 10 KHz.

My only concern would relate to using a SLX system with a electric bass.
Some compensation at the board would be a good idea.

My bigger concern would be how to effectively mic an acoustic guitar and
retain your ability to move around freely. Not mission impossible, but
worth considering. The usual means for micing a vocalist with an acoustic
guitar involves 2 mics... That means either mix at the source or have 2
independent wireless system$$$$.

[George's Pro Sound Co.]

My bigger concern would be how to effectively mic an acoustic guitar and
retain your ability to move around freely. Not mission impossible, but
worth considering. The usual means for micing a vocalist with an acoustic
guitar involves 2 mics... That means either mix at the source or have 2
independent wireless system$$$$.

I tape a omni lav just forward of the soundhole, transmitter attached to the
strap, a stand mounted vocal mic(at 2020) is fine for the guy I do this for
the system is a sennheiser g 100 series
I tried two systems with him on a headset but he just could not get a handle
on singing into a mic that was ALWAYS at the same distance from his mouth

[Danny T]

On Mar 4, 7:13*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Danny T" wrote in message



Were you using it on an acoustic? My concern is that
while an electric
may sound fine, there is so much more detail to lose on
an acoustic
that it might be something not worth while to try.

I did some technical tests on a SLX system before installing it. *They are
quite flat 100-15 KHz with less than 0.1 % THD at just below clipping and
decreasing below that. No problems with excess IM. *Frequency response *- 3
dB at 80 Hz with a gentle roll off to about -6 dB at 40 Hz. *There is a
brick wall filter above about 15 KHz. They have about 100 dB dynamic range
which is achieved by means of companding. *The companding matching is fair,
with the received signal being expanded by about 1 dB per 10 dB. IOW if the
input signal drops by 10 dB at the transmitter, it drops by 11 dB or a
little more at the receiver. The companding has some effect on the transient
response, but is pretty well settled out after about 5 cycles in tone burst
tests at 100 Hz, 1 KHz, and 10 KHz.

My only concern would relate to using a SLX system with a electric bass.
Some compensation at the board would be a good idea.

My bigger concern would be how to effectively mic an acoustic guitar and
retain your ability to move around freely. *Not mission impossible, but
worth considering. The usual means for micing a vocalist with an acoustic
guitar involves 2 mics... *That means either mix at the source or have 2
independent wireless system$$$$.

I play Alvarez Yairi, and or the Alvarez masterworks guitars. I have a
system that sounds really nice plugged to my MD350C and MD90C that
sound awesome but they feed back like crazy. I've used solid rubber
plugs in the whole but they still rumble at low volume. Its the
condenser mic inside that is the culprit of course but without it you
have yet another boring pickup. Its so bad that I end up playing my
other guitars that I put western mini's in. Those pickups don't sound
near as true but they can be played at least twice as hot without
worries.

I'm thinking of going wireless with the western mini pickups I won't
be using any mic at all other then vocals. I'm not dancing around but
I would like to be able to move about easier. I do solo shows and
rarely if ever have anyone trustworthy, doing my sound. I play to
small theaters with anything from about 50 to 500 people. Its a sit
down show and a listening audience, not a bar with dancing or club
with people talking over me. I'm trying to weigh my options for sound
verses ease and all. The thing is I am sure that I will be cutting
tone yet again.

In a perfect world I would use a few room mics and have someone doing
my sound. Until then, I'm stuck on the budget tour -

[Scott Dorsey]

M0she_ wrote:

I did a "SlumTime Screamer Gig" a couple of days ago where they
used the Shure SLX system and it worked rather well from what I
could tell.

I was concerned because they had a car service in the building
next door and I believe they were using 2 way radios circa 1980s


The club owner made a point of bands complaining of the
interference.

I didn't hear anything odd and nobody complained.

The good news about that is that most of those guys are using low-band VHF
in the 30-50 Mhz range, which is far enough away that modern wireless systems
don't have even mild overload problems.

The bands with problems were almost certainly using high-Z unbalanced lines
with guitar amps and were getting rectification in the amp detecting the
signal. This is very common with instruments and there isn't all that much
to be done about it without affecting the tone.

My keyboards were wired through DI boxes and I wasn't using the
laptop for samples so I wasn't really concerned.

The club owner really needs to fix the power though because it was
dirty as hell.

I suspect an ice machine on the circuit but don't know for sure.
All I know is the Furman in my SKB rack was going nuts....

Oh, don't worry about voltage shifts; most modern gear other than amps is
all regulated internally anyway. Worry about imposed noise on the power
line from stuff like lighting dimmers and neon signs. Those are where the
real nightmares in club gigs come from.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Ty Ford]

On Wed, 3 Mar 2010 17:22:30 -0500, Danny T wrote
(in article
):

for an acoustic guitar that won't break the bank?

I use a Sennheiser G3 with K&K pickups on the guitars. Works nicely.

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA

[hank alrich]

Danny T wrote:

for an acoustic guitar that won't break the bank?

Paraphrasing George Gleason, "A $10K wireless rig is almost as good as a
twenty dollar cable"

--
ha
shut up and play your guitar
http://hankalrich.com/
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/hsadharma

[Danny T]

On Mar 5, 6:11*pm, (hank alrich) wrote:
Danny T wrote:
for an acoustic guitar that won't break the bank?

Paraphrasing George Gleason, "A $10K wireless rig is almost as good as a
twenty dollar cable"

--
ha
shut up and play your guitarhttp://hankalrich.com/http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/hsadharma

That's been my hold up!

[hank alrich]

Danny T wrote:

On Mar 5, 6:11 pm, (hank alrich) wrote:
Danny T wrote:
for an acoustic guitar that won't break the bank?

Paraphrasing George Gleason, "A $10K wireless rig is almost as good as a
twenty dollar cable"


That's been my hold up!

At least it wasn't Jesse James!

--
ha
shut up and play your guitar
http://hankalrich.com/
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/hsadharma

[Arny Krueger]

"hank alrich" wrote in message
...
Danny T wrote:

for an acoustic guitar that won't break the bank?

Paraphrasing George Gleason, "A $10K wireless rig is almost as good as a
twenty dollar cable"

Very, very true. I suspect that true digital wireless systems for popular
prices are just around the corner. But they will still technically suck eggs
compared to a common mic cable. That all said, you get some pretty good
sound out of the better mid-priced current systems if you use them right.

[Scott Dorsey]

Arny Krueger wrote:

"hank alrich" wrote in message
...
Danny T wrote:

for an acoustic guitar that won't break the bank?

Paraphrasing George Gleason, "A $10K wireless rig is almost as good as a
twenty dollar cable"

Very, very true. I suspect that true digital wireless systems for popular
prices are just around the corner. But they will still technically suck eggs
compared to a common mic cable. That all said, you get some pretty good
sound out of the better mid-priced current systems if you use them right.

Actually, true digital systems for popular prices are here, with stuff like
the MiPro wireless.

The only problems are they aren't very reliable and they don't sound very
good. Oh yes, and there are latency issues.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Ty Ford]

On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 11:26:23 -0500, Scott Dorsey wrote
(in article ):

Arny Krueger wrote:

"hank alrich" wrote in message
...
Danny T wrote:

for an acoustic guitar that won't break the bank?

Paraphrasing George Gleason, "A $10K wireless rig is almost as good as a
twenty dollar cable"

Very, very true. I suspect that true digital wireless systems for popular
prices are just around the corner. But they will still technically suck
eggs
compared to a common mic cable. That all said, you get some pretty good
sound out of the better mid-priced current systems if you use them right.

Actually, true digital systems for popular prices are here, with stuff like
the MiPro wireless.

The only problems are they aren't very reliable and they don't sound very
good. Oh yes, and there are latency issues.
--scott


RIght. There is still life left in analog. I made a recording of an Audio
Ltd. 2040 wireless system with a COS-11 lav of my Martin here in the studio
and was VERY pleased by the result.

To hear it go here http://public.me.com/tyreeford

and look in the Audio Folder for the AudioLtd2040 files.

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA