[ScottW]

"But the simple fact remains: any $500 turntable sounds better than
any $1000 CD player, any $2000 turntable sounds better than any $4000
CD transport/DAC combo and on and on and on."

http://www.furious.com/perfect/vinyl.html

Simple facts for simple minds.
Who could write such shallow ignorant garbage? This thread could run
for months.

ScottW

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

RAO's leading exponent of Stupidism yaps loudly in outrage.

"But the simple fact remains: any $500 turntable sounds better than
any $1000 CD player, any $2000 turntable sounds better than any $4000
CD transport/DAC combo and on and on and on."

http://www.furious.com/perfect/vinyl.html

Simple facts for simple minds.

Do you want to rephrase that yap, Witless? I'm quite sure you didn't mean
what you said.

[hoser1605]

On Dec 1, 3:28*pm, George M. Middius wrote:
RAO's leading exponent of Stupidism yaps loudly in outrage.

"But the simple fact remains: any $500 turntable sounds better than
any $1000 CD player, any $2000 turntable sounds better than any $4000
CD transport/DAC combo and on and on and on."

http://www.furious.com/perfect/vinyl.html

*Simple facts for simple minds.

Do you want to rephrase that yap, Witless? I'm quite sure you didn't mean
what you said.

Given that the article is over 10 years old, It was probably correct
for the time.

[Boon[_2_]]

On Dec 1, 2:37*pm, hoser1605 wrote:
On Dec 1, 3:28*pm, George M. Middius wrote:

RAO's leading exponent of Stupidism yaps loudly in outrage.

"But the simple fact remains: any $500 turntable sounds better than
any $1000 CD player, any $2000 turntable sounds better than any $4000
CD transport/DAC combo and on and on and on."

http://www.furious.com/perfect/vinyl.html

*Simple facts for simple minds.

Do you want to rephrase that yap, Witless? I'm quite sure you didn't mean
what you said.

Given that the article is over 10 years old, It was probably correct
for the time.

You're right. I've heard plenty of digital front ends in the last 5
years or so that sound about as good as the best analog.

Hey Scott...looks like you ****ed up again.

[Boon[_2_]]

On Dec 1, 2:24*pm, ScottW wrote:
"But the simple fact remains: any $500 turntable sounds better than
any $1000 CD player, any $2000 turntable sounds better than any $4000
CD transport/DAC combo and on and on and on."

http://www.furious.com/perfect/vinyl.html

*Simple facts for simple minds.
Who could write such shallow ignorant garbage? *This thread could run
for months.

You have a piece of **** turntable. What the hell do you know?

[ScottW]

On Dec 1, 1:21*pm, Boon wrote:
On Dec 1, 2:24*pm, ScottW wrote:

"But the simple fact remains: any $500 turntable sounds better than
any $1000 CD player, any $2000 turntable sounds better than any $4000
CD transport/DAC combo and on and on and on."

http://www.furious.com/perfect/vinyl.html

*Simple facts for simple minds.
Who could write such shallow ignorant garbage? *This thread could run
for months.

You have a piece of **** turntable. What the hell do you know?

I know your hearing is suspect as is the bass response of every
system I ever heard in your place.
I guess that's how you managed to get away with the gross mismatch of
cart/arm
which honked like a tugboat at 30 hz in the presence of speakers with
a real woofer.

Still it was funny when I asked what CD player you had your first
words were, "It's a $5000 dollar player and they make a $20,000
player, imagine how good it must sound!." Price tag junkies make me
hurl. BTW, your CD player HF response is almost as truncated as your
Koetsu cart. Not attributes I want in a front end but your so deaf
you probably didn't notice.

ScottW

[Boon[_2_]]

On Dec 1, 7:24*pm, ScottW wrote:
On Dec 1, 1:21*pm, Boon wrote:

On Dec 1, 2:24*pm, ScottW wrote:

"But the simple fact remains: any $500 turntable sounds better than
any $1000 CD player, any $2000 turntable sounds better than any $4000
CD transport/DAC combo and on and on and on."

http://www.furious.com/perfect/vinyl.html

*Simple facts for simple minds.
Who could write such shallow ignorant garbage? *This thread could run
for months.

You have a piece of **** turntable. What the hell do you know?

*I know your hearing is suspect as is the bass response of every
system I ever heard in your place.
I guess that's how you managed to get away with the gross mismatch of
cart/arm
which honked like a tugboat at 30 hz in the presence of speakers with
a real woofer.

Still it was funny when I asked what CD player you had your first
words were, "It's a $5000 dollar player and they make a $20,000
player, imagine how good it must sound!." * Price tag junkies make me
hurl. *BTW, your CD player HF response is almost as truncated as your
Koetsu cart. *Not attributes I want in a front end but your so deaf
you probably didn't notice.

I heard the $20,000 player, and it's the best sounding digital I've
heard. So I was right.

I'm sorry, but your entire system sounds like ****. You have a Krell
amp, a Yamaha preamp, a Mitsubishi turntable and an old pair of Quad
ESLs. I've told people in the industry about your system and they
usually say, "What an idiot! How bad does it sound?" I tell them it
sounds dead and lifeless and utterly uninvolving. I still remember
when I brought my Rega p25 and Koetsu Black over. When you played your
Mitsubishi, everyone was talking over the music. When we switched to
mine, everyone shut up and listened.

I can't believe you're dumb enough to bring this up. Your system is
****. Your taste in gear is ****.

[Cy Suckerton II]

I'm sorry, but your entire system sounds like ****. You have a Krell
amp, a Yamaha preamp, a Mitsubishi turntable and an old pair of Quad
ESLs. I've told people in the industry about your system and they
usually say, "What an idiot! How bad does it sound?" I tell them it
sounds dead and lifeless and utterly uninvolving. I still remember
when I brought my Rega p25 and Koetsu Black over. When you played your
Mitsubishi, everyone was talking over the music. When we switched to
mine, everyone shut up and listened.

I can't believe you're dumb enough to bring this up. Your system is
****. Your taste in gear is ****.

The Koetsu cartridge is very colored, but in such a way that to all
but really experienced listeners it sounds natural. in that sense it
is a masterpiece of design. But it is not true high fidelity as the
term is correctly used. It's a phono cartridge with a secret FX unit
installed in effect.

I suspect OM Koetsu (or whatever the old guy's name was who designed
it) figured out how to use the natural resonances of the arms on which
likely it was mounted and other inertial constants to do this in the
mechanical domain.

The combination of higher mass arms and lower compliance cartridges
is generally the simplest and most straightforward combination: the
other way works but offers a lot more variables. Koetsu did it the
hard way, with very low compliance, which also leads us to question
some of the tonearm choices made with these carts. Art is one thing
but fidelity quite another.

There is no question that properly applied the Koetsu can play some
records back in a very pleasing manner. What the true seeker of sound
wants is accuracy: crappy records are supposed to sound crappy.

[Boon[_2_]]

On Dec 2, 1:32*am, Cy Suckerton II wrote:
I'm sorry, but your entire system sounds like ****. You have a Krell
amp, a Yamaha preamp, a Mitsubishi turntable and an old pair of Quad
ESLs. I've told people in the industry about your system and they
usually say, "What an idiot! How bad does it sound?" I tell them it
sounds dead and lifeless and utterly uninvolving. I still remember
when I brought my Rega p25 and Koetsu Black over. When you played your
Mitsubishi, everyone was talking over the music. When we switched to
mine, everyone shut up and listened.

I can't believe you're dumb enough to bring this up. Your system is
****. Your taste in gear is ****.

*The Koetsu cartridge is very colored, but in such a way that to all
but really experienced listeners it sounds natural. in that sense it
is a masterpiece of design. But it is not true high fidelity as the
term is correctly used. It's *a phono cartridge with a secret FX unit
installed in effect.

*I suspect OM Koetsu (or whatever the old guy's name was who designed
it) figured out how to use the natural resonances of the arms on which
likely it was mounted and other inertial constants to do this in the
mechanical domain.

*The combination of higher mass arms and lower compliance cartridges
is generally the simplest and most straightforward combination: the
other way works but offers a lot more variables. Koetsu did it the
hard way, with very low compliance, which also leads us to question
some of the tonearm choices made with these carts. Art is one thing
but fidelity quite another.

*There is no question that properly applied the Koetsu can play some
records back in a very pleasing manner. What the true seeker of sound
wants is accuracy: crappy records are supposed to sound crappy.

I also like the Dynavector 17D3, which is one of the most neutral
cartridges ever made. They're also a better fit for Rega arms than
Koetsus. (For the record, my Koetsus were mated to an SME V, an
excellent match.) But the Koetsus are downright hypnotic. I don't buy
the idea that a true seeker of sound (aka audiophile) needs accuracy.
I've always considered myself a music lover more than an audiophile,
and I want the music to transport me. I don't want to listen to crappy
records, in other words.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 1, 7:24*pm, ScottW wrote:

but your so deaf

LoL. Your such a imbecile.

[Cy Suckerton II]

From Mr. Phillips' web site;

"Perfect Sound Forever. The CDs may last forever, and that is a
definite advantage over analog LPs but the players certainly don't
last forever. Every new CD player I've purchased was to replace a
fallen comrade. When CD players break, it's usually the entire laser
mechanism that dies, which is most of the cost of the player. These
machines, in other words, are disposable. Every turntable I've ever
replaced was a simple upgrade and I usually received a decent trade-in
allowance. So don't even talk to me about the cost of replacing LP's."


In 1998, to use a random example, McIntosh sold the following:

MCD 7009

"ELECTRICAL: Response 4-20kHz (+0.3 -0.3dB). Dynamic range 99dB. S/N
110dBA. Separation 110dB. Distortion 0.0013%. Sampling rate 352.8kHz.
D/A conversion Bitstream. Digital filter (eight times oversampling
with 20 bit digital filter). Error correction cross interleaved Reed
Solomon code (CIRC). Readout 3 beam AlGaAs laser 780nm. Analog output
2.2V. Digital output: 0.5V p-p/75 ohm (coaxial), -15dBm--21dBm
(optical).

FRONT PANEL: Glass panel. Illuminated display panel. Touch buttons:
open/close, repeat, stop, pause, play, rev, ff, back, next, power,
Disc drawer. Remote sensor.

BACK PANEL: Analog output. Remote control connector. Data in. Digital
output: on or off, coaxial and optical output.

Has HR7009 hand remote. Size 5-3/8"H, 17-1/2"W and 15"D behind panel.
Weight 22 lb. Sold from 1995-. Last retail price $2750.00 "

(Fair Use from http://www.roger-russell.com/elect.htm#CDPlayers )

OEM cost on the CD mechanism in that player was on the order of
$100.

During that time I was working as a contract station engineer for a
four-station group in the Southwest. Our facility had several consumer
CD players which we would summarily replace once a year and a couple
of broadcast grade Harris and Denon units in high cycle positions. The
replacement drive assembly for the Harris was in the $200 range and
would last about two years of heavy use. i was amused then and more so
now at the people who bought the attractive but ridiculously expensive
mc player as I knew the mechanism would EOL a couple of years before
most of the fleet started losing drives.

[Boon[_2_]]

On Dec 2, 1:45*am, Cy Suckerton II wrote:
*From Mr. Phillips' web site;

"Perfect Sound Forever. The CDs may last forever, and that is a
definite advantage over analog LPs but the players certainly don't
last forever. Every new CD player I've purchased was to replace a
fallen comrade. When CD players break, it's usually the entire laser
mechanism that dies, which is most of the cost of the player. These
machines, in other words, are disposable. Every turntable I've ever
replaced was a simple upgrade and I usually received a decent trade-in
allowance. So don't even talk to me about the cost of replacing LP's."

*In 1998, to use a random example, McIntosh sold the following:

MCD 7009

"ELECTRICAL: Response 4-20kHz (+0.3 -0.3dB). Dynamic range 99dB. S/N
110dBA. Separation 110dB. Distortion 0.0013%. Sampling rate 352.8kHz.
D/A conversion Bitstream. Digital filter (eight times oversampling
with 20 bit digital filter). Error correction cross interleaved Reed
Solomon code (CIRC). Readout 3 beam AlGaAs laser 780nm. Analog output
2.2V. Digital output: 0.5V p-p/75 ohm (coaxial), -15dBm--21dBm
(optical).

FRONT PANEL: Glass panel. Illuminated display panel. Touch buttons:
open/close, repeat, stop, pause, play, rev, ff, back, next, power,
Disc drawer. Remote sensor.

BACK PANEL: Analog output. Remote control connector. Data in. Digital
output: on or off, coaxial and optical output.

Has HR7009 hand remote. Size 5-3/8"H, 17-1/2"W and 15"D behind panel.
Weight 22 lb. Sold from 1995-. Last retail price $2750.00 "

*(Fair Use fromhttp://www.roger-russell.com/elect.htm#CDPlayers* )

*OEM cost on the CD mechanism in that player was on the order of
$100.

*During that time I was working as a contract station engineer for a
four-station group in the Southwest. Our facility had several consumer
CD players which we would summarily replace once a year *and a couple
of broadcast grade Harris and Denon units in high cycle positions. The
replacement drive assembly for the Harris was in the $200 range and
would last about two years of heavy use. i was amused then and more so
now at the people who bought the attractive but ridiculously expensive
mc player as I knew the mechanism would EOL a couple of years before
most of the fleet started losing drives.

The brand of CD players Scott is referring to is Naim. I owned my
first player, the CD3, for well over a decade. I traded it in on a CDX
2. The CD3 is probably still working in someone's home.

I'm using a cheap Denon right now because I ripped most of my CD
collection to a music server. The only time I listen to a CD is in my
car, and those are usually CD-Rs.

[Arny Krueger]

"ScottW" wrote in message

"But the simple fact remains: any $500 turntable sounds
better than any $1000 CD player, any $2000 turntable
sounds better than any $4000 CD transport/DAC combo and
on and on and on."

http://www.furious.com/perfect/vinyl.html

Simple facts for simple minds.
Who could write such shallow ignorant garbage? This
thread could run for months.

Shallow is as shallow does.

The other day I was wondering whether Boon has run that rag he was editing
out of business yet.

[GeoSynch]

Arny Krueger wrote:

The other day I was wondering whether Boon has run that rag he was editing out
of business yet.

They came to their senses and ran him out of town before that could happen.

They booted the BaBoon clear out of the northwest down into Kyle, Texas.

[Boon[_2_]]

On Dec 23, 7:53*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"ScottW" wrote in message



"But the simple fact remains: any $500 turntable sounds
better than any $1000 CD player, any $2000 turntable
sounds better than any $4000 CD transport/DAC combo and
on and on and on."

http://www.furious.com/perfect/vinyl.html

Simple facts for simple minds.
Who could write such shallow ignorant garbage? *This
thread could run for months.

Shallow is as shallow does.

The other day I was wondering whether Boon has run that rag he was editing
out of business yet.

The other day I was wondering if Susie still talked to you and if
Pastor Matt had kicked you out of the congregation. Coincidence, huh?

[Shhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 1, 12:24*pm, ScottW wrote:
"But the simple fact remains: any $500 turntable sounds better than
any $1000 CD player, any $2000 turntable sounds better than any $4000
CD transport/DAC combo and on and on and on."

http://www.furious.com/perfect/vinyl.html

*Simple facts for simple minds.
Who could write such shallow ignorant garbage? *This thread could run
for months.



2pid could write shallower, more ignorant garbage. lol!