[yrret]

Its part of bunch of gear I might buy as a package. I'm trying to guess
what stuff I'm likely to resell if I buy. I watched a youtube clip of a guy
playing a stereo and clicking it on and off and it seems to improve the
music. Does anyone use one of these for recording?

[nebulax]

On Mar 18, 1:00*am, "yrret" wrote:
Its part of bunch of gear I might buy as a package. * I'm trying to guess
what stuff I'm likely to resell if I buy. *I watched a youtube clip of a guy
playing a stereo and clicking it on and off and it seems to improve the
music. *Does anyone use one of these for recording?



Not sure I can explain it off the top of my head, but here's BBE's
description of it:


---Original Text---
http://www.bbesound.com/technologies/BBE_HDS/

Functional Overview:

BBE High Definition Sound compensates for phase and amplitude
distortion, restoring the brilliance and clarity of the original
content material. The BBE High Definition Sound process begins by
applying a linear phase shift across the full frequency range of the
signal, which allows the speaker system to reproduce the transients
and harmonics in the correct order. The BBE process then compensates
for speaker amplitude distortion by progressively boosting lower and
higher frequencies, and doing so within the context of the phase
correction process. This efficiently creates a fuller, richer sound
without excess equalization.

-----

[DeeAa[_4_]]

On 18 maalis, 08:06, nebulax wrote:
On Mar 18, 1:00*am, "yrret" wrote:

Its part of bunch of gear I might buy as a package. * I'm trying to guess
what stuff I'm likely to resell if I buy. *I watched a youtube clip of a guy
playing a stereo and clicking it on and off and it seems to improve the
music. *Does anyone use one of these for recording?

Not sure I can explain it off the top of my head, but here's BBE's
description of it:

---Original Text---http://www.bbesound.com/technologies/BBE_HDS/

Functional Overview:

BBE High Definition Sound compensates for phase and amplitude
distortion, restoring the brilliance and clarity of the original
content material. The BBE High Definition Sound process begins by
applying a linear phase shift across the full frequency range of the
signal, which allows the speaker system to reproduce the transients
and harmonics in the correct order. The BBE process then compensates
for speaker amplitude distortion by progressively boosting lower and
higher frequencies, and doing so within the context of the phase
correction process. This efficiently creates a fuller, richer sound
without excess equalization.

-----

Yep. And if it feels like it's hard to understand, what it in layman's
terms does, extra-simplified and cutting corners, is it sort of
divides the audio in three frequency ranges like a crossover, sort of,
and then delays the mid and bass ranges a tiny little (bass the most)
so that the high transients get to 'ring out' before they are masked
by the lows, thus creating a brighter, more airy sound.

They are good but easy to overuse, they tend to sound very good but
later you may realize it was all glitter...but they're good. I use one
for guitar, allows me to dial in a basically dark and non-fizzy sound
but still be clear and bright.

Cheers,

Dee

[RD Jones]

On Mar 18, 12:00*am, "yrret" wrote:
Its part of bunch of gear I might buy as a package. * I'm trying to guess
what stuff I'm likely to resell if I buy. *I watched a youtube clip of a guy
playing a stereo and clicking it on and off and it seems to improve the
music. *Does anyone use one of these for recording?

No, not for recording.
It's a playback device, or for SR for PA systems.

rd

[[email protected]]

On Mar 18, 4:32*am, DeeAa wrote:

They are good but easy to overuse, they tend to sound very good but
later you may realize it was all glitter...but they're good. I use one
for guitar, allows me to dial in a basically dark and non-fizzy sound
but still be clear and bright.


I was thinking the same. Used one on mixes for a year or so during an
era of TEAC 3440 4 track mixes and it definitely helped. When that
era moved on it went into the closet and didn't much return. But now
it finds its way into a direct guitar path sometimes just for yocks.
It's really no more evil for that than any other way of making a
direct guitar spank a little more. It also truly helped a v/o track
where the talent seemed to simply not have anything over 6khz coming
out of his mouth. That was a mix thing, naturally, not recorded
with. People love to flame it, but it's just another tool. The way
it was promoted when it first came out, as a magic bullet, was a
turnoff for sure. It's no MB.

They're no natural solution for dullness, but the old balanced, +4
version I have is not the most worthless thing I've held on to. The
unbalanced, -10 version from those days is really crappy sounding,
though. Not good for anything.

[Scott Dorsey]

In article , yrret wrote:
Its part of bunch of gear I might buy as a package. I'm trying to guess
what stuff I'm likely to resell if I buy. I watched a youtube clip of a guy
playing a stereo and clicking it on and off and it seems to improve the
music. Does anyone use one of these for recording?

It's a device that adds high order even harmonic distortion to make things
sound brighter. It's a useful device for salvaging poorly-made tracks, but
it's one of those things where a little bit goes a long way and any more than
a little is way too much.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

nebulax wrote:
Not sure I can explain it off the top of my head, but here's BBE's
description of it:


---Original Text---
http://www.bbesound.com/technologies/BBE_HDS/

Functional Overview:

BBE High Definition Sound compensates for phase and amplitude
distortion, restoring the brilliance and clarity of the original
content material. The BBE High Definition Sound process begins by
applying a linear phase shift across the full frequency range of the
signal, which allows the speaker system to reproduce the transients
and harmonics in the correct order. The BBE process then compensates
for speaker amplitude distortion by progressively boosting lower and
higher frequencies, and doing so within the context of the phase
correction process. This efficiently creates a fuller, richer sound
without excess equalization.

Unfortunately this description is mostly crap. What BBE has claimed for
decades is that their device is a group delay box used for fixing group
delay problems... but if you actually try using an all-pass filter like
the Little Labs device which adds controlled group delay, you'll find that
it is a much more subtle effect with a totally different sound. The BBE
marketing isn't accurate at all here, and the real effect that makes the
sound is unrelated to whatever group delay the filter adds.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Albert]

On Mar 18, 6:59*am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
It's a device that adds high order even harmonic distortion to make things
sound brighter. *It's a useful device for salvaging poorly-made tracks, but
it's one of those things where a little bit goes a long way and any more than
a little is way too much.
--scott

I have some old tapes that I have digitized as best I can but they
were originally recorded pretty dull. I was thinking about using an
'exciter' plugin to brighten them up some. Can anyone recommend a
plugin that will do the trick for not too much?

thanks, Albert

[Scott Dorsey]

Albert wrote:
On Mar 18, 6:59=A0am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
It's a device that adds high order even harmonic distortion to make thing=
s
sound brighter. =A0It's a useful device for salvaging poorly-made tracks,=
but
it's one of those things where a little bit goes a long way and any more =
than
a little is way too much.

I have some old tapes that I have digitized as best I can but they
were originally recorded pretty dull. I was thinking about using an
'exciter' plugin to brighten them up some. Can anyone recommend a
plugin that will do the trick for not too much?

I don't know about plugins, but you can buy a used Aural Exciter or
Sonic Maximizer for cheap, then resell it for more than you paid when
you are finished with it.

However, if you are talking about a tape... make SURE you have a good
transcription with correct azimuth on playback and the correct head
configuration before you do anything else.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[[email protected]]

On Mar 18, 6:16*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Albert wrote:
On Mar 18, 6:59=A0am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
It's a device that adds high order even harmonic distortion to make thing=
s
sound brighter. =A0It's a useful device for salvaging poorly-made tracks,=
but
it's one of those things where a little bit goes a long way and any more =
than
a little is way too much.

I have some old tapes that I have digitized as best I can but they
were originally recorded pretty dull. I was thinking about using an
'exciter' plugin to brighten them up some. Can anyone recommend a
plugin that will do the trick for not too much?

I don't know about plugins, but you can buy a used Aural Exciter or
Sonic Maximizer for cheap, then resell it for more than you paid when
you are finished with it.

However, if you are talking about a tape... make SURE you have a good
transcription with correct azimuth on playback and the correct head
configuration before you do anything else.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. *C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

I tried a lot of those devices. In my quest for highs. Concluded fix
it in the mix. Sold them all. It was fun though.
1. Aphex type c = my favorite.
2. Aphex type c = with big bottom by spinal tap
3. Aphex type 3 = more control has solo buttons. HF's will kill
roaches.
4. BBE 462 = very good for a few things.
5. DBX's version = not good
6. Rocktron= Blah blah.
7. Spectralizer (plug in) = I still use if the mix is not
right.
( This was brought to you by TMM high end buying binge no.1)
Glenn.

[[email protected]]

On Mar 18, 10:59*am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
In article , yrret wrote:
Its part of bunch of gear I might buy as a package. * I'm trying to guess
what stuff I'm likely to resell if I buy. *I watched a youtube clip of a guy
playing a stereo and clicking it on and off and it seems to improve the
music. *Does anyone use one of these for recording?

It's a device that adds high order even harmonic distortion to make things
sound brighter. *

Scott, you're putting the Aphex "Aural Exciter" and the BBE in the
same bucket. If he's talking about a "Sonic Maximizer it'll be the
BBE. I don't believe the BBE adds high order even harmonic
distortion, which is the Aphex's strategy. Unless you're saying
they're boosted as a result of the delays? I was under the impression
there wasn't any overlap between them. ?

[GregS[_3_]]

In article , wrote:
On Mar 18, 10:59=A0am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
In article , yrret =
wrote:
Its part of bunch of gear I might buy as a package. =A0 I'm trying to gu=
ess
what stuff I'm likely to resell if I buy. =A0I watched a youtube clip of=
a guy
playing a stereo and clicking it on and off and it seems to improve the
music. =A0Does anyone use one of these for recording?

It's a device that adds high order even harmonic distortion to make thing=
s
sound brighter. =A0

Scott, you're putting the Aphex "Aural Exciter" and the BBE in the
same bucket. If he's talking about a "Sonic Maximizer it'll be the
BBE. I don't believe the BBE adds high order even harmonic
distortion, which is the Aphex's strategy. Unless you're saying
they're boosted as a result of the delays? I was under the impression
there wasn't any overlap between them. ?

There are many versions of BBE, but I am familiar with just boosting highs.
I was contemplating on hooking up a spectrum analyzer but I really don't think its
necessary to test my old unit. To keep background noise low, the highs
are only boosted when there is enough signal.

greg

[Scott Dorsey]

In article ,
wrote:
On Mar 18, 10:59=A0am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
In article , yrret =
wrote:
Its part of bunch of gear I might buy as a package. =A0 I'm trying to gu=
ess
what stuff I'm likely to resell if I buy. =A0I watched a youtube clip of=
a guy
playing a stereo and clicking it on and off and it seems to improve the
music. =A0Does anyone use one of these for recording?

It's a device that adds high order even harmonic distortion to make thing=
s
sound brighter. =A0

Scott, you're putting the Aphex "Aural Exciter" and the BBE in the
same bucket. If he's talking about a "Sonic Maximizer it'll be the
BBE. I don't believe the BBE adds high order even harmonic
distortion, which is the Aphex's strategy. Unless you're saying
they're boosted as a result of the delays? I was under the impression
there wasn't any overlap between them. ?

No, they are both in the same category, in spite of the BBE marketing.
However, the distortion spectra is very different between the two, and you
might like one more than the other... I think the BBE is a little less
in-your-face about it than the Aphex.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Doug McDonald[_3_]]

nebulax wrote:


Functional Overview:

BBE High Definition Sound compensates for phase and amplitude
distortion, restoring the brilliance and clarity of the original
content material. The BBE High Definition Sound process begins by
applying a linear phase shift across the full frequency range of the
signal, which allows the speaker system to reproduce the transients
and harmonics in the correct order.

Wow! A linear phase shift across the whole spectrum! What a concept:

A TIME SHIFT!

I own a TV with "BBE Sound Process" in it .... it does change sound,
but, with four foot speaker separation and 4 inch speakers, it
still sounds like an old table radio.

Doug McDonald