[Arny Krueger]

"John Atkinson" wrote in
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On Jan 30, 12:44 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in
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On Jan 30, 7:53 am, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in

On Jan 29, 11:27 pm, "TT"
wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
news "Harry Lavo" wrote in message

Judging from his ABX website, I'm sure it is right
up there with his work as an "audio professional".
And just as available,

Post a working URL for the ABX web site or admit
that you are lying about it existing, Harry.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.pcabx.com

Ah, memories! Mr. Krueger used to claim that this
site had 1000s of visitors every month, that it
rivaled the sites run by magazines. Yet now it
only exists courtesy of the [obsessive] servers
at web.archive.org :-)

Except they don't have most of the site. Actually,
hardly any of it at all.

External features aren't preserved, of course, as the
servers that stored them are presumably repurposed or
defunct.

So what are you saying John, is the site as I said, or
not?

You are incorrect, Mr. Krueger. The pages I visited were
complete enough for the skill of those involved in the
website to be judged.

But the core of your dead site is preserved,
which is sufficient to support Harry Lavo's statement.

Nope. Remember, I know what the site is supposed to be
like.

And everyone else can still _see_ what it looked like,
Mr. Krueger and form our own opinions on your skills as a
"professional" website operator.

where are all the tests of representative low
cost CD players that you've promised and not delivered?

I see you are now playing the game you've played
before, Mr. Krueger: that if you don't click on a link
I've provided you in another thread, you can say in
_this_thread that the page's contents don't exist.

Even when I clicked on the link you subsequently provided John, there were
no tests of ca. $50 DVD players.

There was a review of a $6,000 media server that Marc tells me needs a fix
that is avaiable from the factory, a review of an obsolete game console that
is still being offered for almost $200, and a $150 universal DVD player that
you trashed using weird science.

Not even one review of a ca. $50 DVD player, and such information that was
provided was one-dimensional.

"According to John Atkinson jitter is the sole determiner of digital player
quality. Furthermore, jitter and only jitter defines sound quality no matter
how low the jitter actually is".

After all, who is the AES when we have an authority like John Atkinson to
show us the light?

[John Atkinson[_2_]]

On Jan 30, 4:26 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in

Arny Krueger demanded:
where are all the tests of representative low
cost CD players that you've promised and not delivered?

I see you are now playing the game you've played
before, Mr. Krueger: that if you don't click on a link
I've provided you in another thread, you can say in
_this_thread that the page's contents don't exist.

Even when I clicked on the link you subsequently provided
John, there were no tests of ca. $50 DVD players.

Your words above, Mr. Krueger, were "representative low
cost CD players." Now you say "ca. $50 DVD players."

There was a review of an obsolete game console that
is still being offered for almost $200...

Typical price on eBay is $25-$35. The first-generation PS1
is in widespread use as a budget CD player.

and a $150 universal DVD player...

Right. In their circuit design and parts selection, these
2 players are indeed representative of what you
can buy at the low end of the player market. They offer
analog noise floors that are above the CD's intrinsic
noise, limiting resolution in one case (published in
the magazine but not in this article) to around 14
bits, and they have fairly high levels of jitter. You
don't have to spend that much more -- see the
Onkyo DX-7555 measurement in the jitter article --
to get measured performance that will not
compromise CD playback.

"According to John Atkinson jitter is the sole determiner
of digital player quality. Furthermore, jitter and only jitter
defines sound quality no matter how low the jitter actually is".

I don't know who you are quoting here, Mr. Krueger,
but I have never claimed anything like this. Perhaps
you are confusing me with someone else.

After all, who is the AES when we have an authority like
John Atkinson to show us the light?

Well, I am a long-term full member of the AES and
you, despite your belief in scientism, Mr. Krueger,
are not. :-)

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 30, 4:12*pm, John Atkinson wrote:
On Jan 30, 4:26 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

"According to John Atkinson jitter is the sole determiner
of digital player quality. Furthermore, jitter and only jitter
defines sound quality no matter how low the jitter actually is".

I don't know who you are quoting here, Mr. Krueger,
but I have never claimed anything like this. Perhaps
you are confusing me with someone else.

Or creating yet another strawman, which is GOIA's second favorite
"debating trade" trick (behind the well-known "IKYABWAI".)

After all, who is the AES when we have an authority like
John Atkinson to show us the light?

Well, I am a long-term full member of the AES and
you, despite your belief in scientism, Mr. Krueger,
are not. :-)

I find your usage of smileys as confusing as 2pid does.

To me it appears that you are laughing at GOIA. Laughing at the
mentally-handicapped is not nice. :-(

[Arny Krueger]

"John Atkinson" wrote in
message

On Jan 30, 4:26 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in

Arny Krueger demanded:
where are all the tests of representative low
cost CD players that you've promised and not delivered?

I see you are now playing the game you've played
before, Mr. Krueger: that if you don't click on a link
I've provided you in another thread, you can say in
_this_thread that the page's contents don't exist.

Even when I clicked on the link you subsequently provided
John, there were no tests of ca. $50 DVD players.

Your words above, Mr. Krueger, were "representative low
cost CD players." Now you say "ca. $50 DVD players."

There was a review of an obsolete game console that
is still being offered for almost $200...

Typical price on eBay is $25-$35. The first-generation PS1
is in widespread use as a budget CD player.

So John, you think its fair to suddenly shift from discussing prices for
new equipment to prices for used equipment?

and a $150 universal DVD player...

Right. In their circuit design and parts selection, these
2 players are indeed representative of what you
can buy at the low end of the player market.

Prove it. I see zero evidence about ca. $50 DVD players.

They offer
analog noise floors that are above the CD's intrinsic
noise, limiting resolution in one case (published in
the magazine but not in this article) to around 14
bits,

Note that John does not document which player he is talking about.

and they have fairly high levels of jitter.

Not nearly as bad as one of the high end players that you tested.

You don't have to spend that much more -- see the
Onkyo DX-7555 measurement in the jitter article --
to get measured performance that will not
compromise CD playback.

John you're all about numbers and not at all about actually playing
recordings or doing proper listening tests.

The very best orchestral recording I've been able to find has about 82 dB
dynamic range. Playing it on a player with 92 dB dynamic range only hurts
the effective dynamic range by a fraction of a dB. And its all moot,
because if you play the recording at sensible volume levels the ambient
noise in just about any residential listening room will mask it all.


"According to John Atkinson jitter is the sole determiner
of digital player quality. Furthermore, jitter and only
jitter defines sound quality no matter how low the
jitter actually is".

I don't know who you are quoting here, Mr. Krueger,
but I have never claimed anything like this.

John the above is what you are saying when you start doing articles that
purport to judge CD players by just one parameter of the several that are
actually relevant.


After all, who is the AES when we have an authority like
John Atkinson to show us the light?

Well, I am a long-term full member of the AES and
you, despite your belief in scientism, Mr. Krueger,
are not. :-)

So what? In my case I actually believe and act on much of what the AES
publishes. In your case, your membership in the AES seems to be in name,
only.

[Harry Lavo]

"John Atkinson" wrote in message
...
On Jan 30, 4:26 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in

Arny Krueger demanded:
where are all the tests of representative low
cost CD players that you've promised and not delivered?

I see you are now playing the game you've played
before, Mr. Krueger: that if you don't click on a link
I've provided you in another thread, you can say in
_this_thread that the page's contents don't exist.

Even when I clicked on the link you subsequently provided
John, there were no tests of ca. $50 DVD players.

Your words above, Mr. Krueger, were "representative low
cost CD players." Now you say "ca. $50 DVD players."

There was a review of an obsolete game console that
is still being offered for almost $200...

Typical price on eBay is $25-$35. The first-generation PS1
is in widespread use as a budget CD player.

and a $150 universal DVD player...

Right. In their circuit design and parts selection, these
2 players are indeed representative of what you
can buy at the low end of the player market. They offer
analog noise floors that are above the CD's intrinsic
noise, limiting resolution in one case (published in
the magazine but not in this article) to around 14
bits, and they have fairly high levels of jitter. You
don't have to spend that much more -- see the
Onkyo DX-7555 measurement in the jitter article --
to get measured performance that will not
compromise CD playback.

"According to John Atkinson jitter is the sole determiner
of digital player quality. Furthermore, jitter and only jitter
defines sound quality no matter how low the jitter actually is".

I don't know who you are quoting here, Mr. Krueger,
but I have never claimed anything like this. Perhaps
you are confusing me with someone else.

After all, who is the AES when we have an authority like
John Atkinson to show us the light?

Well, I am a long-term full member of the AES and
you, despite your belief in scientism, Mr. Krueger,
are not. :-)


Arny's belief in scientism does not stretch to cover an $85 associate
membership, John. You need to remember who you are talking about. :-)

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message

"John Atkinson" wrote in
message
...
On Jan 30, 4:26 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in

Arny Krueger demanded:
where are all the tests of representative low
cost CD players that you've promised and not
delivered?

I see you are now playing the game you've played
before, Mr. Krueger: that if you don't click on a link
I've provided you in another thread, you can say in
_this_thread that the page's contents don't exist.

Even when I clicked on the link you subsequently
provided John, there were no tests of ca. $50 DVD players.

Your words above, Mr. Krueger, were "representative low
cost CD players." Now you say "ca. $50 DVD players."

There was a review of an obsolete game console that
is still being offered for almost $200...

Typical price on eBay is $25-$35. The first-generation
PS1 is in widespread use as a budget CD player.

and a $150 universal DVD player...

Right. In their circuit design and parts selection, these
2 players are indeed representative of what you
can buy at the low end of the player market. They offer
analog noise floors that are above the CD's intrinsic
noise, limiting resolution in one case (published in
the magazine but not in this article) to around 14
bits, and they have fairly high levels of jitter. You
don't have to spend that much more -- see the
Onkyo DX-7555 measurement in the jitter article --
to get measured performance that will not
compromise CD playback.

"According to John Atkinson jitter is the sole
determiner of digital player quality. Furthermore, jitter and only
jitter defines sound quality no matter how low the
jitter actually is".

I don't know who you are quoting here, Mr. Krueger,
but I have never claimed anything like this. Perhaps
you are confusing me with someone else.

After all, who is the AES when we have an authority like
John Atkinson to show us the light?

Well, I am a long-term full member of the AES and
you, despite your belief in scientism, Mr. Krueger,
are not. :-)


Arny's belief in scientism does not stretch to cover an
$85 associate membership, John. You need to remember who
you are talking about. :-)

I have no belief in scientism to stretch.

I understand that "Scientism" is a new age perjorative that actually means
"Science classes always gave me a headache because I have no aptitude or
patience for it so it must be a religion and I hate all religions".

[John Atkinson[_2_]]

On Jan 30, 8:27 pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Jan 30, 4:12 pm, John Atkinson wrote:
On Jan 30, 4:26 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"According to John Atkinson jitter is the sole determiner
of digital player quality. Furthermore, jitter and only jitter
defines sound quality no matter how low the jitter actually is".

I don't know who you are quoting here, Mr. Krueger,
but I have never claimed anything like this. Perhaps
you are confusing me with someone else.

Or creating yet another strawman, which is GOIA's second favorite
"debating trade" trick (behind the well-known "IKYABWAI".)

Arny Krueger has admitted below that he fabricated
the passage in quote marks and attributed to me,
based on his (mis)understanding of why I wrote
and published a technical examination of one aspect
of digital component performance. Perhaps I
should have included some examples of
"trumpets."

After all, who is the AES when we have an authority
like John Atkinson to show us the light?

Well, I am a long-term full member of the AES and
you, despite your belief in scientism, Mr. Krueger,
are not. :-)

I find your usage of smileys as confusing as 2pid does.
To me it appears that you are laughing at GOIA.

Indeed I am. I find it immensely amusing that a man
who only recently explained that he is not a member
of the AES because the members of that academic
society "lie" to him, nevertheless wraps himself in
the AES flag of scientific respectability when his
own arguments founder.

Laughing at the mentally-handicapped is not nice. :-(

I have never claimed to be "nice," merely polite. :-)

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

Do you mean the best orchestral recording overall, or
only IRT dynamic range?

[snip "debating trade" crapola]

This is what happens when you attempt to start a discussion about audio
with Arny.

Yes it is. And it's always the same.

Will you excuse Turdborg from continuing his explorations of "facts" and
"science" because he has to go prostrate himself before his imaginary "God"?
TIA on behalf of lying sacks of **** everywhere.

[Note to the Krooborg: Irony is, and always has been, beyond your grasp.]

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" wrote in
message
Jenn said:

Do you mean the best orchestral recording overall, or
only IRT dynamic range?

[snip "debating trade" crapola]

This is what happens when you attempt to start a
discussion about audio with Arny.

Yes it is. And it's always the same.

Will you excuse Turdborg from continuing his explorations
of "facts" and "science" because he has to go prostrate
himself before his imaginary "God"? TIA on behalf of
lying sacks of **** everywhere.

[Note to the Krooborg: Irony is, and always has been,
beyond your grasp.]

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in
message
Jenn said:

Do you mean the best orchestral recording overall, or
only IRT dynamic range?

[snip "debating trade" crapola]

This is what happens when you attempt to start a
discussion about audio with Arny.

Yes it is. And it's always the same.

Will you excuse Turdborg from continuing his explorations
of "facts" and "science" because he has to go prostrate
himself before his imaginary "God"? TIA on behalf of
lying sacks of **** everywhere.

[Note to the Krooborg: Irony is, and always has been,
beyond your grasp.]

Who is "Jeen"?

So he is "praising" me because he agreed to the obvious. OK.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

This is what happens when you attempt to start a
discussion about audio with Arny.

Yes it is. And it's always the same.

Will you excuse Turdborg from continuing his explorations
of "facts" and "science" because he has to go prostrate
himself before his imaginary "God"? TIA on behalf of
lying sacks of **** everywhere.

[Note to the Krooborg: Irony is, and always has been,
beyond your grasp.]

Who is "Jeen"?

Thnak's Jene for, admoititng Jnne that you'er unable to parse a simplle typo
error Jennn.

So he is "praising" me because he agreed to the obvious. OK.

Arnii was just complaining that you don't pick on him enough. Where does the
"truth" lie? ;-)



--

"What is, a lie? Its a lie if I say its a lie. The truth can be a lie."
-- A. Krooger, Jan. 2009

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 31, 11:09*am, John Atkinson wrote:
On Jan 30, 8:27 pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Jan 30, 4:12 pm, John Atkinson wrote:
On Jan 30, 4:26 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"According to John Atkinson jitter is the sole determiner
of digital player quality. Furthermore, jitter and only jitter
defines sound quality no matter how low the jitter actually is".

I don't know who you are quoting here, Mr. Krueger,
but I have never claimed anything like this. Perhaps
you are confusing me with someone else.

Or creating yet another strawman, which is GOIA's second favorite
"debating trade" trick (behind the well-known "IKYABWAI".)

Arny Krueger has admitted below that he fabricated
the passage in quote marks and attributed to me,
based on his (mis)understanding of why I wrote
and published a technical examination of one aspect
of digital component performance.

That would mean that GOIA admitted to lying, which is impossible.

Therefore, you must be lying. ;-)

After all, who is the AES when we have an authority
like John Atkinson to show us the light?

Well, I am a long-term full member of the AES and
you, despite your belief in scientism, Mr. Krueger,
are not. :-)

I find your usage of smileys as confusing as 2pid does.
To me it appears that you are laughing at GOIA.

Indeed I am. I find it immensely amusing that a man
who only recently explained that he is not a member
of the AES because the members of that academic
society "lie" to him, nevertheless wraps himself in
the AES flag of scientific respectability when his
own arguments founder.

Well, OK, but I find it far more amusing when GOIA questions someone
else's integrity, accuses them of being "hypocrites" and so forth.

To me the AES thing gets lost in the dunnage.

Laughing at the mentally-handicapped is not nice. :-(

I have never claimed to be "nice," merely polite. :-)

I agree that you appear to laugh at him far more politely than I do. I
attribute that to your British accent. British accents make even
calling someone an "asshole" sound polite. :-)

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 31, 2:59*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"George M. Middius" wrote in
messagenews:kqc9o45gl82ulv8f4psmh1htn545fc85hl@4ax .com



Jenn said:

Do you mean the best orchestral recording overall, or
only IRT dynamic range?

[snip "debating trade" crapola]

This is what happens when you attempt to start a
discussion about audio with Arny.

Yes it is. And it's always the same.

Will you excuse Turdborg from continuing his explorations
of "facts" and "science" because he has to go prostrate
himself before his imaginary "God"? TIA on behalf of
lying sacks of **** everywhere.

[Note to the Krooborg: Irony is, and always has been,
beyond your grasp.]

Points to George and Jenn for getting GOIA so worked up that he hit
"send" without posting anything.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Harry Lavo said:

she edited my post

Oh this is rich. From the man who routinely snips entire sections of posts
when what they contain annoy or refute him....all withou reference of a
"snip" to indicate that it is missing, much less "why" it was snipped.
This is one of Arny's routine practices on this forum and on others....and
he has been called out for it by others beside myself.

Arnii is a self-proclaimed "master of the debating trade". That means he
gets to do whatever he wants, and all of us non-"masters" are merely pawns
in his private game.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

I'm trying to discern how he believes I was trying to pull any kind of
fast one on him.

I'm sure it's my fault, whatever you supposedly did.

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" wrote in
message

Arnii is a self-proclaimed "master of the debating
trade". That means he gets to do whatever he wants, and
all of us non-"masters" are merely pawns in his private
game.

Obviously Middiot, you have no idea that RAO is available to the general
public. Nothing private about RAO at all.

Middiot, you cower behind an alias, because you know the redicule you'd
receive if people who know you in real life knew that being the Middiot is
what you do with so much of your life.

If Jenn does as she has promised, and stops posting responses to or about
me, then that will be a significant victory for me.

[Boon]

On Jan 31, 9:21�pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"George M. Middius" wrote in
messagenews:u2cao4do976p372ee96g0h1eu6335sa34k@4ax .com

Arnii is a self-proclaimed "master of the debating
trade". That means he gets to do whatever he wants, and
all of us non-"masters" are merely pawns in his private
game.

Obviously Middiot, you have no idea that RAO is available to the general
public. Nothing private about RAO at all.

Middiot, you cower behind an alias, because you know the redicule you'd
receive if people who know you in real life knew that being the Middiot is
what you do with so much of your life.

If Jenn does as she has promised, and stops posting responses to or about
me, then that will be a significant victory for me.

I don't think so. When everyone agreed to ignore you a couple of
years ago, you howled like a stuck pig. I've always said that the
best way to rid RAO of your presence is to have you posting in a
vacuum. But a few of the people here actually enjoy tormenting you
too much so that can't happen.

If everyone wants to try ignoring Arny again, I'm all for it. It's
one thing to torment an asshole, but Arny has clearly gone way past
that point and the tormenting has taken on a new dimension. I think
we've seen plenty of evidence over the last few weeks that Arny is
mentally ill. We may have to start considering the fact that pushing
a mentally ill person too far may have consequences. I think if we
keep this up for a few more weeks or months, something bad may happen.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" wrote in message

On Jan 31, 9:21?pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"George M. Middius" wrote in
messagenews:u2cao4do976p372ee96g0h1eu6335sa34k@4ax .com

Arnii is a self-proclaimed "master of the debating
trade". That means he gets to do whatever he wants, and
all of us non-"masters" are merely pawns in his private
game.

Obviously Middiot, you have no idea that RAO is
available to the general public. Nothing private about
RAO at all.

Middiot, you cower behind an alias, because you know the
redicule you'd receive if people who know you in real
life knew that being the Middiot is what you do with so
much of your life.

If Jenn does as she has promised, and stops posting
responses to or about me, then that will be a
significant victory for me.

I don't think so. When everyone agreed to ignore you a
couple of years ago, you howled like a stuck pig.

No I laughed like it was really funny because you guys couldn't pull it off.

I've
always said that the best way to rid RAO of your presence
is to have you posting in a vacuum.

It wouldn't work because you in the Middiocy are way to compulsive and
obsessed with me.

But a few of the
people here actually enjoy tormenting you too much so
that can't happen.

Yup that's what normal people do according to Marc - torment people.

Marc, you are really a paragon of sanity and morality. Not!

If everyone wants to try ignoring Arny again, I'm all for it.

I am too. Now that would be victory for me, and in spades.

It's one thing to torment an asshole,

In your case Marc, that's obviously self-abuse.

but Arny has
clearly gone way past that point and the tormenting has
taken on a new dimension.

Give me that victory Marc!

I think we've seen plenty of
evidence over the last few weeks that Arny is mentally
ill.

What most normal people see is a bunch of idiots, charging at windmills.

We may have to start considering the fact that
pushing a mentally ill person too far may have
consequences.

It is true that by posting so many responses to you Marc, I've whipped you
up into levels of excitement that may be unbearable for you.

I think if we keep this up for a few more
weeks or months, something bad may happen.

Yes, more of you will bail, like Jenn has promised to do.

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article
,
Boon wrote:

If everyone wants to try ignoring Arny again, I'm all for it. It's
one thing to torment an asshole, but Arny has clearly gone way past
that point and the tormenting has taken on a new dimension. I think
we've seen plenty of evidence over the last few weeks that Arny is
mentally ill. We may have to start considering the fact that pushing
a mentally ill person too far may have consequences.

That's my point of bowing out of discussion with him. Something finally
hit me tonight about his mental state. I believe that he is unstable,
and therefore, A. Trying to make him see reality is probably fruitless,
and B. He could be headed down a very bad road, and I don't want to be
part of what could be happening.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article
,
Boon wrote:

If everyone wants to try ignoring Arny again, I'm all
for it. It's one thing to torment an asshole, but Arny
has clearly gone way past that point and the tormenting
has taken on a new dimension. I think we've seen plenty
of evidence over the last few weeks that Arny is
mentally ill. We may have to start considering the fact
that pushing a mentally ill person too far may have
consequences.

That's my point of bowing out of discussion with him.

Which of course you are not doing, Jenn. You're just pretending that you are
bowing out of discussion of me by discussing me with someone else. They are
just a surrogate for me. You are still mulling me over in your mind again
and again.

What you are doing Jenn is perfectly transparent, and very much what a silly
middle school girl would do.

Something finally hit me tonight about his mental state.

Something about my ability to predict your behavior, Jenn?

I believe that he is unstable, and therefore, A. Trying
to make him see reality is probably fruitless, and B. He
could be headed down a very bad road, and I don't want to
be part of what could be happening.

Jenn, any bad road that you could think of, you will always go down it
before me. In fact I'll probably never ever go there.

[Clyde Slick]

On 1 Feb, 00:21, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
..

redicule

we always know when you're having a bad day.
just try to hang in there, 'chruch' is tomorrow morning.

[Clyde Slick]

On 1 Feb, 13:12, ScottW wrote:
On Jan 31, 3:13*pm, Jenn wrote:





In article ,
*"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in
messagenews:kqc9o45gl82ulv8f4psmh1htn545fc85hl@4ax .com
Jenn said:

Do you mean the best orchestral recording overall, or
only IRT dynamic range?

[snip "debating trade" crapola]

This is what happens when you attempt to start a
discussion about audio with Arny.

Yes it is. And it's always the same.

Will you excuse Turdborg from continuing his explorations
of "facts" and "science" because he has to go prostrate
himself before his imaginary "God"? TIA on behalf of
lying sacks of **** everywhere.

[Note to the Krooborg: Irony is, and always has been,
beyond your grasp.]

Who is "Jeen"?

So he is "praising" me because he agreed to the obvious. *OK.

He's praising you because you continue to spiral down
the Arnyitis drain.

Seriously, if you want to have "an audio" converstation with
Arny, you better grow a thicker skin.

and plug yur nose

You might also avoid the stupid questions are at least endure
the snotty answer and push forward.
If you really care why Arny thinks those are the "very best
orchestral recordings" you're going to need more stamina
than you've shown to find out.


He is always welcome to state it in simple English.
there is no reason we have to administer his enema
to get an answer.

[Clyde Slick]

On 1 Feb, 14:32, ScottW wrote:
On Feb 1, 11:13*am, Clyde Slick wrote:





On 1 Feb, 13:12, ScottW wrote:

On Jan 31, 3:13*pm, Jenn wrote:

In article ,
*"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in
messagenews:kqc9o45gl82ulv8f4psmh1htn545fc85hl@4ax .com
Jenn said:

Do you mean the best orchestral recording overall, or
only IRT dynamic range?

[snip "debating trade" crapola]

This is what happens when you attempt to start a
discussion about audio with Arny.

Yes it is. And it's always the same.

Will you excuse Turdborg from continuing his explorations
of "facts" and "science" because he has to go prostrate
himself before his imaginary "God"? TIA on behalf of
lying sacks of **** everywhere.

[Note to the Krooborg: Irony is, and always has been,
beyond your grasp.]

Who is "Jeen"?

So he is "praising" me because he agreed to the obvious. *OK.

He's praising you because you continue to spiral down
the Arnyitis drain.

Seriously, if you want to have "an audio" converstation with
Arny, you better grow a thicker skin.

and plug yur nose

*Whatever works for you. *I've yet to experience any
odors from my display due to RAO.
Perhaps you spilled something on your laptop.



You might also avoid the stupid questions are at least endure
the snotty answer and push forward.
If you really care why Arny thinks those are the "very best
orchestral recordings" you're going to need more stamina
than you've shown to find out.

He is always welcome to state it in simple English.
there is no reason we have to administer his enema
to get an answer.

*LoL. *No reason? *Not if you don't want an answer on
topic. *In this regard he is little different than Middiot or
shhtard where BS parsing is always required.

ScottW-

George and Shh can and do answer simple and direct
questions.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 1, 1:32*pm, ScottW wrote:
On Feb 1, 11:13*am, Clyde Slick wrote:

He is always welcome to state it in simple English.
there is no reason we have to administer his enema
to get an answer.

*LoL. *No reason? *Not if you don't want an answer on
topic. *In this regard he is little different than Middiot or
shhtard where BS parsing is always required.

Um, it's called a "language", 2pid, and just because you don't know
how to use it is no reason to get upset...again. LoL.

What do you want to know about, 2pid? Ask away and if I feel like
answering I will.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

He is always welcome to state it in simple English.
there is no reason we have to administer his enema
to get an answer.

*LoL. *No reason? *Not if you don't want an answer on
topic. *In this regard he is little different than Middiot or
shhtard where BS parsing is always required.

Um, it's called a "language", 2pid, and just because you don't know
how to use it is no reason to get upset...again. LoL.

What do you want to know about, 2pid? Ask away and if I feel like
answering I will.

While Scottie is fulminating, here's my question: When did you become
intolerant of loud, obnoxious imbeciles?

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article
,
ScottW wrote:

On Jan 31, 3:13*pm, Jenn wrote:
In article ,
*"Arny Krueger" wrote:





"George M. Middius" wrote in
messagenews:kqc9o45gl82ulv8f4psmh1htn545fc85hl@4ax .com
Jenn said:

Do you mean the best orchestral recording overall, or
only IRT dynamic range?

[snip "debating trade" crapola]

This is what happens when you attempt to start a
discussion about audio with Arny.

Yes it is. And it's always the same.

Will you excuse Turdborg from continuing his explorations
of "facts" and "science" because he has to go prostrate
himself before his imaginary "God"? TIA on behalf of
lying sacks of **** everywhere.

[Note to the Krooborg: Irony is, and always has been,
beyond your grasp.]

Who is "Jeen"?

So he is "praising" me because he agreed to the obvious. *OK.

He's praising you because you continue to spiral down
the Arnyitis drain.

I'm finished responding to him.


Seriously, if you want to have "an audio" converstation with
Arny, you better grow a thicker skin.
You might also avoid the stupid questions are at least endure
the snotty answer and push forward.

If you really care why Arny thinks those are the "very best
orchestral recordings" you're going to need more stamina
than you've shown to find out.

Middiot doesn't care about the recordings at all.
He just wants to splash around
in the turdbowl. The more the merrier for him.
Why do you think he keeps trolling you as Mistress Jenn?

The difference between you and me: I don't care.

[Arny Krueger]

"ScottW" wrote in message


He's praising you because you continue to spiral down
the Arnyitis drain.

That would be the Middiocy drain. The more Jenn works at it, the more she is
becoming like the Middiot.

Seriously, if you want to have "an audio" converstation
with Arny, you better grow a thicker skin.

Nahh, Jenn's skin is plenty thick. Her skin has thickened to the point where
her brain is 100% callous.


You might also avoid the stupid questions are at least
endure the snotty answer and push forward.

Jenn has no interest in audio - she loves to be treated like one of the
boys.

If you really care why Arny thinks those are the "very
best orchestral recordings" you're going to need more
stamina than you've shown to find out.

That's a straw man that Jenn created out of whole cloth and reckless
editing.

Middiot doesn't care about the recordings at all.

Agreed. Middiot is all about keeping control over his band of dimwits.

He just wants to splash around in the turdbowl.

Middiot is the turdbowl.

The more the merrier for him.

He thrives on the illusion of control that he has over nothing that is
useful.

Why do you think he keeps trolling you as Mistress Jenn?

That's how he keeps Jenn on the job, trying to harrass me.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article
,
ScottW wrote:

On Jan 31, 3:13 pm, Jenn wrote:
In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:





"George M. Middius" wrote in
messagenews:kqc9o45gl82ulv8f4psmh1htn545fc85hl@4ax .com
Jenn said:

Do you mean the best orchestral recording overall,
or only IRT dynamic range?

[snip "debating trade" crapola]

This is what happens when you attempt to start a
discussion about audio with Arny.

Yes it is. And it's always the same.

Will you excuse Turdborg from continuing his
explorations of "facts" and "science" because he has
to go prostrate himself before his imaginary "God"?
TIA on behalf of lying sacks of **** everywhere.

[Note to the Krooborg: Irony is, and always has been,
beyond your grasp.]

Who is "Jeen"?

So he is "praising" me because he agreed to the
obvious. OK.

He's praising you because you continue to spiral down
the Arnyitis drain.

I'm finished responding to him.


Actions speak more loudly than words.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 1, 3:54*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Jenn" wrote in message







In article
,
ScottW wrote:

On Jan 31, 3:13 pm, Jenn wrote:
In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in
messagenews:kqc9o45gl82ulv8f4psmh1htn545fc85hl@4ax .com
Jenn said:

Do you mean the best orchestral recording overall,
or only IRT dynamic range?

[snip "debating trade" crapola]

This is what happens when you attempt to start a
discussion about audio with Arny.

Yes it is. And it's always the same.

Will you excuse Turdborg from continuing his
explorations of "facts" and "science" because he has
to go prostrate himself before his imaginary "God"?
TIA on behalf of lying sacks of **** everywhere.

[Note to the Krooborg: Irony is, and always has been,
beyond your grasp.]

Who is "Jeen"?

So he is "praising" me because he agreed to the
obvious. OK.

He's praising you because you continue to spiral down
the Arnyitis drain.

I'm finished responding to him.

Actions speak more loudly than words.

GOIA won't be happy until he drives off another poster. GOIA has
ruined RAO and he's quite proud of it.

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article
,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

On Feb 1, 3:54*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Jenn" wrote in message







In article
,
ScottW wrote:

On Jan 31, 3:13 pm, Jenn wrote:
In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in
messagenews:kqc9o45gl82ulv8f4psmh1htn545fc85hl@4ax .com
Jenn said:

Do you mean the best orchestral recording overall,
or only IRT dynamic range?

[snip "debating trade" crapola]

This is what happens when you attempt to start a
discussion about audio with Arny.

Yes it is. And it's always the same.

Will you excuse Turdborg from continuing his
explorations of "facts" and "science" because he has
to go prostrate himself before his imaginary "God"?
TIA on behalf of lying sacks of **** everywhere.

[Note to the Krooborg: Irony is, and always has been,
beyond your grasp.]

Who is "Jeen"?

So he is "praising" me because he agreed to the
obvious. OK.

He's praising you because you continue to spiral down
the Arnyitis drain.

I'm finished responding to him.

Actions speak more loudly than words.

GOIA won't be happy until he drives off another poster. GOIA has
ruined RAO and he's quite proud of it.

I'll hang out and see what happens. There are good posters here, and
they make real conversation possible. But I won't respond to AK, no
matter how hard he trolls.

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article
,
ScottW wrote:

On Feb 1, 1:51*pm, Jenn wrote:
In article
,





*ScottW wrote:
On Jan 31, 3:13*pm, Jenn wrote:
In article ,
*"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in
messagenews:kqc9o45gl82ulv8f4psmh1htn545fc85hl@4ax .com
Jenn said:

Do you mean the best orchestral recording overall, or
only IRT dynamic range?

[snip "debating trade" crapola]

This is what happens when you attempt to start a
discussion about audio with Arny.

Yes it is. And it's always the same.

Will you excuse Turdborg from continuing his explorations
of "facts" and "science" because he has to go prostrate
himself before his imaginary "God"? TIA on behalf of
lying sacks of **** everywhere.

[Note to the Krooborg: Irony is, and always has been,
beyond your grasp.]

Who is "Jeen"?

So he is "praising" me because he agreed to the obvious. *OK.

He's praising you because you continue to spiral down
the Arnyitis drain.

I'm finished responding to him.

I'm not sure who will suffer more.
George or Arny.





Seriously, if you want to have "an audio" converstation with
Arny, you better grow a thicker skin.
You might also avoid the stupid questions are at least endure
the snotty answer and push forward.
If you really care why Arny thinks those are the "very best
orchestral recordings" you're going to need more stamina
than you've shown to find out.

Middiot doesn't care about the recordings at all.
*He just wants to splash around
in the turdbowl. The more the merrier for him.
Why do you think he keeps trolling you as Mistress Jenn?

The difference between you and me: *I don't care.

Yet you cared about Arny till now.

I cared about hoping Arny would look honestly in the mirror. I now see
that the issue is larger than that for him, and I don't want to be party
to what may happen in the future.

Hmmm. Leads one to believe the George was lower
on the food chain until recently.
I wonder if he knew?

I don't know what you mean, but, whatever.

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article
,
ScottW wrote:

On Feb 1, 2:06*pm, Jenn wrote:
In article
,
*"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:





On Feb 1, 3:54*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Jenn" wrote in message



In article
,
ScottW wrote:

On Jan 31, 3:13 pm, Jenn wrote:
In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in
messagenews:kqc9o45gl82ulv8f4psmh1htn545fc85hl@4ax .com
Jenn said:

Do you mean the best orchestral recording overall,
or only IRT dynamic range?

[snip "debating trade" crapola]

This is what happens when you attempt to start a
discussion about audio with Arny.

Yes it is. And it's always the same.

Will you excuse Turdborg from continuing his
explorations of "facts" and "science" because he has
to go prostrate himself before his imaginary "God"?
TIA on behalf of lying sacks of **** everywhere.

[Note to the Krooborg: Irony is, and always has been,
beyond your grasp.]

Who is "Jeen"?

So he is "praising" me because he agreed to the
obvious. OK.

He's praising you because you continue to spiral down
the Arnyitis drain.

I'm finished responding to him.

Actions speak more loudly than words.

GOIA won't be happy until he drives off another poster. GOIA has
ruined RAO and he's quite proud of it.

I'll hang out and see what happens. *There are good posters here, and
they make real conversation possible.

That would be people who tolerate diversity of opinion,
don't you think?

ScottW

Absolutely.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

But I won't respond to [the Krooborg], no matter how hard he trolls.

You realize, of course, that by disdaining Turdy, you're intensifying his
pain/pleasure response. I hope you're getting something out of your new
policy as well.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 1, 4:42*pm, ScottW wrote:
On Feb 1, 2:06*pm, Jenn wrote:
*"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote:

GOIA won't be happy until he drives off another poster. GOIA has
ruined RAO and he's quite proud of it.

I'll hang out and see what happens. *There are good posters here, and
they make real conversation possible.

*That would be people who tolerate diversity of opinion,
don't you think?

It probably also includes people who can communicate. You're out. LoL.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

I'll hang out and see what happens. *There are good posters here, and
they make real conversation possible.

*That would be people who tolerate diversity of opinion,
don't you think?

It probably also includes people who can communicate. You're out. LoL.

Has anybody tried yelling "SHUT THE $(*% UP!!" at Scottie? It might work.

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article
,
ScottW wrote:

On Feb 1, 2:43*pm, Jenn wrote:
In article
,





*ScottW wrote:
On Feb 1, 1:51*pm, Jenn wrote:
In article
,

*ScottW wrote:
On Jan 31, 3:13*pm, Jenn wrote:
In article ,
*"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in
messagenews:kqc9o45gl82ulv8f4psmh1htn545fc85hl@4ax .com
Jenn said:

Do you mean the best orchestral recording overall, or
only IRT dynamic range?

[snip "debating trade" crapola]

This is what happens when you attempt to start a
discussion about audio with Arny.

Yes it is. And it's always the same.

Will you excuse Turdborg from continuing his explorations
of "facts" and "science" because he has to go prostrate
himself before his imaginary "God"? TIA on behalf of
lying sacks of **** everywhere.

[Note to the Krooborg: Irony is, and always has been,
beyond your grasp.]

Who is "Jeen"?

So he is "praising" me because he agreed to the obvious. *OK.

He's praising you because you continue to spiral down
the Arnyitis drain.

I'm finished responding to him.

I'm not sure who will suffer more.
George or Arny.

Seriously, if you want to have "an audio" converstation with
Arny, you better grow a thicker skin.
You might also avoid the stupid questions are at least endure
the snotty answer and push forward.
If you really care why Arny thinks those are the "very best
orchestral recordings" you're going to need more stamina
than you've shown to find out.

Middiot doesn't care about the recordings at all.
*He just wants to splash around
in the turdbowl. The more the merrier for him.
Why do you think he keeps trolling you as Mistress Jenn?

The difference between you and me: *I don't care.

*Yet you cared about Arny till now.

I cared about hoping Arny would look honestly in the mirror. *I now see
that the issue is larger than that for him, and I don't want to be party
to what may happen in the future.

You're confused. The issue is smaller than that.
It's the issue that RAO and the few remnant regulars
are insignificant to him.

I disagree. I think that the RAO folks are too important to him.


Hmmm. *Leads one to believe the George was lower
on the food chain until recently.
I wonder if he knew?

I don't know what you mean, but, whatever.

Sure you don't.

Correct. I don't.

LoL. I don't why you fear the
Middiot so much. He's as harmless as Arny
and equally, if not more, repugnant.

I don't fear George at all. WTH are you talking about?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 1, 4:36*pm, ScottW wrote:
On Feb 1, 1:35*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"





wrote:
On Feb 1, 1:32*pm, ScottW wrote:

On Feb 1, 11:13*am, Clyde Slick wrote:
He is always welcome to state it in simple English.
there is no reason we have to administer his enema
to get an answer.

*LoL. *No reason? *Not if you don't want an answer on
topic. *In this regard he is little different than Middiot or
shhtard where BS parsing is always required.

Um, it's called a "language", 2pid, and just because you don't know
how to use it is no reason to get upset...again. LoL.

What do you want to know about, 2pid? Ask away and if I feel like
answering I will.

*BS noted, again.

This is like Jeopardy, 2pid. You should ask questions in the form of a
question. LoL.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 1, 5:00*pm, George M. Middius wrote:
Shhhh! said:

I'll hang out and see what happens. *There are good posters here, and
they make real conversation possible.

*That would be people who tolerate diversity of opinion,
don't you think?

It probably also includes people who can communicate. You're out. LoL.

Has anybody tried yelling "SHUT THE $(*% UP!!" at Scottie? It might work.

What poor, dim 2pid cannot comprehend is that when his stupid
'differing POVs' are destroyed point by point it is not a sign of
"intolerance". It is simply destroying a stupid 'differing POV' point
by point.

It sure does seem to upset him though.

[Herbert Hoover[_2_]]

On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:18:14 -0800, Jenn wrote:

In article ,
"Harry Lavo" wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Jenn" wrote in message

In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:


The very best orchestral recording I've been able to find has about
82 dB
dynamic range. Playing it on a player with 92 dB dynamic range only
hurts
the effective dynamic range by a fraction of a dB. And its all
moot,
because if you play the recording at sensible volume levels the
ambient
noise in just about any residential listening room will mask it all.

This is what Jenn, in a fit of Middiocy grotesquely redacted the above
paragraph into:

The very best orchestral recording I've been able to find

(note that in her rush to deceit driven by anger, Jenn does not show that
she edited my post in any way. Academic honesty requires that she add
least an ellipses to show where she cut the text.) Any good teacher who
read the entire paragraph she mangled would ream her strongly for her
horrifically bad editing.)


Oh this is rich. From the man who routinely snips entire sections of posts
when what they contain annoy or refute him....all withou reference of a
"snip" to indicate that it is missing, much less "why" it was snipped.
This is one of Arny's routine practices on this forum and on others....and
he has been called out for it by others beside myself.

I'm trying to discern how he believes I was trying to pull any kind of
fast one on him.

He doesn''t believe that for a second. When cornered, he simply makes
things up. Soon we're all arguing about his lies rather than going
back to the point that he had been wrong all the time.

Herbert

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
ScottW wrote:

You certainly avoid objecting to him while he constantly
trolls away casting you as Arny's dominatrix among
other things.
Seems rather odd to tolerate that while
stamping your feet over Arny's nonsense.

"That's a joke... I say, that's a joke, son."

Stephen