[Arny Krueger]

http://www.provide.net:80/~djcarlst/20090117.htm

[TT]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
http://www.provide.net:80/~djcarlst/20090117.htm

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA........................... .......

You showed movies on HD-DVD! Quote "But the late night crowd chose The
Bourne Identity and The Bourne Supremacy on HD-DVD" there's over 3 hours of
movies just there!

So let me see if I get this right? You invite people around to talk about
recording techniques and show them movies instead? Talk about capturing a
crowd's imagination!

TT

[Clyde Slick]

On 19 Ian, 16:03, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
http://www.provide.net:80/~djcarlst/20090117.htm

everyone isn wearng a sweater or coat.
Arny is too cheap to turn up the heat.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 19, 3:59*pm, "TT" wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

...http://www.provide.net:80/~djcarlst/20090117.htm

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA........................... .......

You showed movies on HD-DVD! *Quote "But the late night crowd chose The
Bourne Identity and The Bourne Supremacy on HD-DVD" there's over 3 hours of
movies just there!

So let me see if I get this right? *You invite people around to talk about
recording techniques and show them movies instead? *Talk about capturing a
crowd's imagination!

One line about GOIA's talk (noting that not even one "high point" of
this talk is listed), a full paragraph about the movies shown.

I'd imagine this mirrored the interest level. LOL!

(I'll bet 50 cents that this goes on GOIA's CV as 'proof' that he's a
"professional recordist".)

[TT]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in message
...
On Jan 19, 3:59 pm, "TT"
wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

...http://www.provide.net:80/~djcarlst/20090117.htm

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA........................... .......

You showed movies on HD-DVD! Quote "But the late night
crowd chose The
Bourne Identity and The Bourne Supremacy on HD-DVD"
there's over 3 hours of
movies just there!

So let me see if I get this right? You invite people
around to talk about
recording techniques and show them movies instead? Talk
about capturing a
crowd's imagination!

One line about GOIA's talk (noting that not even one "high
point" of
this talk is listed), a full paragraph about the movies
shown.

I'd imagine this mirrored the interest level. LOL!

(I'll bet 50 cents that this goes on GOIA's CV as 'proof'
that he's a
"professional recordist".)


I'll bet after he charged for the popcorn he is now a
"Professional caterer" as well ;-) And function organiser
specialising in AV events!!!!!

BTW I hope Marc, Jen, JA, Iain and George didn't injure
themselves when they read the post? My sides are still
hurting from the laugh I had :-))

Cheers TT

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

TT said:

BTW I hope Marc, Jen, JA, Iain and George didn't injure
themselves when they read the post? My sides are still
hurting from the laugh I had :-))

The picture in the top right column should be captioned "Goose Puke's
Leading Gear Slut".

[Boon]

On Jan 19, 3:16�pm, "TT" wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in ...
On Jan 19, 3:59 pm, "TT"
wrote:





"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

...http://www.provide..net:80/~djcarlst/20090117.htm

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA........................... .......

You showed movies on HD-DVD! Quote "But the late night
crowd chose The
Bourne Identity and The Bourne Supremacy on HD-DVD"
there's over 3 hours of
movies just there!

So let me see if I get this right? You invite people
around to talk about
recording techniques and show them movies instead? Talk
about capturing a
crowd's imagination!

One line about GOIA's talk (noting that not even one "high
point" of
this talk is listed), a full paragraph about the movies
shown.

I'd imagine this mirrored the interest level. LOL!

(I'll bet 50 cents that this goes on GOIA's CV as 'proof'
that he's a
"professional recordist".)

I'll bet after he charged for the popcorn he is now a
"Professional caterer" as well ;-) �And function organiser
specialising in AV events!!!!!

BTW I hope Marc, Jen, JA, Iain and George didn't injure
themselves when they read the post? �My sides are still
hurting from the laugh I had :-))

I just noticed that it looks like Arny's been packing on the pounds.

Boon

[John Atkinson[_2_]]

On Jan 19, 5:48 pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Jan 19, 3:59 pm, "TT" wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

...
http://www.provide.net:80/~djcarlst/20090117.htm
snip
So let me see if I get this right? You invite people around to
talk about recording techniques and show them movies instead?
snip
One line about GOIA's talk (noting that not even one "high point" of
this talk is listed), a full paragraph about the movies shown.
snip
(I'll bet 50 cents that this goes on GOIA's CV as 'proof' that he's a
"professional recordist".)

To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in another
thread that as his recording activities are unpaid and that as
those activities are a byproduct of his volunteer work
providing F0H services to his church, he is not a
"professional" recording engineer but a hobbiest.

Though this admission comes after literally years of
his claims to be a "professional" on Usenet we should
give credit where credit is due, I believe.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Arny Krueger]

"John Atkinson" wrote in
message


To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in another
thread that as his recording activities are unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let a little thing like truth
or relevant facts get in your way?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 19, 6:37*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in


To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in another
thread that as his recording activities are unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let a little thing like truth
or relevant facts get in your way?

So go ahead and say it, GOIA: are you a paid recording professional or
not?

[Boon]

On Jan 19, 4:55�pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Jan 19, 6:37�pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

"John Atkinson" wrote in


To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in another
thread that as his recording activities are unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let a little thing like truth
or relevant facts get in your way?

So go ahead and say it, GOIA: are you a paid recording professional or
not?

Asked and answered, dammit...Egg McMuffins are payment!!!

Boon

[Clyde Slick]

On 19 Ian, 19:55, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Jan 19, 6:37*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

"John Atkinson" wrote in


To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in another
thread that as his recording activities are unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let a little thing like truth
or relevant facts get in your way?

So go ahead and say it, GOIA: are you a paid recording professional or
not?

it depends upon who he is arguing with and in what thread he is
arguing.
Debating trade rules apply.

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in message

On Jan 19, 6:37 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in


To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in another
thread that as his recording activities are unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let a
little thing like truth or relevant facts get in your
way?

So go ahead and say it, GOIA: are you a paid recording
professional or not?

Yes, just not at church.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 19, 7:10*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in

On Jan 19, 6:37 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in


To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in another
thread that as his recording activities are unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let a
little thing like truth or relevant facts get in your
way?

So go ahead and say it, GOIA: are you a paid recording
professional or not?

Yes, just not at church.

Where do you do your recording? In a studio?

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in message

On Jan 19, 7:10 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in


On Jan 19, 6:37 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in


To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in
another thread that as his recording activities are
unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let a
little thing like truth or relevant facts get in your
way?

So go ahead and say it, GOIA: are you a paid recording
professional or not?

Yes, just not at church.

Where do you do your recording? In a studio?

Paid recordings at regional music festivals.

[Boon]

On Jan 19, 6:10�pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in





On Jan 19, 7:10 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in


On Jan 19, 6:37 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in


To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in
another thread that as his recording activities are
unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let a
little thing like truth or relevant facts get in your
way?

So go ahead and say it, GOIA: are you a paid recording
professional or not?

Yes, just not at church.

Where do you do your recording? In a studio?

Paid recordings at regional music festivals.

When? Where? Either provide specific links and URLs or admit you're
a liar.

Boon

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in message

On Jan 19, 7:10 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
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om

On Jan 19, 6:37 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in

.com

To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in
another thread that as his recording activities are
unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let a
little thing like truth or relevant facts get in your
way?

So go ahead and say it, GOIA: are you a paid recording
professional or not?

Yes, just not at church.

Where do you do your recording? In a studio?

Paid recordings at regional music festivals.

Arny, have you never made a recording of a soloist or ensemble in a
decent room, as a standard recording session, i.e. mic placement the way
you really want it, etc? If not, I hope that you get that opportunity
someday.

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" wrote in message

On Jan 19, 6:10?pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in






On Jan 19, 7:10 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in


On Jan 19, 6:37 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in


To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in
another thread that as his recording activities are
unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let a
little thing like truth or relevant facts get in your
way?

So go ahead and say it, my master and commander: are you a paid
recording
professional or not?

Yes, just not at church.

Where do you do your recording? In a studio?

Paid recordings at regional music festivals.

When?

For years and years.

Where?

In south eastern Michigan

Either provide specific links and URLs or admit you're a liar.

Umm, maybe Jenn can help you figure that out, Marc.

The links would do you no good since recordists are not credited.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in message

On Jan 19, 7:10 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in

om

On Jan 19, 6:37 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in

.com

To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in
another thread that as his recording activities are
unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let a
little thing like truth or relevant facts get in your
way?

So go ahead and say it, GOIA: are you a paid recording
professional or not?

Yes, just not at church.

Where do you do your recording? In a studio?

Paid recordings at regional music festivals.

Arny, have you never made a recording of a decent soloist or
ensemble in a decent room, as a standard recording
session, i.e. mic placement the way you really want it,
etc?

Not really.

If not, I hope that you get that opportunity someday.

Me too. Right now it looks like the only way that will happen is if I
provide substantial support for all steps of the process from bricks and
mortar, light and heat, acquisition and development of the artists, running
the technical parts of the performances, recording, mixing and mastering.

[Boon]

On Jan 19, 6:24�pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message







On Jan 19, 6:10?pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in


On Jan 19, 7:10 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in


On Jan 19, 6:37 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in


To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in
another thread that as his recording activities are
unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let a
little thing like truth or relevant facts get in your
way?

So go ahead and say it, my master and commander: are you a paid
recording
professional or not?

Yes, just not at church.

Where do you do your recording? In a studio?

Paid recordings at regional music festivals.
When?

For years and years.

�Where?

In south eastern Michigan

Either provide specific links and URLs or admit you're �a liar.

Umm, maybe Jenn can help you figure that out, Marc.

The links would do you no good since recordists are not credited.-

In other words, there's no proof that you ever had a professional
recording career and therefore you are a liar.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Boon" wrote in message

On Jan 19, 6:24?pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message







On Jan 19, 6:10?pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in


On Jan 19, 7:10 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in


On Jan 19, 6:37 pm, "Arny Krueger"

wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote
in


To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in
another thread that as his recording activities
are unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let
a little thing like truth or relevant facts get in
your way?

So go ahead and say it, my master and commander:
are you a paid recording
professional or not?

Yes, just not at church.

Where do you do your recording? In a studio?

Paid recordings at regional music festivals.
When?

For years and years.

?Where?

In south eastern Michigan

Either provide specific links and URLs or admit you're
?a liar.

Umm, maybe Jenn can help you figure that out, Marc.

The links would do you no good since recordists are not
credited.-

In other words, there's no proof that you ever had a
professional
recording career and therefore you are a liar.

In a few weeks I'll be crying about that all the way to the bank, Marc.

[Boon]

On Jan 19, 6:32�pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message







On Jan 19, 6:24?pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message



On Jan 19, 6:10?pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in


On Jan 19, 7:10 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in


On Jan 19, 6:37 pm, "Arny Krueger"

wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote
in


To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in
another thread that as his recording activities
are unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let
a little thing like truth or relevant facts get in
your way?

So go ahead and say it, my master and commander:
are you a paid recording
professional or not?

Yes, just not at church.

Where do you do your recording? In a studio?

Paid recordings at regional music festivals.
When?

For years and years.

?Where?

In south eastern Michigan

Either provide specific links and URLs or admit you're
?a liar.

Umm, maybe Jenn can help you figure that out, Marc.

The links would do you no good since recordists are not
credited.-

In other words, there's no proof that you ever had a
professional
recording career and therefore you are a liar.

In a few weeks I'll be crying about that all the way to the bank, Marc.-

When you pull your last $25 out of the ATM to buy this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Fisher-Price-Tuf...3A1%7C294%3A50

Boon

[Clyde Slick]

On 19 Ian, 21:10, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in





On Jan 19, 7:10 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in


On Jan 19, 6:37 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in


To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in
another thread that as his recording activities are
unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let a
little thing like truth or relevant facts get in your
way?

So go ahead and say it, GOIA: are you a paid recording
professional or not?

Yes, just not at church.

Where do you do your recording? In a studio?

Paid recordings at regional music festivals.-

Do you just do the recording, or do you
set up and control the complete soundsystem.
Looks like you are just plugging
into a board set up by someone else running
sound at the music festival.
Any idiot, even you, could
plug a few wiires into aboard..

[Clyde Slick]

On 19 Ian, 21:32, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message







On Jan 19, 6:24?pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Boon" wrote in message



On Jan 19, 6:10?pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in


On Jan 19, 7:10 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in


On Jan 19, 6:37 pm, "Arny Krueger"

wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote
in


To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in
another thread that as his recording activities
are unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let
a little thing like truth or relevant facts get in
your way?

So go ahead and say it, my master and commander:
are you a paid recording
professional or not?

Yes, just not at church.

Where do you do your recording? In a studio?

Paid recordings at regional music festivals.
When?

For years and years.

?Where?

In south eastern Michigan

Either provide specific links and URLs or admit you're
?a liar.

Umm, maybe Jenn can help you figure that out, Marc.

The links would do you no good since recordists are not
credited.-

In other words, there's no proof that you ever had a
professional
recording career and therefore you are a liar.

In a few weeks I'll be crying about that all the way to the bank, Marc.- Ascunde citatul -

- Afiºare text în citat -

they don't take **** stained checks.

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in message

On Jan 19, 7:10 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in

.c
om

On Jan 19, 6:37 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in

ps
.com

To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in
another thread that as his recording activities are
unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let a
little thing like truth or relevant facts get in your
way?

So go ahead and say it, GOIA: are you a paid recording
professional or not?

Yes, just not at church.

Where do you do your recording? In a studio?

Paid recordings at regional music festivals.

Arny, have you never made a recording of a decent soloist or
ensemble in a decent room, as a standard recording
session, i.e. mic placement the way you really want it,
etc?

Not really.

A shame.


If not, I hope that you get that opportunity someday.

Me too. Right now it looks like the only way that will happen is if I
provide substantial support for all steps of the process from bricks and
mortar, light and heat, acquisition and development of the artists, running
the technical parts of the performances, recording, mixing and mastering.

I hope that you'll take these suggestions in the spirit with which they
are offered:

If it were me, I'd do the following: Put up flyers at Wayne State and
at WCCC music departments. On the flyer, state that you are a RE,
wanting to practice. You'll record them for (fill in very inexpensive $
amount, or free), if they will reserve the space at the college. Send a
letter to each member of the Applied Music (private lesson) faculty,
making the offer. Tell them that their students (or they themselves)
get a free finished recording; all the teacher has to do is reserve the
hall TWICE: once for rehearsal, once for the recording. It need not be
a performance. The student and/or the Applied faculty should jump at
the chance, especially for students who have their final undergrad or
grad recital coming up. It doesn't matter if there is a recording
program at the college; for an arrangement like this, they would charge
for the recording. If you don't, they will use you. You can get
practice, a good recording, and you will be helping a student. It costs
you nothing but your time.

[TT]

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article
,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote in message

On Jan 19, 7:10 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in

.c
om

On Jan 19, 6:37 pm, "Arny Krueger"

wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote
in

ps
.com

To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in
another thread that as his recording activities
are
unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let
a
little thing like truth or relevant facts get in
your
way?

So go ahead and say it, GOIA: are you a paid
recording
professional or not?

Yes, just not at church.

Where do you do your recording? In a studio?

Paid recordings at regional music festivals.

Arny, have you never made a recording of a decent
soloist or
ensemble in a decent room, as a standard recording
session, i.e. mic placement the way you really want it,
etc?

Not really.

A shame.


If not, I hope that you get that opportunity someday.

Me too. Right now it looks like the only way that will
happen is if I
provide substantial support for all steps of the process
from bricks and
mortar, light and heat, acquisition and development of
the artists, running
the technical parts of the performances, recording,
mixing and mastering.

I hope that you'll take these suggestions in the spirit
with which they
are offered:

If it were me, I'd do the following: Put up flyers at
Wayne State and
at WCCC music departments. On the flyer, state that you
are a RE,
wanting to practice. You'll record them for (fill in very
inexpensive $
amount, or free), if they will reserve the space at the
college. Send a
letter to each member of the Applied Music (private
lesson) faculty,
making the offer. Tell them that their students (or they
themselves)
get a free finished recording; all the teacher has to do
is reserve the
hall TWICE: once for rehearsal, once for the recording.
It need not be
a performance. The student and/or the Applied faculty
should jump at
the chance, especially for students who have their final
undergrad or
grad recital coming up. It doesn't matter if there is a
recording
program at the college; for an arrangement like this, they
would charge
for the recording. If you don't, they will use you. You
can get
practice, a good recording, and you will be helping a
student. It costs
you nothing but your time.

I'll give odds of 100:1 that Arny will dismiss this very
good and honest suggestion and ridicule you for it. Let's
wait and see?

If he does take the suggestion then at least the kids will
get to see the Bourne movies again ;-)

Cheers TT

[Clyde Slick]

On 19 Ian, 23:23, Jenn wrote:
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"Jenn" wrote in message

In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in message

On Jan 19, 7:10 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
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.c
om

On Jan 19, 6:37 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in

ps
.com

To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in
another thread that as his recording activities are
unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let a
little thing like truth or relevant facts get in your
way?

So go ahead and say it, GOIA: are you a paid recording
professional or not?

Yes, just not at church.

Where do you do your recording? In a studio?

Paid recordings at regional music festivals.

Arny, have you never made a recording of a decent soloist or
ensemble in a decent room, as a standard recording
session, i.e. mic placement the way you really want it,
etc?

Not really.

A shame.



If not, I hope that you get that opportunity someday.

Me too. Right now it looks like the only way that will happen is if I
provide substantial support for all steps of the process from bricks and
mortar, light and heat, acquisition and development of the artists, running
the technical parts of the performances, *recording, mixing and mastering.

I hope that you'll take these suggestions in the spirit with which they
are offered:

If it were me, I'd do the following: *Put up flyers at Wayne State and
at WCCC music departments. *On the flyer, state that you are a RE,
wanting to practice. *You'll record them for (fill in very inexpensive $
amount, or free), if they will reserve the space at the college. *Send a
letter to each member of the Applied Music (private lesson) faculty,
making the offer. *Tell them that their students (or they themselves)
get a free finished recording; all the teacher has to do is reserve the
hall TWICE: once for rehearsal, once for the recording. *It need not be
a performance. *The student and/or the Applied faculty should jump at
the chance, especially for students who have their final undergrad or
grad recital coming up. *It doesn't matter if there is a recording
program at the college; for an arrangement like this, they would charge
for the recording. *If you don't, they will use you. *You can get
practice, a good recording, and you will be helping a student. *It costs
you nothing but your time.-

and you can get rights to post a copy for evaluation
on Usenet.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 19, 10:32*pm, "TT" wrote:
"Jenn" wrote in message

...





In article
,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote in message

On Jan 19, 7:10 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in

.c
om

On Jan 19, 6:37 pm, "Arny Krueger"

wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote
in

ps
.com

To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in
another thread that as his recording activities
are
unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let
a
little thing like truth or relevant facts get in
your
way?

So go ahead and say it, GOIA: are you a paid
recording
professional or not?

Yes, just not at church.

Where do you do your recording? In a studio?

Paid recordings at regional music festivals.

Arny, have you never made a recording of a decent
soloist or
ensemble in a decent room, as a standard recording
session, i.e. mic placement the way you really want it,
etc?

Not really.

A shame.

If not, I hope that you get that opportunity someday.

Me too. Right now it looks like the only way that will
happen is if I
provide substantial support for all steps of the process
from bricks and
mortar, light and heat, acquisition and development of
the artists, running
the technical parts of the performances, *recording,
mixing and mastering.

I hope that you'll take these suggestions in the spirit
with which they
are offered:

If it were me, I'd do the following: *Put up flyers at
Wayne State and
at WCCC music departments. *On the flyer, state that you
are a RE,
wanting to practice. *You'll record them for (fill in very
inexpensive $
amount, or free), if they will reserve the space at the
college. *Send a
letter to each member of the Applied Music (private
lesson) faculty,
making the offer. *Tell them that their students (or they
themselves)
get a free finished recording; all the teacher has to do
is reserve the
hall TWICE: once for rehearsal, once for the recording.
It need not be
a performance. *The student and/or the Applied faculty
should jump at
the chance, especially for students who have their final
undergrad or
grad recital coming up. *It doesn't matter if there is a
recording
program at the college; for an arrangement like this, they
would charge
for the recording. *If you don't, they will use you. *You
can get
practice, a good recording, and you will be helping a
student. *It costs
you nothing but your time.

I'll give odds of 100:1 that Arny will dismiss this very
good and honest suggestion and ridicule you for it. *Let's
wait and see?

If he does take the suggestion then at least the kids will
get to see the Bourne movies again ;-)

There is another possibility, of course.

It's possible that GOIA is not allowed with 100 feet of any school or
other institute of learning by court order and as a part of his parole
agreement. ;-)

[TT]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote in message
...
On Jan 19, 10:32 pm, "TT" wrote:
"Jenn" wrote in message

...





In article
,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote in message

On Jan 19, 7:10 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in

.c
om

On Jan 19, 6:37 pm, "Arny Krueger"

wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote
in

ps
.com

To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in
another thread that as his recording activities
are
unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let
a
little thing like truth or relevant facts get in
your
way?

So go ahead and say it, GOIA: are you a paid
recording
professional or not?

Yes, just not at church.

Where do you do your recording? In a studio?

Paid recordings at regional music festivals.

Arny, have you never made a recording of a decent
soloist or
ensemble in a decent room, as a standard recording
session, i.e. mic placement the way you really want it,
etc?

Not really.

A shame.

If not, I hope that you get that opportunity someday.

Me too. Right now it looks like the only way that will
happen is if I
provide substantial support for all steps of the process
from bricks and
mortar, light and heat, acquisition and development of
the artists, running
the technical parts of the performances, recording,
mixing and mastering.

I hope that you'll take these suggestions in the spirit
with which they
are offered:

If it were me, I'd do the following: Put up flyers at
Wayne State and
at WCCC music departments. On the flyer, state that you
are a RE,
wanting to practice. You'll record them for (fill in very
inexpensive $
amount, or free), if they will reserve the space at the
college. Send a
letter to each member of the Applied Music (private
lesson) faculty,
making the offer. Tell them that their students (or they
themselves)
get a free finished recording; all the teacher has to do
is reserve the
hall TWICE: once for rehearsal, once for the recording.
It need not be
a performance. The student and/or the Applied faculty
should jump at
the chance, especially for students who have their final
undergrad or
grad recital coming up. It doesn't matter if there is a
recording
program at the college; for an arrangement like this, they
would charge
for the recording. If you don't, they will use you. You
can get
practice, a good recording, and you will be helping a
student. It costs
you nothing but your time.

I'll give odds of 100:1 that Arny will dismiss this very
good and honest suggestion and ridicule you for it. Let's
wait and see?

If he does take the suggestion then at least the kids will
get to see the Bourne movies again ;-)

There is another possibility, of course.

It's possible that GOIA is not allowed with 100 feet of any school or
other institute of learning by court order and as a part of his parole
agreement. ;-)



Yes, of course, I had forgotten that ;-)

Cheers TT

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" wrote in message


If it were me, I'd do the following: Put up flyers at
Wayne State and at WCCC music departments. On the flyer,
state that you are a RE, wanting to practice. You'll
record them for (fill in very inexpensive $ amount, or
free), if they will reserve the space at the college.
Send a letter to each member of the Applied Music
(private lesson) faculty, making the offer. Tell them
that their students (or they themselves) get a free
finished recording; all the teacher has to do is reserve
the hall TWICE: once for rehearsal, once for the
recording. It need not be a performance. The student
and/or the Applied faculty should jump at the chance,
especially for students who have their final undergrad or
grad recital coming up. It doesn't matter if there is a
recording program at the college; for an arrangement like
this, they would charge for the recording. If you don't,
they will use you. You can get practice, a good
recording, and you will be helping a student. It costs
you nothing but your time.

My time is way too valuable to waste time trying to please a bunch of RAO
trolls with a recording to **** on.

The outcome of me providing a recording for RAO is virtually 100%
predictable, and negative.

BTW, I have far better contacts at Wayne than that.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 20, 6:04*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Jenn" wrote in message







If it were me, I'd do the following: *Put up flyers at
Wayne State and at WCCC music departments. *On the flyer,
state that you are a RE, wanting to practice. *You'll
record them for (fill in very inexpensive $ amount, or
free), if they will reserve the space at the college.
Send a letter to each member of the Applied Music
(private lesson) faculty, making the offer. *Tell them
that their students (or they themselves) get a free
finished recording; all the teacher has to do is reserve
the hall TWICE: once for rehearsal, once for the
recording. *It need not be a performance. *The student
and/or the Applied faculty should jump at the chance,
especially for students who have their final undergrad or
grad recital coming up. *It doesn't matter if there is a
recording program at the college; for an arrangement like
this, they would charge for the recording. *If you don't,
they will use you. *You can get practice, a good
recording, and you will be helping a student. *It costs
you nothing but your time.

My time is way too valuable to waste time trying to please a bunch of RAO
trolls with a recording to **** on.

I don't believe that was Jenn's point at all, GOIA. You mentioned
you'd like a chance to record to your standards but that you would
have to pay out-of-pocket for all these expenses. Jenn's suggestion
was a way to do it on the cheap.

For some reason she probably thought that might appeal to you. ;-)

The outcome of me providing a recording for RAO is virtually 100%
predictable, and negative.

Since you've already admitted that you don't know what you're doing
and that your recordings are crap, why do you act surprised? You've
already indicated that your own opinion of them is not very high.

BTW, I have far better contacts at Wayne than that.

Then use them and try to improve your recordings. Perhaps one day even
you will feel that they aren't crap.

[John Atkinson[_2_]]

On Jan 19, 7:37 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in

To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in another
thread that as his recording activities are unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let a little thing
like truth or relevant facts get in your way?

My apologies I was going by your own words, as in the
following posting to r.a.o.:

But in _your_ case, Mr. Krueger, you have claimed to
be a professional recording engineer,

Yes, but one working under certain priorities and constraints.
In this case I am again functioning as a volunteer....I'm
happy to call myself a live sound volunteer for a charitable
organization, and nothing more...
In my case the organizational priorities are clear. The
live show is far and away the most important. There is
only one reasonable choice - get the best possible live
sound regardless of the effect on the recordings. The
recordings are an after-thought
Secondly I believe that people divide professionals from
hobbyists in a given endeavor based on whether or not
they derive income from that endeavor.
Since I do no live sound work for money and never have,
I can't possibly characterize myself as a professional live
sound engineer.

Not professional recording engineer, putting to one side
your "in this case..." Given that your work recording the
church choir for which you also do the live sound was the
proof you offered on r.a.p. for you being a "professional,"
Mr. Krueger, it appears that you have indeed admitted
that you are not a professional engineer.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Arny Krueger]

"John Atkinson" wrote in
message


Not professional recording engineer, putting to one side
your "in this case..." Given that your work recording the
church choir for which you also do the live sound was the
proof you offered on r.a.p. for you being a
"professional,"

Curious. No doubt a questionable interpretation, such as the others we've
seen from you lately, John.

Mr. Krueger, it appears that you have
indeed admitted
that you are not a professional engineer.

I am not a professional engineer because those words have legal meaning in
the State of Michigan, which I would be a fool to pretend to be.

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message


If it were me, I'd do the following: Put up flyers at
Wayne State and at WCCC music departments. On the flyer,
state that you are a RE, wanting to practice. You'll
record them for (fill in very inexpensive $ amount, or
free), if they will reserve the space at the college.
Send a letter to each member of the Applied Music
(private lesson) faculty, making the offer. Tell them
that their students (or they themselves) get a free
finished recording; all the teacher has to do is reserve
the hall TWICE: once for rehearsal, once for the
recording. It need not be a performance. The student
and/or the Applied faculty should jump at the chance,
especially for students who have their final undergrad or
grad recital coming up. It doesn't matter if there is a
recording program at the college; for an arrangement like
this, they would charge for the recording. If you don't,
they will use you. You can get practice, a good
recording, and you will be helping a student. It costs
you nothing but your time.

My time is way too valuable to waste time trying to please a bunch of RAO
trolls with a recording to **** on.

That's not why I went to the trouble of making these suggestions. I
just think that it's sad that you haven't had the opportunity to make
the kind of recording that you wish to make. Whether or not you post
the result here is obviously up to you.


The outcome of me providing a recording for RAO is virtually 100%
predictable, and negative.

BTW, I have far better contacts at Wayne than that.

Fine. I hope that someday you get to make the recording that you wish
to make. It's obviously an important activity for you.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Jenn said:

Fine. I hope that someday you get to make the recording that you wish
to make. It's obviously an important activity for you.

Arnii wipes his ass with $1000 checks.

[John Atkinson[_2_]]

On Jan 20, 8:06*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in

[Nor] professional recording engineer, putting to one side
your "in this case..." Given that your work recording the
church choir for which you also do the live sound was the
proof you offered on r.a.p. for you being a "professional,"

Curious.

Not at all. My statement was based on your own words as posted
on r.a.p.

No doubt a questionable interpretation, such as the others we've
seen from you lately, John.

"We"?

*Mr. Krueger, it appears that you have indeed admitted that
you are not a professional engineer.

I am not a professional engineer...

Yet in another thread, you are claiming that my making the same
statement about your lack of status as a "professional" is incorrect.
Are there _2_ Arny Kruegers posting here, with opposed views? Is
that why Mr/ Krueger uses the first- person plural?

because those words have legal meaning in the State of
Michigan, which I would be a fool to pretend to be.

Yet the Google record is clear, Mr. Krueger, that until
other recording engineers like Iain Churches noticed and
complained, you were indeed "pretending" to be a
"professional" recording engineer. Thank you at long last
for owning up to the truth: that you are a hobbyist. And
as I have said, there is nothing wrong with that.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

John Atkinson said:

*Mr. Krueger, it appears that you have indeed admitted that
you are not a professional engineer.

I am not a professional engineer...

Yet in another thread, you are claiming that my making the same
statement about your lack of status as a "professional" is incorrect.
Are there _2_ Arny Kruegers posting here, with opposed views? Is
that why Mr/ Krueger uses the first- person plural?

It's time somebody reminded "us" who "won" the "debate" in NYC a few years
ago. Arnii, would you do the honors?

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

John Atkinson said:

... until other recording engineers like Iain Churches noticed
and complained, you were indeed "pretending" to be a
"professional" recording engineer. Thank you at long last
for owning up to the truth: that you are a hobbyist. And
as I have said, there is nothing wrong with that.

Of course there's nothing wrong with trying one's hand at making recordings.
However, according to the Kroo himself, there's quite a bit wrong with the
results. Hence the secrecy.

[Harry Lavo]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Jenn" wrote in message

In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in message

On Jan 19, 7:10 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote in

om

On Jan 19, 6:37 pm, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:
"John Atkinson" wrote in

.com

To his credit, Arny Krueger has now admitted in
another thread that as his recording activities are
unpaid

Didn't say that, John. But since when have you let a
little thing like truth or relevant facts get in your
way?

So go ahead and say it, GOIA: are you a paid recording
professional or not?

Yes, just not at church.

Where do you do your recording? In a studio?

Paid recordings at regional music festivals.

Arny, have you never made a recording of a decent soloist or
ensemble in a decent room, as a standard recording
session, i.e. mic placement the way you really want it,
etc?

Not really.

If not, I hope that you get that opportunity someday.

Me too. Right now it looks like the only way that will happen is if I
provide substantial support for all steps of the process from bricks and
mortar, light and heat, acquisition and development of the artists,
running the technical parts of the performances, recording, mixing and
mastering.

Funny, most professional musicians early in their careers are happy to have
somebody with some experience and decent equipment record them. And they
can usually find a decent sounding place.

Perhaps you need to temper your "snark" and start making nice to some
quality musicians.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article
, "Arny
Krueger" wrote:

Fine. I hope that someday you get to make the recording
that you wish to make. It's obviously an important
activity for you.

Actually, the trip is worth at least as much to me as the destination. If I
finish the journey, look at all the organization and infrastructure there
will be. It will likely outlive my involvement.