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Nousaine wrote:

Oh it's easy to show that cabling can make a difference. I disconnected my
speaker leads the other day and there was quite a large drop in level.

OTOH no wire-sound proponent has ever shown in a replicable experiment that
any
human subject has shown an ability to distinguish cables of nominally
competent
capability for the job at hand in a modern audio system by sound alone.

I've seen a demo where 100 feet of 30 gauge wire-wrap wire made a noticable
change in volume but I don't consider that to be nominally competent wire
for
the job of connecting loudspeakers.

OK. Point 1. You DO admit that cable DOES effect sound quality.

I've seen it do that in a case that was well outside normal and competent
conditions. So?

Point 2. You have personally seen an experiment where you personally
witnessed (though admittedly not double blind) where nominally
INcompetent wire made an easily detecable difference in sound.

Sure and disconnecting speaker cables does too. So?

It's simply not my style to buy the proposition that some cable, somewhere
affects sound quality until some one produces the evidence that it does.
And,
no, anecdotes aren't good enough.

Point 3. you now jump to a wild assertion that if the differences
between two cables are small enough to NOT be readily detectable
by ear, THEN said differences CANNOT EXIST!

No one has ever said that differences well below the threshold of audibility
cannot exist. Measure 2 samples of the same amp or cable and you'll be able to
find microscopic electrical differences BUT not audible differences.

The point that differences between reasonably competent wires
may be tiny and very difficult or even impossible to detect is
the valid one. The point that undetectable difference don't exist
at all is the bogus one.

No one has said otherwise. But why do you care? If any difference is
un-detectable by human ears than it is NOT changing sound quality.

Clearly wire parameters effect sound.
You admit that with your own "anecdote"!

Things like wire impedance do not create "quantum" effects. In other
words large differences in impedance can create large differences
in sound, small differences create smaller differences in sound.

Any sound that is below the threshold of human hearing is NOT a difference in
Soiund.

The question of whether or not "monster" wires are worth the money
is quite a different one from whether or not wires are producing
differences in sound. Clearly they are!

If humans cannot hear them they are not producing changes in sound.

Whether or not those
differences are large enough to be detected or important enough
to justify more money being spent is an economic question related
to the actual degree of sonic changes from the wires.

OK; but your question is moot IF any differences are below the threshold of
hearing.

But to
say the there cannot be sonic changes *at some level* from the wires
defies reason.

No; to say that microscopic electrical differences that produce acoustical
signals that sound identical to humans are "sonic changes" defies reason.

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